*blocks your development*

>>2544529
What was there to be developed?

>>2544529
>Mongols
>Conquering India

We wuz India n'shit!

why does everyone forget about the mongol conquest of vietnam

*monsoons*

>>2545241

Because it was about as successful as the Java expedition.

why do people say shit like
"oh finnish people are mongolian haha xd"
i ask why, they say
"oh because they were conquered by the mongol empire way back in the fuckin 1200s"
i don't get it
there's no evidence that the mongols ever invaded finland
and even if they did, it wouldn't have just auto-magically turned the millions of indigenous finno-ugric folk into altaic mongols

it's so fuckin stupid to me, dude
it'd be like saying
"oh literally all ghanaians are actually arabs, because of that one islamo-berber caliphate state centuries and centuries and centuries ago that invaded down into west africa for a short period of time"

it's so fuckin dumb
it's such a vacuous argument

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>>2545286

>>2545338
haha yeaaaah duude great facebook meme

brb gon repost to reddit for epic upkarma

>>2544529
I think China did fine, didn't they?

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>>2545286
Finland was never part of the Mongol Empire

The mongol meme comes from the fact that their language family (Uralic) and haplogroups are mostly Asian

>>2545286
Are you autistic or Fin-
My aapologies

>>2545286
They were conquered by ancient Mongols: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seima-Turbino_phenomenon

>Seima-Turbino phenomenon refers to a pattern of burial sites dating around 1500 BC found across northern Eurasia, from Finland to Mongolia, which has suggested a common point of cultural origin, advanced metal working technology, and unexplained rapid migration

>>2544529
Where's the Caspian Sea?

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>>2544529
You're a big empire

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>>2544548
>>2544555
Knock knock, street shitters.

>>2545401
Timur was a Turk, not a Mongol

>>2545360
glorified lake

>>2545411
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timurid_dynasty

>The origin of the Timurid dynasty goes back to the Mongol tribe known as Barlas, who were remnants of the original Mongol army of Genghis Khan

>>2545411
Mongol horde consisted largely of turkics you dip

>>2545343
Absolutely not, their population more than halved

>>2545401
>>2545414
Not part of Temujin's empire.

Besides, it was the Mughals who conquered India

Timur was still based though

fun fact: Persia had a population of around 20 million before the Mongols came. They would not reach that number again until the 1950s(population remained at around 4-7 million for most of the time I believe)

>>2545432
Mughal is literally indian slang for mongol.

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Come one guys, you're being too harsh on those poor Mongols.

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>>2545432
Timur conquered northern India. The Mughals finished the job.

>>2545446
He went much deeper than the pic but didn't consolidate the land

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>>2545286
>even if they did, it wouldn't have just auto-magically turned the millions of indigenous finno-ugric folk into altaic mongols
1 IN 200

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>>2545286

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>>2544529
Why do germanic people tend to have slented eyes? Is that because of mongol/hun/whatever steppe gook blood?

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>>2545357
>two-wheeled chariots

Anon, that wasn't Mongols. They weren't the only steppe culture to have ever existed you know.

>unexplained rapid migration

fucking idiots, as if horses don't go fast

>recent genetic testings of sites in south Siberia and Kazakhstan (Andronovo horizon) would rather support a spreading of the bronze technology via Indo-European migrations eastwards

there you go m8

>>2545636
>hun
>east asian

anon, the Huns are commonly thought to have come out of the Caspian steppe.

>>2544529
How genocidal were they

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>>2547345
>>2547349
The Yamnaya were packed with mongoloid genes. Europe was conquered by proto-Eliot Rodgers.

>>2545443

So?

How many people were called/called themselves "Romans"?

>>2545364
Khan?

based sal khan
descended of genghis khan
two hundred thousand thousand mongol haplo-genes

>>2548162
>ANE
>East Asian
Pick one

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>>2548373
ANE = Siberian mongoloid. What the hell do you think Caucasoids would be doing in that region? That's not a fitting environment for them. Saami are the closest to Yamnaya because they're also heavily mongoloid influenced.

