If God hates gay people, why did he create them? Whether they

>>2538080
Spoiler: It's actually just the Christians that hate Gay people. Christians hate everyone who isn't them, as you've probably noticed.

>>2538087
>Christians that just hate gay people
>Ignoring Muslims

>>2538087
how brave of you to leave out orthodox jews and muslims. yes go for the christians, edgelord

>>2538080
God all gives us challenges to overcome in life some are harder than others. He makes gay for them to overcome their sexuality and renounce sin to be true to God and the faith. Thus Heaven is upon them. However if they ignore the faith of God and adhere to their gayness they are ignoring the plan in which God has laid before them. Thus ignoring god, heaven and perusing a life of sin. Thus if one is Gay for the same sex then one is doomed to hell as those of Sodom and Gomorrah were doomed.
God has set thy examples before and sent to hell those who sin and ignor God. God is just in this reason and has signaled to the world what happens to those who kill, steal, and commit sodomy. If you are ignorant enough and foolish enough to denounce God's reason then you are fool who shall burn in hell.

>>2538080
same as this guy >>2538137
also this is /pol/ worthy so gtfo

>>2538080
Even a god needs something to laugh at

>>2538080
Who are you to critique the Creator of the Universe?

Who the fuck do you think you are?

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>>2538080
He did it 4 the laffs

>>2538080
Boredom mostly.

>>2538080

If god hates
>sinners
why did he create them?

Great question.

>>2538210
>Sinners were created, not beings "good" in the eyes of God, who then rebelled against God and subsequently became evil.

>>2538080
UNDER THE SWORD!

>>2538137
Why does God have something against sexuality in general?

>create sinners
>they sin
>get mad about it

literally a petulant child

>>2538080
God gives everyone challenges. God made most men want to fuck women, but lust is still a sin

>>2538293
He doesn't. He designed it. He designed one man and one woman to be merged into one flesh through sexual intercourse.

Sex is too powerful to be handled outside of a marriage, outside of a committed for life blood contract. Doing it wrong causes all kinds of heartache and death.

Doing it right provides all sorts of joys and wonders.

So people take what God gives us, pleasurable sexual relations between a husband and wife, take it out of that context, and bastardize it to the point where people are literally having sex with strangers and wondering why their lives are so empty and meaningless.

>>2538294
Show me where God got mad at the sinners.

Show me God being petulant.

Such projection. such hubris.

>>2538137
Is it sodomy in particular that Christianity has a problem with or is it the malexmale relationship? I.e. are all people who participate in anal sex sinning? And would a gay relationship minus any pentrative intercourse be okay?

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>>2538301
can you explain why multiple stories in the bible, most notably thd jesus story, is exactly like another myth 600 years before his birth?

Is making it look like the entire doctrine was just copied from someone else just a test from God? Did he also make our logical faculties cringe at the thought of the contradictions and hypocrisy and obvious stupid bullshit present in the bible that was inevitably proven bullshit by science, all as a test? I can't believe God only wants retards in heaven, seems odd company. Maybe he doesn't want anyone around questioning him.

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>>2538294
i dont think you know what petulant means.

>>2538347
What other sin do people prize, glorify in, and have parades for? What other sin is "socially acceptable" to describe and identify yourself as?

Do you think it only Christians who are bothered by the LGBTQFWTFBBQMONKEY crowd?

>>2538293
idk... I'm not God.
But desu if I was God and I made this awesome being literally just for a man and then that said man decided "nah fuck that I'ma go fuck buttholes for like." I'd be kinda pissed.
same goes for women where I make this man just for women and they decide "nah ima just have this girl lick my vag instead" Id be pissed.
Like if im god and i went through all this trouble just to make perfect counterparts for one another sex then that sex just decides to ignor me... id be like not uh, you going straight to hell dont pass go dont collect $200

>>2538351
There is no "Jesus story".

Is there a "(you) story"? Or are you a real person?

>>2538361
God calls that "leaving the natural use for that which is inconvenient".

And of course it's in direct disobedience to "be fruitful and multiply and cover the earth".

>>2538332
how about that time he cursed adam and eve? Or that time he flooded the entire world and genocided everyone except for one family? Or the time he destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, or the time he fucked up the egyptians, or the time he ordered Moses to slaughter half the jews after that? Or the time he ordered the jews to slaughter everyone in the Holy land, or the time he got pissed that humans made a tower too tall and he cursed them all again, I could go on. I've read the Bible as a former christian, after all.

>>2538366
look up mithra. or read about it in the picture I know you didn't actually read

It's all about free will. Basically, take the whole parable of the trees, where the ones that bear good fruit are kept and the ones that bear bad fruit are cut down. God does not want robots, nor does he want the ones causing the problems in heaven.

>>2538361
'A high level of discourse is expected'

>>2538087
Literally every religion hates gay people. Except maybe Catholicism.

>>2538377
You think those curses were mean?

Let's say you're right. God was mean and should not have cursed Adam and Eve. Or the serpent, or the earth. Just exile, and be done with it.

So now here you are, 6000 years later. You are born in paradise, all your needs are met, everyone is living happily in abundance and but for a few wars now and then, life is pain free and easy.

And then you die and go to hell for an eternity because it never occurred to you that anything was wrong. That anything was broken. That anything was, in fact, cursed.

