Greeks

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>>2531220

>>2531220
Why do you think Nordics looked like that

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Why did nordics depict themselves as ugly cucks when todays nodics look like.... oh wait

>>2531220

What is the final solution to the /pol/ack question?

Michaloliakos is unironically 100% pure Greek, since he is a Maniot, a people in the southern Peloponnese that were never conquered by the Turks and lived in isolation for hundreds of years as pirates and bandits.

The fact that he looks like a swarthy Arab makes me kek audibly as a Greek for the idiots in Golden Dawn who want to protect the "racial purity" and whiteness of the Greek people.

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>>2531242

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>>2531232
>hot women
Kek

>>2531232
Both sides are awful.

>>2531220
As an Arab, that guy doesn't really look Arab.

>>2531369
>Posts a lanky square jawed horse

Bravo

>>2531271
Yeah and maybe because he's just ugly? Like, maybe it's possible that there are ugly people in every population? On average Mediterraneans are quite attractive, northern populations not so much

>>2531401
He was regarded as exceptionally ugly in all Ancient Greek sources

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>>2531220

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They looked like that way back but the Turks have since bred them out of existence.

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This triggers the snownigger.

>>2531413

The point is Greeks, like Italians were never really "white" by the Anglo-Saxon racial standards.

This was partly due to climate, and partly because all meds are a huge melting pot since the bronze age.

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>my ancestor :^)

>>2531220
>Why did greeks depict themselves
>posts a depiction of an Israelite king sculpted by an Italian
How historically illiterate are you?

>A high level of discourse is expected

>>2531413
You know scandinavian are the most beautiful people according to most sites done reasearch on it rite?

>>2531220
>Michelangelo
>Greek

>>2531445
Nice Jew

>>2531220
Lots of Greeks interbred with swarthy Arabs, especially Ionians. Then there's the raids.

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>>2531220

greece/2016

proof that greeks %50 turkic blood,

they are not white anymore...

Good night sweet Greece. You were great when you were white.

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>>2531462
Any genetic studies to back up this claim?

>>2531483
Hercules was African! Fuck whitey!

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>>2531489
>Fuck whitey!

>>2531483
Probably, but for one Ionians literally lived on the coast of Asia Minor, and got there by colonization. Not to mention the Aegeans.
Colonization doesn't happen without some interbreeding.
This isn't saying even the purest Greeks weren't swarthy.

>>2531465
Real Turkics aren't swarthy but Asian looking. The fact modern Turks look like shitskins means they have Greek blood rather than Greeks having Turk blood.

>>2531220
>Michelangelo
>Greek
American """""""education"""""""

But to answer your question, they didn't depict themselves as nordics. Pic related is a Roman mosaic of Alexander. Does he look nordic to you?
>inb4 b-but that wasn't made by a greek
It is believed to be a copy of a greek original, and even if the creator did not know what Alexander looked like, surely a greek or a roman knew that greeks in general looked like?

>>2531220
David was made by an Italian and is supposed to be Jew.

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>>2531498
oops, forgot the pic in question

>>2531505
we knew what you wre referring to

>>2531485

>Fuck Anglo Saxon racial standards then. Greeks may be swarthy, but they are definitely "white". They spawned western civilisation so fuck their bullshit standard.

Greeks have outlasted everyone, we don't need anyone's approval.

Greece's strategy of survival which came through not any fake nationalism but through religion has kept them as cohesive unit for thousands of years. Dumb Northern Euros think that they are superior because they have suburbs with millions of negroes and muslims and think they will reign over them due to their "enlightened" superiority. But Greece through Byzantium reigned over other people with their consent through the Orthodox christian religion.

The N.European and dumb american obsession with race and nations typifies their hubris and paranoia of losing their power (which if things keep up they will lose it). But Greece doesn't need nations in order to survive, and never did need them.

>Populations that have evolved to survive in warmer climates
>Swarthy
>Populations that have evolved to survive in colder climates
>Pale

Okay bravo well done! Arabs and Greeks are both swarthy because they live in warm climates! Great! Anything actually significant to add to discussion, /pol/?

>>2531507
OP didn't even know that Michelangelo was Italian, nor that it isn't a statue of a greek man. So I expected the worse.