>>2548162
>yamnaya

actually

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sintashta_culture

way closer to Corded Ware

Incidentally, what the fuck are those X and Y axis?

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>>2548391
>ANE = Siberian mongoloid.
t. retard

ANE and East Asians are descended from the Western and Eastern split respectively.
https://academic.oup.com/mbe/article/34/4/889/2838774/A-Working-Model-of-the-Deep-Relationships-of

>>2548391
>mongoloid = Mongols

even if you were right you'd still be a couple thousand years off

>not a fitting environment for them

KEK

I'm having trouble finding any evidence whatsoever for your claim of the Yamnaya being of predominantly mongoloid genetic stock, they seem to be dominated by haplogroup R1b.

>>2548162
>>2548391

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afanasevo_culture

>Because of its numerous traits attributed to the early Indo-Europeans, like metal-use, horses and wheeled vehicles, and cultural relations with Kurgan steppe cultures, the Afanasevans are believed to have been Indo-European-speaking.[7] According to Allentoft et al. (2015) and Haak et al. (2015) Afanasevo were genetically indistinguishable from Yamnaya people,[9][1] putative Proto-Indo-Europeans under the Kurgan hypothesis. Only three Afanasevo male samples have had their paternal lineage results published, and all three, like most Yamna males, belong to haplogroup R1b, with two of them belonging to subclade M269, the most numerous in modern Western Europe.

>Afanasevans have been connected to the Tocharian languages

oh boy, this rabbit hole just keeps going and going

you know, just because people are living in Siberia doesn't mean they have to be mongoloid. Racist.

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>>2548438
>>2548439
>>2548459
Reminder: Yamnaya are north of fucking Russians and Finns, who exhibit chinky phenotypes occasionally and are proven to be directly genetically influenced by Siberians, but keep being in denial. No Saami here, but I believe they would cluster right next to them.

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>>2548481

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>>2545343
>>2545426
What kinda Zhongyuan u want?

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>>2548499
Just Jurchen/Mongol that shit up.

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>>2548481
>Yamnaya are north of fucking Russians and Finns

Completely untrue you stupid weeb.

You think your irrelevant autism graphs impress me? What fucking world do you live in where Crimea is north of goddamn Finland?

>chinky phenotypes

You're finished. It's over.

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>north of Russia

how absolutely retarded do you have to be to actually believe this?

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WHEW LADS LOOK OUT

SIBERIANS COMING THROUGH

>>2548481
>Yamnaya are north of fucking Russians and Finns
What the fuck even is north of Finns, the fucking Arctic? Are you retarded?

>>2548538
>Siberia is in Ukraine now
Please kys

>>2548481
> but keep being in denial.
Sorry bud,you clearly have no idea what your infographics state or how ANE came to be.

There's a bifurcation of Eastern and Western non Africans where Eastern non Africans are further trifurcated into Australasians,Andaman Islanders and East Asians.

Western non Africans are trifurcated into an lineages separating Mal'ta 1(ANE),Kostenki 14 and Ust'Ishim.

According to the most recent paper,Mal'ta 1 derives 17.4% of its ancestry from a basal East Asian population while 73% comes from West Eurasians.

>>2548518
In the genetic plot I posted, you autist.

Get over it. Yamnaya were mixed with Siberians.

>>2548543
>73% comes from West Eurasians.
Meant to state 83%.

Furthermore,Yamna wasn't pure ANE.

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C
H
I
N
K
Y

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>>2548552
Didn't say they were, but they were mongrels like Finns and Russians.

>>2548559
>Didn't say they were, but they were mongrels like Finns and Russians.
ANE isn't what gives Finns and Russians their East Eurasian admixture.

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>>2548546

the genetic plot you posted showed proximity between Yamnaya and Afanasevo

you imply that because Afanasevo is located in Siberia, then they must be mongoloid. But you cannot substantiate this implication because it is non-factual.

