Chechen Wars

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looks like Russia engaging in nation-building

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>>2542260
>tfw Russians built up Grozny better than we built up Iraq

I feel like a second rate world power. Hold me anons.

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>>2542260
>>2542344
>grozny 1994

H O W

>ussr dissolves
>chechens want an independent country
>russians lose control over chechnya
>pootin comes and starts another war there
>chechens start doing terrorist acts in russia
>russians bomb everything without regards for civilian life
>pootin gives billions every year to chechnya to stop them from rebelling again

>>2542442
I heard that there were some memes circulating that the terrorist attacks might have been staged. Is there any support for this view? Or is it "9/11 was an inside job"-tier conspiracy BS?

>>2542344
is this drawn from scratch or does it trace an actual photograph

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>>2542480
Drawn from scratch, but pic related is the actual photograph. Still impressive, considering the hand of cards they were dealt.

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>>2542403
it was literally stalingrad

>>2542526
Did the tactic of carpet bombing everything work? If that was the First Chechen War, then what happened in the Second one?

>>2542584
It got bombed more.

>>2542603
Are they still getting uppity? Is Islamic terrorism an issue in Russia?

>>2542645
> are they still getting uppity?
yes, but in Ukraine and Syria
> is Islamic terrorism an issue in Russia?
google Beslan and Moscow Opera

>>2542473
The main journalists investigating the Moscow bombings and claiming the government was involved were killed, so there's that.

>>2542659

>Beslan was 13 years ago

Wow, that went quick...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G9uRtDJkl0

>>2542473

The apartment bombings were 100% staged. Pretty much every respected Russia expert agrees.

Local police caught FSB planting bombs in some apartments a month before. FSB claimed it was a test and the explosives were actually just sugar but later testing at the site showed that the trace explosives were military grade explosives, not homemade stuff.

A politician announced the second bombing (naming the city) 3 days before the bombing actually occurred in said city.

Basically anyone involved, any reporters or politicians who wanted an investigation ended up in jail or dead.

>>2542584
First Chechen war was right after the fall of the USSR, one of the main commanders was literally an incompetent traitor (Pavel Grachev) who launched the attack on Grozny while drunk on vodka and it ended in a complete disaster. He was also a corrupt cunt who mass stole army supplies and got rich by selling them to enemy countries and random terrorists.

The 2nd Chechen war which was under Putin was just Russian skullfucking whatever resistance the Chechens could muster.

>>2543546
Was there any support for an independent Chechnya in Russia by the end of the First Chechen War?

Is it seen by Russian media/public the same way that American media tends to view the Second Iraq War?

>>2542442
>pootin comes and starts another war there
>chechens start doing terrorist acts in russia

should be chronologically switched

>>2543992
after the first war, Chechnya had de facto independence already

>>2543992
Liberals and Jews sided with Chechens, that's one of the reasons they got so hated in Putin's Russia.

>>2542442
Why Chechens wanted an independent country in the first place? No one else in the Russian Federation did.

>>2544017
>>2544029
Why was Russia able to crush Chechnya in the Second War but not in the First? Was it just incompetent commanders in the first, or were there legitimate differences in strategic positions?

>>2544045
There isn't much hate for Chechens nowadays
>>2544057
After the fall of the USSR there were many nationalistic independence movements, some more successful than others. Even in Kazan, one of the richest areas in Russia had some independence movements to form Tatarstan.
>>2544074
Incompetent leaders, in the first war the strategy could be summed up by "run waves of troops into sniper/guerrilla infested mountains with no backup. In the second war Russia took advantage of it's strength over guerilla tactics (artillery artillery artillery and THEN move in troops)