>>2531494
>asian looking
Arabs do look Asian, there's more than one type of 'Asian'.
>>2531519
And they interbred with Arabs in the past. Greece controlled the Western coast of Asia Minor at one point, which is modern day Turkey.

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>mfw retards don't know Greeks are actually the least cucked people by Turks in the Balkans

- Ionian islands were never under Turkish control
- Crete was only conquered in 1669
- The island archipelago was only conquered in 1714

If you want to know what an ancient Greek looked like just look at someone from Corfu or something.

>muh race
you are all autistic and spiritual termites

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Modern day Greeks are imposters. Trust me guys. The original Greeks were White American Anglo-Saxon Protestants.

>>2531528
>there's more than one type of 'Asian'.
actually not in terms of races
caucasian
asian
african
abo
amerindian

this is the best clustering for races, K = 5

>>2531528
That area wasn't populated by Arabs in that timeframe you fucking ignoramus. If you are OP then it's safe to say you are completely historically illiterate. Those areas were occupied by multitudes of different ethnicities, namely Semites like Jews, Phoenicians and the like. If you're implying that those areas were populated by Arab bedouins in ancient times, then go neck yourself you thick cunt.

>>2531528
Sorry I meant Mongoloid when saying Asian.

>>2531519
Greece is not that warm honestly.

>>2531532
Wow those red lines convinced me

>>2531531
race is the (only and) most important human characteristic

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Ottomans /=/ nationalistic Turks

>>2531535
>in that time frame
You realize that it had to be colonized, right? You realize that regardless of whether there were Arabs there or not, that Arabs went there to trade and such with the Greeks, right? The point of having the coast was trade and better land.
>Arabs aren't Semites
Yeah and I'm the OP.

>>2531548
explain why you are subhuman garbage

>>2531553
i don't matter
my race matters
i'm white

>>2531553
T. Shitskin

>>2531553
Hey poop man

>>2531559
you are subhuman
>>2531562
you are subhuman
>>2531564
you are subhuman

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Have you considered that statues don't depict colour

>>2531552
Yeah, the Arabs didn't mix with mainland Greece and only had a lasting genetic imprint on Greek colonies which honestly are irrelevant considering we are discussing mainland Greece

The Greeks never initially mixed with Arabs, you can say Arab traders had contact with them but once again that won't leave a genetic imprint.

Ignoring racial lines of the time and trying to group Jews, Phoenicians and bedouins together is plain ignorant considering they do have distinct racial characteristics. The bedouins (Arabs) that you are referring to hadn't conquered the levant yet. They remained in their desert shitholes in the south.

>>2531571
>projecting

>>2531548
You could be a black man born in Britain and be culturally British in and out. Race doesn't matter at all.

OP here
Original greeks where nordic whites. Why is that so hard to grasp? Todays greeks are turkish rape babies

>>2531574
Is this every genetic dead ends battle cry for being called out on being an autistic antisocial waster? Projection? Pseudo eugenecist pseudo intellectual wanker. You're not a psychologist, just a wastrel.

>>2531573
>Greek colonies
Some Greeks went home. A good bit of Syrians and Phoenicians also migrated to Greece.

I don't know why you're being so autistic.

>>2531572
Well they DID

>>2531577
>culturally British
Culturally east London Ghetto shithole
ftfy

>>2531591
You're a shitskin loser so you're projecting your failures onto others.

>>2531582
The Ottomans were the Turks of the 20th century, they didn't feel inclined to Turkanize Greece

>>2531384
t. Jamal Silverman.

Why are whites and niggers always trying to claim Rome, Greece, Carthage and Egypt as their own? Mediterranean people are brown. The end.

/pol/ threads in /pol/ pls.

>>2531610
discussion of the greek people is politics now?

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>>2531592
>Romans considered Middle Eastern and North African people more intelligent and civilized than snowniggers

really makes you think

Any mixing that happened between these people was inconsequential as they were both part of the Med master race.

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OP is a faggot

That's a statue of an ancient middle eastern jew sculpted by a medieval italian

Fuck off

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Because they live right need the arabs so there was bound to be some mixing.

>>2531600
I'm from Northern Europe and I bet you're some fucking American mongrel WASP LARPer

>>2531592
I'm not really being autistic, I'm simply stating that Arabs had fuckall genetic impact on Greece while you're making it out as if their some mongrel race with huge Arab admixture, they are not.