Mean? No, it's not mean to give your fingers heat sensors to keep your hands out of the fire. It's not mean to give you taste buds to know not to eat your own shit.

Nor was God "petulant" or mean when he went about exiling them, or protecting Cain who had just murdered his first prophet, Abel, etc.

Everyone on earth but for Noah's family had contaminated DNA. They were no longer human. You weep for hybrid monsters who would rend your soul in hell if they could.

Sodom and Gomorrah were God's visible declaration of what he would not put up with. And yet, people still act worse than the people in Sodom and Gomorrah. That should lead you to "people are broken", not "God is mean".

The Egyptians had enslaved the Hebrews. Now you're rooting for slave owners? On top of that enslavement, they had murdered all of their male babies. You're rooting for infanticide perpetrators?

Are you not evil?

Moses never slaughtered half the Jews; that would be millions. The rebellion of Korah met their end by the earth opening up and swallowing them.

The people in the holy land had 400 years to repent, and did nothing but become more wicked. More wicked than anything you've ever seen or heard of. Killing them was a mercy.

Again, rebellion against God in the Tower of Babel: God says spread out and occupy the earth, and men say let's all cluster together and invade heaven.

You root for the rebels. The satanic rebels.

>>2538384
Look it up from sources that predate Jesus. He was not born of a virgin; he's a myth who stepped out of a rock.

Zeitgeist was not a documentary.

>>2538398
Self-hating ones do.

>>2538347
So here's the thing sodomy for 2000 years has been debated over as to how it should be defined so to answer that first part, it is open ended.

I think youre being too broad however. It isnt that Christianity as a whole has a problem with it. Though hardcore Christians will argue that it is a sin no matter what and that any male on male as well as female and female sexual relationship is a sin. The act of same sex relationships is a taboo in many cultures, but then again it is also embraced in some as well. Western society as well as the middle east, south america, and Africa all have ties to the bible which happens to be where Sodomy and the overall act of same sex relationship is determined sinful or taboo. Christianity had a major role in politics up until just recently when the separation of Church and State started to occur across the globe. As for Governments in middle east where Religion still has a major role, the taboo of course is still alive to an extent.

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I think that people actually just worship themselves, but they don't want to seem arrogant so they make up a huge version of themselves in space and say they worship that thing.

That's the only way God makes sense, it's a supernatural version of our human traits.
Otherwise why would people assume that God cared about humans or anything?

>>2538409
>And then you die and go to hell for an eternity because it never occurred to you that anything was wrong.
Wow your God sure is a fucking asshole.

>>2538421
Many people do that. They worship not the one true God, but the god they imagined as the one true God, not knowing that they are worshiping a figment of their imagination.

>>2538409
do you even realize how insane and retarded you are? Sometimes I forget fanaticism still exists and then I go on 4chan and read these long walls of confirmation bias.

explain mithra. like right now.

EVERYONE RIGHT NOW IN THIS THREAD SHUT THE FUCK UP AND EXPLAIN MITHRA

M
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this kills the christianity

>>2538415
Is Hare Krishna self-hating? Because some gayfag went to seek acceptance in the Krishna general thread on /x/ and got BTFO. I can't recall any religion that thinks homosexuality is normal.

>>2538431
By making sure that didn't happen, he's an asshole.

Just can't win with you types, can we.

Let you know there's a problem? Assholes.

Don't let you know there's a problem? Assholes.

>>2538436
It doesn't kill anything. The differences between Jesus and the mythical Mithra are profound.

>>2538437
Kind of surprised they're still around. That sort of eastern mysticism seemed to have died off in the 90's.

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>>2538412
>sources

that you won't be providing I take it.

>>2538434
What makes your imaginary God true unlike the other imaginary Gods?

>>2538436
Claim: Mithras was born of a virgin on December 25th, in a cave, attended by shepherds

Truth: Mithras was actually born out of solid rock, leaving a hole in the side of a mountain (presumably described as a “cave”). He was not born of a virgin (unless you consider the rock mountain to have been a virgin). Shepherds are part of Mithraism, witnessing his birth and helping Mithras emerge from the rock, but interestingly, the shepherds exist in the birth chronology at a time when humans are not supposed to have been yet born. This, coupled with the fact the earliest version of this part of the Mithraic mythology emerges one hundred years after the appearance of the New Testament, infers it is far more likely this portion of Mithraism was borrowed from Christianity rather than the other way around.

>>2538448
Just started. >>2538455

: The Origins of the Mithraic Mysteries (Cosmology and Salvation in the Ancient World) by David Ulansey (Oxford University Press, 1989), Mithras, the Secret God by M. J. Vermaseren (Barnes and Noble Publishers, 1963), and Mithraic Studies (Proceedings of the First International Congress of Mithraic Studies – 2 Volumes) edited by John R Hinnells (Manchester University Press, 1975).

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The level of ignorance turned into weaponized autism in this thread is astronomical.

>>2538441
cool sources bro

I see now that your fanaticism has blinded you to reason, even when it's virtually impossible for a logical mind to not immediately realize it's all bullshit as soon as they learn about Mithra, but considering you people believe the Earth is 6000 years old, there's not much middle ground between us I take it

>>2538450
I don't have one. I worship the one true God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who manifested himself on earth as Jesus Christ. I worship him because he is worthy of worship, and he alone.

