Did the Titanic have a flawed desing?

If he built it perfectly, why did it sink when it hit an iceberg?

>>2536731
ICE CAN'T BREAK STEAL HULLS

>>2536731

Not especially so. Several factors contributed to making the sinking a disaster.

Had the Titanic gone into the iceberg head on then she probably wouldn't have sunk. The flaw on that night was trying to take evasive manoeuvres, which meant the iceberg tore into the side of the ship, penetrating multiple sections at once. The ships bulkheads were not sealed all the way to the top, as the architects of the ship didn't envisage so many compartments flooding at once.

The reason it became such a costly tragedy in terms of lives was lack of lifeboats, confusion as to how best to evacuate the ship, confusion leading to multiple lifeboats being half empty, and multiple distress calls to nearby ships being mistaken or ignored.

The Titanic was probably much safer than many of the ships going across the North Atlantic on any given day. A combination of factors forced a disaster that night.

>>2536731
>flawed design
1,178 places on lifeboats
3,327 capacity of the ship

>>2536752
This, also the materials used to build it (iirc it was mostly the paint and the bolts) were subpar.

>>2536731
>Desing

>>2536731
tbf most icebergs have quite a bit more mass than ships that size, and are also less willingly to deform on impact

>>2536731
where were yuo when desing was kill?

>be in first class bedroom room
>lounging and pondoring
>porter kick door, run in
>desing is kill
>"no"

>>2536752
god damn the Californian

>>2536818
So the problem was with the other boats not Titanic

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>>2536976
I cri evrtime

>>2537181
top 10 saddest anime deaths

>>2537181

MFW people lol at her saying she won't let go immediately before dropping him. Are people too braindead to realise she means she'll never let go of hope etc etc given he saved her from killing herself and taught her to love again etc etc.

>>2537257
>are people too braindead to realise

the answer is always yes

>>2537171
Although the ideal situation would see the ship not sink, and the lifeboats not be an issue.

If the lifeboats become a critical feature, the ship itself has failed.

>>2537257
it's still funny for the irony

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>>2537257
>are people dumb
yes

>>2536752
who did it
who did it
who did it
WHO DID IT?!?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUo63zebeeU

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>>2536731
To think we built that marvel in 1912. Beauties like these and the Eiffel Tower get me rock hard.

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>>2536731
>Did the Titanic have a flawed desing?

Any ship can sink -- the Titanic had the bad luck to run into a situation that sank it on the first voyage.

That said, it did have a problem with the egotistical hubris of those who marketed it as "unsinkable," and thus did not take safety precautions seriously (such as have already been mentioned in terms of lifeboat space, crew training about what to do if it sank, bulkheads not going all the way up, etc.)

Protip: If you make it out of material that has a density greater than water, it can sink. Plan accordingly.

>>2537277
This.

Art is not life -- art done so clumsily as to raise an unanticipated and inappropriate laugh during a tragic scene is poorly executed.

>>2537102
>god damn the Californian
What?

>>2537289
Eiffel tower is an ugly radio tower that should've been demolished

>>2537294
>The Titanic’s two thousand odd passengers went aboard thinking they were on an absolutely safe ship, and all the time there were many people--designers, builders, experts, government officials–who knew there were insufficient boats on board, that the Titanic had no right to go fast in iceberg regions,--who knew these things and took no steps and enacted no laws to prevent their happening.

--Lawrence Beesley, Titanic survivor

Sadly an all too common story.

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>>2537289
Zeppelins had the sexiest interiors

No. Once the watertight doors were closed the Titanic was the equivalent of 16 boats stuck together, the majority of which would have to be flooded before the Titanic stopped floating. All they had to do was intentionally flood the rear sections to prevent the Titanic tipping and snapping in half like it did.

>>2537304
the Californian was a ship that was very close (both inquiries determined closer than 20 miles, as both passengers and crew on the Titanic could see its lights) but for various reasons the crew never came to the Titanic's aid.

>>2536747
INVESTIGATE 311 WAKE UP SHEEPLE
https://youtu.be/E-TRR5zBLrI

Yes.

>>2537343
>all they had to do was intentionally flood the rear sections

Nope. They've even tested this theory in documentaries before.

Even if you somehow balanced it out, water would still be rushing in--thus flooding compartment after compartment--which would still result in sinking. Also, with the added significant amount of water inside the ship from flooing the rear compartments, it would have been at a greater risk for capsizing, which would have resulted in far less survivors.

And the ship's dynamo generators were in the rear section of the ship as well, so they would have been plunged into darkness, effectively dooming everyone. The ship's engineers knew what they were doing. Their decisions and actions led to hundreds of people surviving that night.