>>2531614

>implying that anyone in this thread is arguing in good faith and that their real motive is not to vindicate their racial politics.

>draws red line

woah you really got me thinking

>>2531614
When people start screaming "shitskin" and "t. Jamal Silverman" and "projection" it stops being an actual, serious debate. It's pathetic. Typical of /pol/ though, intellectually stunted misinformed idiots.

>>2531636
>I'm from Northern Europe
Yeah a Turk from Northern Europe right Abdul?

>>2531532
>>2531428
/thread

There is absolutely no research suggesting that Greek people were displaced or replaced since antiquity. Turks and Greeks fucking hate each other, let alone interbreed. They even swapped populations. Greeks were never nordic.

Also, where did this definition of white being Scandi-looking come from?

>>2531645
Your autism is astounding. I'm Irish. Literally neck beard autist buzzword bingo with you.

>TEE. Le abdul Silverstein xDDD
>fuk turkroaches deus vault!!11!!!

Please just leave this board. You are wrong and you know it.

>>2531665
>Ireland
>Northern Europe
What

>>2531615
That's very duplicitous. He's using the Roman term African (with regards to Julian) and extrapolating it to apply to Sub-Saharan Africans. In fact North Africa back then was even less sub-saharan admixed than it is today (See that recent study on Egyptian genes).

>>2531614
/pol/ is not about politics. It's supposed to be the exact opposite.

>>2531672
The Romans referred to North Africans such as Egyptians and Berbers as just "Africans" though, so he's correct in that sense.

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>>2531681
>>2531672

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REMINDER: Ionian islands were never conquered by Turks. This is what people from the Ionian islands look like. That's your ancient Greeks right there.

>>2531690
They look like Serbs

Better slightly brown then a cuck.

>>2531615
Aryans were cruel though. Civilization softens people.

>>2531690
This proves absolutely nothing

>>2531690
So, a mix of European phenotypes just like mainland Greece? Really makes you think.

>>2531702
Mediterraneans were Indo Europeans (Aryan). Why do you say this with pride?

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>ITT

>>2531220
Neo-nazi /pol/tier people are shit always and everywhere.
That's the leader of the Golden dawn.
Really makes you think...

>>2531615
Not him, but you should post the source of that pic, at least the author, if not also the work that it is quoting

>>2531615
I'm not a 'snownigger'.
>>2531636
No, they had an impact. I am not making it out as they are now more Arab than Greek, I'm making it out as some Greeks might be a bit more swarthy because of a history of interbreeding with Arabs. There are also Arabs coming to Greece now.

I'm not even making this out to be a bad thing.

>>2531672
he means north africans

There are a ton of Greeks with light eyes and dirty blonde-brownish hair though...

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>>2531690
Can see some Turkish genes there

>>2531755
Greeks are deeply conservative and prejudiced when it comes to intermixing with other cultures/populations. It's safe to say that there is little to no interbreeding with Arabs. Also, Arab immigration =/= relationships with Greeks, they're as far apart as can be.

The reason Greeks are "swarthy" is because of sun tan. Ever notice how some /pol/acks call a Mediterranean a shitskin, only to then realise that the actual person looks pale as fuck when not tanned? Or when nordic tourists leave the country after holidays looking like Arabs? Yeah.

>>2531630

>Turks

>Arabs

Anon this is a history board.

>>2531690
being conquered doesn't mean you turn into a different genetic group. stop this meme

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>>2531690
Another example of an Ionian

>>2531975
What the fuck are you doing? Are you getting these images from someone's Facebook? What are you even trying to prove?

>>2531975
Cute. Would wife after I and my Muslim brothers liberated the island from infidels.

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>>2531975
more examples of greeks that were isolated from the Turks

>>2531980
Its what real Greeks look like. How hard is that to understand

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Pure bread Greek Ionians. No Turkish admixture

>>2531980
>What are you even trying to prove?
Are you actually dumb?

>>2531409
Arab isnt a race you imposter. They come in all shapes

>>2531651
Turks and Greeks have interbred (as well as Slavs), mostly in Anatolia tho.
Very pale Turks are most descendants of Slavic converts.

