When Jesus Christ comes back, how are atheists going to react?

nah we'd finally have evidence

>>2541718
and then you guys would get sent to hell

>>2541722
Why would we? We would just kill him again.

>>2541722
I'm pretty sure jebus didn't want people to be smug, and that he helped all

At that point atheists will already have taken the Mark of the Beast, they would not be human anymore.

The Antichrist (influenced through Satan) would gather the world to battle against God, only to get swiftly defeated.

>>2541722
Prodigal son much?
Lost sheep returning much?

Jesus is a false prophet of a false god. When Odin returns He will smite all you pansy Abrahams.

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>>2541773
this

>>2541711
what if he comes back as a woman, will you kill yourself?

>>2541818
Impossible because God is a man.

>>2541732
>helped all

Wasn't it only the believers, the oppressed, and the innocent/good? Not necessarily 'all'?

they are going to shit their pants and seek to wage war against Him.

atheists dont exist, scientific studies have shown that children are born with an innate knowledge of some sort of god/creator. theism is natural whereas atheism requires cognitive and mental gymnastics.

>>2541821
What if he was trans?

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>>2541818
We may have all been trolled already because, a woman was supposed to head the Church initially. But the politics at the time didn't allow for it.

Whether it's true or not I don't know, I wasn't there.

>>2541843
Link to study?

>>2541711
Is this the /pol/cucks larp as devout believers to distance themselves from their atheist past and try to justify their god emperor paying billions of dollars to Israel thread?

>>2541876
they are cited in this videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ii-bsrHB0o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDX6F_O5XB0

>>2541821
> impossible
> for an omnipotent spirit being
wew lad

>>2541718

You'll be one of the dead, so you will not get your evidence.

Sorry.

I, for one, welcome proof of his existence.

They'll mostly reject him due to their egotistical nature.

And they'll probably be already killed since they'll be on the anti-christ's side.

>>2541902
you'd*

by that point atheists will already been brainwashed by the Antichrist's army.

>>2541892
Studies can state anything, still, most of them are incorrect. It doesn't make sense because abstract thinking like that requires serious stimulation before coming to being, see cave paintings

>be me
>one night I feel a divine pressence
>feel diffferent, as if I held godhood within
>have dream, heaven and hell, see myself in heaven
>meditate, see myself as light brown haired naked white woman in a forest at night surrounded by friendly wolves
>feel an urge to love my being, do so, fall in bed feeling love for myself and fall asleep in a trance
>dream that theres a grill inside sum geometrical shapes, have sex with this spirit while pressing sum white buttons she has in her stomach
>wake up, my dick feels as if I just fugged
>check religions, none is like this, my god pulls me away from each I try.
>enter internets
>there are people killing themselves over all these discarded religions

>>2541833
Didn't he forgive the romans and shit?

>>2541896
Christcucks don't know their own religion, what a surprise.

>>2541711
>Mass suicide

Surely the Christians would be committing mass suicide, considering that they finally have proof of their religion.
Well, maybe they could pretend it was accidental to get into Heaven.
And that's if the Muslims etc. don't kill them all first for Heresy.

>>2541718
>>2541918
>>2542108
>le "there is no proof" meme
Nice display of willful ignorance here.
Sticking your head in the sand will not change reality.

>Worst Objection to Theism: Who Created God?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKKIvmcO5LQ

>Digital Physics Argument for God's Existence
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2Xsp4FRgas

>The Leibnizian Cosmological Argument
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2ULF5WixMM

>Quantum Physics Debunks Materialism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C5pq7W5yRM

>The Introspective Argument
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l1lQMCOguw

>The Teleological Argument
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Yt7hvgFuNg

>What Atheists Confuse
Part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbLJtxn_OCo
Part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bj0lekx-NiQ

>Is Atheism a Delusion?
Part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ii-bsrHB0o
Part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnBTJDje5xk

>Atheists Don't Exist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDX6F_O5XB0

http://www.reasons.org/articles/articles/fulfilled-prophecy-evidence-for-the-reliability-of-the-bible
http://www.crisismagazine.com/2015/atheists-dont-exist
http://www.letusreason.org/apolo7.htm

http://www.davelivingston.com/tableofcontents.htm
http://www.bible.ca/archeology/bible-archeology.htm

>>2542036
reminds me of the stories of greeks who claimed to have had a goddess visit and have sex with them overnight. similarly according to Jewish legends wet dreams are from Lilith raping men in their sleep

>>2542036
8/10 mystery cult tier

>>2542133
Make your case yourself or fuck off, no one can properly address these because of the sheer infobomb and the olway it removes tge discussion from context

>>2542218
And the way it removes the discussion from context*

>>2541711
But Jesus Christ is a fictional character.

>>2542133
>god exists therefore jebus

>>2542058
As they are included in "everybody", yes. Everybody's sins were forgiven on the same account: "Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do."

But that did not restore life to the human race; that did not force people to believe Jesus is who he says he is.

That is the 1 sin still outstanding, and it is Unbelief, and it is unpardonable.

>>2541711
lol christians indulging in fantasy revenge daydreams because they are so bitter
>what if I was right all along and my religion is NOT a stupid lie!? THEN they'll be sorry they made fun of me!!

>>2542361
this really, I think their scripture even condemns this kind of behavior

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>>2542361
>>2542405
>"One day my Sky Daddy's Son will come back and then you'll see!"

I'd say "huh, I guess I was wrong. My bad"

>>2542429
>>2542361
Why are atheists so delusional?

>>2541759
Holy shit, you call us fedoras, but tell me if that isn't an animeish sounding fucking phrase...

>>2542463
>muh satan muh demons muh prophecy

>>2542463
>triggered

>>2541821
Oh fuck. I think he is the prophet.
This is funny about you believers: ecery time you speak about the skydaddy it sounds like you have met him and he's given you all the knowledge...

>>2542405
Probably because you have zero understanding of the bible.

>>2542483
You think biochips are confined to anime?

>>2542494
Yes, that's the nature of the New Covenant. I don't have to tell any born again Christian who Jesus is, because they already know.

>>2541773
Odin is doomed to die as is Thor and all the Asgardians

What I want to know is when Quetzalcoatl is coming back.

>>2542513
not all of the gods will die
just a bunch of em

>>2541711
Depends on whether they were good or bad people in general. Jesus' second coming is depicted as a pretty dramatic "hell yeah" vs "aw shit" filter in terms of righteousness rather than religion or lack thereof.

>>2542521
Yeah just all the ones supporting human culture and health.

Just Skadi and the wolves

>>2541711
>hes waiting for a magic man to come out of the sky and make everything perfect
Do religious people ever step back and think about what theyre saying and go "God damn, Im COMPLETELY fucking insane."?

>>2541711
Well I mean a demon escaping hell could cause mass suicides but I hope not.

>>2542529
a long time ago since i read this stuff, but the only ones i remember explicitly dying are odin, thor, tyr, heimdall, frey, fenrir, jormungandr, loki and hel (not sure about her). not all of these are "gods" but you see what im saying. i dont recall freyja or frigga dying

bit hard to check this on google cause some weebshit keeps popping up. anime was a mistake

>>2542532
Do atheists ever stop to consider why the fuck they should even care? Any answers beyond "for the lulz" are, in a totally materialistic universe, just delusions dreamt up as part of some shitty personal replacement religion.

>>2542133
>hur dur I can't construct my own argument because I'm a walking confirmation bias and just copy paste links from questionable sources that agree with me

>>2541771
The Prodigal Son parable was something meant before the end of times

Jesus specifically said that anyone that rejected him before His Second Coming and tried to gain his favour at that point would be rejected too.

>>2541732
I'm not smug. I would love that you guys learn of the love of God.