In fact, the Afanasevo people were

>metal-use, horses and wheeled vehicles
>Proto-Indo-Europeans
>three Afanasevo male samples have had their paternal lineage results published, and all three, like most Yamna males, belong to haplogroup R1b, with two of them belonging to subclade M269, the most numerous in modern Western Europe

did you catch that? R1b.

you've been spooked by the idea that modern populations must represent all people who have ever inhabited a given area. Just because a particular group of people used to live in the area we now call Siberia, doesn't mean that they had to have looked like the people who live there now. Even simple appearance.

thread about mongolian empire inevitably degenerates into "haplogroup" and "phenotype" and "admixture" autism

fuck off you millennial homo cucks

>>2548578
That's because they are defined and modeled differently. In the end it's pretty much the same shit. Saami, Russians and Finns are the closest "Europeans" to the Yamnaya and all of them are significantly mongoloid influenced. I don't think that's a coincidence.

>>2545343
>China did fine

mongol lies

>>2548601

someone mentioned finland, and then some r/asianmasculinity autist thought it would be a good idea to say "Ancient Mongols used chariots to conquer Finland."

Because everyone who has ever lived in ASIA must have been a "mongoloid". And Mongoloids is equivalent to Mongol ofc.

>>2548541

d-did you get the j-joke anon

>>2548629
it was probably a falseflagging shitposter desu

>>2548648

idgaf desu m8 chariots are rad af

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>>2548629
Explain why Finns look like albino Asians and why they are inclined to mongoloid Siberians genetically then: >>2548486

>>2548608
You are confusing East Eurasian admixture in Saamis,Finns and Russians with ANE.

ANE is the non East Eurasian component who they share with their neighbors.

>>2548657
>why they are inclined to mongoloid Siberians
Finns got their East Eurasian from the Saami who most likely got it from a population on the ANE/East Asian cline(Nganasan).

>>2548657
shes very cute desu

>>2548657
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seima-Turbino_phenomenon

This happened, you just have it completely backwards. Here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestication_of_the_horse#Archaeological_evidence

Check those timeframes m8. You will note ofc.

>Sintashta

Unless I miss my guess, it was Indo-Europeans who btfo the Uralic peoples in Finland.

>conjectured that the same migrations spread the Uralic group of languages across Europe and Asia: some 39 languages of this group are still extant, including Hungarian, Finnish, Estonian and Sami.

>HOWEVER

>recent genetic testings of sites in south Siberia and Kazakhstan (Andronovo horizon) would rather support a spreading of the bronze technology via Indo-European migrations eastwards, as this technology was well known for quite a while in western regions.

hmmmmmmmmm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasian_Steppe

>>2548700
>Unless I miss my guess, it was Indo-Europeans who btfo the Uralic peoples in Finland.

Unlikely. Finns have little Indo-European Y haplogroups. Only 8.5% of their paternal ancestry can be traced to Indo-Europeans: http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

>>2545286
ay yo wer the finno-urgic wimmins at
*unsheathes bow*

he shares half a haplo-type with us

big dick mongol khan!

>>2548757

It's not like you find a great deal of Indo-European paternal DNA in Central Asia nowadays you know. I could easily be wrong in this, but I'm inclined to think this is the case.

But I'm inclined to agree that the impact of the nomads was relatively minimal, probably on account of their numbers in comparison to the natives and the fact that there was fuckall in Finland at the time.

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>>2548904
Depends on the kind of Central Asian. Tajiks and Afghans have quite a lot of R1a.

>>2548942

ofc

but that isn't that R1a bulge over Afghanistan cause of the Soviet resettlement programs?

>>2548960
How? Slavs don't have very much of that specific subclade of R1a. It's the Indo-Aryan haplogroup.

>>2548960
Afwanistan was never part of the USSR

>>2545364
>russia, iam the golden horde

ZOG

ZUNGAR, OIRAT, GOLDEN ORD

>>2548972

I should have said "north of" Afghanistan.

