What would Jesus do?

>>2543815

Levitate the tram away

Same thing god does. Just wait and watch

get crucified

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What would an idealist do?

I know what I'd do: run over the one guy, put the train in reverse, switch the track and run over the group. This way maximum LULZ are had.

>>2543815
He would jump in front of the tram as a sacrifice so the five people who just got killed can go to heaven.

>>2543815
Nothing since he isn't the son of God, but a prophet

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>>2543864
Only one answer

>>2543892
Blasphemy.

>>2543892
t. Muhammad Al-Turkibidin

>>2543892
False.

Jesus is God.

Pull the lever.

You're only suppose to avoid pulling the lever if you're not dedicating your life to saving people.

>>2543922
Prove it

>implying big-J wouldn't just pull the lever and revive everyone afterward

>>2543878

epic win /b/ro

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>>2544082
That was easy.

>>2544104
The Bible is hogwash. It proves nothing.

>>2543815
morallity demands that you act but acting in anyway or not makes you a bad person and directly responsible for a death, the aim of this is to demonstrate the paradoxal nature of morallity and hoe it is contradictory and inneficient, morallity is simply a ball and chain that does not allow us to progress further as a race.

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>>2544112
Dumb troll.

turn the train into wine or some shit

>>2544133

Jesus was cool like that

>>2543830
/thread. But wouldn't he NOT want to use his powers, as shown by the rocks to bread thing?

>>2544091
this

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>>2543815

>>2544133
This is good

>>2543864
I like this one.

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>>2543815
Couldn't you crash the train by switching the direction inbetween the wheels?

>>2543834
Damn. Why did she get cancer?

>>2544133
Exactly what I was thinking.

Depends if this was pre-lazarus when he used up all his miracle points. If he was out of mp he would just claim it was gods will no matter the outcome

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

The greatest amount of good for the greatest number.

Save your absolutist morality. There is no paradox. Rerouting the train is entirely moral. If there is no way stop the train even with self sacrifice, and no way to free five people, let alone one person, then select the option that causes the least amount of suffering.

Jesus was a Buddhist, so he would have done correctly and selected the single death without a moments hesitation.

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>>2543815
Turn the cart to wine.

>>2544250
Would only lead to this.

>>2543864
This meme has been around for ages but I've never seen this edit. Damn this unironically makes me think.

>>2543864
That is hard.
I'd probably kill them all because I don't wanna waste my time in that shit.

I never really understood this problem.

Why would anyone choose the track with more people?
I know its utilitarian to say "kill the one guy then 5 will be alive and that makes more people happy" - but how is killing 5 people a better choice?

>>2543864
>Keep pulling lever until trolley runs out of energy to run
Done.

>>2543864
untie them in the time the trolly is still going around over the period of how ever long I need

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What about now?

>>2544503
100% chance I'd pull the lever.
4 lives are less worth than the scene I will just watch.

I think it's possible to pull the lever in such a way that the trolley jumps the rail

>>2544517
By the picture it seems the trolley would kill everyone if that happens

What if the man tied to the single rail is YOU - but you can still reach the lever.

>>2544528
Why would I kill myself to save 5 strangers?

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>>2544530
Because you are a person of principle. But looks like you bought into the mentality of the darkest timeline.

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>>2544552

>>2544552
Depends in the teleport technology. If its a quantum displacement no, if its an image projection simulacrum then yes.

This answer was pulled from my butt.

turn the other cheek

>>2544550
I'm a person of principles: I love myself.
lmao

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Will he?

>>2544605
Killing five other people to save yourself would require tremendous levels of self hatred.

>>2544622
He had his fingers crossed, I pull the lever.

>>2543922
Jesus is a false god. Stop worshipping a human.

>>2543892
This.

>>2544622
The universe BSODs

>>2544688
Read the bible you piece of shit

>>2544582
Underrated

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>>2543864
Newton's laws of motion, bitch.

>>2544697
>Read the bible
>The only thing that says the bible is correct is the bible

kys retard fajjit

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>>2544552
fucc

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N_RZJUAQY4

>>2544642
Explain.

>>2544743
Is there a Schrodinger's cat version?

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>>2544754
How would that even work? If you can explain it well enough I can draw it for you

He would go super sayian god super saiyan and smash that trolley just like you smashed that like button. Comment and subscribe!

>>2544622
he will not pull the lever

after Socrates phrase, not pulling the lever would result in as if there was never any probability in it being pulled in the first place, this is true because Socrates response invalidated the entire proposition.

>>2544743
the trolley is partly the same because the essence of the trolley-ness of the trolley has been continuous so the lever puller's action still has moral weight

>>2544734
The Bible is the word of God. Enjoy burning in hell.

>>2544486
Zeus supplies the trolley with infinite energy.

>>2544489
The winds of Poseidon prevent you from leaving the confines of the track.

Goddamn smartasses.

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The train was an illusion all along, this is actually a test of faith for the people tied to the track.

>>2544803
Pull both levers because there is no explicit consequence for the lever that does not divert the track.

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These threads sustain me.

>>2544762
A box contains the track with the trolley and one man tied to one path in the split. There is no lever. Rather, the lever-pulling man has to observe the contents of the box for the trolley to take one path or the other.