>>2542566
Yes actually, most Atheists don't "care" so to speak, but when the topic comes up it's a moment of realization.
If it were just personal opinions, then it would be harmless fun to believe whatever you want.
But we live in a society, so at some point the beliefs of other people are going to influence their actions and behaviors, so knowing you live and work with delusional religious people is unsettling.

>when

>>2542607
So basically it boils down to personal comfort, then. Acceptable answer; it does fall under the umbrella of hedonism.

>>2542625
>So basically it boils down to personal comfort
Just like Christian belief that there is a plan and heaven which only they can go to, a giant facade so they can feel good for themselves.

>>2542625
If being labeled as a "hedonist" is their way to complain that I don't believe their superstition then so be it.

>>2542566
some do, some don't
Even if you do, you're probably at least 10 years old, you've already lived awhile and your mind can't comprehend not acting liek everyone else does, most Christians would do this do, regardless of their beliefs (not saying God doesn't exist, just that most people don't ponder things that deeply and can't comprehend an alternative). Those that do have a variety of responses, some think that nothing matters, some just live their lives, the only way to live in our society is to live within its bounds (generally, there are outliers, obviously). Personally, I recognize the futility of life, I'm not going to live, or be concious forever, and nothing I do will ever matter in the context of the universe but that doesn't make me despair or make me decide to act like nothing matters. My family makes me happy and so does life (it actually doesn't, I hate my life, but that has nothing to do with the lack of inherent meaning in it, just random personal issues that existed when I was a Christian and now when I am not...).

>>2541892
>youtube videos
>source
Kill yourself.

>>2542641
Not really. Christians have a reason to believe what they do matters. Atheists have to deal with the fact that "the good of mankind" or "adherence to truth" have no inherent nobility to them. Literally all of it is made up. Finding purpose in that stuff is sticking your head in the sand.

>>2542566
99% of theists don't follow their holy books, most people are revisionists that change their interpretation of the religion to fit their comfort level. Even if you are a devout believer you can't deny that most Christians don't sit their and ponder their existence or morals either.

>>2542661
It's a very strange complaint anyway. Epicurus falls under the label hedonist, and he was a vastly more restrained morally than many (in fact, I'd wager the majority of) Christians throughout history.

>>2542671
Maybe you should realize that self made purpose doesnt have to come from the threat of hellfire. You give yourself purpose because you believe in the unproven, yet think everyone is delusional if they dont do it the same way you do.

>>2542671
>Finding purpose in that stuff is sticking your head in the sand.

Only people who have actually read the philosophers of the 21st century entry level canon should be allowed to post here. That includes Nietzsche and Camus.

>>2542671
But Christians don't know that what they do matters. They're still engaging in a self-made purpose, because they'll never be able to actually experience the divine in this lifetime. This isn't an atheist criticism, this is from fucking Kierkegaard, moron.

>>2541711

I don't see what the problem is.

If the Romans can nail Jebus to a cross then I'm sure our nuclear weapons arsenal can take care of an attempted intergalactic invasion by the massive faggot.

What's he going to to do? Make bread turn into fish at us? lmao

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>>2542671
>Christians have a reason to believe what they do matters.
If Christians are allowed to invent "reasons" that they matter, why are Atheists not allowed to?

Or do only "reasons" that someone else wrote for you count?

ITT atheists don't understand differencs in internal consistancies among paradigms.

>>2542722
>>2542722
ITT Christians suck dick at defending their position.

>>2542722
Want to try again in non pseudointellectual language?

Atheists, are allowed to think and invent what ever they want...
I did when I was an Atheist

>>2542734
So are Christians, and they do. What's your point?

>>2542742
>If Christians are allowed to invent "reasons" that they matter, why are Atheists not allowed to?
just answering the question

>>2542753
No, it doesn't work that way. Sorry. This is not a level playing field.

God provides humans with love, acceptance, meaning and purpose.

Without God, and foolishly declaring he does not even exist, there is nothing in a person to satisfy those desires for love, acceptance, meaning and purpose. Every substitute will fail to satisfy.

Because God designed us that way.

So while an atheist has to invent a reason why his life has meaning and purpose, those reasons fall flat in the face of his own worldview that nothing matters, and that there is no afterlife.

Whereas what we receive from God does not fall flat, does not fail, and does not expire upon our deaths.

What makes you think they can’t

>>2542773
Maybe so but there is nothing as yet to stop Atheists thinking whatever they want
I did when I was an Atheist

>>2542773
But you don't know any of that. You're bound in your own senses which can never perceive truth. So you're just as much inventing a reason as any atheist, and it's just as likely to fall flat. Evidence of the fact it'll fall flat can be seen in the current rates of apostasy and the tendency towards experiencing crisis of faith.

>>2542773
Christians don't listen to God though...they listen to the version of God they think is acceptable
You're statement only applies to Christians who knows the bible (very few) and Christians who follow the bible to the word (or to the accpeted interpretation, which is itself, dubious) and that accounts for....almost noone.

>>2542786
Aye, but thinking so doesn't make it so.

If you're a deist, I would recommend searching into the claims that Jesus made to be God.

>>2542789
But God is not so bound, and has made it known to any who seek wisdom.

>>2542789
No body can know anything for sure
If we are really going that deep
I've looked at the evidence and I now consider myself a backslidden Atheist

>>2542799
I don't use "Christian" lightly. I mean born again new creations in Christ Jesus when I say "Christian".

and yes, Christians listen to the one true God. We had to in order to become Christians, and now he lives in us.

>>2542806
I study the evidence and go where it leads me
Atheism for me is something I can no longer believe in

>>2542807
That's a cop-out. You don't know that God has done any such thing. You're taking it as an article of faith, which means you're just making it up as much as any atheist. Again, apostasy runs rampant in the developed world.

>>2542808
>I've looked at the evidence

But you have by no means seen the evidence, you have only seen your sense's interpretation of the evidence and you're working from perspective.

>>2542812
>and yes, Christians listen to the one true God. We had to in order to become Christians, and now he lives in us.

You don't know that.

>>2542819
In that case there is no way of knowing anything
I find that a cop out
I try to make my best judgement and come to a sensible conclusion

>>2542831
>I find that a cop out

It's not, it's an epistemological limitation of humanity that's well explored at this point. Do you, or do you not accept the possibility that you could be wrong? If you don't, you're a fucking moron.

>>2542843
Of course I could be wrong so could you
We look at the evidence c#and come to a conclusion
It might be subjective, but to not bother at all because we can never really move away from our own subjective experience is in my opinion...
A cop out

>>2542726
ITT phone posting fucking sucks so here's your delayed essay:

We're not talking about how someone arrives at their paradigm (Christianity vs Atheism or whatever). Nor are we talking about the relative merits of said paradigms. We are talking about individuals within staying consistent with what the relevant system says about reality.

In baby tier terms:

>Christianity: Big smart guy builds universe, gives people rules to live by for their own good.

>Atheism: There is no big guy. We're in here alone. There are no official rules.

Within one system, there's a built-in reason to care about shit beyond your own comfort zone (whether or not you think the reason is bullshit doesn't matter, we're talking about consistancy within the system). In the other outlook, there isn't any reason beyond your own personal desires.

Now I'm not arguing Christians can't be just as delusional about assigning their personal drive for doing good to something more noble than "it makes me feel good" or "I like this" or "people now respect me more for not being a jackass." What I am saying is that atheists by default have no better answers.

Also, for those of you saying that "well if Christians get to be self-delusional, why shouldn't I?": That's all well and good, just don't act surprised when people laugh at your claims about taking the more reasonable position. Beyond nihilistic hedonism, of course.

