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Why were French kids so into Maoism during the 60s?

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Why were French kids so into Maoism during the 60s?
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Because Marxism in general was in and Marxist-Leninism-Maoism is one of the cooler marxist leninism branches.
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50's and 60's brought anti-colonialism into minds of young Western students, and Maoism was basically a blueprint for third world nations to overthrow their colonial masters
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Usually kids have a rebelious phase, you know.

Still haven't outgrown my own.
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>>2513065
Marxist infiltration of academia. Not even memeing.
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>>2513107
nice blog faggot
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>>2513065
Those are kids?
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>>2513121
or rather academia decided Marxism was the true path
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Because it was the only "revolutionary" marxism left to them at the time.
Look at it this way, your choices were be last marxists in some socdem party doing boring politics, join the local soviet aligned party and do boring politics, or set up a maoist cell and try to make bombs.
You're a teen in welfare era europe. You're hot off more violent periods of european history, but now everything's boring. You want to bomb something, because cmon teens are stupid y'all remember being a teen. Maoism was the available ideology for kids who wanted to fuck shit up.
Same with the western appeal of extremist Islam, desu. Teens don't know theology, they don't know why they ought to fuck shit up, they want to fuck shit up and here's a doctrine that says they can fuck shit up.
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>>2513123
Thanks.
But it was rather a poor blog. Why would this brand of communism be popular but other radical ideologies not?
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Also for some reason all Maoists turned into ultra-liberal free market globalists in middle age. Every time.
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>>2513084
How come all the hard lefties these days are plain old Marxist Leninists then?

You only hear about Maoism in the third world these days
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>>2513087
I think this is the answer. France also had a long anticolonial history due to the wars in Algeria and Indochina in the 50s.

Did Maoist movements also exist in Portugal and the UK?
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>>2513121
But why Maoism and not normal Marxism?
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>>2513155
If the left gets edgier can we harness this again?
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>>2513257
Starting in 1960 Mao wanted to distance himself from the USSR and vice versa. This was only a few years after Kruschev's "secret speech" which made Stalin's purges both a) public knowledge and b) against communist party policy. For communists in the West who had supported Stalin at the time, Kruschev's speech was a stick in their spokes. Many of them thought it was just capitalist propaganda. But by '68 it was pretty well decided Stalin was a right prick and if you wanted to be a communist you needed a new father-figure (as all communist movements need). Mao is just replacement-Stalin. The cycle happened all over again after the Cultural Revolution when western communists started jerking off Chavez
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>>2513282
>jerking off to Chavez

And today Venezuela has unironic forced labor farms. Pretty hysterical watching commies once again suffer through shortages, hyper inflation and starvation.

Try telling the American college commies to go help their comrades in Venezuela lol
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>He actually believes the CCP ever really believed in third-worldism and internationalism

KEK

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_anti-African_protests
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>>2513246
A bit part of it is urbanization. Maoism was a peasant or countryside philosophy.

Im not sure if what you say about them being Marxist leninists is exactly true either but I don't know what the current trends are.
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>>2513087
>westerners agitated to make their countries less powerful

why are white people so stupid?
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>>2513313
Pathological altruism and a belief that their racial universalism is reciprocated by hyper-ethnocentric groups like arabs and chinese.

Chinese never believed in universalism, one of the reasons for the mistrust that led to the sino-soviet split was the idea that whites were always imperialists and thus Stalin & co couldn't be trusted.

Praise Buddha, Confucius, Fried Rice, Arthur Chu and Fu Man Chu.
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>>2513328
>Praise Buddha, Confucius, Fried Rice, Arthur Chu and Fu Man Chu.