>>2538467
Do try to keep up with the thread. >>2538461

>>2538137

Hey buddy. The story of Lot is less about faggotry and more about the gang rape of an angel.

>>2538445
Hinduism is still around. 1,1 billion strong. They think gays are degenerate.

>>2538455
Claim: Mithras had 12 companions or disciples

Truth: There is no evidence for any of this in the traditions of Iran or Rome. It is possible the idea Mithras had 12 disciples is simply derived from murals in which Mithras is surrounded by twelve signs and personages of the Zodiac (two of whom are the moon and the sun). Even this imagery is post Christian, and, therefore, did not contribute to the imagery of Christianity (although it could certainly have borrowed from Christianity).

Claim: Mithras sacrificed himself for world peace
Truth: There is little or no evidence this is true, although there is a story about Mithras slaying a threatening bull in a heroic deed. But that’s about as close as it gets.

Claim: Mithras was buried in a tomb and after three days rose again, and Mithras was celebrated each year at the time of His resurrection (later to become Easter)
Truth: There is nothing in the Mithraic tradition indicating he ever even died, let alone resurrected. Tertullian did write about Mithraic believers re-enacting resurrection scenes, but he wrote about this occurring well after New Testament times. Christianity could not, therefore, have borrowed from Mithraic traditions, but the opposite could certainly be true.

>>2538477
I believe I posted that it is not only Christians who have a problem with the LBBTQRSWTFBBQMONKEY crowd. So thanks for the support, I guess?

>>2538455
Claim: Mithras was called “the Good Shepherd”, and was identified with both the Lamb and the Lion
Truth: There is no evidence that Mithras was ever called “the Good Shepherd” or identified with a lamb, but since Mithras was a sun-god, there was an association with Leo (the House of the Sun in Babylonian astrology), so one might say he was associated with a Lion. But once again, all of this evidence is actually post New Testament; Mithraic believers may once again have borrowed this attribute from Christianity.

Claim: Mithras was considered to be the “Way, the Truth and the Light,” and the “Logos,” “Redeemer,” “Savior” and “Messiah.”
Truth: Based on the researched and known historic record of the Mithraic traditions, none of these terms has ever been applied to Mithras with the exception of “mediator”. But this term was used in a very different from how Christians used the term. Mithras was not the mediator between God and man but the mediator between the good and evil gods of Zoroaster.

>>2538455
Claim: Mithraic believers celebrated Sunday as Mithras’ sacred day (also known as the “Lord’s Day,”)
Truth: This tradition of celebrating Sunday is only true of Mithraic believers in Rome and it is a tradition that dates to post Christian times. Once again, it is more likely to have been borrowed from Christianity than the other way around.

Claim: Mithraic believers celebrated a Eucharist or “Lord’s Supper”
Truth: Followers of Mithras did not celebrate a Eucharist, but they did celebrate a fellowship meal regularly, just as did many other groups in the Roman world.

>>2538436

Is that enough Mithra myth for you today?

>>2538483
No prob m8.

>>2538492
>There is no evidence that Mithras was ever called “the Good Shepherd” or identified with a lamb, but since Mithras was a sun-god, there was an association with Leo (the House of the Sun in Babylonian astrology), so one might say he was associated with a Lion. But once again, all of this evidence is actually post New Testament; Mithraic believers may once again have borrowed this attribute from Christianity.
>>2538487
>>2538481
>>2538455
In case you're wondering, this retard is literally copy-pasting some bullshit off of a bias christian website he found on google literally just now

http://coldcasechristianity.com/2014/is-jesus-simply-a-retelling-of-the-mithras-mythology/

Zeitgeist babies BTFO.

>>2538500
Yes, that is correct. Men who studies this topic and left behind their sources. >>2538461

What did you add to the conversation again?

>>2538431
HAHAHA IM GONNA APPLY MY CHILDISH MORALITY ONTO AN ETERNAL AND PERFECT BEING HAHA ITS ALL RELATIVE BRO

>>2538492
>>2538487
>>2538481
>>2538461
>>2538455
>hur dur let me copy paste shit from the first google article I found

retard

>>2538500
I mean, you haven't really posted much to support your claim...

>>2538509
What a scholarly refutation.

>He googles better than I do.

>>2538436
DUDE THINGS HAPPEN IN ONE TELLING OF A STORY AND IN ANOTHER SO ITS ALL RELATIVE BRO HAHA IM A NIHILIST

>>2538467
HAHA REASON BRO IM SO INTELLIGENT HAHA EVERYBODY THAT DISAGREES WITH ME IS DUMB

>>2538080
Isn't it just generally well understood that God created humans..... AND THEN GAVE THEM FREE WILL??

Or do you just literally deliberately ignore points that invalidate your argument before it even gets off the ground?

>>2538469
What makes you prefer your imaginary God to the other imaginary Gods?

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>>2538137
*makes you gay*
>It's just a test bro!

>>2538508
But that's literally what Christians do, they claim that God is a divine perfect being that is beyond human conception but then inexplicably assume he acts like some hateful redneck like themselves.

>>2538525
>imaginary
HAHA THERE IS NO GOD BRO THERE I SAID IT SO THERE CLEARLY IS NONE HAHA ITS ALL RELATIVE BRO

>>2538525
His existence.