>>2542854
>A cop out

And how do you sustain this position? Have you found any reason to believe in true knowledge, found an opinion that can't be wrong?

Frankly, I don't give a shit what you believe (though to be perfectly honest, I am getting seriously fucking tired of you bloviating, pharisaical assholes shitting up /his/) I just want you to accept that your position is as made up and founded on your own sentiment as any other. At least the crazy fundie hides his under outright crazy rather than lies.

>>2542855
Oh wow, look the little idiot hasn't actually read any philosophy. What a fucking shock. The whole point of secular philosophy is coming up with internally consistent reasons to believe those things, you preachy piece of shit. Go fucking broaden your intellectual horizons and stop failing at everything, you intellectual parasite.

>>2541711
Id be happy because it would be evidence of a reality beyond our normal one, imagine what scientific possiblities are possible if we discovered heaven science.

>>2542860
As I said, of course I could be wrong.
I have made a Judgement based upon evidence that I have been able to comprehend
For example

Christian - In the beginning God created
Atheist - In the beginning, Nothing exploded now we have everything

God makes more sense

>>2542818
Evidence that Demands a Verdict
More Evidence that Demands a Verdict

-Josh McDowell

Who Moved the Stone?

--Frank Morrison aka Albert Henry Ross

>>2542868
Try coming up with something beyond a spergy meme answer so I can take your suggestion seriously.

Face it, bub. You've got nothing over some happy John Luddite who hides out in some bumfuck cabin and sincerely believes the fairy folk talk to him every morning over tea.

>>2542819
I read it in the bible, plain text clear as day.

Revealed knowledge from God Himself.

>>2542855
>>2542874
On top of that, Christians don't have a built in reason either. This is my entire fucking point, you're too goddamn stupid to grasp it. You aren't accepting some doctrine handed down by God; you're creating a doctrine based on an old mythos without actually being able to experience any of what makes that doctrine "valid" (hahahahaHAHAHA... oh wow). You're doing literally exactly the same thing you're accusing atheists of, and then trying to take the high ground because your reasons are written down in an extremely stupid book. You goddamn fucking cretins.

>>2542829
I do, actually.

Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.

Being saved requires divine assistance.

>>2542887
Christians are temples the Holy Spirit lives in.

Try again.

>>2542880
There is lots of evidence whether you want to look or believe it is entirely up to you.
Nobody is forcing you to believe anything

>>2542878
>I have made a Judgement based upon evidence that I have been able to comprehend

You did no such thing. You made a sentimental leap based on experiences that justified those sentiments.

>Atheist - In the beginning, Nothing exploded now we have everything

Oh, so now we're going to add scientific ignorance onto ignorance of our epistemological limitations. I am really starting to think you picked your ideals out of pure stupidity.

>>2542882
Neither do you, that's my point. We're all equally stuck in our little sensory bubble, picking shit out of sentiment.

>>2542884
>I'm retarded.

Stop talking, you're just making yourself look worse.

>>2542894
I was recommending those to anyone looking for evidence that the claims in the bible regarding the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ are true.

>>2542887
All I gather from this is you don't like what I've said and so are trying to attack one system so you don't have to address the implications of the other. I'm sorry you're so butthurt over suddenly discovering your smug fedoraism is invalidated by your own axioms. Maybe next time don't validate your entire existance via Dawkins et al..

>>2542896
Worse to whom? Some hellbound spawn of satan?

Do you think your anonymous opinion matters so much that I would deny my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ?

>>2542316
So, everybody's sins have been forgiven?
But the sin of Unbelief is unforgivable?

>>2542898
Dawkins really is babby tier atheism. His main argument in the God Delusion is the same thing you get here.

"If God created the universe, then who created God???"

Babby tier.

>>2542888
>>2542893
Yes yes, we all know you're retarded.

>>2542901

Correct. Unbelief = blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, and that is unpardonable. Hence unbelievers stand convicted before their trial begins. Hence unbelievers are lumped in with murderers and rapists and thieves.

To "pardon" unbelief, God would have had to force everyone on earth to believe in him, and that would invalidate the entire reason for this creation: to have Love be the highest ideal. Uncoerced, unforced Love.

>>2542904
Christians literally have a built in reason to believe there is a God.

Literally.

That fact escaped you. Twice.

>>2542898
>Dawkins

Oh, my non-existent God. You're more philosophically bankrupt than I thought. Dawkins believes in true knowledge you little dipshit.

I'd seriously be able to take the Christians here seriously if they came for a reason other than to proselytize and had an actual philosophical backing to their beliefs.

>>2542921
Why would people with Rolls Royces go to a used Datsun pick-a-parts shop except to proselytize?

>>2542918
>If I assert it really hard, it'll be true.

Haha, no. You're an idiot.

>>2542896
>Neither do you, that's my point. We're all equally stuck in our little sensory bubble, picking shit out of sentiment.
I'm perfectly fine knowing I could be wrong. The whole thing started because of what >>2542532 and all I did was point out atheists (mostly the loud annoying ones) really have no business trying to pretend they're at all superior.

Again, unless you abandon the adherence to reason and just enjoy yourself. That is, ironically, the most reasonable position to take.

>>2542896
>You made a sentimental leap based on experiences that justified those sentiments.
And you are not?
Wow you really are full of wisdom who am I to speak to such a divinity as yourself
As far as Science is concerned That quote of mine was referenced from so called science, it is not my fault if the science of the Big bang is questionable and changeable

>>2542926
I dunno, why did Jesus hang out with sinners and publicans?

>>2542929
1. Everything properly in the bible is true.
2. That is properly in the bible.

Therefore it is true.

1 Corinthians 6:19 Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?

>when jesus comes back

He never expected or said he would literally come back. The kingdom of heaven had already arived and is still always arriving in every moment, which is what jesus taught. But the idiot disciples couldn't understand that and couldn't deal with the failure of the movement. So they fabricated a total corruption of everything jesus said and did: literal reserection at some later date. Only those who don't understand jesus subscribe to this fairytale.

>>2542934
Because only the lost know they need a savior.

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>>2542936
Unless it isn't true and then it's a metaphor right?

>>2542938
He did, actually. Many times.

John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also.

>>2542943
Who told you metaphors are inherently false?

>>2542921
>Dawkins believes in true knowledge
Dawkins is philosophically bankrupt and still tries his hand at it instead of sticking with what he's good at, i.e. inductive reasoning, because he's awful at the deductive variety. I am so sorry your intellectual stillbirth began and ended with him.

>>2541711
>Nero persecuting Christians
JESUS IS COMING

>Fall of Rome
JESUS IS COMING

>The black plague
JESUS IS COMING

>Two world wars
JESUS IS COMING

>Nostadamus' 2012 prophecy
JESUS IS COMING

It's like that story about the boy who cried wolf except repeated hundreds of times, how can anyone take this seriously.

>>2542949
Who told you old books about magic men are inherently true?

>>2542931
That's my entire fucking point. Neither of us has a reason to look down on the other for the reasons behind their beliefs. You didn't pick yours out of reason (in fact, you likely didn't pick them at all; your own biological makeup and upbringing did) and neither did I. But right now, we're on a board where the absolute largest group (by a HUGE) margin of vociferous shitposters is Christians, starting threads like this one (which can be summed up as "you'll all be sorry some day for disagreeing with me!"). Cast out the beam from your eye before minding the mote in your brothers.

>>2542933
>And you are not?

NO! Goddamn are you dense. That wasn't my point in the slightest. The only thing I want from this thread is you to accept that you're stuck in the aimless stew of nihilism as much as any atheist. This isn't an atheist critique of your position: it comes from fucking Soren Kierkegaard.