>>2537313
It's a testament to human achivement that we can throw away valuable shit to look at something pretty, metal webs are pretty, you aren't pretty.

Didn't it come out recently that there had been a fire burning for weeks around the area that got hit? Or was that just speculation

>Iceberg
>Iceberg
>-berg

SHUT

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>>2537468
It's speculation/a theory.

I haven't seen it myself yet, but there's a thread with people discussing both viewpoints: https://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/community/threads/titanic-the-new-evidence.36403/

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>>2537494

>>2537317
THEY ARE RIGID AIRSHIPS!!!

>>2537536
archer refrence

>start looking up Titanic things
>go down the rabbit hole
>end up reading some post describing what might happen to you if you were trapped in your cabin as the ship sank

fuck

no thanks

>>2538260
Link?

>>2538288
Imagine you are inside cabin E162 just as the lights went out. You are leaning against the forward bulkhead,(wall),as it is now quickly becoming the floor of your cabin. Your respiratory system is at maximum from sheer anxiety. Your heart rate is at maximum for the same reason. You can't see anything in the darkness. Your hear a roar of noise that is growing louder by the second.

If you could see out of your cabin's porthole, you would notice the ocean's surface swiftly pass by, like the floor of a hotel when seen from a glass elevator going down. Instantly you would have felt disorientation as the cabin began to tilt and rotate in several directions. You may have been rolled onto the other walls or even the ceiling. Within a couple of seconds of submersion you would feel the air pressure increase dramatically, affecting your respiration and inner ears. Loose items in your cabin would be tossed around the room along with you and depending on size or shape, could have caused injuries such as lacerations, blunt trauma, twisted joints and broken bones.

Very soon after submersion the walls of your cabin would have began to loose structural integrity as the violent destruction of support columns and joists farther forward migrated back to your cabin. The result would have been cracks in the floors, ceilings and walls. The walls may even seperate completely from themselves and from the floor and ceiling. Your cabin would begin to tear itself apart.

Moments later an explosion of freezing sea water would have blasted into your cabin, dislodging walls, plumbing, and everything else in its path. Your body, already stressed physically and emotionally, would have been dislodged as well from whatever solid object it was resting on at that moment. In the violent, destructive flurry of furniture, glass, cloth, wood, and steel you would have been swirled around and then pinned with crushing strength in the wreckage.

>>2538635
Now three things would have happened to end your life at this point.
First, you could easily have been crushed by the wreckage swirling around you. Much like a bug in a wheelbarrow full of bricks being dumped out. In this case your end would have been instantaneous.

Second, you could have survived the initial flooding of your cabin, only to find yourself tangled in the debris floating everywhere. The water pressure would almost immediately force all the air out of your lungs, and implode your eardrums. You probably would not notice the freezing temperature of the water around you. In this case, you could have lived for a short time before you went unconcious from lack of oxygen.
You would have died quickly afterward as your heart went into arrest, and your brain activity stopped soon thereafter.

Lastly, you could have died when your brain simply shut down from exessive stress. That is you pass out from emotional trauma. In this case, like that above, your body would meet its end from lack of air, but without all the struggling to escape.

In any case, you would not have survived the trip to the bottom past about a couple thousand feet deep. Once dead, your remains would have floated inside the wreck as it descended downward. As the stern continued to break apart on the way down, stong currents of water would be swirling inside the wreck. It's possible that your body would have been caught up in a current of water and swept about inside the stern along with other debris items. Many of these items were blown out of the stern as it sank. Your body may have also been picked up by water and pushed outside the hull through an opening. If this happened, your body would have already been fully invaded by the seawater and thus would likely have continued to sink down to the sea bed, although much slower than the heavier pieces.

>>2538638
On the way down, sea creatures may have encountered your body and consumed it, or carried it off for consumption later. Or it could have eventually sank all the way to the bottom and landed gently in the sea mud, where it would be quickly decomposed.

Of course your body could easily have remained tangled in the wreckage inside the stern all the way to the bottom. Upon impact, a repeat of the violent swirling of debris and water would have occurred just as when your cabin was flooded near the surface. This second wave of destruction would cause further damage to your body as entire decks collapsed and walls fell flat. Dismemberment of your remains would be likely.

Once at the bottom, items would begin to settle into their final resting places. Heavy items drifting down to the lowest point inside the wreck. Any boyant items still trapped inside would continue to rest at the highest points inside the wreck. Your remains would have came to rest at the bottom of the wreck, along with the other non-boyant items.