>>2538532
Tough test. Tough temptation. Super stoked I never had to deal with it. It ruins people's lives, literally.

>>2538536
What? Did you just pull that out of your ass?

THIS PERSON
IS SAYING THINGS I DISLIKE
HE MUST BE A REDNECK AND THINK THIS BEING IS ALSO A REDNECK LOL HAHA ITS ALL RELATIVE BRO

>>2538398
I don't think Buddhists care.

Could be wrong.

>>2538536
Someone should have told you that God is capable of communicating with us, even if we are incapable of fully comprehending the nature of that communication.

>>2538538
Imaginary things don't exist by definition.

>>2538550
Correct.

Which is why I love the risen Christ Jesus so much.

He's more real than you are.

>>2538549
Don't you think it's a little suspicious when someone wants to have a perfect and divine God but then also wants their God to uphold all their petty and vindictive human frailties at the same time?

I don't trust people like that.

>>2538565
whomst beest thoumst quoteth?

>>2538436
"Allegations of an early Christian dependence on Mithraism have been rejected on many grounds. Mithraism had no concept of the death and resurrection of its god and no place for any concept of rebirth - at least during its early stages.... During the early stages of the cult, the notion of rebirth would have been foreign to its basic outlook.... Moreover, Mithraism was basically a military cult. Therefore, one must be skeptical about suggestions that it appealed to nonmilitary people like the early Christians."

Yamauchi, Edwin M. . "Easter: Myth, Hallucination, or History?." March 29, 1974.

>>2538536
>some hateful redneck

Christianity =/= American meme christianity

And the only thing that is 'redneck' like in the bible is the condemnation of sodomy, which has been explained multiple times in this thread. And even if it is a seemingly illogical conclusion, it doesn't negate the thousands of years of Christian theology because the gays really aren't that important as a subgroup of humanity.

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>>2538541
Imagine being gay in the 1960s.

>>2538565
Such a person would be aware of God, but not transformed by God.

As they say, Jesus loves you just as you are, but he loves you too much to leave you just as you are.

>>2538556
I am afraid you are skitzophrenic.

>>2538541
No it doesn't. Stop memeing yourself.

>>2538579
How can an imaginary concept transform someone? Would this be what they call a "meme"?

>>2538572
This

>>2538580
I am afraid you are diagnosing people over the internet. And without a spell checker.

>>2538584
Shatters not only their lives, but the lives of their entire family and extended family as well.

>>2538589
It couldn't.

Which is why I love the transforming power of the Holy Spirit of God so much. It's real.

>>2538593
If you love and cherish an imaginary person, that's schizophrenia in my book.

>>2538080
Homosexuality is a disease, and like all disease, it is a result of the fall of mankind through which sin and death corrupted the world.

>>2538593
>Shatters not only their lives, but the lives of their entire family and extended family as well.
I bet you hate pedos though.

Virtue-signaling brat.
>>2538601
anything i dislike is a mental illness

>HUR DUR LOOK HOW RETARDED US CHRISTIANS ARE HUR DUR MUH 6000 HUR DUR BIBLE MYTHS ACTUALLY HAPPENED HUR DUR

the thread

ever time

>>2538509
You got blown the fuck out son, just save yourself some dignity and stop posting.

>>2538622
>christians just google and copy+paste articles written by other christians and blindly believe whatever pseudo "smart guy" argues for what they believe in

the only thing that got btfo in this thread is a proper argument

>>2538584
You think someone getting outed doesn't ruin their life? People kill themselves over this shit.

>>2538294
>build toaster
>put in bread
>it toasts
>condemn my toaster to eternal hellfire for the crime of toasting
>all toasters toast toast

>>2538629
lets be real, both sides are doing this shit. The only difference is that the fedoras aren't literally copypasting articles.

>>2538409
>god will punish us for doing things because our ancestor did a thing
Why does Eve's bad descision rub off on me? I didn't do anything.

>>2538642
it's funny too because he tried to play it off like it was his words, like we wouldn't just google that shit ourselves and figure it out, as if a christian is really smart enough to start shitting out paragraphs with sources.

>>2538632
That's their choice. I wouldn't even say murder is ruining of a life, nor life in prison or anything short of being forced to 'live' as a vegetable for a few decades (if that is even possible).
>>2538645
Yes you did.

>>2538645
I don't think anyone is going to explain fully the concept of original sin in a thread this full of b8 and shitposting, it's an incredibly theologically dense topic.

>>2538629
>if you google it, it doesn't count
Do you care about the truth or just about intellectual masturbation for the sake of it, kiddo?

>>2538645
404 How did the sin of Adam become the sin of all his descendants? The whole human race is in Adam "as one body of one man".293 By this "unity of the human race" all men are implicated in Adam's sin, as all are implicated in Christ's justice. Still, the transmission of original sin is a mystery that we cannot fully understand. But we do know by Revelation that Adam had received original holiness and justice not for himself alone, but for all human nature. By yielding to the tempter, Adam and Eve committed a personal sin, but this sin affected the human nature that they would then transmit in a fallen state.294 It is a sin which will be transmitted by propagation to all mankind, that is, by the transmission of a human nature deprived of original holiness and justice. And that is why original sin is called "sin" only in an analogical sense: it is a sin "contracted" and not "committed" - a state and not an act.