Do you realize how much these stereotypes hurt, as an Asian American male?
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>>2513337
>hurt
fuck off to your campus safe space
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>>2513121
If the Marxists infiltrated academia in the 60s then why was that the decade the left decided to ditch class and material analysis for postcolonial identity politics?
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>>2513337
me so solly
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>>2513359
SU de-jewified itself in late 40s/early 50s and coincidentally classical MLism and the SU lost a lot of its Jewish-American support in the process.
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>>2513313
Morals and ethics.
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>>2513257
>Normal Marxism
No such thing. Anyway Maosm and Trotskyism took root in the West specifically because they were anti Stalinist and anti colonialist.
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>>2513264
Careful what you wish for, bruv. Maoism generally involves a bit of crazy. Ideology for kids wanting to fuck shit up usually does.
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>>2513376
See:
>>2513328

Now, regarding Trotskyism. The idea of Trotsky as a foil to Stalin's authoritarianism is just a cheap rhetorical trick. Trotsky would have been far, far worse as premier of the SU than Stalin. Stalin was at least a pragmatist in some ways, Trotsky wanted constant and unceasing world revolution.
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>>2513376
>no such thing
what about pre-bolshevik orthodox marxism
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>>2513254
You remember reading the story about the UK guy who kept women locked up in his house? They started as a maoist cell in the 60s.
The guy was really off the deep end, the idea for his grouplet was that china was gonna invade the UK any day now and therefore it was his duty as a maoist to pave the way for them.
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>>2513383
Born to die
Class is a fuck
Kill em all 1917
I am diamat
73736389263 dead kulaks
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>>2513403
He was a shit skin wasn't he?
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Just a meme, the fact Mao was one of the biggest oppressors of their time wasn't important, they just wanted notoriety, kind of like clickbaity bullshit today.

The Vietnam war and France's ex-colonies in IndoChina might have played a role. Stalin was history, Mao was contemporary.
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>>2513388
I'm not denying Trotsky's authoritarianism. His universalizing ideals of constant world revolution are appealing to young idealogues.
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>>2513419
It's not as if brown people are the only ones who can go crazy. Posada ended up with white european followers, and even if they didn't get behind the aliens thing they did get behind nuclear war being the bringer of communism.
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>>2513388
That just means hardcore internationalism. Had the Soviet Union focused more on inculcating revolution abroad, the socialist bloc would have been far stronger versus capital.
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>>2513407
That's all well and fine, but say your cell decides being diamat is a revisionist line of reasoning and decides to self criticize you into oblivion. The Japanese Red Army ended up committing suicide by self-criticism.
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>>2513383
The left is so weak I'd take shitty edgy radicalism over no radicalism.

It's necessary to have some people who speak loud enough, to account for the billions who have no voice.
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>>2513065

Maoism was the contemporaneous vanguard at the time.

Also it empowerd the young over the old (a horrible idea of course), which held appeal to french youth, Black Panthers (USA), etc. Maoism basically had the good fortune to pop at about the same time that "youth culture" in general (yes, even the capitalist forms such as American pop music) was beginning to pop in the mass media.
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>>2513480
idk about you but I prefer living
like when I gotta grab a pint with political buddies I know I can speak my stance without getting offed. The only time I ever had a problem was when I spoke badly of maoism and the local hoxhaist party leader stared daggers at me.
She still remembers me. She still stares those daggers. I still check off her name on the ballot, though. As a joke.
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>>2513505
I wish I had political buddies I could grab a pint with. Most everyone I know is apolitical or reactionary
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>>2513505
>>2513534
Are you literally antifa faggots
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>>2513463
He was a filthy shit skin obsessed with white women.

How was he even allowed to stay in the UK? Shit skin visa for shit skin leftists? I shit on India.

>>2513471
No it wouldn't have. You couldn't have maintained a united front because the alliance would have been too diverse. Plus you're talking about formenting conflict in so many different parts of the world it may have invited another type of world war, this time with everyone against the Soviet Union.

Back to /lit/ anyway.
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>>2513565
>I shit on India.