>>2538641

If your body was still deep inside the wreck, away from sea creatures, or the acidic mud, then your remains would decompose at a much slower rate than the bodies lying outside the wreck.
Perhaps your bones would still be present some years later. But as the steel of the wreck became covered in rust, your remains would also become covered in silt, and rust.

90 years later, all that would be left of you would be any rust-proof jewelry, or metal objects you wore. Perhaps the shoes on your feet would still be found. But any organic material that once was your body would be long gone. Returned to the sea.

>>2537181
>tfw Cameron shot all this extra, historically interesting footage (of the people on the upturned boat, 3rd class passengers trying to find their way to the decks, more scenes with historical figures, etc) only to not release it to the public except on a long out of print game

CAMEROOOOOOON

>>2538260
I wonder which would be the worst "Titanic death."

https://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/csi-titanic-who-died-how.html

And this list doesn't include things like the people who died from suffocation or hypothermia hiding under lifeboat seats (there were several people who died that were found stuffed under the seats; in one case, the lifeboat was over capacity and they were exposed to the frigid seawater leaking in)

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>>2536731
it's an interesting topic. First things first, the Titanic was the most state of the art ship of its time, besides being the largest passenger ship in both length and gross tonnage. The use of watertight compartments, the combination of the new turbine technology with the old standard reciprocating engines, and hull design which provided stability and reduced vibration, and the state of the art telegraph on board pretty much allowed its owners to boast about it. Though it has to be said that the ship was labelled "unsinkable" by the press, and the White Star Line never did advertise it as such (but didn't try to downplay it).

The Titanic disaster was a result of the Victorian era mindset that technology could solve all the world's problems. Steam ships first appeared in the 1850s, and in 50 years advanced technologically to 45,000 ton behemoths as with other technology in the Industrial Revolution. Technology advanced so fast that bureaucracy could not keep up with the latest ships. As is the case, the Titanic was carrying enough lifeboats as was required, and you can argue that it even exceeded the minimum by 4 for a total of 20 lifeboats. Designers proposed more lifeboats but the White Star Line argued that in addition to the safety measures added to the ship (i.e. watertight compartments, double keel) that the space in the boat deck was better used for passengers rather than the bulky lifeboats (this is still an issue in the modern era, where developers go for the minimum because of cost). Maritime code did not account for the growth of ships to huge sizes and capacity in less than a decade (the Lusitania and Mauretania were the largest ships in the world at only 100 feet less before the Olympic class but at less capacity).

The sinking of the Titanic had a huge impact because it shattered the confidence the Edwardian era people had on technology. At the same time, with the Titanic disaster, it seems that everything that could go wrong went wrong.

>>2536731
Wasn't it shitty, brittle metal they used on the hull?

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>>2538643
I imagine the engineers in the engine room while the ship sank. Those guys made sure to keep the ship relatively upright when in the typical sinking, ships list. Not only that but they kept the electricity on which allowed Phillips and Bride to continue sending distress calls and kept the lights on. The sad part is imagine when the ship split in two at the engine room...I'm sure many of the engineers died quickly but for those that survived the chaos, some where either pulled down with the bow or others where pushed down with the stern, all in the dark.

>>2539132
Cameron's documentary done for the 100th anniversary of the sinking, in which he decided to once and for all figure out how the ship really sank is pretty dope. He brought in engineers and naval experts and with the forensic evidence of the state of the wreck, came up with a very accurate (I think) picture of how it really went down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSGeskFzE0s

>>2539735
I wonder what Cameron thinks of the Titanic Honor and Glory project, and their sinking video.

https://youtu.be/rs9w5bgtJC8

>>2536731
>hollow steel hulled ship
>massive trillion ton solid piece of millenia old ice

>>2537360
311 was Xenu's will
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yet2Q0M32GQ

>>2539735
Bada bing bada boom

>>2536731
I always find it an odd coincidence that the iceberg that caused the disaster was owned by the bogdanoffs

>>2538643
>A body getting covered in rust
I don't recall ever signing to a operation where I got turned into a cyborg

>>2536752
>A combination of factors forced a disaster
This always

>>2539735
That thought of going down with that mess is completely terrifying.

The Titanic was built pretty solidly. What sank her was the crew's incompetence. Had they hit the iceberg with bias towards the bow (instead of broadsiding it completely) she at least would have survived.

>>2536731
T'was hubris I tell ya.

>>2536818
In the White Star Line's view, the worst-case scenario that would involve lifeboats would have been using them to ferry passengers to a different ship. They couldn't imagine an Olympic-class liner sinking so quickly that a rescue ship wouldn't be able to get there in time, so there was no apparent need for the boats to hold the ship's full capacity at once.