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>>2531428
Wow

>>2531999
Where are Jesus and Mary's faces? Are they Muslims or something?

>>2531989
>>2532002
Posting images of random Greeks whom we cannot verify are even Greek or not is not representative of Greek phenotype as a whole

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>>2532025
I think the faces might have been painted on and have worn down or something

>>2532037
They are rural Ionians from a place the Turks never conquered. If they aren't Greeks I don't know who is.

Hey look OP someone replied to your bait thread! Oh wait. 38 people replied.

>>2532052
If you know the correct answer why don't you tell us?

>>2531220
I don't know why but here in Canada all the Greek chicks have phat asses.

Can anyone corroborate this experience?

>>2531220
>Michelangelo
>greek

>The David
>a statue of a greek

Fuck you OP, you're a massive fag

>>2532045
they look exactly like mainland greeks though

>>2531220
Stay woke

http://www.unz.com/article/what-race-were-the-greeks-and-romans/

>>2531690
Is that young Matthew Perry on the right?

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ITT

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>>2531983
I'm not seeing any difference

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>>2531220
>David is a masterpiece of Renaissance sculpture created between 1501 and 1504 by Michelangelo.
>The statue represents the Biblical hero David
OP = Poltard

>Hours over debate over the skin tone of ancient Greeks

EUROPEANS WITH DARK HAIR WHO TAN WELL

THERE

/THREAD

>>2531220
Most nordics have short piggy/bulbous noses, this is the biggest irony of the Aryan race theory, most nordics would never fit with the long-straight noses and the facial structure supposed for the "Nordic Aryan traits".

And that is the David statue build by Michelangelo using a local italian boy as a model.

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>>2532531
this

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>>2532531
>Most nordics have short piggy/bulbous noses

No, that's just Finns and Germans. Scandinavians have long thin noses, albeit rarely aquiline and as prominent like Mediterranean noses.

>>2532484
>>2531983
Greeks = Orthodox Turks
Turks = Muslim Greeks

Its that simple

>>2531610
Fuck off. We don't want this shit on /pol/ either.

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>>2532570

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>>2532585

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>>2532594

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>>2532603

>>2532576

Even better.

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>>2532613

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ITT

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>>2532625
As you can see, this kind of nose was REALLY common among Roman aristocracy. I personally never saw any Scandinavian or German with a nose like that. Aside from Italians it seems to be common in the Balkans and among French people.

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>>2532570
Just to put an example with this three swedish nationalists (pic+vids)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBtdQcG7-zY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-OABmHEHVU

Not a single one of them looks stereotypically "Aryan" in regards to facial structure.

Simply put, the typical Greek statues don't represent a typically Nordic facial structure, but a Mediterranid one.

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>>2532703
Greek sculptures were highly idealized anyway. They didn't strive for realism unlike most Roman sculptures.

>>2532625
effay as fuck
how can i get a haircut like this?

Pure hellenic here, ask away if anyone wants. (in Thessaloniki right now bros)

>>2531982
kek inshallah

>>2533449
>Pure hellenic

Cute.

I dunno about Greeks, but here is some descriptions about Roman Emperors

>Augustus

"He had clear, bright eyes, in which he liked to have it thought that there was a kind of divine power, and it greatly pleased him, whenever he looked keenly at anyone, if he let his face fall as if before the radiance of the sun; but in his old age he could not see very well with his left eye. His teeth were wide apart, small, and ill-kept; his hair was slightly curly and inclining to golden; his eyebrows met. His ears were of moderate size, and his nose projected a little at the top and then bent slightly inward. His complexion was between dark and fair. He was short of stature (although Julius Marathus, his freedman and keeper of his records, says that he was five feet and nine inches in height), but this was concealed by the fine proportion and symmetry of his figure, and was noticeable only by comparison with some taller person standing beside him."

>Nero

He was about the average height, his body marked with spots and malodorous, his hair light blond, his features regular rather than attractive, his eyes blue and somewhat weak, his neck over thick, his belly prominent, and his legs very slender. His health was good, for though indulging in every kind of riotous excess, he was ill but three times in all during the fourteen years of his reign, and even then not enough to give up wine or any of his usual habits. He was utterly shameless in the care of his person and in his dress, always having his hair arranged in tiers of curls, and during the trip to Greece also letting it grow long and hang down behind; and he often appeared in public in a dining-robe, with a handkerchief bound about his neck, ungirt and unshod.