So do Indians.
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>>2513534
Chances are you've got some franchise out wherever you are looking to have a pint.
Since you're probably in a city of secondary importance, hit up the IWW. It's shit to do in a big city where lots of choices means that the only ones who join the IWW are straight up LARPers, but in mid sized cities out in the midwest and such they're usually the only ones out there, which means you meet a decent cross section of left wing political ideas, who are surprisingly fine with sharing a union.
I mean, you'll find at most 20 people, but hey that's 20 people you can drink and shoot political bants with. The only thing it'll cost you is like 5-10 bucks in monthly union dues and sometimes having to sit through boring meetings.
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>>2513551
I am a faggot, but I'm not antifa I'm an ML (although I support their actions).
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>>2513505
>the local hoxhaist party leader
>hoxhaist

You are memeing
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>>2513551
I went to one of those demo's, so I guess the answer is yes. Is there anything more you want to know?
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>>2513298
I'd roll my tanks through her Tianamen Square if you get my drift.
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>>2513577
>>2513582
Than you are a massive faggots and should kill yourself immediately.
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>>2513580
That's just bunkers
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>>2513594
So you dont actually have enough people behind you to organise anything resembling chapters organised after forgotten banana ideologys with whom you could argue while having a pint.
Hell, id rather become a salafi then turning to you saddos.
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>>2513587
That's Pandorya, qt German youtuber.
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>>2513580
I wish I was.
Now, granted, they might not be hoxhaist anymore, but they were less than a decade ago, and I don't care to ask whether they are now.
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>>2513576
Unfortunately I currently attend college in a Mid-Atlantic suburban shithole, but I will certainly take your advice after I graduate and move to a city
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>>2513590
Well, sorry you think that, I guess.
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>>2513621
In any given college there's at least one prof who lists marx among their research interests.
Take their class, suck up, and see who else sucks up. You've now got the makings of a capital reading group.
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>>2513534
Likewise yeah. All my friends are liberals

>>2513645
This is good advice.
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>>2513621
>>2513645
And another idiot generation of autistic marxists is born

<sigh> it's all so tiresome
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>>2513616
Again, it depends on locality and what sort of politics one is willing to surround themselves with.
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>>2513620
>A decade ago
Old boomers destined to die before any of their revolutions may come to pass?
I sometimes see grey haired commiszombies trying to get attention at their weekly mondaydemonstration in the inner city.
Slowly their numbers are getting thinner.
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>>2513590
That pic is retarded. Socialism isn't about treating the working class as a group of infallible angels, but about devolving control of the economy from private hands to public ownership.

More importantly, Trump supporters aren't "the proletariat". Trump is a capitalist supported by much of the bourgeoisie. Some Trump voters are workers, but that's just because the alternative was a neoliberal ghoul who didn't even pretend to care about the working class.
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>>2513661
Mh sure. I might find an "ironguardist-anarcho strasserite" if I search long enough.
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>>2513666
Yeah, that about sums them up. But still, she creeps me the fuck out, old people got a lot of time to work on their death stares and it really shows.
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>>2513679
Ideological zombies are always creepy.
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>>2513655
>Marxism scares me but I can't formulate the words why
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I don't get along with anyone because I'm a market socialist and I think degeneracy should be tolerated but not celebrated.
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>>2513674
Esoteric Techno-Fascism is apparently a community instead of a stupid FB meme page.
I guess I suggest you start there and network
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>>2513686
bruh that's called being a normie
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>>2513686
That's how 70% of the left thinks friendo, we're just less vocal
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>>2513685
Fuck it, you and that cancerous tumor deserve one another.

Onward to the next revolution immediately followed by the inevitable shortages, nepotism, embezzlement and ensuing social cataclysm and starvation.

It's happened every time before. Go for it.

Fly you stupid little bird.
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>>2513688
Esoteric Techno fascism sounds way more plausible then that pelicular strain of isolationist dictatorship from the balkans getting discussed lively.
Hell, dont your digits proove me right?
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>>2513686
is market socialism just social democracy or is it mutualism or something else
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>>2513690
>>2513693
But normies think markets and socialism are incompatible because markets mean capitalism and socialism means command economy.
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>>2513686
>market socialist
most activist grouplets will take you in, insofar as they're more concerned with having heads for demos and phone zaps than your particular politics.
Anything more than that in relation to your particular views on "degeneracy", well, there's some good friends of mine in the community, and it's only after knowing them a while that I got to knowing how serious they take their eastern orthodoxy. Y'know, you know what one should bring up in polite conversation and what one shouldn't.
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>>2513726
Why aren't you in Venezuela right now helping your comrades in a forced labor farm?
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>>2513706
>he thinks Bernard Sanders, noted social democrat, is a Marxist
>he thinks starvation and corruption do not occur on a massive scale under capitalism

nice memes you got there classcuck
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>>2513713
It's socialism with market mechanisms and freedom for regulating the economy, setting prices, and balancing supply and demand.