405 Although it is proper to each individual,295 original sin does not have the character of a personal fault in any of Adam's descendants. It is a deprivation of original holiness and justice, but human nature has not been totally corrupted: it is wounded in the natural powers proper to it, subject to ignorance, suffering and the dominion of death, and inclined to sin - an inclination to evil that is called concupiscence". Baptism, by imparting the life of Christ's grace, erases original sin and turns a man back towards God, but the consequences for nature, weakened and inclined to evil, persist in man and summon him to spiritual battle.

>>2538661
do you realize that you're a walking confirmation bias?

Do you at least understand that believing everything a book says and going through whatever loops possible to justify a book is the opposite of the scientific method? The opposite of logic and reason? Like, I'm genuinely concerned that after reading the definition of confirmation bias (that I'm sure you just googled if the rest of this thread is any indication) you still dont see how that fits your mindset perfectly. Perhaps you do realize it but you just push it down deep into the recesses of your mind.

God, if he exists, is an evil cunt. He does not deserve to be worshipped.

>>2538666
It's almost like we have had several councils over thousands of years where we figured this stuff out and argued about what was right and wrong. It's honestly a shame that people don't want to read them, they are beautiful works.

>>2538675
http://www.ewtn.com/v/experts/showmessage_print.asp?number=388797&language=en

>>2538692
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p1s2c1p7.htm

>>2538686
Ouch all that edge

>>2538420
Yeah that's great, but it relates to culture. I want a theological perspective on the hypothetical situations i put forth.

I'm asking specifically what is it that Christianity (lets say Catholic for the sake of argument) supposedly considers, according to god's law, a sin? We know that most of God's laws relate to specific behaviors - don't kill, don't steal, ect,ect. So what behavior in relation to homosexuality is it the Christianity want's to prohibit, and for what purpose? Is it the act of sodomy specifically? And then ergo, any sodomite, which happens to include homosexuals? Or is there something in the bible or in God's law that specifically talks about same sex relationships in a broader sense?

>>2538693
ah, I see. This isn't a discussion, it's a deathmatch to see who can quote the most bias google articles

>>2538694
Not any edgier than Christians who believe people deserve to burn and suffer for eternity just because they don't believe in their deity.

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>>2538694
>>2538686

>>2538682
>confirmation bias
muh lawwwwwwjik
>that I'm sure you just googled if the rest of this thread is any indication)
HAHAHAHA YOU DISAGREE WITH ME YOU MUST BE FUCKING STUPID HAHA IM SMART YORU FUCKING STUPID

Did you just learn this trash last week in your logic 101 course?
Life-denying child.
>>2538686
muh fefes
my petulant child morality applies to a being that is absolutely boundless and incomprehensible
>>2538702
there's a bias, so the source itself is wrong

>>2538702
I'm literally posting what christians believe since you autistic gits can't figure it out.

>>2538709
you believe the earth is 6000 years old and that an ancient religion is relevant and correct in the 21st century. This is literal insanity, so it's either retarded or insane pick your poison.

>>2538682
You sure got memed out of existence.
>muh ideology is popular that means im right everybody else is wrong and also stupid
>>2538718
ANYBODY IS DONT LIKE IS THIS
IF YOU DONT BELIEVE MY IDEOLOGY YOUR FUCKING STUPID
IF YOU LIKE THING I DONT LIKE YORU FUCKING STUPID
>>2538721
HAHAHAH WE IDEOLOGUES THINK THE UNIVERSE IS BIG, SO ITS ALL JUST A LIE ITS ALL RELATIVE BRO

>>2538709
>my petulant child morality applies to a being that is absolutely boundless and incomprehensible
Literally what Christians do, they apply all their bigotry and hatred for their fellow human beings as being ordered by their imaginary God to justify being assholes.

>>2538718
>ignores all of the scientific progress christianity has given humanity

"Hurr durr 6000 years old I know what you believe"

Honestly, you know what your idiot protestant or lukewarm parents believed. You are right for rejecting that.

>>2538709
normal person
>sees contradiction
>ah, so one or the other is wrong
christian
>sees contradiction
>ABLOO BLOO SEE REALLY ITS ALL LIKE THIS SEE...

>>2538080
So what went on in Sodom and Gomorrah?

>>2538709
>muh lawwwwwwjik
The entirety of all argument and debate has been completely disregarded by this poster, all forms of argumentation around the facts as we know them have been thrown out in two words, i've got two words for you.
Fuck.
You.

>>2538726
christianity was important in retaining structure after the roman empire fell, and so you can make the argument you made from that. However, when science really took off and starting becoming more popular, it was christianity that held it back.

So it is responsible for both preserving and holding back science.

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Homosexuality is wrong and disgusting but I don't need a jewish god to tell me that.

>>2538709
Look, I understand the inherent flaw behind trying to apply reason and causation behind theology and things like that, but caps locking straw-men isn't making you look any smarter.

>>2538736
>Scientific method
>genetics
>big bang
>everything descartes wrote
> church spends the equivilant of millions in todays money on universities because study of God's creation is worship

"GUYS THE CHURCH OPPRESSED GALILEO SO ITS EVIL"

>>2538141
I can guarantee most of /pol/ is atheist just like the rest of 4chan

>>2538689
They really are. It sickens me that people are still having the same surface level meme arguments about the existence of God about a decade after new atheism gained traction.