>>2531975
would cuddle

>>2532493
implying pol wouldn't know who david is
fuck of commie

>>2532625
>>2532668
>>2532603
>>2532594
>>2532585
>>2532570
is this nose disappearing?

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>>2535438
>translating "sufflavus" as "light blonde"

He uses the same term for Augustus. It's wrong. "Inclining to golden" is more correct. It doesn't necessarily mean "blonde" or "light blonde" because Romans described the hair color of Germanics and other barbarians as "rutilae" (red) and never "sufflavus", so you have to take relativity of color terms into account.

is it true that 1/4 of the population use to have redhair?
It really seems that it was much more common in the past.when you look at historical figures.

>>2535513

Red hair is the most recessive trait I think, along with green eyes. Maybe that's why it disappeared.

>>2535535
Green eyes are just a mix of brown and blue. Red hair is just a mix of brown and blonde. So no, it can't disappear like that since both are intermediate between the two colors.

>>2535508
>It doesn't necessarily mean "blonde" or "light blonde" because Romans described the hair color of Germanics and other barbarians as "rutilae" (red) and never "sufflavus

Not many people today have red hair, even among germans, blond is more common.

>>2535492
>implying pol wouldn't know who david is fuck of commie

>/pol/tard can't even spell 'fuck off'

Back to your reservation, dickhead.

>>2535556
That's why "rutilae" could've meant "blonde" as well. It seems to be just a term that they used to tell lighter barbarians apart from them. "Sufflavus" is more in the realm of light brown, chestnut or auburn.

>>2535574
so you are a commie

>>2535578
What is the matter with blonde Romans?

There are blonde, brown or black haired Italians nowadays.

So there were Romans with similar attributes back then.

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>>2535594
It's very hard to find any person of note with yellow nordcuck hair, so I doubt any important Roman figure had that hair color. Blue/grey/green eyes were common among them though.

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>>2535610
>I doubt any important Roman figure had that hair color
Commodus had blond hair and a blond beard.

>>2531369
get that boy in a squirt out of here

>>2535610
Tesla had blue eyes, so did Bach.

>>2531454
thats because most people havnt been to scandinavia to look at the rest

>>2535622
Source? If the term used for it is "sufflavus" then we can safely discard it.

>>2531546
measure them shitforbrains

a civilazation with no mixed breading is one that is not thriving.
It means that you live isolated with nothing worth seeing and nothing worth trading.
Look at all the most successful civilizations and then take a look at tribes in the amazon.

Nordics were fucked and had to leave home and go raid other peoples fridges, once they got there they established themselves (oh shit crops actually grow here !), thrived and then themselves mixed.

tldr; the "purer'' the race, the more fucked it is

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>>2535647
Multiple sculptures/busts of him, as the one in Athen, depict him with a blond beard, for instance.

>>2535555
eye color doesn't work like paint you thick thick clot

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>>2535622
>the only one who got assassinated during the Nerva–Antonine dynasty

Cleary, his Nordick traits didn't do him much good.

>>2531455
>Micheangelo's David of Israel
>Greek
FTFY

>>2535696
>his Nordick traits
His father is based, though

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>>2535696
>mfw the only blond emperor is literally hercules

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>>2535690
Unless we restore them to their original color we can't be sure. That doesn't really look like yellow to me. Again, what source describes him as blonde and what term is used for it in Latin?

Probably because they are all Persian and Mongol rape babies.

>>2535725
Not the only one
>Nero had blond hair and was proud of it (he let it grow down to his back in Greece)
>Caracalla wore a blond wig and celtic clothing on his expeditions
>Lucius Verus (relative of Commodus) had blond hair
>Theodosius I had blond hair
Anglos and Jews never mention this.

>>2532012
>turks and greeks have interbred

You mean anatolians and greeks because actual mongoloid turks interbred themselves out of existence with the local anatolian stock the moment they conquered the fucking place.