>>2540318

Justifiable decision IMO, better to attempt to avoid the object and avert collision entirely rather than smack straight into it because you're worried that if you attempt to go around it you might trigger the very specific and extremely unlikely chain of events that actually led to the sinking

Hindsight is great - it wasn't a poor decision it just happened to be the wrong one

>>2540853
It's always been hard for me to understand why Murdoch ordered the engines full astern when trying to steer around the iceberg. Wouldn't an experienced seaman know that the faster a ship is going, the faster it can turn?

>>2537536
Technically they are brand of rigid airships made by Luftschiffbau Zeppelin or one of their Zeppelin subsidiaries.

There use to be other company who made rigid airships as well that use other names. Like the Goodyear Aerospace Corporation which made the USS Akron, distinguished by being the first flying aircraft carrier and the deadliest airship crash, also use Helium.

>>2540853
I get so frustrated with the "ah!! They should have done this or this or that, then she would have survived" mentality. Everything that they did in regards to the iceberg was standard protocol at the time. They had no way of knowing that an extremely unlikely occurrence... occurred.

>>2537482
Oy vey!

>>2536731
Well? Metal IS stronger than ice.

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I didn't realize OP mistyped "design" until half way into this thread

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Should he have gotten on a boat?

>>2537494
The Inquest found that there was a fire in one of the coal bunkers from the very beginning of the voyage. This compartment was not struck directly.

>>2540636
'Twas beauty killed the beast...

>>2540898
>Goodyear Aerospace Corporation which made the USS Akron

"Made" it, in the sense that they took an existing airship Zeppelin made, sawed it in half at the "waist," and inserted a large, empty, structurally weak section as a hanger for a couple of biplanes.

>>2541774
They took he ship's designs, not the ship.

As for those risky structural changes ...
You want a flying aircraft carrier in 1931 to be built on that short a time frame or what? Got to make some sacrifice given the tech and time.

But yea, it could have been better. But at least it proves all those hydrogen fearful are wrong. Turns out bad safety systems and reckless handling can turn any airship into a death trap regardless of lift gas or core design.

So in short airships are awesome and safe, just don't go do stupid shit that makes them crash and blame it on the very idea of an airship itself.

>>2541862
>Although the German sailors spotted four or five other men in the water, they did not know their ship had chanced upon the crash of the Akron until Lt. Commander Wiley regained consciousness half an hour after being rescued. The crew of the Phoebus combed the ocean in boats for over five hours in a fruitless search for more survivors. The Navy blimp J-3 — sent out to join the search — also crashed, with the loss of two men.[29]
>The Navy blimp J-3 — sent out to join the search — also crashed, with the loss of two men.[29]
kek

>>2537482
kek

>>2536731
Wasn't there an interior fire occurring within the ship prior to the sinking?

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1CAHPZS_enUS672US675&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=titanic+internal+fire&*

>>2542729
read the thread yo

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>>2541548
oddly enough that Titanic Honor & Glory game just posted this image of his model. Sounds like they intend to vindicate him in the game.

>>2540871
He was attempting a port round manoeuvre, and that's how its done

>>2536731
https://youtube.com/watch?v=saHs6J0OXVI

>>2537354
Typical californians

>>2541548
If I was him I would have

>>2541548
I don't begrudge him for it, but I'm also not someone who lost a wife, husband, child, sister, friend, etc, in the disaster. It also feels a bit gross when you consider that the bulk of the teenage crew (waiters, bellboys, etc) as young as 15 years old were considered adult male crew members so they weren't allowed to board a lifeboat.

>>2546066
Teenagers are adults.

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>>2536731
That pic is silly.

Design flaws include
>Not having bulkheads go higher than E deck
>Hull being made of low quality steel that is susceptible to breakage in cold water
>no double hull
>not enough lifeboats
>No way of safely removing collapsible lifeboats-- had to get them down on improvised oar ramps that led to one of them being overturned in the freezing water
>Old triple expansion steam engines were too slow in being able to perform evasive maneuvers
>Parsons low pressure turbine engine couldn't reverse at all, and had to feed off the steam of the Triple expansion engines in order to function
>pumps were weak, were unable to efficiently remove water from bulkheads

>>2546203
Adults are adults, too, yet Ismay found a place on a boat when the teenagers were left to die.