It's pretty funny though that one of the foundations of New atheism was that Religion stunted the intellectual growth of humanity and you see people now who have barely moved past fundamental axioms.

>>2538749
>catholic "schools"
>teach you everything...
>except anything that contradicts the bible

cool schools bro

>>2538762
>ask that you provide proof for your assertions
>continue teaching the theory without it to masses of peasants

It's almost like they wanted idiots to not be confused or something.

>>2538725
>anybody i dont like is a fucking bigot white male
>haha god DOESNT FUCKING EXIST BECUASE I SAID SO
>>2538728
>contradiction is bad because le greek boy molester said so
really fires my neurons
The idea that reason is accurate came from Christianity, and before that paganism, you know. Under your ideology there is no non-contradictory stance that allows the defense of the concept. Hence, the very concept cannibalizes itself.

It must be cozy being a Letzter Mensch.
>>2538735
>lawwwwwwwjik and raisins are good because i said so and if you disagree ill insult you!
>>2538736
>ignorance
Science is childish ideology and cannibalizing ideology.
>>2538748
These aren't strawmen, this is exactly what you are saying through a different lens.

I don't care if I look smart, I'm not an insecure child.
>>2538762
Wrong actually, Jesuit schools for example will often teach arguments for the nonexistence of God. It follows in scholastic tradition.

You kids should love that crap, without the Catholic Church there would be none of your beloved ideology in the West.

>>2538759
>"new atheism"
are you implying atheism is new, or that somehow it has significantly changed? Because it's not. And it hasn't.

>>2538767
>hur dur why dont we have creationism in schools hur dur

>>2538768
it's embarrassing to be an adult and believe in fairytales. You should get help

>>2538768
except they literally are, and I don't care what you are, you're still making yourself look like a butthurt baby.

>>2538375
>following the rules
Lol look at this square

>>2538768
>>>lawwwwwwwjik and raisins are good because i said so and if you disagree ill insult you!
What was his endgame?

Ok let's ignore logic and reason for a while and just post our feelings.

I feel that you are a stupid dummy.

>>2538779
>haha you disagree with me your fucking stupid and crazy haha
>>2538780
What literally are? Why would I care if I look like a 'butthurt baby'?
>>2538790
You've been memed into believing a false dichotomy, Nice. Dirty dogmatist.

>>2538779
No Atheism isn't new but the 'New atheism' movement; Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris etc. is new.

There are hundreds of arguments against the existence of God and you're resulting to strawmen.

>it's embarrassing to be an adult and believe in fairytales. You should get help.

literally emotional woman on her period tier argument.

>>2538790
christians dismiss logic in every internet argument. Then they continue to "argue" with "logic" It's pretty embarassing

>>2538797
Atheism has been around since the dawn of man, it's what you should normally believe without the interference of religion. It has gained mainstream popularity since the French revolution, which happened over 2 centuries ago, so not really all that "new"

>>2538796
The strawmen you keep spouting. instead of coherently arguing his point you eat it, caps it, and shit it back out. You looking like a baby literally detracts credibility, and at this point, you just feel like bait.

>>2538804
>it's what you should normally believe

LOL get a load of this nut

>>2538812
people dont normally believe in a magical man in the sky unless a religion tells them to. You didn't see that wild child with the wolves praying to jesus, you didn't see hunter gatherers worshipping some idea of extradimensional gods while they're out killing game and picking berries. You dont see religion until you see agriculture

>>2538798
I'm working on your grounds. My arguments are better than yours, because I actually have arguments when I feel like it whereas you have absolutely nothing. You don't even love your new idol, you infidel.
>>2538804
Wrong, atheism is a sickness. It is a lack of something intrinsic, not a normative state that all others deviate from.

The frogs tried to replace God with an idol, and look how it turned out for them. Godlessness results in mass rape and murder, propaganda, and so on.
>>2538816
>magical man in the sky
Grow up, strawmen aren't arguments. You like those right? Learn to use them.
>>2538809
Why would I care if I appear credible?

>>2538822
I'm not sure what's more stupid: taking the word of a 1600 year old book at face value, or using confirmation bias at every step of the way to make it work in the 21st century, all the while not realizing how much of a retarded confirmation bias the whole thing really is.

>>2538804
I know that, I never said it wasn't. 'New Atheism' is a literal descriptive term for a group of Atheist, Secular Intellectuals from the early 21st century like Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens etc.

I'm saying that a lot of the arguments in this thread are the same ones that were thrown about a decade ago when it gained popularity on the internet and it's tiresome to see them still being used.

>it's what you should normally believe without the interference of religion

Every human civilisation has had a concept of the metaphysical, whether it's true or not. 'Religion' as a monolith that forces views on people is a misconception; mans innate curiosity creates Religions and Religions become corrupted by man.

To say that man does not have an innate desire to know of the metaphysical or afterlife and to create a narrative about it is pretty stupid.

>>2538796
If I gave you a false dichotomy, would you instantly agree unquestioningly with your entire soul, or would you bitterly and resentfully disagree like a fool? Choose only one.
btw join my cult, its TRUE and REAL not like those other cults

>>2538822
are you the "laaawwwjjjiiikkk" guy?