>>2544762
The trolley is heading towards a box. On an alternate track is a person. Inside the box were placed two people and a device that releases poison that will kill the people if the atom it is observing decays. The atom was placed inside one half-life ago. You cannot observe the contents of the box until the trolley hits. Is diverting the trolley to save the possible life of two worth it? Is not diverting the trolley not voluntary manslaughter as you could not know if there were two living men in the box?

>>2543815
I think Jesus would dive in front of the trolly to use his body as a means to derail it. Thus saving everyone else and allowing them to starve to death in agony while bound by ropes.

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>>2544822
Genius

>>2544485

Because it's the default position without any input from you, so your responsibility in the situation is ambiguous. But if you divert the tracks, you have actively put into motion an event that will kill someone.

Look at the alternative phrasing of it: if instead of a track with a lever, what if instead you were standing on a bridge with a fat dude, and by pushing him onto the tracks the trolley would stop thanks to his corpse being caught in the wheels, thus saving the 5 people. Do you push him?

The results of these two situations are the exact same, so why is it easier to dismiss one as being utilitarian whereas the other is basically murder?

>>2544230
He wouldnt use his powers to benefit himself

>>2544918
This is complete bullshit. The lever is there waiting to be used as a tool, the fat man is an innocent bystander. It isn't ambiguous at all - to refuse to provide the obviously mathematically superior input of saving the 5. Unless you're mentally deficient to the point of retardation, you certainly gain evil points for choosing inaction. The action of this thought experiment is already 'actioned', diverting the tracks doesn't start the momentum of the train, the matter and the velocity are already there, and you've an opportunity to change fate for the better, but people like you just stand around. DISGUST

>>2544815
o/

>>2544622
>>2544666
>>2544689
>>2544777
He pulls the lever, because saying something cunty like "You will pull the lever." is inherently a lie. YOU DON'T FUCKING KNOW

>>2546042
What if the people inside the trolley are also me

>>2544552
Teleporters are proof than souls exist , so it is still you.

Withouth that asumption you can't never be sure it is you who wake up each day.

>>2545481
The point is that if you use utilitarian logic then you should also push the fat man because it produces the "mathematically superior" result of saving the 5. Under this kind of logic, why is it suddenly evil to push the fat man? It's because you're using a different standard for the fat man scenario which contradicts the utilitarian position you've taken in the lever scenario. Morality isn't just pick-and-choose. If you are a utilitarian in the lever scenario then you should be utilitarian in pushing the fat man. You said it yourself - it is "mathematically superior" to save the 5.

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>>2546811

>>2545481

>The lever is there waiting to be used as a tool, the fat man is an innocent bystander

You're crossing into is-ought territory. Just because the lever can be used to divert the tracks, it does not necessarily follow that it should be used, at least in this scenario. Unless of course you fully accept utilitarian moral logic.

If you do accept this, then you must also accept that you are morally obligated to put into motion the action that will cause the least deaths, as you said. If this is true, then in BOTH scenarios, the morally correct action is to derail the trolley, whether by lever or pushing the fatty. This means that in the second scenario it is ALSO the fatty's moral obligation to derail the trolley, since morality, if it is objectively defined, applies to ALL people equally. You can't selectively apply it to people.

If you accept that the fatty is an innocent bystander in the second scenario and that it is immoral to involve him, you must also accept that you are an innocent bystander as well, so then your obligation to derail the trolley is nullified, since involving an innocent bystander is immoral, whether you volunteer yourself or if the fatty pushes YOU onto the tracks, since he is after all morally obligated to do so. If this is true, then you are ALSO an innocent bystander in the first scenario, in which case it does not logically follow that you must involve yourself, since involving an innocent bystander into this situation has been deemed immoral.

Your logic is self-contradictory. You can't pick and choose when to apply logic.

>>2544815
Multi-track drifting, so all the people in the trolley that actually want to wave back can gather on one side while not perturbing those who are antisocial stay on the other side.

>>2543892
Spotted the mudslime.

>>2545481

what if the single person is a brain surgeon and the other 5 are homeless alcoholics?

>>2543815
He would forgive the sins of the single man before allowing the train to run him down, saving the majority.

>>2544743
The question lies in whether what we perceive to be the trolley is the idea/concept of the trolley or the parts of the trolley.
If the former, it's the same.
If the latter, it's not.

>>2543864
One must imagine Sisyphus happy.

>>2546820
Nah. I just like to post Stirner.

>>2543864
I use the time to instead discuss matters of philosophy to lessen the impact of death until it has been lessened as much as possible. Maybe paint a big picture of the universe and how we all fit into it, or perhaps suggest they're part of a great cycle and this end is only another beginning. Once the circumstance has changed (The tied up people no longer fear death), I will be able to let the trolley continue.

>>2543864
Damn, this is actually a pretty difficult one.

>>2544552
N-NANIII????

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>>2543864

I try my hardest to comfort them. I try and get them to understand the concept of death. Help them accept the unknown.

>>2544782
I know you're probably a troll, but I really wish it wasn't possible that you weren't.