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>>2541548
He was forced on to it by Murdoch. I always get so annoyed by how Ismay's been portrayed, so let me clear up a few things.
1.) As many of you are aware, Ismay is supposedly responsible for convincing Captain Smith to go Full speed ahead during the voyage.
This wouldn't have happened for three reasons-- Firstly, why would Ismay intentionally try to make the Titanic shave a day of it's journey to set a speed record and make the morning papers in New York? Titanic wasn't designed for fast travel, but a steady, luxurious voyage. It's Triple Expansion Steam Engines and Parson's Steam Turbine didn't have the power to make the ship go faster than 22 knots, while other ships at the time, like Mauretania, were capable of going at 24 knots-- meaning it wouldn't ever be able to set a speed record, so we can rule out Titanic ever being able to shave a day off it's schedule, it simply wasn't capable of doing this.
2.) Ismay was a business man. Can you imagine a man like him making such a rash decision as to throw away a carefully planned schedule for the voyage just so he can say "Hey guys! My ship is fast!" Passengers paid *high* prices at the time for tickets, and expected to get their money's worth for the full seven days of the voyage. They would be pissed if they were cheated out of a day they'd paid for. Ismay, as the head of White Star Line wouldn't be dumb enough to piss off so many people just so he could show off how fast his ship was (wasn't).
1/2

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>>2541548
2/3 actually
3.) Ismay was a passenger. Yes, he was the Chairman of White Star Line and was therefore a very, very important passenger who technically owned the ship, but he was a passenger nonetheless. He had no actual control of the goings-on of the ship, that was for the crew to decide on what to do. The crew decided such things like the heading, speed, and overall course the ship was to take. Finally, the crew took orders only from the Captain. Sure, Ismay had a definite presence and impact on the crew who may have been trying to impress him, since, you know, he was their boss, but being experienced seamen they wouldn't have seriously taken advice from a man who had little actual experience sailing a ship, let alone something as huge as Titanic.
Besides, there were other reasons for Titanic going full speed ahead during it's voyage. Time keeping was a priority. Just like in my second reason, Titanic couldn't arrive too early, but it definitely couldn't arrive too late either. They needed to keep to schedule and going at near full speed was the common practice at the time to do this, even IF they were going into an ice field.

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>>2541548
3/3
After learning that the ship would sink, Ismay did everything in his power to make sure as many people got into the boats as possible. He, like Thomas Andrews, the ships designer, made sure to check numerous staterooms and cabins to see if there was anyone in them, and directed passengers to the Boat deck. He provided life vests and was seen by the lifeboats desperately trying to get unwilling passengers into the boat without raising a panic. It was only when the Boat deck was a few feet from sea level and there were few people in sight (many were still at the Aft section, (confused and directionless) was he then put into one of the Collapsible C not by his own choice but forcibly by First Officer Murdoch.
Ismay was unfairly portrayed in the press as a greedy coward when he had in fact had simply been a person placed in extraordinary and unlikely circumstances because he, like many other men had been allowed to survive by chance when hundreds of men, women and children had not. He was haunted with guilt by the Titanic disaster and became a recluse, never allowing the name of the ship to be spoken in his presence for the rest of his life.
Sources: I'm too lazy to look them up but this is /his/, so who needs sources amirite. But you can find them easily.

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>>2546492
>He was haunted with guilt by the Titanic disaster and became a recluse, never allowing the name of the ship to be spoken in his presence for the rest of his life.

>>2546492
Too bad he worked for JP Morgan, who had a bitter rivalry with the king of yellow journalism, William Randolph Hearst

>>2546545
I was actually going to mention something about that, but I couldn't find the journalist's name. But yeah, he was a major cause in influencing people's perception of Ismay. Poor guy couldn't catch a break. There were even songs made about him.

Skip to 1:09 and follow the beat of the music to see what it was like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n5cf-EI-Nc

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Can we have a general steam ship thread?
What's your favorite Steamer /his/? It's either the Adriatic or SS Bermudian for me. There's jjust something pleasing about their little funnels and curved hulls.

Pictured is the SS Bermudian.

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>Scientists believe preserving ship is 'impossible'
>The wreck of the Titanic will be nothing more than a rust stain on the bed of the Atlantic within 15 to 20 years, scientists warned today.
>A newly-discovered species of rust-eating bacteria is slowly consuming the 50,000 tons of iron that makes up the sunken liner.
>Experts now believe the invasive group of micro-organisms will eventually cause the shipwreck to completely decompose.

IT'S NOT FAIR I HAVE TO SEE IT IN PERSON

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1346446/Titanic-wreck-completely-destroyed-20-years-new-rust-eating-bacteria.html

>>2546522
I don't think we can even begin to contemplate these feels.