>>2545636

it's hanging skin

>>2544529
fuck these horse-niggers, they changed the demographics of central asia more in favour turks

>>2548499
>>2548506
Wew

Also
>randomly changing what a dot is worth

>>2545347

Americans don't know the difference between Mongoloid and Mongolian.

>>2548438
Doesnt say ANE

>>2552097
or because "Mongoloid" is a meme term invented in the 1800s by a bunch of Anglo kikes that knew nothing about how ethnicity actually works

>>2552014
They're from different sources.

"seed the planet"? uh, that sounds like some cuck'ld shit, dude.

>>2552098
>Doesnt say ANE
>and the ancient northern Eurasian Mal’ta 1 (MA1, a ∼24 kya Upper Paleolithic individual from south-central Siberia)
MA1 is representative of an ANE population.

"North1" is a basal ANE population.

>>2552482

and still used today by forensic anthropologists because it's a useful term when making descriptions of people from their remains, like skulls.

>>2554890
anthropology is a fuckin meme science dude, only done by gay pedophiles who want to LARP as some victorian slave-trader

"muh haplogroups"

pure autism

>>2548391
Fucking retard

>>2548162
The degree of spread from different Turkish are ridiculous.

>>2554255
Oh ok but the picture shows MA1 mixed with East eurasians.

>>2555016
Haplogroups aren't anthropology, they're genetics

>>2555016
This post made me lose brain cells reading it

>>2556221
Not him, but anthro is a fucking cancer. There's so much guesswork that goes into it that it really shouldn't be called science or history. It's quite literally "We don't actually know what this means or sometimes what it even is, but we're going to make shit up about it anyways."

>>2548128
they were fucking brutal as fuck

>mughals under aurangzeb
>remotely related to the mongols.

mongol khanate of tibet

>>2545445
What? Does this guy portray the Mongols as victims or something?

>>2557056
Yes

He's unironically a "MONGOLS DIDDIN DO ANYFING, THEMS WUZ GOOD BOIS" fag.

>>2557135
Sounds like a sensible guy.

>>2557056

No he never did. He talked about both the good and bad things that they did. And honestly, he emphasized the bad more than the good.

When it comes to talking about contemporary, historically minded famous people, /his is about as reliable as /pol.

>>2557888
Whatever you say Hank.

>>2557888
that guy is historical revisionist and you know it. he seriously said mongols were "tolerant" because they had people with different religons in the empire. I'm glad eastern europe defended against those hordes. But that is modern liberal history, defending brabarians against western civilization just because it had one religion.

>>2556194
They are modeling Kostenski 14(K14) as pure "West Eurasian".

Under their hypothetical model both MA1 and WHG(not shown) would derive part of their ancestry from a basal East Asian clade(can only be solved once we have Paleolithic East Asian DNA).

>>2545432
>>2545401
>>2545443
>>2545446
>>2545411
>Besides, it was the Mughals who conquered India
and who was the first Mughal Emperor related to?

>Being a patrilineal descendant of Timur, Babur considered himself a Timurid
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babur

>Contemporaries referred to the empire founded by Babur as the Timurid empire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mughal_Empire

>>2560621
Europeans are mixed with MA1 and MA1 is a mix of east and west eurasians.

>>2544529
Based Spurdos

>>2555016
>>2556236

sure, that's why forensic anthropology is useless for crime scene investigation. Oh wait that's literally the opposite of what happens in reality.

>he thinks there's no difference between physical, forensic, and cultural anthropology

cultural anthropology is the meme

>>2562830
see >>2548629
finland was never part of the mongol empire

fuck off

>>2562425
>MA1 is a mix of east and west eurasians.
Remember that these preliminary conclusions are all hypothetical without pertinent samples from East Asia.

Using their models WHG would be part basal East Asian.

Lazaridis has proposed all East Asians have West Eurasian admixture via basal ANE.