>>2542946

>what is a metaphor

>>2542960
Making a lot of assumptions there, buddy.

>>2542960
>The only thing I want from this thread is you to accept that you're stuck in the aimless stew of nihilism as much as any atheist
So you know more about me than I do
I think this position you take is extremely questionable
You don't know me at all

>>2542773
Interesting perspective, I can see why someone who believes in God would think that everyone else is wrong. It's not a very honest or inquisitive reason but it is very self-serving, so naturally you resort to it.

Actually it is a level playing field, we are all humans on this earth trying to find "reasons" to live in a satisfying way. Christians sign up for their Bible, other people find other philosophies. The Christian then assumes that his religion is somehow a universal standard and applies his ideology to the rest of humanity. This is why he gets lost in his own emotional state and blindly assumes that everyone else is unhappy since they are not in the same religion as him. It makes sense if you by the warped perspective and have no ability to think objectively.

>>2541711
>when

>>2542960
>That's my entire fucking point. Neither of us has a reason to look down on the other for the reasons behind their beliefs.
Actually, I feel that I have plenty of reason to point out hypocrisy according to belief, just as much as you have a right to point out mine.

>>2542975
Only that you're human.

>>2542989
>So you know more about me than I do

I don't need to know much about you for this. Are you a human being limited to the epistemological faculties of a human being? Have your senses ever lied to you? How do you know they're not lying to you right now? These problems don't come from atheists either. Two big Christian thinkers got the ball rolling here (Descartes and Kierkegaard).

You've just staved off the nihilistic nature of reality by waving an ideological stick at it, and then you have the nerve to mount up your horse and accuse atheists of lying to themselves? Fuck you and the horse you're riding on. You need to examine your own beliefs more thoroughly and actually read some (quite a lot, actually) fucking philosophy more recent than Aquinas.

>>2543004
That's fine too.

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>>2542133
What is this reddit faggotry. Pick a single proof and stick with it instead of pretending being ignored is being victorious.

>>2543005
Got a phone call
Sorry to have to leave your stimulating debate
will come back

>>2542955
Because even this was prophesied in the bible. Even you. Even your reasoning. Even what you have to disbelieve to make this post.

2 Peter 3
knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.” For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water.

It even tells you what you have to not believe in, in order to believe what you now believe. You have to not believe in the Creation, and you have to not believe in the Flood. And indeed you believe in neither.

>>2542957
Nobody. In fact, the bible said they are false, full of lies and abominations.

>>2542972
Nothing in that verse, for sure.

I kind of thought you had no idea what a metaphor was. Thanks for confirming it.

>>2542997
There is a narrow path that leads to salvation, and few find it.

There are many ways that seem right to a man, but they all end at death. The road to death, to hell, is wide, and broad, and many tread upon it.

It was never a numbers game.

>>2542878
Do Christians only believe in cartoon simple version of reality?
It's more of a critique on intellectual capacity than truth value.
They always complain "You don't understand Spirituality or Faith" or other vague terms. It's nonstop platitudes and bible quotes.

When they finally have an original thought, of course it's some reprehensible sociopathic malice:
>Hence unbelievers are lumped in with murderers and rapists and thieves.
Islam tier.

>>2543005
Actually, whereas I've been examining the behavioral consistency of Atheists in the light of Atheism, you've been examining the behavioral consistency of Christians...in the light of Atheism. Effectively, we're having two separate debates here.

>>2543028
Bible came centuries prior to Islam.

Revelation 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

>>2543024
You are still replying within the bounds of your ideology so you are just proving my point.

>>2543032
There's no fundamental difference between the two groups, you dingus. They're both just humans. While I'm sure the local fundietard would claim differently, Christians are just humans.

>>2543035
That is correct. Everything I have posted is based on the bible.

I have found that the Christian worldview is not only the most robust worldview available, but the most all encompassing, most stable, and most rewarding.

>>2543038
It's not my claim; it's the truth as revealed by God.

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.

Sorry the truth has such a dull ring and is so predictable.

>>2543042
Oh, and absolutely necessary for the practice of any science.

>>2543042
I think that speaks more to your mental ability than the merits of Christianity. You are easily convinced by mystical nonsense, so you are ideologically obligated to condemn everyone who isn't gullible.

>>2543044
>It's not my claim; it's the truth as revealed by God.
This is the core problem, Christians are unable to distinguish between themselves and their ideology. This is why they redirect criticism of their personal opinions neatly onto their tenants.

>>2543048
I'm not condemning anyone.

I'm recommending a Christian worldview. One that explains everything that there is to know.

I was not born a Christian; I can (barely) remember what it was like to think Scientism was an accurate worldview. It's so tangible. It's so popular.

It's so false.

>>2543058
You're saying it's my personal opinion when I show you that it is in the bible.

I understand that you are not a believer, but even you should be able to fathom that if a belief is in the bible, it predates my opinions.

Origin
Life
Meaning
Purpose
Destiny

These things cannot be satisfactorily answered by Scientism, or Nihilism, or any other godless worldview.

>>2541711
I'm gonna crucify that sonnofabitch again.

>>2543080
He came to earth as the Lamb of God so that he could pay the death penalty for all of our sins, and redeem us from the wicked one, if we choose to be redeemed.

That is not how he is coming back.

He is coming back as the Lord of Hosts, and the Lion of the Tribe of Judah. His best friend saw him in all his glory and fell on his face as though dead.

You will not fare that well.

>>2543071
It's your personal opinion that the Bible is a relevant and trustworthy source for an ideology.
So if I don't accept your axiom, it follows that I don't accept the validity of conclusions drawn from your understanding of the Bible.

>>2543090
No, it is not. Hundreds of millions of human beings have come to that conclusion prior to my birth.

You not accepting the truth of the bible blindly, and flailing about when there are answers to be had, speaks to how desperately you want those answers to comport with your worldview.

You do not disbelieve the bible because it contradicts itself (it does not); you disbelieve the bible because it contradicts you.

>>2543089
>You will not fare that well.

Against a single Jewish zombie? I don't think so

>>2542598
Oh I'd love to but which God and denomation :^)

>>2543044
Ok, I'm just telling you this to be nice and spare you some effort: don't reply to me, I wont argue with you for the same reason I don't argue with the crazy guy in front of the beer store.

You've completely detached from reality, and there's literally nothing talking to you could add to this dialogue.

>>2543038
I'm sure you think repeating this over and over and over again is supposed to change something, but it won't.

I'm leaving it here, because I don't feel like banging my head against a wall for the rest of the day:

Christianity, whether you like it or not, has something beyond base human selfishness within the system that justifies doing things.

Atheism doesn't.

Your argument is just that you should get to ignore the former fact because we're all human. My entire point was how atheists go on about being so superior to religious folk despite being no less subject to personal and, dare I say it, nigh religious delusions. So thanks for not addressing that.

I'm out.

ITT: atheists getting intellectually destroyed

>>2543102
Against the Almighty.

The least of the fallen angels, unrestrained, could slaughter mankind. But they could not collectively scratch the Almighty.

>>2543119
>Christianity, whether you like it or not, has something beyond base human selfishness within the system that justifies doing things.

It by definition cannot, since it's still up to a human being limited by human faculties to accept or deny it. But hey, thanks for the very typical show of form where you outright deny reality.

Nietzsche was right.

>>2543114
Except the uncomfortable feeling that you're wrong, and that you're missing out on everything God has planned for you.

Because of your stubborn pride, and your excessive dependence upon your own intelligence.

But who exactly gave you that intelligence, again?

I don't care that you think the way of the cross is foolish; it says that in the bible. The way of the cross is foolish to the lost, to the Greek, to the unsaved; but to the saved it is the power of God unto salvation.