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>>2546605
>>2546522

He was hounded mercilessly for years after the disaster. The press found out he'd exiled himself in an old Irish estate, alone and immediately swamped him again. Can you imagine how awful it must have been?

>Be subject to a one in a million chance of being on board largest ship in the world when it starts sinking
>Feel responsible for everyone's safety, desperately try to save as many as I can even though there's not enough lifeboats
>saved through the sacrifice of another
>have to witness your own ship, on it's maiden voyage, going down with 1500 people still on board doomed to die
>when you're saved you get absolutely destroyed by the press who ignores your efforts to save others and instead calls you a coward
>You're haunted by the screams of women and children who froze to death for the rest of your life
>everyone you know abandons you
>your life is in tatters
>you die, old and alone, haunted by the death of thousands all because of pure chance

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>>2546581
Speaking of the SS Bermudian here's the Queen of Bermuda. It's not really a Steam powered ship but it still has the look.

>>2546598
>implying that it is not a good thing

>>2546689
What's good about seeing one of the most famous ships in the world slowly disappear?

>>2546598
>implying iron reducing bacteria weren't colonizing that hulk from the moment it touched down on the sea bottom

Daily Mail tier journalism strikes again.

>>2546695
Decomposers enable every aspect of your daily life.

>>2546598
I always get a shiver down my spine when I see photos of Titanic underwater. It's very haunting and forboding looking--almost frightening. I suppose that's because, in essence, it's a mass grave.

>>2546487
>He was forced on to it by Murdoch.

We do not know that he was "forced" into the boat by Murdoch or any other officer. That's just one person's testimony. But I think you're confusing Murdoch with Chief Officer Wilde. Lightoller reported this story in the British inquiry, that Wilde "simply bundled [Ismay] into the boat." However, Lightoller didn't witness this, he said in this later testimony that he just heard the story and "I forget the source, I am sorry I have forgotten it." The source is a written affidavit by Weikman, who said that "he got in along with Mr. Carter, because there were no women in the vicinity of the boat," "He was ordered into the boat by the officer in charge."

Ismay himself testified not that he was forced, but that he and another man simply got in because they were lowering it and they saw no more women or children passengers. According to a later historian, Ismay told his sister-in-law that he was ordered into the boat, but as far as I'm aware the book that claims this offers no tangible proof just an anecdote.

There are plenty of conflicting testimonies about what happened that night. Especially in regards to how Ismay came to be in the boat, as well as the general atmosphere on board during this boat's launch, since Ismay and at least one of the officers (and I think Gracie as well) claimed that Boat C's launch was calm and there was no scramble or crowd, just room for them and no women or children around. Yet multiple people who survived in Boat C noted that they had to push through crowds, that people were trying to rush it, and that shots were fired at this time.

Paul Lee has a detailed rundown of the many testimonies: http://www.paullee.com/titanic/ismaysescape.html

>>2546705
Nobody's disputing when the iron eating bacteria came about- it would have colonised the wreck within a year of it's sinking. But what's happened is that the deterioration has reached such a point that the weight of the remaining steel in the wreck is becoming too heavy for the rest of the degraded metal, and Titanic will collapse in on itself because of that.

>>2546522
>J. Bruce Ismay died on the night of 14-15 April 1912, and died again in his bedroom twenty-five years later. He was mired in the moment of his jump; his life was defined by a decision he made in an instant. Other survivors of the Titanic were able, in varying degrees, to pick themselves up and move on, but Ismay was not. His was now a posthumous existence.

(From the book How to Survive the Titanic, or The Sinking of J. Bruce Ismay)

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Lightoller always pissed me off. He INTENTIONALLY DENIED passengers who wanted to board the boats. He took 'women and children first' as 'women and children only' and when there were no more women and children to be found in the immediate area, he ordered the boats lowered *half* full, even though was plenty of room for more. I get he was under a time limit and must not have been thinking clearly but you can't excuse that kind of behavior. He was directly responsible for forsaking the lives of possibly hundreds of people

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>>2536731

>implying Titanic at all

It was the Olympic nigga,

Also Jews were the primary reason the ship sank

t. Ice(((BERG)))

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>>2546658

RMS Lusitania

>>2546695

"In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return."

It's gonna happen one way or another. Even if the ship had survived it's maiden voyage, it would've just wound up in a scrapyard with her sister.

>>2546841
Reminder that Lusitania was carrying weapons and that krauts did nothing wrong when they gave her a good torpedoing.

Fuck women and children

>>2537354
>>2545661

Actual Californian here,

Can confirm people in this state that big of pricks

>>2546852

Bingo

>>2536731
He didnt built it, he designed it, the people in the dockyard built it.