>>2538830
to believe that "man's innate desire to know of the metaphysical" and his inevitable "creat[ion] of a narrative" is the right answer is folly. To believe that the literal first attempt at understanding the universe is the right one is folly. To foolishly use confirmation bias to try to make a foolish first attempt make sense is the height of folly

>>2538829
>its old so its fucking wrong fucking GOATFUCKERS REEE

uh uh abloobloo confirmation bias if i keep repeating this thing i just learned about in class today he'll go away haha arugmument won!
Fuck off, ideologue.
>>2538835
>i dont understand faith
>anything i dont like is le cult
The West really is sick.

>>2538851
but you're literally a walking confirmation bias. You'll mindlessly defend every sentence of the bible and whenever there's a problem with it you'll google search some christian's confirmation bias and immediately absorb it as truth with absolutely no further thought.

And now you're angrily mashing at your keyboard because the mean internet people are using "logic" and it's hurting your brain

>>2538851
Lawjikboy doesn't like being on the spot to indulge my self-serving joke?
Gee funny how that doesn't feel good, does it.
Now you know how everyone feels when the Christians try to sell their insane fantasy shit.

>>2538859
UR STUPID BECAUSE I SAID SO HAHA IM FREE FROM THIS THING I HEARD OF IN CLASS BECAUSE IM AN ATHEIST AND NOT A STUPID CRISDEN

I am better with logic than you btw, evident by every post I've actually put tried to employ it. Meanwhile, you are absolutely incapable.

HAHA YOU ARE THIS THING I LEARNED ABOUT IN CLASS TODAY AND YOUR STUPID HAHA ARGUMENT ONE HAHA U MAD BRO ITS ALL RELATIVE BRO

>>2538864
>anybody i dont like is insane because i said so haha im so smart and free of this thing o heard of in class

>>2538845
>To believe that the literal first attempt at understanding the universe is the right one is folly

I never said it wasn't, nor did I say I was religious. I'm replying to the point that the certainty of god not existing is the default state of man and religion is some tool of corruption of that natural state.

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>>2538851
>projects "in class today" when flustered
Interesting reveal, I assumed you were some kid but this confirms it.

>>2538865
>dismisses logic
>"I am better with logic than you btw"

kek

>>2538876
No, I took logic 101 (180) about a decade ago.
>>2538878
Yes, somebody can employ an ideology better than a proponent. A teenage anarchist will know less about anarchism than a scholar of the subject.

>>2538137
Why doesn't he make everyone overcome being gay?

>>2538887
How old were you when you decided to abandon logic and reason and live life by feelings and faith?

>>2538897
probably around the same time he decided to be a professional internet fool and preach that his one religion out of thousands is actually correct.

>>2538897
Why does that matter? Regardless, probably older than you are now.
>>2538907
t. ideologue

>>2538913
I'll be honest, I just wanted to find something about you to make fun of.

>>2538918
wow im so hurt by an arrogant and weak teenage boy ;ccccccc brb going 2 bath with iphone

>>2538918
same here. it's funny that Christians still think we're interesting in having real discussions with a bunch of fanatics that believe in confirmation bias: the religion

>>2538926
>haha i read this thing on reddit so everything i dont like must be it
Next week, you'll be onto slave morality. See you then!

>>2538938
last word

>>2538944
Nope. Don't you have an assignment on muh cognitive bias to do?

>>2538896
because we have other tests as well.
some are born rich, retarded, gay, poor, disabled. we all are born unlike someone else which in terms makes us unique. However whether that unique trait is a positive or negative in life is the test.

>>2538699
I've never read the testaments old or new so I can not tell you a specific citation from the bibles where it is deemed sinful. What I do know is of doctrines that have been adopted as well as mythical stories of sodomy.
Sodomy in general is a sin and as same sex relations pertains to sodomy, it is in sodomy that same sex relationships are a sin as well. This is the basis for the argument at least. As a Christian, I have studied the theologies of both Catholic and Protestant, or rather practiced both. In Catholicism simple acts of sins can be forgiven through pray and admitting to the sin. In Protestant it is similar however it is in sin that you should punish yourself as well as pray for forgiveness.

In Christianity the idea is to walk as Jesus had walked and by like Jesus with the idea that by doing so you are to spread the faith onto others so that they may achieve the same peace that Jesus found as he ascended to heaven. There is speculation over this of course and we know the idea was soon lost in time. Only some today understand that concept which is to be peaceful and to attain peace in heaven you must be at peace on earth. Therefore no sinning.
>is there something in the bible or in God's law that specifically talks about same sex relationships in a broader sense?
Again I don't know of any specific section in the bible however I know of the Churches power to govern over states in the Middle ages and if one commit ed sins then there were jail sentences as well as fines to pay for sinning.

>>2538699
The Catholic Church describes any sexual act that, in principle, cannot result in procreation as sinful misuse of sexual facilities.

God didn't create faggots. They created themselves. Predestination is a Calvinist lie.

>>2538096
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>>2538804
>it's what you should normally believe without the interference of religion
Literally God has been in human's mind since we gathered around the fire and wondered why the ocean seems so infinite, the stars so far away and why the thunders clash the sky with so much violence

Meanwhile communism, the biggest try to take God out of the human mind completely, killed over 100 million people

Buy yea, lets shit on thousand years of theology because you say so

>>2538087
Literally every religion, and even most atheists (see Asia) hates gays.