You're not saying anything new.

You have added nothing to my worldview, and no possibility of ever doing so. Because I have been you, and being you sucks.

>>2543132
Again, no, no it is not. It requires supernatural acts that require supernatural assistance.

You cannot, in your flesh, say out loud that Jesus is Lord, and believe God raised him from the dead.

You cannot do it.

Even if you tried, you could not do it.

>>2543133
>blah blah blah I'm a big crazy retard

Oh man, you sure added so much to this discussion.

>>2543137
>Because I have been you, and being you sucks.

>>2543136
>Again, no, no it is not. It requires supernatural acts that require supernatural assistance.

You have no actual reason for thinking that. Maybe you should consider giving thorazine a shot.
I Jesus is lord just this second. It wasn't special.

>>2543137
I have, actually.

This thread contains enough information for a man to be saved; to come into a relationship with the living God; to be full of the Holy Spirit; and to change his eternal destination from pitch black burning brimstone to bliss in heaven forever.

You're the drowning man being swept down the river, and you're mocking the man throwing you a rope.

>>2543138
Back at'cha. You fucking crazy retard.

>>2543139
Yes, I do. God Himself literally said it. I posted it above.

>>2543101
What about the billions of people who don't believe in the Bible?
What about the millions of "Christians" who believe in different interpretations of your same Bible?
What about the untold trillions of future people who very well may believe some indescribable paradigms of their time and places

The point is your Bible is a notable aspect of human society, but you insist it's the culmination of all human spirituality when it clearly isn't. You can predictably insist it's "Truth" and blame other people for not buying into it like you did, but is that not a clearly biased and subjective stance?
>flailing about when there are answers to be had, speaks to how desperately you want those answers to comport with your worldview.
Ironically this is the exact reason YOU believe in your particular flavor of Bibleism, the reason you call it Truth is because you believe in it, that's all.

Unless you can break character there's no way to have a rational discussion because we have different axioms. I don't trust people with warped agendas.

>>2543139
Note how it was 2 parts, and you only lied about doing 1?

>>2543141
HERP DERP, I CAN'T HOLD ALL THIS CRAZY

Thorazine.

>>2543133
>reddit formatting
>reddit-tier opinions

>>2543145
PROVE IT
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>>2543147
Tell you what, how about you give an anti-psychotic a shot and see how it affects your beliefs.

>>2543141
>This thread contains enough information for a man to be saved; to come into a relationship with the living God; to be full of the Holy Spirit; and to change his eternal destination from pitch black burning brimstone to bliss in heaven forever.
Literally a cultist deliberately seeking to indoctrinate people.

>>2543125
That's cool advertisement for your champion. But I doubt it's what you gonna say, once he leaves the ring.

>>2543142
You've never been saved. You've never known God, heard his voice, watched his hands work. You have never contemplated his creation, nor the wonder that he made you. You have never thanked him for anything he has ever given you, nor will you, yet you have nothing that is not from him.

You will never know the bliss of worshiping the living God, nor the peace that passes all understanding, nor the joy only his Spirit can bring.

You are missing out on everything it means to live with your Creator in loving harmony, in a loving and dependent relationship with him, by obstinately attempting to brute force the universe with your wee little mind.

I have been you, and it sucks.

>>2542921
>true knowledge
>only hard science knowledge is true knowledge

you spout so many buzzwords and yet know so little about philosophy

>>2543156
I'll take the infinite freedom of unbelief over slavery. Please, stop proselytzing on an academic board. Do you go to universities and disrupt classes to preach?

>>2543158
Are you honestly retarded? I didn't claim I agree with him, that was a rejection of his claim that my opinions are from Dawkins.

>>2543146

What about YOU?

>>2543156
Cute feels bro.
It's just not convincing, it's kind of pathetic actually.

>>2542960
>You didn't pick yours out of reason (in fact, you likely didn't pick them at all; your own biological makeup and upbringing did)

actually retard, I was raised Christian and when I grew up and my logical faculties developed I stopped believing in ridiculous bullshit.

So don't act like being brought up religious means you're incapable of seeing the truth.

>>2543155
He's never going to "leave the ring". He's going to break the world, remake it, rule over it, and put down the final rebellion of mankind and angels. Then Judgment Day, then eternity.

>>2543169
There's more to your upbringing than what your parents taught you.

>>2543161
I took the infinite freedom of belief over the slavery to sin. The slavery to the flesh, to the lusts of the eyes, to the pride of life. You're a slave to your own members. You are not free.

Only those whom the Son sets free are free.

History is His Story to tell, and I will tell it as I can.

>>2543167
It's just the truth.

>>2543166
I guess I never got tricked into believing an impossible mystical revenge fantasy because I'm a well adjusted human being, feels good man.

>>2543177
>freedom is slavery

Doubleplus good comrade.

>>2543179
Your version of the truth seems suspiciously based on your emotional state and not any real information.

>>2543182
Nothing with God is impossible, nor am I looking to any revenge.

I found a place that's giving away free bread, and I'm telling you where it is.

Revenge is the antithesis of Christianity: "Vengeance is mine" saith the Lord of Hosts.

>>2543187
I'm comparing my life before Jesus to my life after Jesus.

Pretty sure I'm the expert on that.

>>2543174
It's so convenient for you isn't it, to convince yourself that youre utterly incapable of developing logical beliefs because you were raised a certain way. Unwilling maybe, but incapable? We are not mere beasts we are MEN and we decide our own fates and break free from instinct on a regular basis.

No culture is incapable of change, the fact that you people try to hard and often successfully to convert people should show you that people are individuals and while they are influenced by upbringing, they ultimately make their own decisions. It's just intellectual cowardice to say it's all just upbringing, absolves you of the duty we have as rational beings to seek a new path, one that is better than the one you were on. That is the spirit of what it means to be a human being.

>>2543186
John 8
Jesus answered them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever. Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.

>>2543200
>Nothing with God is impossible, nor am I looking to any revenge.
>he has the gall to claim in a thread that can be summed up as "those atheists sure will be sorry for disagreeing with me :("

Why are you such a liar? You believe in Christianity because it makes you feel superior to others with the promise of eternal life in paradise for agreeing with yourself.

>>2543207
Hear, hear. The denial of the possibility of change is a trap.

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Atheism is a mental illness.

>>2543214
I didn't want to burn in hell forever.

I don't know how that fits in with your opinion on why I became a Christian.

Heaven is a bonus. Having a relationship with the living God is gravy.

>>2543207
Free will (as in our wills are uncaused actors that could go one way or another without causal determinism at play) is a myth.

Of course culture can change, it just does so in a deterministic fashion; people can too, we can even improve of our own accord, we just aren't doing it unassisted.

Also we are animals. Bona fide members of kingdom animalia.

>>2543211
Doubleplus good comrade. Bigbrother think truethink.

>>2543214
To be fair he might not be the OP and just is chiming into this thread.

OP is probably a troll anyway, he just knows the proddies can't resist showing up.

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Why are atheists so irrational?

Why do they hate science and philosophy?

>>2543223
It's also self-refuting. A reasonable person can make the statement that they do not personally know if God exists, or what the nature or character of God might be, but for a man to declare that there is no God requires infinite knowledge.

It would require that man to in fact be God.

How many atheists have conducted their search for God off-planet? Out of system? In the edges of the universe? In any other dimension?

No, to say there is no God requires a fool, and not a carefully studied man at all.

>>2543224
>I didn't want to burn in hell forever.

I.E. you want to live in eternal paradise. Since it's a binary choice, that is what "not burning in hell" equates to.

You're a lying egoist.

>>2543230
Ironically, the more belief in God, the less belief in State. And no God leads to the State being God.

