Was haplogroup J in Europe prior to the Islamic invasion?

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>GRECO-ROMAN, Anatolian, Mesopotamian

Gee, I wonder.

>>2541135
I read somewhere that it spread from the middle east to all around the mediterranean in the times of the roman empire. Can't remember the source (maybe eupedia) but you can look it up.

>>2541135

We don't really know for sure.
It's not Neolithic that's for sure.

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Why does no one ever talk about mtDNA haplogroups? Is it because women don't matter?

>>2541167
Yup.

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>>2541163
Your map is so inaccurate I cringed

>Terramare was only in Northen Italy
>Lydia didn't exist until the Bronze age
>lycia is actually in South west Anatolia for fuck's sake
>Pontus kingdom didn't exist
>Macedonia wasn't a kingdom

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>>2541151
It's from the fucking Copper Age you retard. There was another migration from the Near East to Europe during this time that was responsible for spreading metallurgy to the continent. South Euros cluster close to Copper Age Anatolia.

>>2541167

Because pretty much everywhere in Europe, there is the same mtDNA haploshits.

It's easy for women to spread their genes around since they just have to walk and open their legs. It's hard for men to displace other men since that generally requires killing and oppression.

>>2541185
Fuck off mysoginistic retard

>>2541176

Some say Basque language comes from Copper age Anatolian J men who got cucked by R1b Indo-Europeans while in Europe in a brutally dominant manner. It makes so much sense since Basque language is similar to Caucasus languages.

>>2541190

Okay how about this?

>Pretty much everywhere in Europe there is the same mtDNA haploshits because women are wise and amazing and don't care for ethnic and linguistic boundaries as they are social constructs made by men

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>>2541201
Nonsense. There is little to no West Asian admixture in Iberia. Basques are a weird blandaupp of Neolithic farmers and Indo-Europeans. They managed to keep their language while being massively cucked by the latter somehow.

>>2541215

Why are women not allowed to migrate from place to place like men are in history?

>>2541216

Anatolians 5000 years ago would have been transitional between the original Neolithic farmers and later Anatolians.
Also they might not have a huge amount of the original Vasconic DNA anyway since their maternal lines exhibit large scale continuity in their region. Their language probably still came from the Balkans.

>>2541176
Thanks for calling me a retard when I was just trying to help, I'm sure pol is proud of you. Anyways I suppose you were talking about the cardial culture that spread from the levant to southwestern europe ?

>>2541220

But their migration patterns are different and less informative because women don't spread languages and cultures in the same way as males do.

>>2541220
Because women are weak and other lands are full of men who will turn them into sex slaves.

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>>2541229
The original Neolithic farmers were most similar to modern Sardinians. Basques form a continuum with the Spaniards and French while Sardinians are completely genetically isolated from everyone. There was a massive genetic shift in Anatolia during the Copper Age though: >>2541176

>>2541252

Doesn't matter. The theory still works. You don't need population replacement to spread language and we know people moved into the Balkans from the spread of J.

John Bengtson has found ample evidence of cognates and shared features between Basque and North Caucasian languages but his work was dismissed by Vasconists as "impossible" and "absurd" because their heads were stuck in paleolithic Aurochs assholes.

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Etruscans were high on J2. The theory that they came from Anatolia is only correct in the sense that it was during the Chalcolithic. They weren't recent immigrants.

>>2541135

Why are there no foreign haplogroups in Spain? So much for the "Muslims rape your women" meme.

>>2541150
So it came from the middle east?

>>2541252
What happened during the copper age in Anatolia?

>>2541252
How come Sardinians are so isolated if the Romans deported/killed about 80,000 of them in one campaign and installed their colonies on Sardinia, not to mention all the previous Phoenician cities on the island, it makes no sense to me

>>2541398

They aren't really. There's an internal population structure there with only the highlanders being the kind of Sardinians you see on genetic maps because the languages are from select villages.

>>2541405

samples not languages

>>2541405
That's what I thought, probably those are just Sardinians from Ogliastra (The central-Eastern parts isolated because of the mountains)

>>2541398

It's hilarious reading ancient stories about how people killed "80,000" people. There weren't even 80,000 people on the planet.

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>>2541398
>>2541405
>>2541428
When you sample them from multiple regions it doesn't look much different. Only a small minority are shifted to Italy. The Phoenicians and Romans never bothered colonizing the biggest portion of Sardinia, only the coastal areas.

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>>2541543
There are some towns that have zero Indo-European ancestry also.

>>2541554
Now post one of Sicily

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>>2541598
Don't have any like that for them. They aren't much different from peninsular southerners.