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>>2535753
Are you using this stormnigger source as a basis for this bullshit? Reminder that there isn't a single source here besides Suetonius that is reliable and "subflavum/sufflavus" means most likely light brown or chesnut as Augustus isn't blonde in the polychrome reconstruction of his statue: >>2535508

>>2531501

with that lie you could burn in hell

>>2531501
>Jew
>uncircumcised

>>2531418
>>2531428
This. Greeks have always been swarthy.

>>2535774
Lucius Verus grew a barbarian-like beard and spewed gold dust over his ''sufflavus'' hair, even if, as you say, they weren't actually blond, Emperors like Lucius and Caracalla still respected/liked the color, go push your anti-nordic propaganda somewhere else.

all the greeks moved to italy
then the greeks that were left got btfo and giga raped by the ottomans
then italy got raepd by sandniggers in the south and germans in the north
the original greeks are looooong gone, just like the native americans, all bred out

>>2535864
Blonde hair was associated with prostitutes in early Rome. They were required by law to dye their hair blonde or use blonde wigs to indicate they were whores to the people.

>>2535875

>all the greeks moved to italy
No they didn't, the greeks have had a constant presence in the mainland since antiquity. They never had a reason to leave anyway. They colonized South Italy and Asia Minor. They were the majority in Constantinople.

>then the greeks that were left got btfo and giga raped by the ottomans
The Greeks that were in Constantinople stayed after the conquest until the 20th century, when Greeks were genocided by Turks throughout Asia Minor and Constantinople, although some ancient Greek communities still exist in Cappadocia afaik. Greeks in mainland preserved their Christianity and culture, built hidden schools to educate themselves and were always planning on revolting when the time was right, which they did. Apart from a few northern Greek regions, the Turks didn't immigrate too much in the mainland. Then they swapped ethnic populations as the cherry on top. The rape thing is a myth, both people hated each other enough to either mutually steer clear or genocide.

>then italy got raepd by sandniggers in the south and germans in the north
Greek communities still exist in South Italy.

>the original greeks are looooong gone, just like the native americans, all bred out
Even if your Aryan delirium were true, Greeks in Ionian islands weren't replaced, they're still there. In the real world however, research shows that modern Greeks are the closest to ancient Greeks from anyone else. They weren't "bred" out by either Turks or Slavs. The reason they're in such a predicament today is because they started from scratch after ottoman slavery and suffered through all the historical wars and more. The Western European countries had a significant head start in industrialisation and Enlightenment. It's as simple as that.

>>2535900
>They never had a reason to leave anyway

Greece lost all of it's important scholars to Italy because they didn't want to live under the barbaric and oppressive rule of the Turkroaches: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_scholars_in_the_Renaissance

>>2535937
You put your claim at the beginning, so I thought you were referring to ancient times.

Anyway, of the scholars from Constantinople to South Italy doesn't imply that the majority of Greeks left for Italy or even that the majority of Greek scholars left for Italy. It was an expected result when barbarians conquer the wealthiest city in the world.

Many Greeks that stayed in Asia Minor and Constantinople became important parts of the ottoman administration. Also, with the re-establishment of the modern Greek state, many Greeks that had left and established themselves in America or Europe returned. Greeks have had pivotal scientists, mathematicians and literary figures in the post-Ottoman times as well, especially considering their miniscule population, so I don't know why you would try to devalue them. Theirs is a problem of state resources and corruption, not of the mind or their genetics.

>>2531232
Christ, these memes are pathetic.

Why do people engage in this kind of sad cherrypicking. Is it supposed to be "humor?"

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>>2535982
Do you want more?

>>2531807
They live near Slavs, and the one doing the rape were probably Slavs in times of the ottomans. Blonde hair or blue eyes isn't exclusive of Germanics or nordics.

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>>2535982
Some butt hurt Greeks?

I mean not even Italians be that obsessed. At least their country still relevant today, with Fiat, Ferrari, pizza, spaghetti..etc

They don't need to cling on to the past that much

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>>2531220
>What is a Roman
>What is a Turk
>What is breeding

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>>2531492
Are you taking his irony seriously or are you ironically doing that?
And this is like the second or third time I've seen you post that today.

Ancient DNA sequencing is getting better and better, soon enough we'll probably get some damn nuclear DNA from ancient Greece and ancient Italy and not just shitty mtDNA.