>>2543235
because they hate god and are in rebellion against him

good little slaves for satan

>>2543232
I'm not OP, as you surmise, and I am never OP. I do not start threads. I do tend to end them, though.

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>>2543239
This.

>>2543236
God by definition is omnipresent, therefore the search for god may be conducted in any location.

Also Santa Claus is real.

>>2543238

Why do you keep insisting that you know my reasons better than I do?

I became very convinced there is a hell, and my place in it certainly deserved, before I ever gave a thought to heaven.

If you'll notice, there's not a lot about heaven in the bible.

There is a lot about hell.

I'm not "superior" to anyone else. I'm saved. I was sitting there on death row, and the phone rang and it was the governor. He had granted me a pardon.

So I took it.

>>2543239
>Therefore, if God existed, only in one way could he serve human liberty-by ceasing to exist.

Mikhail Bakunin (anarchist theorist), God and the State

>>2543236
>How many atheists have conducted their search for God off-planet? Out of system? In the edges of the universe? In any other dimension?
I guess God must be in this tiny gap that we don't have enough instruments to inspect.

>>2543247
Do you believe God is enslaved by his own qualities? Do you believe that God has to be everywhere because God can be everywhere?

What detection device are you even using to look for God? A flashlight and a magnifying glass? A hat with little ear flaps?

No, get back to me when you're serious about this.

>>2543254
>Why do you keep insisting that you know my reasons better than I do?

Because you're a transparent human being.

>I'm not "superior" to anyone else. I'm saved.

You're part of a belief system in which only the saved can be considered good or meritorious as human beings, only the saved aren't deserving of eternal torture. Of course you consider yourself superior.

>>2543256
Rubbish. I Am cannot be I Am Not.

Liberty comes from being set free. I was bought at a price, a terrible price, and then set free.

I am free.

>>2543256
t. liberal

>b-but muh liberty

>>2543257
i.e. not in the 1% of the earth we've inspected.

Holy crap the atheists are getting just insanely stupid with the passage of time.

>>2543261
Do you think that ideas and hypothetical concepts become real and existent in the universe if a human believes in them?

>>2543261
How are you searching for Santa Claus?

>>2543262
Only God is good.

No person is good.

So again, don't speak for what you don't know.

>>2543263
>>2543264
Sigh.

>you can't be an atheist without being a statist authoritarian!
>post quote from atheist who is more anti-state than you'll ever be
>BUT THAT QUOTE IS WRONG

I hate you.

>>2543173
Talk, talk, talk and yet more empty talk.

So whenś that Jew gonna show himself? Or is he too scared to come for another round?

>>2543267
I am not a noetic scientist, so I do not know. I do know that ideas have prices to pay, and victims. I do know that hypothetical constructs today are blueprints tomorrow.

But none of that has anything to do with God.

>>2543269
Did someone present Jesus and Santa Claus to you in exactly the same manner?

>>2543271
I read the entire Bible, cover to cover. You're nitpicking. Again, the central point is "only the saved are not deserving of being tortured forever." Of course you view yourself as better than them, because you view yourself as not deserving of eternal torture.

>>2543266
So God is at the bottom of the ocean, or at the top of that very tall hill, or just over the horizon?

Maybe God is a species of deep sea crustacean that survives on geologic vents?

Maybe God is a space nebula that pulses with radiation beyond the Kupiter Belt?

Daily reminder that people are not born atheists.
Atheism is taught.
>Theory of evolution
>Humanism
>Philosophical naturalism

Scientific studies have shown that theism is natural. Children have an innate knowledge of a god or creator. One has only look at the vast history of mankind and ancient antiquity.

The atheist, through his brainwashed evolutionist assumptions and presuppositions, believes that God is a product of man (to explain natural phenomena) whereas the reality is that we are a product of God.

Satan loves atheism, because it furthers his agenda. It's not a coincidence that the drop of Christianity in the west goes hand-in-hand with the rise of degeneracy, unnatural and immoral behavior in the past decade. It's almost as if people are systematically being turned into savage animals by taking God away from them.

>>2543272
Someone else made that comment. My comment was that God and State take up pretty much the same slot in people; that very godly people do not worship government, and that godless people do. And by worship I mean depend upon the government to provide everything necessary for life. Usually at someone else's expense.

>>2543275
>But none of that has anything to do with God.
No God certainly isn't a human idea or hypothetical concept, he is a super real emotion we all feel deep down inside (except if you are an evil sinful atheist).

>>2543274
To you? If you survive about 7 years and 7 months, you will see him come back in glory. Look for the sun to go dark first.

You'll see him after you die, either way. Heaven or hell.

>>2543282
>godless people do

The very existence of people like Bakunin proves this position wrong, you fucking idiot, and if he's not individualistic enough for you, there's people like Benjamin Tucker, who chewed someone out for trying to get him to accept salvation on his deathbed.

>>2541711
They'll join the demon hordes, they're not retarded.

>>2543281
that is the plan

The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the 'agentur' of the 'Illuminati' between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion. We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time.

this is coming from someone who predicted how ww1 and ww2 would play out, well in advance

>>2543288
7 and half years? Is he THAT much of a pussy?

>>2543288
>To you? If you survive about 7 years and 7 months, you will see him come back in glory. Look for the sun to go dark first.

So, if you're wrong, will you renounce your beliefs, or will you just doubledown harder?

>>2543276
So you missed the verse that said there are none righteous, no, not one.

And the verse where Jesus says only God is good.

And then you accuse me of thinking I am superior to you because I am good, and you are not.

The saved are not deserving of not being tortured.

The saved are not going to be tortured, because Jesus paid the price, and we accepted the pardon.

The unsaved and unbelieving are going to be eternally tortured for their unbelief; for blaspheming the Holy Spirit of God, which is unpardonable.

I do not deserve what I have.

I suggest you do not demand from God what you deserve; I suggest you too take advantage of the best offer in the universe, and accept the pardon purchased in your name for your sins by Jesus Christ on a cross at Calvary.

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Do fedoras even have an argument? All I see is them shitposting and throwing ad hominems

>>2543277
The third heaven is not above our two heavens, atmo and space; it overlaps them at all points and at all times. Nor is it subject to the "natural laws" that run this universe. That is where God and the angels live. That is where they lived before this universe was created.

God is a spirit being who lives in unapproachable light.

>>2543304
as opposed to reposting cartoons over and over?

>>2543301
>all these mental gymnastics
>I don't deserve eternal salvation, I'm just going to accept something I don't deserve :^)

God, you are the worst liar I've ever met. You are fucking garbage.

>>2543310
>>2542133

facts, logic and reason.
things that atheists hate

>>2543286
He's an eternal spirit being who made the universe.

It's hard for me to believe you've thought this through. Man makes God, but somehow man lives in a universe that is made by God, before man is.

Yeah, no.

You can think up your own false god if you'd like, and worship it. It will be real for you. You'll have a real false god, just like the muslims, or the hindus, or the native indians.

>>2543307
So dude when does the comet come round again, I want to drink the koolaid.

>>2543290
I'm not interested in the foolishness of godless men.

>>2541711
Well I'd lean back grease up my asshole and give in to the lord and savior Jesus Christ

>>2543296
It's a 7 year party, so no. And he single handedly decides Armageddon against the armies of the earth, so again no.

>>2543297
No, I'll say I was wrong, and that he's waiting longer than I thought he would.

Which isn't really that hard to say.

He's waiting longer than I thought he would already.

But had he come yesterday, all of you would be damned. So he waits, patiently, for that last straggler to come to him for salvation.

>>2543304
A couple appeals to authority, ironically.

>>2543321
>No, I'll say I was wrong, and that he's waiting longer than I thought he would.

So in other words, you don't seriously consider the possibility of being wrong in your beliefs. Camus was right, it really is intellectual suicide.

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The moment Christ will reveal which Christianity is true Christianity, how will the Christians that are not on the right one react? What if YOUR Christianity were on the wrong side?

>>2543311
Yes. That's why it's called a gift.

You don't brag about receiving a gift.

I did not earn my salvation; I accepted a free gift from God.

So can you. ffs, if I can, anyone can.

>>2543319
So is the Jewish coward going to show himself or not?

>>2543314
>He's an eternal spirit being who made the universe.
I don't believe it.
I think God is the extrapolation of human imagination onto nature.
I see that your belief in God causes you to be deliberately misinformed over the specifics of reality and other cultures, so clearly belief in God is not a beneficial starting point to try to determine truth.

>>2543315
None of those men were Christians, not coincidentally. Nor was there found a bible in Jonestown.

>>2543328
fucking did not see the high res of my pic, kek

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>>2543313
Atheists live in a fantasy world. In their little bubble they like to believe that "religious people r stoopid!" and that they are the smart ones.

In reality, it is the opposite. Atheists get destroyed in debates, whether scientific, philosophical, historical or theological.

They hate God, and no amount of evidence will convince them. They show their hatred towards God by rejecting reason, logic and discussion, and instead pretending creating a straw man: "evil theists keepin' us down".

The good news is that they are on the wrong side of history, so as a Christian there is nothing to be worried about.

Don't cast your pearls to swine.

>>2543317
Luckily he just requires a bent knee, audible confession that he is Lord, and heartfelt belief God raised him from the dead.

Do this, and you will be saved.

>>2543325
I just said I was wrong in my beliefs.....are you reading my posts?

I had thought Jesus would already have come back by now. He is more long-suffering than I can imagine. The last person to be saved has not yet been saved.

>>2543332
Ooooh, yeah, but you're not going to enjoy the appearance with that attitude.

If you were in a kingdom, and a neighbor king took over your country and was riding by, would you bend the knee or not?

>>2543328
I think we could safely assume 99.9999% of Protestants are gonezo.

>>2543333
Leaving you again with no answers as to how the universe came to be, nor how life came to be, nor how humans came to be.

>>2543345
>I just said I was wrong in my beliefs.....are you reading my posts?

A belief, not your beliefs. Idiot. When proven wrong in this assertion, you'd just leap somewhere else to sustain the belief structure. You have indeed committed intellectual suicide.

Jesus will come in 2028 or 2033 (depending on what calender and methodology you are using).

1. Ephesus: 12 years 70 to 82 A.D. "The Era of Transition"

2. Smyrna: 360 years 82 to 442 A.D. "The Era of Persecution"

3. Pergamum: 360 years 442 to 802 A.D. "The Era of Accommodation"

4. Thyatira: 360 years 802 to 1162 A.D. "The Era of Compromise"

5. Sardis: 360 years 1162 to 1522 A.D. "The Era of Corruption"

6. Philadelphia: 360 years 1522 to 1882 A.D. "The Era of Revival"

7. Laodicea: 144 years 1882 to 2026 A.D. "The Era of Degeneration"

>>2543348
You idiots are looking for your black pope to take you through the tribulation.

You're doing it wrong. Really wrong.

>>2543340
Well, thank god for that.

>>2543354
No one will know the day or hour.

>>2543352
I have no idea the distinction you are attempting to make.

My opinion was asked when I thought Jesus' Second Coming would be. I responded 7 years plus 7 months.

Because Jesus is going to come down to the earth 7 years after the Rapture, which I believe will happen within the next 7 months.

But I admitted I have been wrong about the timing, thinking that even today is beyond the time.

Be grateful God is more patient with you than I am.

>>2543356
>you
lol

>>2543337
Christians like you really are stupid if you automatically equate superstition with "reason" and cling to misconceptions.

>>2543351
I see people who readily accept these mythological "answers" spiral into absurd and intellectually stunted sophistry, so it's not exactly a ringing endorsement.

>>2543364
Indeed.

Go for it.

>>2543367
My point is that you have not seriously considered that your belief in Christianity could be wrong; you have in effect destroyed your mind with belief by permanently stifling any further growth.

>>2543369
I see people thinking that the entire mass/energy of the universe suddenly popped into a singularity the size of the head of a pin, from nowhere, then blew up for no reason, until it created all of this order from chaos, and life from non-life, and consciousness from inanimate matter.

That's the most foolish cosmology there is. Saying "God did it" when God did it is perfectly sane.

>>2543380
So tell me, your degree in astrophysics, where'd you get it?

Because I read the Bible and fairly evaluated its claims (they're stupid), but have you actually educated yourself on the origin of the universe? That ridiculous strawman says otherwise.

>>2543375
Christianity:
1. Jesus is God.
2. Jesus rose from the dead.

That's it.

I have confessed with my mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believed in my heart God raised him from the dead. I have been sealed with the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit, and have witnessed many miraculous signs and wonders.

None of which has anything to do with my opinion on when Jesus is returning.

But I will tell you this; the reformation of Israel in 1948 was not an accident. It fulfilled prophecy. Prophecies that are playing out today.

Tfw I cant point to a time in my life when i felt the holy spirit entering me.

How can i be 100% sure I am saved?

When alone I feel comfortable, like i am not really alone, but just a feeling of solace.. is this a trait of a born again person?

Articles and sermons I've heard point me to specific passages about being kind, gentle, patient, etc. but its all vague. a non-saved person can be these things too

>>2543383
Yes, I have. God said "Light be", and light was. Then God stretched forth the heavens, as his hand spans the universe.....

Gee, that's exactly what we see when we look out at the universe. Space and stars accelerating away from us, and the trace of CBR from the stretching forth of the heavens on Day Four.

See, it's not the evidence you're not seeing. You're seeing the evidence through shit colored glasses.

>>2543016
A million years could pass and you'd still believe he was coming. It's completely unfalsifiable, and a worthless claim.

>>2543391
Didn't answer my question.

>>2543387

Only a Christian can say out loud that Jesus is Lord, and only a Christian can know in his heart that God raised Jesus from the dead on the third day.

If you can say out loud that Jesus is Lord, knowing in your heart He rose on the third day, you're golden.

It's trivial to do if you are already a Christian; it's impossible to do if you are not (because by such means one becomes a Christian, and not by accident).

>>2543356
Address my question: how would you react if Jesus revealed you were wrong all the time? Not necessarily revealing that Catholicism is right, just that any kind of Christianity that opposes yours is right.

>>2543394
Look at the world.

Does the world look like it's going to last much longer?

>>2543397
That is the origin of the universe. God speaking light into existence.

Everything is the light.

--Nikola Tesla

I wonder if this guy actually thinks he's converted anyone with his knockoff Chick Tracts rhetoric, on fucking 4chan of all places lmao.

>>2543384
So, have you seriously entertained the notion that Jesus is god could be a false statement? Because I entertained the notion that the Bible was true while reading it (it didn't stand up to scrutiny BTW).

>>2543399
If Jesus said so? How would I not be pulverized?

But what Christianity opposes the fact that Jesus really is God, and Jesus really did rise from the dead?

>>2543380
It's just a matter of credulity and desire to worship something.
Someone convinced a Christian that the Bible is real, and it pushed their buttons so they start to do the lifestyle and self-hypnosis.
I don't know of any Atheists who worship the Big Bang. Maybe in some Proddy pamphlet they claim this? Or wait, let me guess, we worship "satan".

The main problem that prevents atheists from becoming christians is the retarded evolution myth. Just point them out that Darwinism has been debunked and is unscientific, atheism will fall and collapse on its own.

>>2543402
Tesla was a crackpot who designed some good things.

Where'd you get your degree in astrophysics?

>>2543400
>Dodges the point entirely.

Effective Christian-ing.

>>2543403
I have seen many men come to a saving knowledge of Christ Jesus on this website, and it is very encouraging that you felt it necessary to attempt to distance yourself from the power you're feeling.

>>2543404
Yes.

If Jesus is not God, mankind has no hope.

Anything you thought wrong in the bible is on you, not the bible. I'd be happy to show you how and why.

>>2543407
By default, yes. There are only two sides in this war. You are either For Jesus, or you are Against Jesus. And the leader of the Against Jesus side is the devil.

>>2543398
What if someone knows these things in his heart but cannot say it out loud (Muslim country or some shit)

>>2543409
Tesla was the most intelligent man who ever lived, but for Jesus (who is God).

I don't require, desire, or need a degree in astrophysics to tell you how the universe started.

Because God told mankind how he created the universe. And they wrote it down, and faithfully copied it for many thousands of years.

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>>2543411
>I have seen many men come to a saving knowledge of Christ Jesus on this website
ok lol, hol up this is how I know you are bullshitting
HOW did you see this?
Are kids coming into your Bible Study every Wednesday saying that "4chan" led them to you?

>>2543410
You asked what if Jesus waited a million years.

You do not have to be spiritually alive to know that mankind will not survive the century without intervention.

>>2543413
>Yes.

Evidently not, since nothing could sway you from that position. You can't say the same about me, BTW. God could open the heavens, say "I EXIST" and then prove it with some miracles and I'd about face the very instant I was sure I wasn't going crazy.

>If Jesus is not God, mankind has no hope.

This is why Nietzsche called you people nihilists.

>Anything you thought wrong in the bible is on you, not the bible. I'd be happy to show you how and why.

Considering the mental gymnastics in this thread, I'd sooner slam my hand in a car door repeatedly.

>>2543419
Many muslims have died converting to Christianity.

If you could speak to them, they would tell you to do it in an instant.

Seeking Allah, Finding Jesus by Nabeel Qureshi speaks to that point.

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>>2541711
Maybe King Arthur will come back at the same time and I can join his holy knights at the round table.

>>2543422
>Tesla was the most intelligent man who ever lived, but for Jesus (who is God).

He died thinking a pigeon was shooting beams of light from his eyes, you moron.

>I don't require, desire, or need a degree in astrophysics to tell you how the universe started.

Yet you feel fit to say the scientific claim is bullshit.

>>2543424
No, by leading them there myself, and by their testimony afterwards.

http://creation.com/refuting-noahs-ark-critics

Daily reminder that the global flood is a real historical event that covered the entire world for 150 days, approximately 4000 years ago.

This catastrophic event ruined the earth's original beauty and Edenic conditions, as well as rapidly dropping human lifespans and killing the dinosaurs.

>>2543415
>There are only two sides in this war.
Heh, very telling of your psychology.

>>2543437
>and by their testimony afterwards
this is gold
please never drop the schtick, m8
t. a fan

>>2543426
God did that.

The Hebrews begged him never to do it again.

We're not nihilists because Jesus really is God, and we really do believe in him.

True, what you thought wrong about the bible was not wrong at all, and you don't want to be shown up, but false that you think you know something in the bible is false.

It's just your baseless opinion, and unsubstantiated.

Serving to do nothing but rob you of any hope.

>>2543408
>The main problem that prevents atheists from becoming Young Earth Christians is the retarded evolution myth
fixed
>Just point them out that Darwinism has been debunked and is unscientific, atheism will fall and collapse on its own.
Inumerous other hypotheses can be made, like we being created by things beyond our imagination, and they could be anything. The probability Christianity, and particularly your branch, is right is still infinitesimal.

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>>2543435
Einstein thought Tesla was smarter than him, retard..

2/10 for making me reply

Armchair Theologian here, AMA.

>>2543439
>http://creation.com
lol

>>2543435
Since you don't know what light is, we'll go ahead and say Telsa > you.

Hell, the pigeon > you has a shot.

>>2543439
More than twice that long. 370 days. and yes, very real, and yes, very much documented by many ancient civilizations.

>>2543453
>lol
not an argument

>>2543398

A non Christian can't say Jesus is Lord out loud?

>>2543441
He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad.

--Jesus of Nazareth

I thought I made it pretty clear that if I were going to just give anyone my opinion, I would label it as such.

>>2543452
Which Denomination of Christianity is the real one?

>>2543447
Maybe one day it will be you.

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>>2543464
Biblical Christianity.

>>2543451
And Tesla knew Einstein was a lying, cheating, thieving fool. A "beggar in purple robes" who could not even pass a university entrance exam, and whose sole accomplishment in the workplace was to go from 3rd class patent clerk to 2nd class patent clerk.

>>2543448
For a guy who was whining about people claiming to know things about him, you're sure making a lot of assumptions. I'm not bringing up any of that shit because I don't remember most of it at this point and because I already know most of your mental gymnastics at this point: they're trite and unconvincing, only fucking idiots take this shit seriously. Not even the major religious institutions take this shit literally anymore.

>>2543451
>>2543456
Being smart doesn't mean he can't be crazy.

>>2543458
He doesn't need an argument for the same reason you don't go to a mental ward to argue with the patients.

>>2543460
Again, it's a 2 part process.

Romans 10
“The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

Do you know Jesus died for your sins?
Can you say "Jesus is Lord" out loud, right now?
Do you believe in your heart God raised Jesus from the dead?

>>2543439
Creation, Flood, Babel, Resurrection.

These are the major historical moments that God-haters deny and pretend never happened.

>>2543464
They're all infected with varying degrees incorrect doctrines and irrational superstitions. The true Gospel, present in many of them, involves simply

1. Repentance of sins [acknowledging vices, declaring INTENTION, however fruitful, of turning from them]

2. Belief in the fundamental doctrines of Christianity, ideally for rational reasons.

From there the true Christian is known by his effort, however frustrated and flimsy, of making good on that intention. The ultimate goal will be completed only at the resurrection, where sin is obliterated completely.

>>2543474
That's a lot of something in response to "nothing".

>>2543477
Yup. That's where the world and satan hit hardest. That's why Darwin made so many atheists.

>>2543470
I think you're confusing Edison and Einstein.

>>2543479
Nope. This. >>2543476

Nothing in that verse says anything about repentance of sins. Nor would I trust you to know what the "fundamental doctrines of Christianity" were, since you think they could somehow be held irrationally.

>>2543408
>>2543450
Also, what you are calling "Darwinism" is actually evolution AND abiogenesis.

>>2543488
http://www.biblestudytools.com/topical-verses/repentance-bible-verses/

Even the demons believe, and tremble. Salvation requires repentance and belief, and the latter primarily to facilitate the former.

And yes, its entirely possible to hold true opinions for false reasons, just look at the mess you've made of the thread.

>>2543484
Another known thief and liar.

Einstein was a fraud, and the sooner people realize it, the better.

>>2543502
So, how many scientific fields have you revolutionized?

>>2543500
I just have to assume you're a papist at this point.

I just showed you salvation from Paul in the 10th chapter of romans which said NOTHING about repentance or forgiveness of sins.

Papists.

not even once.

>>2543477
trey smith covers this stuff really interestingly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lktmmd7YnD8

>>2543505
None. I deal with things that are always true, not with things that are always wrong.

Tesla gave you 80-85% of everything you enjoy today. Einstein gave you nothing, invented nothing, revolutionized nothing, and stole everything.

>>2543476

I feel like anyone can say anything out loud.

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>>2543505