>>2546794
Wasn't he the one that didn't want to save the Chinese man alive in the water, saying "he's as good as dead, and anyways there are people worth saving more than a Jap" but the other people in the boat convinced him to go back, the women revived the man, and he took over an oar? Or am I thinking of another guy

>>2547274
I think you're thinking of Sixth Officer Lowe. I know he saved an chinese guy (at least according to james cameron's movie) but I don't think he ever willingly ignored anyone who was still alive in the water. Plus, the boat that was recovering those still living only had crew members

>>2547397
Different person, you're right, it was Lowe. He went back with boat 14. Whether the boat had passengers in it or not is a subject of debate because there are conflicting accounts. Some of the passengers who were in boat 14 say they recall staying in the boat when it went back, while others (including crew) say that all passengers from boat 14 were dispersed among the other lifeboats.

From a newspaper article which was written based on an interview with Charlotte Collyer:

>A little further on, we saw a floating door that must have been torn loose when the ship went down. Lying upon it, face downward, was a small Japanese. He had lashed himself with a rope to his frail raft, using the broken hinges to make the knots secure. As far as we could see, he was dead. The sea washed over him every time the door bobbed up and down, and he was frozen stiff. He did not answer when he was hailed, and the officer hesitated about trying to save him.

>"What's the use?" said Mr. Lowe. He's dead, likely, and if he isn't there's others better worth saving than a Jap!"
>He had actually turned our boat around; but he changed his mind and went back. The Japanese was hauled on board, and one of the women rubbed his chest, while others chafed his hands and feet. In less time than it takes to tell, he opened his eyes. He spoke to us in his own tongue; then, seeing that we did not understand, he struggled to his feet, stretched his arms above his head, stamped his feet, and in five minutes or so had almost recovered his strength. One of the sailors near to him was so tired that he could hardly pull his oar. The Japanese bustled over, pushed him from his seat, took the oar and worked like a hero until we were finally picked up. I saw Mr. Lowe watching him in open-mouthed surprise.

>"By Jove!" muttered the officer. "I'm ashamed of what I said about the little blighter. I'd save the likes o' him six times over, if I got the chance."

>>2548148
2/2


It should be remembered that this newspaper account was one of many "interviews" with survivors that was published in the Titanic news frenzy that sprang up after the disaster. These newspaper accounts were often conflated, altered, or sometimes flat out false.

It is entirely possible that the journalist altered Charlotte's account--perhaps in her interview she said that she was told by one of the men on boat 14 about this incident (George Crowe notes that they picked up a 'Chinese or Japanese fellow' on top of a piece of wreckage, but nothing else) and the journalist decided to spice it up by adding in the imagery of the man being revived by the women in the boat. Also around this time several passengers had already spoken out about some of the crew who didn't want to go back to try to save people, so the journalist may have been latching onto this (the passengers were the ones who saved the man, while Lowe wanted to forget him.)

It's also possible that several passengers stayed in boat 14 and the crew didn't notice or remember. It's also possible that the passengers who claimed to have stayed were lying for attention, or lying because they heard about the events from the crew who did go back and then conflated that in their heads with their own experience. I can't recall which book it was now, but one book I read on the Titanic had an interesting short chapter about how even before the Titanic arrived in New York, the survivors began telling various stories that weren't necessarily true but which had gotten passed from person to person until everyone suddenly remembered it actually happening. Memory, especially in regards to an extremely traumatic event like this, is a tricky thing.

>tfw always tear up at Nearer, My God to Thee even if it's association with the Titanic may be apocryphal

Regardless, the fact it was sung by the doomed passengers of the SS Valencia makes it deserve a little mist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Valencia#Collision_and_disaster

>>2536731
I bet Jews have something to do with it

>>2548396
Multiple people reported hearing it, and the bandleader was a devout Methodist whose father was a Methodist church choirmaster. I don't doubt it was played that night. Was it the "last" song? Who knows. Given how suddenly the ship started sinking towards the end (when before it was a crawling gradual list) I doubt that they were able to poetically time the last song with a hymn.

Also for more fucking tragedy

>Wallace Hartley's body was found with his arms wrapped around his violin case

>some weirdo private collector bought it a few years ago but he let it be displayed at a few Titanic museums in the interim before it goes into his private collection

>>2536752
>Had the Titanic gone into the iceberg head on then she probably wouldn't have sunk.

what the fuck do you think would have happened, it just climbing on top of the iceberg?