I like to say words like "haplogroup" and "phenotype" and "basal clade" and "admixture". It really activates my almonds.

>>2562894
Donsmaps.com/malta.html

MA1 is mongoloid

>>2562948
You are hopeless.

>>2562957
You are in denial of your mongol ancestry

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>>2562980

mongoloid =/= mongol you fucking autist

>>2562948

maybe greentext something relevant from this massive article, seems to be mostly dealing with archeology

closest relevant quote I can find is

>Results from a DNA study of a young boy's skeletal remains believed to be 24 000 years old could turn the archaeological world upside down – it's been proven that nearly 30 percent of modern Native American's ancestry came from this youngster's gene pool, suggesting First Americans came directly from Siberia, according to a research team that includes a Texas A&M University professor, Kelly Graf.
>he had close genetic ties to today's Native Americans and some western Eurasians, specifically some groups living in central Asia, South Asia, and Europe. Also, he shared close genetic ties with other Ice-Age western Eurasians living in European Russia, Czech Republic and even Germany.
> Another significant result of the study is that the Mal'ta boy's people were also ancestors of Native Americans, explaining why some early Native American skeletons such as Kennewick Man were interpreted to have some European traits.

>Eurasians
>Germany
>European traits

O BOY HERE WE GO

>>2563126
The term mongoloid just means having mongol characteristics. MA1 was mongoloid

>>2563135
>mongoloid just means having mongol characteristics

no, please learn what words mean before you use them.

>MA1 was mongoloid

you have yet to substantiate this, and the article on the Mal'ta you appear to have linked actually throws major shade on this position. Maybe you should reread it.

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>>2563149

>>2563239
>wikipedo

>>2563275
kys

>>2563239

so long as we're discussing archeological evidence, care to explain why the Mal'ta Buret culture had so many Venus figurines?

Those figurines are almost entirely a Paleolithic European phenomenon you know, and appear to predate the Mal'ta by several thousand years. I'll go ahead and link the wiki entry and another article.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mal%27ta%E2%80%93Buret%27_culture

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-25020958

>But the most puzzling part of this finding was that the boy showed no clear affinities with East Asian populations such as the Chinese, Koreans or Japanese. Today's Native Americans are most closely related to East Asians, so the scientists had to work out how the Mal'ta boy could be related to indigenous Americans, but not to East Asians. The most likely scenario, they argue, is that a population like the one living in Siberia 24,000 years ago mixed with the ancestors of East Asians at some point after the boy died.

>>2545439
Mongols were great at killing people

>>2545439
Fun fact: There are no verified sources accurately citing or proving academically what Persia's population was before or AFTER Mongol atrocities to its sedentary urban center.

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>>2563333
>wiki
>Mal'ta had a type of R* y-dna that diverged before the hg R1 and R2 split and an unresolved clade of haplogroup U mtdna.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R_(Y-DNA)

>Possible time of origin about 27000 BP

Well that fits the timeframe.

>Haplogroup P1 (P-M45), the immediate ancestor of Haplogroup R

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_P1_(Y-DNA)

Q and R wtf.

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>>2563442

look at North America.

>>2563442

>The only discovered case of basal R* (i.e. one that does not belong to R1 or R2) is the Mal'ta Boy.

wew lad

haplobump

>>2563398
there are no sources for anything

you don know nuffin
you don even know that you know nuffin

history is a big meme

>>2550232

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyRV4LmjaQc

Turks are the dominant lifeform on this planet.

>>2566336
turkish nationalism 101:
everyone is turks

mongols are turks
huns are turks
scythians are turks
avars are turks
slavs are turks
armenians are turks
persians are turks
greeks are turks
germans are turks
baltics are turks
finns are turks
native americans are turks
everyone is turks
all world history??? turks conquering turks
jai turklugu imparatoroglu islameglik beglerbeglig turk khan khanaioglu ceti turkaiuglu allah allah turk saldir saldir cevapi tuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurk