Stab-in-the-back myth

>>2530597

uhhhhh ummmm the Jews were being communists and stuff!!!!

>>2530602
is it just blind blame then?

Jews dressed as German sailors started the mutiny right at the time Germany was getting ready to strike back. And then Jews dressed as German solders supported them, so Jews dressed as German politicians had no choice but to force a Jew dressed as German Emperor to renounce the throne so Jews dressed as German military commanders could negotiate the truce with Jews dressed as Allies military commanders. Basically there was a single non-jew in Germany at the time, and you can guess his name.

>>2530615
Not quite. The Jews are to blame for the invention of Communism and its rise within Russia. However, even Hitler himself said later in life that he disagrees Mein Kampf, and should not have let himself be pinned down by such definite statements so early. Basically what I'm trying to get at is that the average Jewish worker was not the problem, but the conniving Zionists are the ones who should have been held at fault.

>>2530597
Propaganda

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>>2530597

>>2530747
Spartacist uprising happened after the Revolution, the abdication and the ceasefire tho.

>>2530597
Anything not explicitly in support of the group is labeled as against it, unpatriotic, etc. Just as in the iraq war, or in the divisions in the democratic party, or anyone criticizing the donald, etc.

>>2530737
this combined with
>>2530747
this

>>2530769
with these threads in general

>>2530774
*/pol/ with dates*

>>2530747
this

>>2530657
>and its rise within Russia
Umm wasn't it Germany who let Lenin travel back to Russia in like 1915-1916?

>>2530747
Why were they all Jews?

>>2530747
Honestly I can see why the Germans considered them undesirables after this.

>>2530811
>>2530816
That picture is the definition of cherry-picking and you peeps not even going on the Wikipedia to look it up yourselves

>>2530835
But I did, and at least seven WERE Jews

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Revolution_of_1918%E2%80%9319

>>2530597
anglos and jews
pro back stabbers

>>2530798
>Umm wasn't it Germany who let Lenin travel back to Russia
So you're trying to blame Germany for the figure of Lenin and what he did because they let him back into Russia?

>>2530873
And supplied him with funding, organization, weapons, created the social situation that made revolution possible, like that whole "Crushing Russian armies wholesale" thing.

>>2530597

Sabotaged the country's war efforts, and started the revolution (deliberately merged with the Spartacist Uprising), which ended the war, even though Germany was totally going to win it.

>>2530751
Yeah like a month, only a Communist or a Jew would pretend the two were not connected. It was the same playbook as what happened in Russia.
>revolutonary communists organize mutinies among the soldiers and riots among workers
>government collapses and is replaced by an ineffectual "liberal" government composed of the less hardline leftists and useful idiots
>revolutionary communists then attempt to overthrow the weak liberal government and go full Red

The only difference was that the Spartacists failed where the Bolsheviks succeeded, and the organizers came to the sticky end they rightfully deserved.

>>2530958
So how is it "stab in the back" if the war was already other by the time of the uprising?

>>2530961
I literally just explained how the "uprising" was just a continuation of the mutinies that led to Germany's withdrawal from the war.

>>2530958
Not even him, but are you seriously implying that the Whites in Russia were in bed with the Reds? Or that they were leftist? Do you have ANY idea what you're talking about?

Here's a much simpler cause and effect.
>War is going shittily, people are starving, the front is breaking.
>Sailors ordered in a suicide mission because the navy hasn't "properly fought"
>Refuse such a suicidal action, mutiny and riot
>discontent spreads, because things are actually going pretty shittily.
>Government collapses.
>In the instability, other, smaller groups like communists try to take on this new, weak government where they wouldn't dare to strike at the older, imperial government.

>>2530969
So are you saying the Reds organized the mutiny and the Revolution but for some reason they didn't take the power but instead staged the desperate uprising a month latter?

>>2530970
>Not even him, but are you seriously implying that the Whites in Russia were in bed with the Reds?
Are you seriously implying that "the Whites" were a unified ideological block, and not just a hodgepodge of interests united only by their resistance towards the Bolshevics?
Obviously I'm not calling the Whites Reds dumbass.

>>2531019
They were predominantly rightest military officials, and not left in any sense of the word.

>Obviously I'm not calling the Whites Reds dumbass.

No, you're just saying that it's all part of the master plan of the Judeo-communists to first stage a revolt with their pawns and then revolt against them, as if that makes any sense whatsofuckingever.

>>2531019
>>2531032
There was no "Whites" until mid 1918 tho.

>>2530983
>ignoring their link to SPD

>>2531032
>No, you're just saying that it's all part of the master plan of the Judeo-communists to first stage a revolt with their pawns and then revolt against them, as if that makes any sense whatsofuckingever.

Hey it's not my fault that the two incidents in question practically mirror each other, blame the "Judeo-communists" for being unimaginative not me.

>>2531064
>Several parties were in a coalition against the government
>Therefore this tiny party I don't like is responsible for everything
Again, if they had organized everything and had had influence over SPD, why start the doomed uprising in the first place?

>>2530597
>How exactly did the home front betray Germany in WW1?
they didn't
>What did the "Jew" do, that allegedly lost Germany the war?
nothing

in fact peace saved Germany from the absolute disaster it would have faced in the Winter/Spring/Summer of 1919.

>we lost the war and we need someone to blame it on other than ourselves. I have an idea!

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>>2530597
>What did the "Jew" do, that allegedly lost Germany the war?
Nothing

>>2530747
>Jews serve in the military at higher rates than ethnic Germans in WW1! But they fucked it over!
>I will only focus on the Spartacist uprising, whose primary leader Liebnecht, was not Jewish. I will of course ignore every OTHER socialist group.
>I will ignore how the Bolsheviks were actually financed by the Kaiser's government, and that Balts were more prominently represented in the Bolshevik party than Jews were.

>>2530597
>hold muh schnapz und vatch dis...
>Prussian military establishment supports the rise of ultra-violent communist party in Russia
>oh shit the same terrible war-time conditions that helped the commies in Russia are helping it spread here!
>oh shit Eric! we made a monster...
>it's ok I got an idea...

"it vas der Juden"

>>2531099
>collapse of a government leads to brutal melee of various revolutionary groups trying to exploit the power vacuum
>in Russia the winner is gommunism, in Germany it isn't
>instead of being normal power struggles at a terrifying new level it's a schemes by the dastardly juden

was Beiyang China also a jewish plot, because it seemed to go through the exact same period

>>2531126
>Jews serve in the military at higher rates than ethnic Germans in WW1!
source?

>>2531093
>continues to treat the Spartacists as if they were just some fringe group unaffiliated with anyone but themselves and that revolutionary workers and soldiers councils sprang up throughout Germany magically without any organizing influence whatsoever.

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>>2531126
fucking eternal Lutheran...

>>2531126
> Balts were more prominently represented in the Bolshevik party than Jews were
I agree with the overall message, but this isn't actually true. Balts were the force Bolsheviks used extensively at the start of the Civil War, but they weren't ideologically motivated, neither did they join the party en masse, they fought mostly because Bolsheviks promised self-determination for the peoples of the empire and payed well.

>>2530873
It is more Germany's fault than any Jew.

>>2531144
>was Beiyang China also a jewish plot
If Communists were the driving force behind the collapse then probably yes.

>>2531148
not that guy but I've read that in several different books on WW1..."the Darkest Valley", "Bonhoeffer" and "Einstein in Berlin" off the top of my head.

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>>2530747

>>2531152
> class traitors
Lel, murrican commies have nothing to do with working class.

>>2531156
>Germans
>Jews
The only difference is the lack of foreskin.

>>2531165
do they provide sources or numbers themselves?

>>2531149
>continues to behave as if all socialist organization throughout Germany was exclusively maintained by the shadowy clutches of the Spartacists and no one else at all

>>2531148
>Judenzahlung is expressly done to prove that Jews aren't serving in the army and generally not contributing to der Fatherland's survival and is carried out with the overt purpose of justifying anti-semetism
>mysteriously, the results aren't published

let me guess, the Jews somehow pulled strings to prevent the results from being released?

>>2531149
They were crushed by the SPD government. Yes, they were originally part of SPD but they split when they realized that SPD isn't revolutionary enough.
The councils in Germany sprang up rather spontaneously. Soldiers and workers were mostly pro-SPD. The communists were never that popular in Germany.

>>2531195
what the fuck are you talking about

do you have a source or not for your statement

>>2530747
>/pol/tards STILL openly lie about this

>>2531187
both if I remember correctly...WW1 German army records are pretty complete. Also they recorded people's religion pretty well too. It'd be easy to document or refute.

>>2531218
can you provide them

>>2531122
Holocaust nowadays is mostly a pop-cultural meme, people don't really think about all this suffering caused by the Nazis. It's honestly disgusting. Imagine being a Jewish German patriot in the 1930s. People you fought for now call you a traitor, destroy your property, beat you up and even try to murder your entire ethnic/religious group.

>>2531195
>continues to behave as if all socialist organization throughout Germany was exclusively maintained by the shadowy clutches of the Spartacists and no one else at all
No, I'm maintaining that Reds are Reds, and that you don't get to pretend that the Spartacists were some kind of unconnected aberation that had nothing to do with the mutinies prior to the January uprising.

>>2530850
Yes, but not in the revolution against the reich. The table shows the people in the spartacist uprising, which is why the weimar republic and the reich appear on the same side.

>>2531212
They openly lie about their ideas and still think they're 100% true and just.

It's a fucking sickness, I tell you.

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>>2530958

Do you have proof what so ever that jewish communist used their jewish mind tricks on the sailors to start the revolution? And if they did, then why would they waste that extra step in making it a more moderate government for the communist to over throw instead of just directly making it a communist government? Especially since this failed horribly in Germany?

>>2531229
Well, considering most of them were in jail they really didn't.

>>2530747
The funny thing is that the "Germans" did way more harm to their own people than the "Jews" ever could. These people were fighting for the proletariat.

>>2530958
>I have literally no argument besides an analogy that doesn't prove my point and speculation but everyone who disagrees is a jew

>>2531236
It really is amazing how many of the Nazi stereotypes about Jews apply to /pol/tards

>>2531237
Not only that, but they also made it an anti communist government. Those jews are seriously retarded.

>>2531203
>The councils in Germany sprang up rather spontaneously.
So people all across Germany organized themselves into Bolshevik style "soviets" at the exact same time, by pure coincidence? This is what you believe?

>>2531212
>>2531236

theres one canadian stormfag on /pol/ that continues to shitpost this every day even though most of the replies are just people calling him out on his bullshit. And its a vicious cycle because the more he makes the threads, the more people call him out, and the more his lies are exposed to more people.

I dont know if they are just scumbag liars or are just these really stupid people who just deny reality for their little meme ideas.

>>2530597
those are some nice jew tiddies

>>2531244
why put those two things in quotes

>>2531241
"Most of them" were not in jail. Liebknecht and Luxemburg being in jail does not magically cause the rank and file to fall into a stupor like something out of a fairytale.

>>2531262
Councils are older than the bolsheviks. SPD was the biggest and most popular party and the councils were a symbol of revolutionaries since at least 1905. It wasn't something inherent to bolsheviks.

>>2531262
> Bolshevik style "soviets"
You have no idea, don't you? Soviets inherently have nothing to do with Bolsheviks, the word itself means "council", it is a form of self-organization and direct democracy. They self-organized in the March 1917, but Bolsheviks stated to dominate them only by the October.

>>2531222
will you suck my dick afterwards?

read a book you lazy cunt, it's well documented. Jews and Catholics both considered WW1 as an opportunity to show that they were "good Germans".

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>>2531237
>And if they did, then why would they waste that extra step in making it a more moderate government for the communist to over throw instead of just directly making it a communist government?
>why do you cut out a wedge from one side of a tree before cutting the other?
No one knows.....

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>>2531228
Thats what happen to every historical events when it got old, Genghis Khan is now a meme, and so will Hitler, get over it

>>2531295
I asked for a source from the original person who made the claim you rude double nigger, how about you not fucking reply if you can't actually provide what I'm asking for

retard

>>2531299

Thats retarded though. If you are going to trick people into over throwing the government, why would you not replace it immediately with your government? Why would you replace it with a government that is openly hostile to you and then kills you off when you try to over throw it?

>>2531284
>the word itself means "council"
Why do you think I called them soviets idiot?
"Councils" may have nothing to do with Bolshevism, but when Bolshevik style "Worker and Soldier" councils spring up only a Bolshevik would pretend there's no connection.

>>2531275
I don't like in-grouping them into two simple identities when its clearly more complicated than that.

>>2531310
because ideally the replacement government will be weaker than the previous government. This isn't rocket science, you're making this more complicated than it is because you don't want to admit that communist agitation led to the collapse of the German war effort and the stabbed in the back "myth" has some strains of truth to it.

>>2531317
I'm sure you'd prefer to split them up into classes and economic groupings instead

fuck off you ideologically involved queer

>>2531320
>because ideally the replacement government will be weaker than the previous government.

then why did they do the exact opposite and replace it with a government that kicked their asses? Again, why even bother with this step and not just make a communist government a new one from the start?

You getting more openly hostile isnt really helping your point at all. And again, you still never explained exactly how jewish communist tricked the sailors into starting the revolution. You didnt even name the specific communist jews responsible. You just speak in very vague ways

>>2531320

But what benefit would there be to having a weaker government, when you can just go straight ahead to the government you want, without the risk of having a second revolution?

>>2531204
>judenzahlung
>"what are you talking about"

here's the source: www.justfuckinggoogleitorreadagoddamnbook.com

>>2531311
>>2531320
You literally have not given a single piece of evidence supporting your point. All you have is dumb analogies and ridiculous speculation fueled by confirmation bias.

>>2531341
>ask for source on specific point you bring up
>HURR DURR READ THE ENTIRETY OF THESE FOUR BOOKS LOL WOT R U STUPID?
fuck OFF you silly nigger, just give me the stats you insist exist or admit your point is bogus, which it is if you don't actually try to back it up at all

>>2531348
Would you google "judenzahlung" like that anon says already?

>>2531348
http://letmegooglethat.com/?q=judenzahlung

>>2531348
>"unless you make an image macro referencing a bunch of stuff your point is invalid"

>>2531335
>>2531337
Why are you acting as if you can just go straight from street-fighting to government in one step?
When you're fucking someone in the ass, do you just jam it in or do you work it in slowly? Fucking people in the ass with communism is no different. An anti-communist government will resist communism tooth and nail, a communist sympathetic government may resist but not to the extent the previous government did.

The German Reds simply miscalculated their support in the new government and got kicked in the balls accordingly for trying to fuck Germany in the ass with communism too quickly.

>>2531304
lol...a curious person would google the claim, most of us have better things to do then conduct a research project for a fucking NEET /pol/tard who would just reject the claim out of hand...

the truth is out there bitch, do your own homework or better yet read up on the subject you lazy bastard.

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>>2531373
>tree cutting metaphor
>ass fucking metaphor

>>2531345
>Hey these revolutionary Marxist organizations follow similar models of operation despite being seperated by hundreds of miles, there's probably a connection.
>THAT'S JUST RIDICULOUS SPECULATION FUELED BY YOUR CONFIRMATION BIAS REEEEEE
t. Red

>>2531386
Reply to me again when you have any kind of evidence backing you up, stormnigger. I'm not interested in your anal analogies and ramblings.

>>2531373

can you please provide evidence for you claims instead of talking about ass fucking?

>>2531381
There is literally nothing wrong with being a lumberjack.

>>2531386

oh look, you still havent posted anything at all to back up your claim and just claim those asking for proof are part of this 100 year old conspiracy

>>2531397
I'd go so far as to say it's OK.

>>2531394
I'm not sure what level of evidence you require beyond the actual historical facts I've already brought up. Sworn testimony from Lenin that the leftwing revolutionary movements in Germany were actually leftwing revolutionary movements?

>>2531373

That still makes no sense. Why would there be resistance at all when the all powerful JOOS apparently can overthrow governments at will?

>>2531400
>100 year old conspiracy
Marxism is more than a 100 years old.

>>2531410

please provide proof that jewish communist tricked sailors into doing the Keital Mutiny which would snowball into a revolution to establish a new government that the communist could take over and stop trying to move the goal post

>>2531412
>JOOS
I didn't say anything about Jews, I said that the stabbed in the back "myth" has some truth to it as the German war effort was in fact undermined by the same revolutionary communist movements that undermined the Russian war effort.

>>2531429
You see, it all started when the councils of lumberjacks started having anal sex...

>>2531433
Which you have massively failed to prove besides speculation.

>>2531429
Why should I have to prove something I never claimed?

>>2531441
You're right. I'm sorry, it's all just a coincidence. Marxist revolutionary movements are just another example of that most mysterious and ancient phenomnenon of spontaneous generation, like how maggots grow from rotting meat and not from eggs laid by flies.

>>2531446
>I never claimed?

at least you finally realize how dumb this shit is, even if you are too proud to admit to being wrong and have to just move the goal post in order to save face

>>2531473

It's almost like left wing revolutionary movements are all based on the central idea of "wait until the government is weak and try to overthrow them" or something...

>>2531473
Lol fuck off /pol/

No, it's total bullshit.
German Army was DEFEATED in the field. The fact they didn't collapse completely doesn't mean much because they wouldn't be able to resist Entente forces effectively had the war not ended.
Stab-in-the-back myth was literally propagated by Hindenburg and Ludendorff in order to relieve them of guilt for losing the war.
Post-war revolution some idiots here use as an argument happened AFTER the war.
>>2531473
You're either trying to force your shitty propaganda or you have very little knowledge about WW1 and how it went.
German Army was fucking raped in the West. Do you understand this?
They lost. They were defeated in the field. They were outnumbered, outmaneuvered and there was no more manpower to throw into meatgrinder.
Alleged actions behind the front, which you don't bother to prove happened, literally mean nothing EVEN IF THEY OCCURRED because German Army was beaten in the field and Germany had no more resources to fight effectively.

>>2531373
Are you seriously suggesting that the SPD were installed by Judaeo-Bolshevik conspirators?

Could you please back that up?

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>>2530657
>The Jews are to blame
>for the invention of Communism.

So if A JEW comes up with AN IDEOLOGY, the entirety of the Jewish people is to blame? What sort of bullshit is that? The accomplishments of the individual should not be leached upon by a collective.

Blacks for instance are not collectively responsible for peanut butter.

Why do Neo-Nazis always push the "Jews play both sides" crap?

Obviously no self-respecting Jew will support a regime that is explicitly against them. But other than that, they don't have a general political alignment. Like whites, they occupy all sides of the political spectrum.

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>>2530747
wtf I renounce my yarmulka now

>>2532686
>oy vey, the goyim found us out, better play it cool so they don't suspect anything
Hahahaha, KIKE!

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>>2531170
>this list is wrong and isn't even on wiki
lmao did some butthurt jew from reddit tried to edit revise the /pol/ propaganda hoping people won't check the the sources?
/pol/ was right again I guess

>>2532672
>So if A JEW comes up with AN IDEOLOGY, the entirety of the Jewish people is to blame?
That's not even the case, as communism predates marx (who wasn't jewish in any sense except genetically anyway). But yes, /pol/ treats jews as if they shared a single consciousness, they're that retarded.

>>2532790
>Posts different list, than the one from memegraphic

What was your point again, nigger?

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>>2532698
Little does he know I was pretending to be a found-out-Jew so he could feel validated in his anti-semitism, thus furthering my anti-semite agenda.

*writhes hands merchantly*
*Nose oozes puss*

You've been had, bucko

>>2532808
literally the same list with couple of names missing, reminder who edits wikipedia pages?

>>2532790
As has been explained a million times, that is not the list of the november revolution, it's a list of the spartacist uprising, which is why the reich and the weimar republic appear on the same side.

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>>2531263
They feel validated when disagreed with.
They feel validated when ignored.
They feel validated when agreed with.
Ergo,
They never stop winning.

DON'T STOP
BELIEVIN'

>>2532790
Eisner is one of the noly relevant to 1918,even then just the dying days right before the Kaiser fled and Max von Baden announced his abdication in absentia.

>>2532831
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Revolution_of_1918%E2%80%9319
idk what kind of mental gymnastics are you trying to pull here, but it's clearly a list of german revolution

>>2531263
link?

>>2532864

READ THE FUCKING ARTICLE FOR CHRIST SAKE YOU STUPID FAGGOT! WE ARE BEING CIVIL WITH YOU IN THE WAY AN ADULT EXPLAINS TO A CHILD WHY HE CANT HAVE MORE CANDY UNTIL AFTER DINNER BUT THIS HAS GONE ON LONG ENOUGH

YOU STUPID FAGGOTS JUST CTRL+F "JEW" AND THEN THINK YOU FIGURED IT ALL OUT! THE GERMAN REVOLUTION WASNT JUST ONE THING YOU STUPID PIECE OF SHIT, IT WAS REVOLUTION AFTER REVOLUTION FOR YEARS. THE INITIAL REVOLUTION AND THE REIGNING POWER WASNT JEWISH COMMUNIST. AGAIN, READ THE FUCKING ARTICLE, EVEN A LITTLE BIT OF IT YOUFUCKING CHILD. GOD DAMNIT I WANT TO FUCKING GAS YOU RETARDS HOW CAN YOU BE THIS FUCKING BRAINDEAD YOU MOP?!

>>2532864
Why are /pol/tards always so fucking ignorant? There are three sides in that chart, and the ones on the bottom left are the leaders of the german revolution in 1918, while the people on the right are the leaders of the spartacist uprising AFTER the war was over, against the SOCIALISTS in 1919.
>Ebert was a pivotal figure in the German Revolution of 1918–19. When Germany became a republic at the end of World War I, he became its first chancellor.
>In October 1918, Noske became a member of the leadership of the SPD Reichstag group. When the Kiel mutiny started in early November, Prince Max von Baden, the new chancellor, sent Noske to Kiel to negotiate an end to the revolt.[2] The mutineers welcomed Noske and elected him as Chairman of the Soldiers' Council (later "Governor"), since they considered him—a social democrat—to be on their side.
>In the German Revolution of 9 November 1918, Wels was a member of the Berlin Workers' council (Arbeiter- und Soldatenrat) of the SPD and USPD. He was appointed military commander of the city and consequently had to deal with the occupation of the Stadtschloss by revolutionary forces including violent fights with Freikorps units.
The spartacist uprising is a part of the revolution that happened after the war and after the socialists were in the government. This isn't a subjective opinion, it's what happened.

>>2532884
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/image/bu7f0KrOnQrtpLvtgTPhOw/

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>>2532932
sorry niggers you revised history so much that there's no such thing as objective fact anymore, everything is driven by political bias nowadays

>>2532980
>nowadays
you mean always?

>>2532980
>I'm too stupid to find good information
>there's no such thing as objective truth any more

How does it feel to be the human equivalent of a cancer cell?

>>2532980
Fuck off retard.

>>2532980
>everything is driven by political bias nowadays

YEAH, BY YOU TRYING TO RATIONALIZE YOUR STUPID FUCKING ILLUMINATI SHIT BECAUSE YOURE TOO MUCH OF A FAGGOT TO JUST ADMIT THAT YOU WERE WRONG.

YOU WERE SO STUPID THAT YOU FELL FOR SOME RETARDED SHIT THAT A QUICK GOOGLE SEARCH WOULD HAVE PROVEN WRONG. YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS OBJECTIVELY WRONG YOU DUMB NIGGER. NOW FUCK OFF IN SHAME. THERES NO SAVING THIS, YOURE A STUPID ASSHOLE

>>2532980
>JEWS ARE BEHIND EVERYTHING LOOK AT THIS PROPAGANDA INFOPIC
>your infopic is retarded because of X, you ignorant fuck
>OBJECTIVE TRUTH DOESN'T EXIST ANY OPINION IS VALID EVEN WHEN THEY ARE CONTRADICTED BY EVIDENCE I'M A POSTMODERN NEONAZI NOW LALALALALA I'M NOT LISTENING
Kill yourself.

>>2533004
>>2533011
>waaah I just came from reddit
>this is my first encounter with an Internet Neo-Nazi
Calm down you pussy faggot

>>2533011
>>JEWS ARE BEHIND EVERYTHING LOOK AT THIS PROPAGANDA INFOPIC
not everything just everything that has ties to communist, marxism or any other leftwing garbage ideology

>>2533017
We're two different people.

>>2533021
>there's no such thing as objective fact
>except when it comes to affirming my retarded conspiracies, of course

>>2533017
>somebody acts like a faggot
>gets flamed

Everything seems to be functioning normally, I'm not sure what you're complaining about.

>>2533017

NO ONE IS SCARED OF YOU LARPING AS A BIG SCAWY NAZI YOU CHILDISH VIRGIN. WE ARE SICK AND TIRED OF YOUR IDIOCY. YOURE A DUMBASS THATS SO STUPID THAT YOUR RETARDATION HAS BROKEN US INTO FITS OF RAGE. NO ONE IS SCARED OF YOU IN ANY WAY. YOU ARE UTTERLY PATHETIC AND STUPID.

>>2533029
>>there's no such thing as objective fact
I was talking about history overall not what I can experience and observe myself

>>2530747
oh wow

>>2533045
Please go on about how you directly observed a jewish conspiracy.

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>>2533043
did somebody cut your supply of cupcakes lmao

>>2533056

STOP TRYING TO TURN THIS AROUND YOU TOTALLY IMPOTENT IDIOT. NONE OF YOUR LARPING IS GOING TO SAVE YOU FROM THE FACT THAT YOU JUST PROVED TO EVERYONE WHAT A FUCKING RETARD YOU ARE.

>>2533068
Stop feeding him analdevastated all caps (You)s then you abject fucking retard.

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>>2533068
unlike reddit monkey like who has ideological curtains close off I don't take everything at face value on an anonymous imageboard

>>2533100
>I don't take everything at face value on an anonymous imageboard
>says after defending propaganda that can be refuted by googling for 5 seconds

>>2533121
which one of these was refuted
>>2530747
>>2531170

>>2533133
The first, my brainlet friend. Remember that time when you were refuted and had to become a postmodern for a moment? It really wasn't long ago.

>>2533043
hahahaha

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>>2532980
>The more I argued with them, the better I came to know their dialectic. First they counted on the stupidity of their adversary, and then, when there was no other way out, they themselves simply played stupid. If all this didn't help, they pretended not to understand, or, if challenged, they changed the subject in a hurry, quoted platitudes which, if you accepted them, they immediately related to entirely different matters, and then, if again attacked, gave ground and pretended not to know exactly what you were talking about. Whenever you tried to attack one of these apostles, your hand closed on a jelly-like slime which divided up and poured through your fingers, but in the next moment collected again. But if you really struck one of these fellows so telling a blow that, observed by the audience, he couldn't help but agree, and if you believed that this had taken you at least one step forward, your amazement was great the next day. The Jew had not the slightest recollection of the day before, he rattled off his same old nonsense as though nothing at all had happened, and, if indignantly challenged, affected amazement; he couldn't remember a thing, except that he had proved the correctness of his assertions the previous day.
>Sometimes I stood there thunderstruck. I didn't know what to be more amazed at: the agility of their tongues or their virtuosity at lying. Gradually I began to hate them.
NEO-NAZIS BTFO BY ADOLF HITLER HIMSELF

/POL/ ON SUICIDE WATCH

>>2533164
he clearly talked about jews, search what a pilpul is you sperg

>>2533231

>being THIS retarded

>>2533150
it wasn't refuted, somebody just made a shitty reddit post about it and just put "LIES" everywhere with red bold text, there was no logical conclusion as to why the picture was wrong

>>2531326
>fuck off you ideologically involved queer
look who's triggered!

>>2533237
>I am retarded for not reading a wall of text
what makes it think hitler himself wrote that quote?

>>2533268

You're retarded for not realising that stormfaggots use exactly the same tactics Hitler accuses the Jews of using.

>>2533268
Also

>what makes it think hitler himself wrote that quote?
>Mein Kampf

Fucking lol

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>It's another thread of /pol/tards ruining a thread with unrelated anti-semitic bullshit

If you want to prove that Germany was stabbed in the back, post evidence that jews were working against Germany DURING THE WAR.
Fuck off with your "muh jewish gommunism" 1919 bullshit and actually argue.

>>2533253
>somebody just made a shitty reddit post about it and just put "LIES" everywhere with red bold text, there was no logical conclusion as to why the picture was wrong
Do you think I'm blind, stormnigger? There one big "LIE" in the entire picture, and the text right after it explains why it's a lie. The rest is also explained and easy to check by googling.
In any case, the original picture was created to support the idea of the stab in the back and pretended that those were the leaders of the revolution in 1918, which is objectively false. Of course, since all evidence goes against your preconceived ideas, truth suddenly becomes too ideologically nebulous to assess (which doesn't prevent you from magically knowing shit though).

>>2533297
>Do you think I'm blind
you probably are

>>2533287
can you give me the page he wrote that on

>>2533321

What fuckfuck game are you trying to play now? That Hitler didn't really write it?

>>2533321
Are /pol/tards allergic to google and to researching? It would certainly explain why they are so easy to brainwash.

>>2533341
nope can't find that quote in his book that he wrote, either it's differently or it was a speech or published somewhere other than his book
>What fuckfuck game are you trying to play now? That Hitler didn't really write it?
I am just trying to prove how ignorant you're truly are

>>2533351

He's undoubtedly going to come out with some shot like "hurrrr you really believe that?!?! Where you read that? KIKEPEDIA???? HAHA! (((((THEY)))))) edit it to suit their diabolical ends, He never said that at all."

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>>2533354

>>2533354

That's funny, because it's on page 81 of this 1941 English translation.

https://archive.org/details/meinkampf035176mbp

>>2533380
Should have strung the retard on for longer, how dumb does he have to be to ask for just the page number and not the edition? You should have enjoyed that.

>>2533375
I like what you did with the tabs there, anon.

>>2533380

Oh look, it's on page 59 of this 1938 translation too!

https://archive.org/stream/MeinKampf_483/HitlerAdolf-MeinKampf-VolumeIIi1939525P.#page/n58/mode/1up

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>>2533375
>>2533380
>>2533434
if is truly written by Hitler, why deny Jewish supremacy since he wrote what he observed and came to an objective conclusion?

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>>2533434

>herpderp archive.org is run by ((((((((((((them)))))))))))!!! It's just Jewish tricks!!!!!!!

It's also on page 42 Ford translation, from a website for National Action, who have recently been to the UK proscribed organisations kist as Neo-Nazi terrorists.

https://nationalactionlondon.wordpress.com/essential-reading/
Pic related if you pisd your pants at the idea of looking at a spoopy scardy wordpress site.

>>2533466

>Hitler gets buttdevastated because the other filthy hobos he was living alongside in Vienna didn't all instantly agree with him
>this proof of Jewish supremacism

Are you just stringing words together now?

>>2533567
no I am just trying to find out why people defend jews so much
why did his anti-sematic views got his party into the government then?

>>2533567
We've reached the phase in which he pretends that he was only pretending to be a retard all along. There's no reason to respond.

>>2533604

So now you've gone from demanding proof that Hitler actually wrote that, to prove how ignorant we are,to just wanting to find out more about Hitler rise to power.

Truly the quote fits.

>>2533611
>>2533620
no just connecting the dots, what 1918 revolution has to do with jews and how it got Hitler into power and was he right or wrong

>>2533354
>he has a copy of Mein Kampf
wew

>>2533658

>posting >>2533354 is "just connecting the dots"

Damage control activated!

>>2533658
>what 1918 revolution has to do with jews
Literally nothing.

>and how it got Hitler into power
Hitler got less votes than socialists/communists in every free election before getting appointed by hindenburg, despite all their nazi propaganda.

>>2532672
what's it like being unable to read a post to completion?

a black didn't "invent" peanut butter either, not that that's the right word for mashing some nuts.

>American elite in the 1890s was mostly Anglo-Saxon and protestant
Okay

>wealthy elites in Singapore are mostly ethnically Chinese
Okay

>all the wealth in 19th century Baltics was held by a handful of wealthy Germans
Okay

>many upper class, elite families in Britain have Norman ancestry
Okay

>modern media and finance in the west is mostly controlled by Jews
HOW DARE YOU CONSPIRACYTARD ANTISEMITE, GO BACK TO /POL/

Why is this type of reaction so prevalent on /his/?

>>2533702
Because you have no evidence to back up your claims besides easy to refute /pol/tard infopics. Nice imaginary quotes, by the way.

>>2533716
Go to the Forbes top 500 list and see how many Jews you can count.

>>2533702
Nobody said anything about modern media, anons were just pointing out that the (((le Jews))) did not in fact stab Germany in the back in WW1. Widespread Jewish influence wasn't really a thing until post-WW2.

Also, have you ever considered that Jews are naturally intelligent and adaptable and that they rise to the top by their own merit rather than a global Jewish conspiracy?

>>2533721
>waaaah why are Jews better than whites at finance waaah
Maybe if white Christians didn't force their Jews to have no choice but to become moneylenders this shit wouldn't be happening

>>2533716
https://web.archive.org/web/20120705065748/http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/jews-do-control-the-media/
Seriously, this isn't a debate.

>>2533692
>Literally nothing.
I went through the list of the names that were leaders of the socialist democratic movement, almost every single has ties jewish ancestry

>>2533739
I'm not denying it, retard. I'm just saying that it's not conclusive evidence of any sort of conspiracy.

>>2533732

By slithering back to your echo chamber hug box of choice, presumably.

>>2533769
Is this a false flag? Or are you really this dumb?

Just close the thread and stop pretending to be retarded. It's okay to be wrong sometimes.

>>2533721
>1. Bill Gates
No
>2. Amancio Ortega
No
>3. Warren Buffett
No
>4. Carlos Slim Helu
No
>5. Jeff Bezos
No
>6. Mark Zuckerberg
Yes
>7. Larry Ellison
No
>8. Michael Bloomberg
Yes
>9. Charles Koch
No
>10. David Koch
No

What a conspiracy! Not that it would prove a conspiracy anyway, of course.

>>2533739
It's neither true nor would it prove a conspiracy.

>>2533744
>opinion article
Nice "proof".

/pol/tards are in urgent need of a logic class.

>>2533752
>modern media and finance in the west is mostly controlled by Jews
>HOW DARE YOU CONSPIRACYTARD ANTISEMITE, GO BACK TO /POL/

>Because you have no evidence to back up your claims besides easy to refute /pol/tard infopics.
>i'm not denying [the claim that was actually made], i'm just giving a perfect example of calling out everybody who brings it up /pol/
This has been an exciting chain to see unfold.

>>2533769

Triggered/10

>>2533752
I never mentioned any conspiracy either. But by even SAYING that the Jews own the media you basically become a pariah.

>>2533781
>Jeff Bezor
>no
Are you trolling?

>>2533782
There are more whites than Jews controlling media and finance. Obviously this is evidence of an (((international white conspiracy))) to keep non-whites down.

Hmm, this sounds familiar...

>>2533702
>Dolchstoßlegende memeing gets blown out
>finally just resorts to modern day spoopy Jew media finance control

>>2533795
I never cared about le Kraut legend.

>>2533791
Your stormfag page says so:
http://www.jewornotjew.com/profile.jsp?ID=1827

>>2533790
You're obviously insinuating that Jewish people being in positions of power is inherently bad. And you're moving the goalposts, this thread is about the (debunked) stab-in-the-back theory.

>>2533794
>whites control things in pre-dominantly white countries
h-holy shit, /pol/ btfo

>>2533802
Read the OP then you mouth breather, and fuck off

>>2533782
We're two different people retard.

>>2533807
Indeed, they claim otherwise.

>>2533807
>be a tiny minority of people who have been bred for centuries to be moneylenders because Christians had an irrational fear of banking
>stop being discriminated against
>suddenly you and your people rise to the top of finance
Hmm really makes me think

>>2531152
>muh profits

This doesn't work when a lot of Fascists simply want autarky.

>>2533699

I read your post to completion
I disagree with your notion that, quote, "The Jews are to blame for the invention of Communism."

>>2530632
kek

>>2533043

WE

>>2533164

did you even know

that /pol/ is the jew of 4chan

>>2533290

>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE MUH ANTISEMITISM

>>2537694
>it's okay to lie about historical facts because I don't like jews
Come back next time when you have some real evidence, stormnigger

>>2533794
>There are more whites than Jews

no way, who could have thought.

The key concept here is "per capita".

>>2537703

if you deny evidence is real then that mean it doesn't real?

Are you saying the majority of people holding leadership positions in the Spartacists weren't Jewish? Why is pointing that out anti-Semitic?

>>2537707
>waaah people I don't like have money
You're doing the same thing as niggers who think that whitey is keeping them poor n shiet.

Actually, getting mad that certain races are more successful than other races is a very SJW thing to do.
>>2537723
Read the thread dumbfuck

>>2537730
>people I don't like

Why would you assume this? Do you not understand proportional representation?

>Read the thread

kill yourself faggot

>>2537754
>waaah we need to enforce proportional representation
All of your claims have been thoroughly disproved in this thread.

>>2537730
>You're doing the same thing as niggers who think that whitey is keeping them poor n shiet.
Tbh whitey and the Jew is indeed keeping them poor.

>>2537723
>goes to a thread about stab-in-the-back myth
>posts about an unrelated event
>"Look they were all jews! no wonder the Germans wanted them gone!"
>"not an antisemite or anything though"

>>2533017
>waaah I visited another board than /pol/ for the first time
>this is my first encounter with people who know what they talk about
get rekt, son

>>2537764

you're a fucking idiot. If 1% of the population is represented in a given field at lets say 10%, and you say but a group that makes up 40% of the population is represented in that field at 20% so it doesn't matter, then you've completely missed the point and don't understand statistical significance.

Simply uneducated autist can't understand that it might be speaking to different people who both happen to think it's a retard.

>>2537780

>c-completely unrelated

as if 1919 didn't play directly into the anti-Semetic overtones of the 1930s.

>>2537814
Yes, Jews tend to be very successful. What's your point?

>>2531858
Whether or not Germany was defeated in the field is irrelevant as the immediate cause of their collapse was the revolts. If man is hit by a truck and will die from his wounds at some indeterminate point in the near future but you shoot him in the head first, his cause of death was the fact you shot him in the head not the fact he got hit by a truck.

Communists need to take responsibility for their actions, and stop pretending the Nazis were crazy people who somehow managed to convince the German people to act irrationally for no reason whatsoever. It's OK to acknowledge that maybe the Germans weren't wrong for feeling betrayed, just because we do so does not mean we have to accept their response as morally acceptable as well.

>>2533802
then why are you in this thread, Stormfag?

>>2537819

you continually deflect because you are attempting to advance a specific agenda. You fail and don't fool anybody.

>>2537723
>Spartacists
>1918

>>2537818
If you think it did, why not make a new thread for it?

>>2537840
You're playing dumb. What's your point?

>>2537818

>1919

So, after the war is already over then?

>>2537849

I never said they were. I specifically said 1919. I'm responding specifically to the faggots who insist the Spartacist leadership wasn't, way out of proportion to the general population, FUCKING JEWISH.

Meanwhile, they ignore the real historical repercussions of the rising.

>>2537852

I AM NOT OP

>>2537870

leftists confirmed for having the reading comprehension of actual kindergartners.

>>2537887

>did the joos really stab Germany in the back in 1918?
>yes, look at this thing that happened in 1919!

>>2533290
There's two layers to the stabbed in the back narrative, so focusing exclusively on Jews is going to send you up a blind alley.

It is objective historical fact that the German war effort by leftwing organized mutinies and general strikes, how the Jews become involved in the narrative is because Nazis consider leftism to be a product of Jewish culture. Which isn't entirely unreasonable considering even today most Jews you meet are going to be at least sympathetic to leftist causes.

So whether or not the Jews were leading every single leftist faction involved is irrelevant, as from a Nazi perspective leftism itself is Jewish.

>>2537876
The original point in that reply chain was butthurt but true, for the German army to be stabbed in the back from home they have to be fighting. If one has to round up some Jews from postwar unrest to make enough for a spoopy macro about the Dolchstoßlegende then that is dishonest. Kurt Eisner is about the only Jew relevant to the Novemberrevolution that ever gets posted.

>>2537894

1918-1919

but I'm not the one who said that. I'm btfo faggots who for whatever reason feel the need to obfuscate the identities of the people who for the most part led the uprising and will go so far as to vandalize wikipedia entries to do so.

but here you go since you need to be spoonfed

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Revolution_of_1918%E2%80%9319

>First stage: 29 October – 9 November 1918 (1 week and 4 days)
>Second stage: 3 November 1918 – 11 August 1919 (9 months and 1 week)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I

>28 July 1914 – 11 November 1918

NOTICE ANYTHING?

>>2537926
Not him, but are you legitimately retarded or something? The spoopy spartacist joos don't make an appearance until 1919, and the article doesn't say otherwise.

>>2537940

the original triggering meme info-graph doesn't even mention the spartacists.

>>2537926

Its a "stormcunts try to claim the German Revolution and the Spartacists were the same thing" episode.

>>2530597
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD0syFXAf_w

>>2537951
Again, are you retarded? Everyone listed in the meme infographic is from the spartacist uprising, not from the SPD.

>>2537953

it wasn't Jewish Revolution.jpg anon who brought up the Spartacists, it was the first reply anon who did.

lrn2chain

>>2537894
>Communists stab Germany in the back in 1918
>JEWISH communists twist the knife in 1919 because they felt the events of two months prior in 1918 didn't go far enough

OMG HOW CAN ANYONE BLAME THE JEWS IT'S UNREASONABLE FOR PEOPLE TO ASSOCIATE COMMUNIST MOVEMENTS THAT OCCUR WITHIN MONTHS OF EACH OTHER TOGETHER. ONLY AN IRRATIONAL ANTISEMITE COULD LINK JEWS TO COMMUNISM WHEN A REVOLT LED BY FANATICAL JEWISH COMMUNISTS OCCURS BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL REVOLT DIDN'T INSTALL A BOLSHEVIK STYLE DICTATORSHIP OF THE PROLETARIAT.

>>2537963

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spartacist_uprising

>Karl Liebknecht Executed
>Rosa Luxemburg Executed

oh look, Jewish Revolution.jpg anon listed MORE THAN TWO PEOPLE.

GUESS THEY WERE ALL SPARTACISTS HUH?

>>2532805
>who wasn't jewish in any sense except genetically anyway

Doesn't matter, jews have a one drop of blood policy. Also, anarchy is different from communism but nice try at deflecting. Yes you are that retarded.

>>2537979
>Communists stab Germany in the back in 1918
[citation needed]

>>2537985
Yes, they were. I don't know what you are trying to say.

>>2537987
>jews have a one drop of blood policy
False.

>anarchy is different from communism but nice try at deflecting
Arguable. Both predate marx though.

>>2537940
>The spoopy spartacist joos don't make an appearance until 1919,
Are you claiming the people involved magically sprang out of the ground fully formed in 1919?
>but Luxemburg and Liebknecht were imprisoned...
Are they capeshit supervillains who pulled off the entire 1919 revolt by themselves with their communist superpowers upon escaping the Kaiser's Phantom Zone prison?
Do you honestly believe that every leftist who took part in 1919 revolt was imprisoned and unable to participate in the events a few months prior in 1918?

>>2537995

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Toller
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Eisner
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_M%C3%BChsam
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_M%C3%BCller_(socialist)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emil_Barth
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustav_Landauer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugen_Levin%C3%A9

Bavarian Soviet Republic is not Berlin.

>>2538018
>speculation and retarded analogies guy is back
Do you have any evidence to back up your claims? No? Too bad, stormnigger. Come back when you do.

>>2537979

>getting the shit kicked out of you and your leaders executed on the spot
>twisting the knife

>>2538037
I honestly don't know what point you are trying to make.

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>>2537989
>It's a Communists pretend the general strikes and mutinies of 1918 occurred entirely by happy coincidence episode

>>2538049

shut up /leftypol/ retard, you're completely btfo. Get a life and stop shilling your vapid ideology on /his/.

>>2538051
Jesus Christ you stormiggers are hopelessly retarded. How hard can it be to understand that the right side of the pic revolted against the bottom left in 1919, after the bottom left had revolted against the top left in 1918? And no, sailors revolting in 1918 after being sent on a suicide mission in a lost war is not a coincidence. Also, >mobileposters.

>>2537989
There was Eisner in Bavaria, but that had widespread popular support, it was completely bloodless.

>>2537979
Communist movements cannot be blamed as a whole for the Novemberrevolution, which was widespread unrest fomented by the sailors uprisings, themselves triggered by naval command's plans for a final, grand "suicide cruise". The way that unrest spread through Germany like a hayfire over a matter of mere days indicates just how low popular morale was. Sure, there were commies involved, but only so much as damn near everybody was.

It should also be noted that the coalition of majority moderate left and centre left parties that governed in this period were given power by the OHL and the Kaiser, as well as the appointment of Chancellor Prince Maximillian von Baden. He was the one that announced the abdication of the Kaiser when the latter fled Berlin.

>>2538067
>damn near everybody was

doubt.png

>>2538073
Eisner's declaration of Bavarian independence, for example, was completely unopposed by military forces stationed nearby, as well as the general populace.

>>2538084

Bavaria =/= damn near everybody in Germany desu

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>>2538041
>stormnigger
Nice ad hominem
>REEEEE NO PROOF NO PROOF

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Social_Democratic_Party_of_Germany
>At the same time, the Spartakusbund, led by Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht, separated from the USPD again as well to merge with other left wing groups and form the KPD (Kommunistische Partei Deutschlands, "Communist Party of Germany").
>separated from the USPD

>the USPD participated in the strikes and mutinies of 1918
>the Spartakusbund separated from the USPD in November 1918 and formed the KPD
>The KPD participated in the revolt of 1919
>ergo the people who made up the KPD and participated in the events of 1919 also participated in the events of 1918 as they were members of the USPD at the time

>>2538117
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_division

>>2538102
It was one specific example, and one more than you've given. I'm not going to be entrapped into putting in particular effort into finding scholarly work on the makeup of Novemberrevolution while all of your claims remain unsourced.

>>2538128

what claims?

>>2538117
>the USPD reached a settlement with the SPD as the Novemberrevolution began, and even became part of the government in the form of the Rat der Volksbeauftragten ("council of people's deputies"), which was formed on November 10, 1918

>the USPD participated in the strikes and mutinies of 1918
But your own article said that the USPD reached a settlement with the SPD as the Novemberrevolution began

>>2538139
For example, that the Novemberrevolution was not popular unrest but primarily driven by communists seeking to gain power

>>2538127
>The 2nd grade in Jefferson elementary eats a lot of ice cream
>Carlos is a 2nd grader in Jefferson elementary
>Therefore, Carlos eats a lot of ice cream

Is not the same thing as...

>Jefferson elementary has students in 2nd grade
>The 2nd grade in Jefferson elementary eats a lot of ice cream
>therefore there are students in Jefferson elementary who eat a lot of ice cream

...you perfidious Red.

>>2538164
What does that have to do with anything?

>>2538193

>popular unrest
>driven by communists

these things are not mutually exclusive you know

>>2538194
Your argument is of the first type. And while we're at it, an ad hominem is using an insult as an argument (for example: "what you say is false because you are X"), not an insult itself (as in "what you say is false because of Y, you dumb X"). As most /pol/tard, you're in urgent need of a logic class.

>>2538202
The "suicide cruise" plans triggered the naval mutinies which fomented popular unrest.

>>2538200
Which strikes and mutinies then if they had reached an agreement during the Novemberrevolution? The army mutinies caused by shattered morale due to a searing blowout in the Hundred Days?

>>2538067
>Communist movements cannot be blamed as a whole for the Novemberrevolution, which was widespread unrest fomented by the sailors uprisings,
Obviously they don't bear sole responsibility, of course not every soldier that didn't want to fight a losing battle was not a communist. At the same time though it does not make sense to pretend that Communists weren't a large contributing factor to the events in question, anymore so than it makes sense to pretend Communists bear no responsibility for the collapse of the Russian war effort because not every mutinous Russian soldier was a Communist.

>>2538223
What are you even talking about?

>>2538236
>maybe if I repeat my analogies enough times, people will think I have evidence for my claims

>>2538242
Your own goddamn quote and the article you screencapped.
>But if you really struck one of these fellows so telling a blow that, observed by the audience, he couldn't help but agree, and if you believed that this had taken you at least one step forward, your amazement was great the next day. The Jew had not the slightest recollection of the day before, he rattled off his same old nonsense as though nothing at all had happened, and, if indignantly challenged, affected amazement; he couldn't remember a thing, except that he had proved the correctness of his assertions the previous day.
>Sometimes I stood there thunderstruck. I didn't know what to be more amazed at: the agility of their tongues or their virtuosity at lying.
Quit playing dumb.

>>2538208
Wrong my argument is not of the first type as I am not claiming that every individual member of the KPD participated in the November Revolution.

You are essentially claiming that the KPD purged all members who split from the USPD before the events of the 1919 revolution. The burden of proof is on you to prove this claim.

>>2538265
I'm not playing dumb. I genuinely don't understand what your point is. The fact the USPD came to an agreement with SPD does not mean they were not involved with the strikes and mutinies of the 1918. So what exactly are you getting at?

>hurr I'm a quote Hitler even though it's not actually apt because I think my opponent is a Nazi and it will make him butthurt
Grow up.

>>2531228
Yeah.

It was fuck crazy. Germany went crazy.

>>2538307
You make the fallacy twice, first using the USPD as the whole and the spartacists as the part, and second using the KPD as the whole and the spartacists as the part (of couse, the second time your claim happens to be true even though the logical structure is incorrect).
Just to be clear to stormniggers, I have no doubt that communists would have loved to lead the november revolution and overthrow the government themselves (and don't even have a problem with that), it's just objectively not what happened.

>>2538360
Those are some impressive mental acrobatics you're going through to avoid admitting that Communists took part in the events of 1918.

>>2530747
Rosa was an atheist and also was a strong Polish NATIONALIST. She even wrote about how Poles under Kraut empire was oppressed.

The krauts were afraid of getting pegged by her BIG POLISH CLIT

https://www.marxists.org/archive/luxemburg/1900/nationality/index.html

>>2530747
>an empire was turned into a republic
What a bunch of absolute scumbags, i'd never ever, EVER enjoy ANYTHING created by a bunch of people rebelling against monarchs, which is why i rip out America in every single atlas i own, the cunts.

>>2538388
I don't need "mental acrobatics" when I'm not facing any evidence.

>>2531403
They're good people, sleep all night and work all day.

>>2533769
There there little guy maybe next time you can get plate bronze, hmm? let's go get some ice cream, champ.

>>2538341
My point is which strikes and mutinies was the USPD involved in 1918 if they had come to an agreement with one of the coalition of ruling parties in the Novemberrevolution?

Would you be talking about the Januarstreik? The demands for which were an end to war and better provisioning, the strike being driven to a significant extent by pressures brought about by the OHL's attempt at managing the whole country (as well as the privations caused by the British naval blockade). But a strike which ultimately had little impact on the war effort as it stopped as quickly as it spread.

By mutinies do you mean the instances of mutiny during instances of morale collapse during the hundred days?

I feel like I'm spoonfeeding you while asking for specifics.

>>2538117
>waaaaah he called me a nigger DAS AD HOMINENE
It was an insult you fuckwit, the argument was you had no evidence, not "You are a stormfag and therefore wrong" and throwing around legitmate critiscism of shitty arguments devalues them, all because you can't handle the fact someone insulted you in their argument.

>>2538408
I provided evidence, you incorrectly used the accusation of logical fallacy to dismiss that evidence.

Essentially you're claiming that the statement
>This machine stamps license plates.
>This component of the machine that stamps license plates was removed to form a machine that stamps hubcaps.
>Ergo, there are components of the machine that stamps hubcaps which were formerly involved in the process of stamping license plates.
is a logical fallacy.

While it is certainly true that it is possible the scavenged components were swapped out before the machine was used to produce hubcaps, the burden of proof is on you to prove this.

>>2530747
>>2530632
>>2531099
>>2532790
>>2533732
>>2537979


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Amiens_(1918)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Days_Offensive

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiel_mutiny

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Megiddo_(1918)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vittorio_Veneto

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_of_Serbia,_Albania_and_Montenegro_(1918)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vardar_Offensive


I agree, the war was going gr8 for the Central Powers until those fucking Jews!!!

I mean between them collapsing on literally every front before the Spartacist Revolt, victory was just around the corner!

>>2538475
>acknowledges that the USPD were involved in the events in question
>claims that their involvement was unimportant and therefore should be ignored
Perfidious Red.

>>2530597
Nothing much. German right-wingers desperately needed someone to blame so that they themselves wouldn't get the blame for badly screwing up diplomacy prior to WW1 and leading the nation into a completely useless and devastating war that killed millions of Germans. I'm sure that many of them legitimately believed the stab in the back idea because the alternative - realizing the truth that their own kind, the right-wing military types, had fucked the country up so badly and made such enormous mistakes - would have been too psychologically devastating. So they built a victim complex instead and blamed Jews/leftists.

>>2538548
Nice strawman.
No one is making the claim that victory was around the corner for Germany.

>>2538569
>Jews made us lose the war
>what about this evidence that Germany was decisively losing the war
>god, nobody was claiming Germany was winning strawman more fgt

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>>2538564
>because jews have never worked as a 5th column in host nations before or since
>they was good citizens who dindu nuffin

>>2538558
>plays retard until he gets spoonfed a portion of a post that he can attack
Conniving shitheel stormnigger.

>>2538499
Oh god, were you the retarded analogies guy all along? You seem to be literally retarded. I'm not joking, you might actually be mentally handicapped, it's really not that hard to understand. You use an analogy in which every part of a total is involved in an action to justify the composition fallacy as an universal rule. A fallacy does not imply a false conclusion for every possible case, it just implies that the argument to justify said conclusion is invalid. Giving an example of a case in which the conclusion is true is completely irrelevant. If I said that you are wrong because you are retarded, the fact that you actually are retarded wouldn't make it any less of a fallacy, and it certainly wouldn't give you any kind of burden of proof.
Am I being trolled?

>>2538569
Except that's literally the claim. Jews made Germany lose WW1. This means they weren't losing the war before that.

See >>2530632 for instance, who says "Germany was getting read to strike back" despite them on retreat on every front.

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>>2530597
The Jews got America into the war after Germany had sent a fair peace treaty (which the other side were considering), instead Germany was crushed, blamed for WW1 and destroyed.

>>2538582
There's a difference between losing the war on your terms, and losing the war because people at home are undercutting the war effort. When you protest to end a war immediately, don't act shocked when people attribute the war ending when it did to your protests.

>>2538569
So then, you agree that Germany was LOSING the war before the "Jewish stab in the back"?

>>2538626
>That moving the goalpost

From "Jews made Germany lose WW1" to "Jews made Germany lose WW1 on their own terms".

No, Germany was in a catastrophic military situation, which is why the revolts happened.

>>2538569
Ahem
>>2530632
>right at the time Germany was getting ready to strike back.

Why do you feel the need to lie when everyone can easily fact-ch
eck you?

>>2538616
Wrong.
See
>>2537829
Just because a man is dying of terminal cancer does not absolve the nurse who smothered him to death with a pillow of murder.

>>2538307
>You are essentially claiming that the KPD purged all members who split from the USPD before the events of the 1919 revolution. The burden of proof is on you to prove this claim.
Where did he claim this?

>>2538644
I didn't make that statement, what does it have to do with me?

>>2538657
He's immune to logic. Don't get involved, I did and I'm stuck spoonfeeding introductory logic to a mentally handicapped neonazi.

>>2538627
Sure, why wouldn't I?

>>2538582
My point is that, even IF Jews/leftists had played some role in bringing about the armistice, Germany was fucked anyway by that point. The war was lost. Even if Jews/leftists played a role in the armistice, the fact is still that the German right-wing military establishment was 100 times more to blame for Germany's defeat. They should have avoided entering the war to begin with. And it would have been EASY to avoid the war. There was no appetite for war in Russia or England in early 1914. There was some appetite in France, perhaps, given the loss of Alsace-Lorraine a few decades previously, but there was nothing forcing Germany into a war. In retrospect, the proper course of action would have been to work to negotiate a settlement between Austria-Hungary and Russia over the Serbia issue. Instead the German statesmen badly fucked up and entered a war that killed millions of Germans.

>>2538626
Germany was literally starving to death. You don't need theories of subversion to explain why there would be protests against the militarist government that had gotten Germany into this condition to begin with.

>>2538653
Except there was no nurse.

>>2538663

You claimed noone had made such a statement.

>>2538683
Continued...
And if Russia had insisted on attacking Austria-Hungary, the proper course of action would have been to stay defensive in the West, hope that the French would not enter on Russia's side, and provide defensive assistance to Austria-Hungary. Everything should have been done to dissuade France from supporting Russia, and also to prevent England from entering the war. It was the job of the German leadership to figure these things out and act accordingly. They failed and got millions of Germans killed. It makes perfect sense that people protested against this government. The government badly failed Germany.

>>2538683
The Januarstreik wasn't so much a protest against a militarist government, but a military government. The OHL wanted to micromanage nearly all aspects of the civilian government and economy and wasn't particularly adept. Of course there was also the naval blockade.

>>2538657
How else do you reconcile his stance that members of the Spartakusbund were uninvolved with the events of 1918 when it was formed from members of the USPD (which was involved in the events of 1918) who split off to form a new group?
The only way such a claim can be valid is if there is no continuity of membership which requires a purge of members at some point.

>thread related to nazis
>hit bump limit within two days
we did it /his/!

>>2538683
>You don't need theories of subversion to explain why there would be protests against the militarist government that had gotten Germany into this condition to begin with.

Acts of subversion DID occur however which is why I say it is not unreasonable for Germans to feel butthurt over communists organizing actions to end the war and take down the government.

>>2538712

>wasn't so much a protest against a militarist government, but a military government.
Good point

>>2538734
No, it would not be unreasonable. But it *would* be very unreasonable to blame those few organizers more than the German government. The government was 100 times more responsible for what happened than the communists were. It was the government that failed to prevent the war, then failed to win it.

>>2538715
>USPD (which was involved in the events of 1918)
The Januarstreik, not the Novemberrevolution.

>>2538806
also I've yet to see evidence that they were involved in "mutinies" as was said, or really anything at all specific that I didn't spongers you myself

>>2538613
>continues to ascribe the composition fallacy to my statement even though it doesn't meet the structural requirements.

It's hilarious that analogies make you so butthurt. Here's another one just to piss you off.

Your claim that I have committed a fallacy of composition is the same as claiming that it is a logical fallacy to attribute the Holocaust to the Nazi regime since it was carried out by individual members of that group and not the non corporeal Nazi regime itself, as if such a thing is possible and nations cannot be associated with events because they are not physical actors.

You are misusing the fallacy in question to "prove" a rhetorical point.

>>2538831
>>continues to ascribe the composition fallacy to my statement even though it doesn't meet the structural requirements.
You claim that something is true for the subparts of a whole because it's true for the whole. It's exactly the composition fallacy. You are just too retarded to understand it, apparently.

>It's hilarious that analogies make you so butthurt. Here's another one just to piss you off.
What makes me butthurt is your amazing level of stupidity.

>>2538862
division*

>>2538814
spongefeed*

>>2538831
The Nazi regime is a government, not a nation, you retard.

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>stab-in-the-back
Nah, the German military knew that it was bound to be defeated, but awaited for the situation to worsen even more for the people to then rise up, so that might blame the defeat on politicians rather than the army.

>>2530632
>Basically there was a single non-jew in Germany at the time, and you can guess his name.
And he wasn't even German

>>2533804
>Verdict: Sadly, not a Jew.
This is really telling about their attitude

>>2538583
You /pol/tards are biggest dindu nuffin posters on /his/ or entire 4chan