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>>2549521
>Hollow metal tube bumps into heavy block of ice inwater
>tube go bonk
>bonk
>tube no sink-- is bonk now
>yes

>>2549521

It would've damaged and flooded the forward compartment but enough to sink it.

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>>2549521
it would have smashed the bow, which is ultimately a not especially important part of a ship as far as floating and moving goes.

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>>2546581
Normandie no question. Just a majestic and beautiful thing.

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reminder that flying aircraft carriers used to be a thing

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>>2549932

>>2546846
Tbh the only reason why anyone gives fuck about Olympic-class is because of Titanic's date with an iceberg, if it hadn't been that they would had ended up being completely forgotten (instead of being just mostly forgotten outside of the Titanic) like so many other ships.

>>2549932

rest in peace akron

>>2537181
They should have had her floating on a small plank of wood. Would have been more realistic and dramatic af

>>2549934
Just like how the Empire State was forgotten when it was surpassed as the tallest building in New York?

>>2550008
No, just like how boats likek RMS Baltic, RMS Carmania, RMS Celtic, and SS Kaiser WIlhelm II have been forgotten.

>>2537257
doesn't matter she still let go

>>2549798
>>2549578
Third class cabins were in that section of the ship. It would be dangerous risking killing hundreds of people in that section.

>>2537181
get rekt whore

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>>2536731
It's alright, really, they missed out on the big shitfest that happened 2 years later.

Unlike this guy.
>Joined war in 1916.
>Get killed mere fucking days before war ends in 1918.

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>>2551461

Holy shit that's tragic.

Always thought the public's fixation with Titanic was kinda dumb considering that more people were killed in the first 20 minutes of the Battle of the Marne just over two years later.

Hell it's not even the costly shipwreck. More people died on the Wilhelm Gustloff than Titanic and Lusitania combined multiplied by five.

>>2552487
>proles dying on the fields for the "fatherland" vs rich fucks (and shitload of poor bastards but who gives fuck about them?) die on a decadent boat trip to the states

>>2549932
Where is Trump tower?

>>2552499
>only "proles" died in WW1
>Titanic is famous because rich people died not because over 1500 died in a scandalous shipwreck on a state of the art ocean liner's maiden voyage

Contrarian pleb.

>>2551367

>had sex with noone other than Jack at that point
>whore

>>2552499

Protip: in the British military, the upper classes had massively disproportionate casualties, with approximately 1/4 of the entire aristocracy killed.

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>>2539707
>The Titanic disaster was a result of the Victorian era mindset that technology could solve all the world's problems.
No, it wasn't.
Titanic sinking was a result of poor training(could had rammed the iceberg instead of risking sinking), poor crew training, poor radio training, and extremely untested flawed assumptions about how ships sustain damage.

>the sinking of the Titanic had a huge impact because it shattered the confidence the Edwardian era people had on technology.
No it didn't.
Titanic sank before World War 1. Before Communism. Before Stalin. Before USA participated in World War 1 and exports Academia, and before Global Anglo university trading, entrenching and changing the world language.

>>2552487
>Always thought the public's fixation with Titanic was kinda dumb considering that more people were killed in the first 20 minutes of the Battle of the Marne just over two years later.

It's not about really about how many people were killed. It's about the nature and scope of the tragedy, which was a complete shock and surprise to the world at that time, and it unfolded in such a way to allow for the development of stories and a mythos that made it so completely enigmatic. You have a ship filled with 2200 people who were simply trying to get to America--whether they were some of the wealthiest and most influential people of the day wanting to cross the sea in style, or a middle class couple returning from visiting friends overseas, or an entire third class family who was hoping and dreaming for a new life in America, or crew members just making a living. Yet suddenly, all of those people were thrust into a terrible, traumatic, and heart-wrenching event that started a chain of events that covered every sort of human emotion and behavior. It's a terribly great story.

To quote a book

>The story of the giant ship that sank on its maiden voyage is so rife with symbolism that if it hadn’t actually happened, we might have had to invent it. Yet it did happen, on that cold, clear April night in 1912. And it happened to real people—stokers, millionaires, society ladies, parsons, parlormaids—people who displayed a full range of all-too-human reactions as the events of the night unfolded. The recollections of those who survived, conflicting and embroidered though they often are, allow us to place ourselves on that sloping desk and ask: “What would we do?” The unsinkable story sails on.

THIS THREAD CAN'T SINK

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any talented sailor would have just rammed her.

>>2536731
Well for all you tinfoil hat types, theres the conspiracy theory that the Titanic was deliberately sunk for insurance.

>>2537257
People laugh at the scene because it's hilarious