>>2538584
One word: AIDS

>>2538686
>t. 14 year old atheist
Yes, God is a jerk. Glad you realised this, that's the whole damn point, don't fuck with Him or you go to hell, it's that simple. There's a reason they used to call being pious 'God-fearing'.

>>2538829
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>>2538137
>He makes gay for them to overcome their sexuality
>However if they ignore the faith of God and adhere to their gayness they are ignoring the plan in which God has laid before them

>God's plan is for a group of people he created with gay urges to have to resist them their whole lives in order to obey him, which is only a problem because he created laws against doing what he gave them urges to do.

>>2538080
Why are people born with autism, just to suffer, or just to make shitposts like this fag

>>2538347
Sodomy is just non pro-creative sex, according to catholic teaching you should only have relationships with people who you can have sex with, and unless you get an anullment then ducking in your bridal bed seals the deal

I mean just read the catechism m8

>>2538351
>things are similar therefore same
I guess gold is just a spook and has no intrinsic value, also both monarchy and democracy are flawed as evil societies have been them before

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>>2540174
Not your safe space.

>>2538080
social evolutionary meme we kept in waiting for humanity to either collectively better itself or go extinct

>>2538080
God doesn't hate anyone. God is all love, or more accurately all Love is God, as God is the source of all love.
So God doesn't hate gays.

As for why there are gay people even though being gay is a sin, you could easily ask the same as why are their horny people if sex outside of marriage is a sin? Theologically they are the same sin after all: sodomy is sex outside of marriage without the purpose of procreation, the only major difference is gays can't go through marriage.
The answer is that any such sin is reducing oneself to base pleasures, desires of this world, of the flesh. People aren't "gay people," simply people who are sexually attracted to those os the same sex. One would hope this is not the sole thing which defines them. Sex is an act solely reserved for married couples, an expression of love from which new life springs. To use it in any other way perverts this act. By reducing oneself to such base pleasures and succumbing to the desires of the flesh, one courts Satan in perverting the acts intended nature, turning away from God, and to turn away from God is the very "definition" of sin.
Almost all people are born with struggles, as we have become imperfect through our own acts in original sin. Some are gay, some are gluttons, some are pridful, some are bloodthirsty killers. Gays aren't unique in this regard. If one gives up these human desires and serve God, we are rewarded with eternal life. If not, we are sent to hell, an act of love by God, as He freely denies Himself and His desire to be with us, and lets us go where we may acts as we desire, yet He forewarns us of agony as the soul knows only anguish without God.

God loves us all, but we must conform to Him, not Him to us, for if He was to change He would not be God. (Since one of God's traits is Immutability)

Bisexuality is the normal, fallen state of man. God decreed that a man should love only one woman, and put away all other erotic relationships. Why did God do this? Who fucking knows, why does God do anything? Maybe he flipped a coin or just decided, it really doesnt matter, all that matters is that that is how he has determined it to be and we are to strive to his mandated perfection.

>>2538331
This

>>2540812
>for if He was to change He would not be God.
Was Jesus fully human?

>>2538645
Because the consequences of Adam's sin, not Eve's deception, was that you were born spiritually dead. The human race joined satan's doomed rebellion against God.

That's what you were born into, and if you don't opt out, you stay dead.

>>2538659
I did no such thing, and posted the sources.

>>2538666
satan check'd

It's simple. Adam had the Holy Spirit in him; he sinned; the Holy Spirit left him and he died.

He then could only reproduce human beings in his own spiritually dead image, not in the image of God.

Fini.

>>2538718
Or you're simply wrong.

Have you ever been wrong about anything, ever?

>>2538733
Inhospitality degenerated into forcible sodomy of strangers. Once you're this wicked, God greases the skids so that you literally remove yourselves from the world. Or as in this case, rains fire and blood onto the entire plain, killing everyone.

>>2538740
True, but you need a Jewish God to tell you what the eternal ramifications are.

>>2538782
Yes, let's look at the VD, STD, HIV and AIDS free square, happily married with children, and even grandchildren.

>>2538896
He will if they become new creations and ask him to. Look up Project Exodus.

>>2538645
As the blood of Cain males the fate of the kindred, the blood of the apple eating bitch dictates ours

>>2541392
and apparently your children too

>>2540162
Yeah Exactly. You got it!

>>2541844
Never bothered me. All dead children go to be with God in heaven forever. They're better off than I'd say 90 % of you people.

>>2540162
No, not at all. God does not tempt you. And God does not allow you to be overwhelmed by temptation, but always provides an escape hatch.

There are three sources of sin: your flesh, the world system, and the devil.

There are three types of sin: lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, and pride of life.

Each source and each type has to be handled differently.

>>2538080
God doesnt hate gay people, Sodom and Gommorah was God "working in mysterious ways" again.

>>2541363
Yes, Jesus was fully Human and fully Divine. That doesn't violate immutability, as His fully Human Nature doesn't change His fully divine one

>>2541363
Jesus was as much man as though he were not God, and as much God as though he were not man. The Son of God, and the Son of Man.

>>2541392
So the people of Sodom and Gomorrah raped everyone?

>>2541844
Would you rather they be sodomized?

>>2542862
So when Jesus exited Mary's womb, did he have full command of the Aramaic language, or was he taught it later in life?