Social democracy is just a capitalist welfare state. It's closer to mutualism than social democracy.
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>>2513740
Fly. Fly you stupid bird.

This time it will really work won't it?
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>>2513751
yes
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>>2513735
Venezuela needs comrades now! Don't juat read about socialism see it first hand and up close.

On a forced labor farm.
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>>2513712
I mean, you're not wrong. I still can't wrap my head around their existence. most of the folks I've met are the same, they don't want nothing to do with them and know just as little as I.
Again, I don't associate with them, idk how they go about drinking, after the may day demo we just happened to be near each others tables in a bar.
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>>2513762
And tell me oh wise one, what will make this time different from all the others?

Will we finally, dare I say it, really try it THIS time?
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>>2513735
Because there's no oil money to pay me with.
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>>2513777
Pay? Pay?!?!

That's capitalism black magic anon. You will be provided with room and board in a true socialist style working dormitory.

Essentials like razors and buttons will be doled out when available. Expect shortages.
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>>2513772
The difference is that this time all the white bois are gonna have their sugar walls turned out
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>>2513795
Chairman Mao wants YOU to go to work in Venezuela!
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once again another alright thread gets ruined when the unfunny whiners from /pol/ show up
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>>2513810
once again the commies get their fantasy bubble popped easily and cry about it

Maybe you can find redemption in Venezuela desu
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>>2513792
Even folks in venezuala are paid wages, bruv.
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>>2513823
im not the guy youve been jerking off with faggot. are you really just gonna post the same thing over and over again?
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>>2513832
>he thinks the forced farm workers get paid

Nigga Venezuela collapsed, like every previous socialist state before it.

They are being forced to work and paid by not starving that day.
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>>2513839
Why not? Commies have been on repeat for decades now

They haven't had anything new to say since the 60's
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>>2513865
i dont care about your opinions m8, you could at least TRY to be funny
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>>2513855
It has not collapsed yet, though it probably will. part of the reason it will collapse is, as you may have guessed it, the inability to provide wages for labour worked. Or, as we're increasingly seeing with its monetary crisis, the inability of wages present to reflect the cost of goods.
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>>2513471
>Trotskyism would've made the Socialist bloc stronger
Are you retarded? It would be a fun little experiment until the Union would go up against the Germans and be btfo'd because it wouldn't even have had a tenth of the production capacities of the Stalinist SU. Mind you, I don't like stalinism one bit myself, but I recognize that without Stalin, I'd be speaking German today.
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>>2513706
are you really suggesting that food shortages, nepotism, embezzlement, and starvation do not exist under capitalism?
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>>2513772
We won't be retarded and try to do a "mix of socialism and capitalism".
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>>2513772
If it first you don't succeed
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>>2513772
It would involve actually industrialized countries embracing socialism.

But regardless, the Soviet Union was pretty based. If they had managed to flip more countries to socialism they'd have enough resources to win the Cold War.

Instead of bleeding under neoliberalism we'd all be enjoying socialism right now.
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>>2513899
And the citizens who don't want to give up their private property and join yet another tired old lame communist revolution?

What will become of them?
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>>2513933
You will be transmogrified into axle grease for our tanks
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>>2513925
>if only the Bolsheviks had subjugated more countries to their nightmare things might not have ended up in complete and devastating State collapse from which the populations are still recoving

I see, you're crazy. You wish the USSR had taken down more innocents
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>>2513933
seize their toothbrushes
what else
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>>2513942
Ah and so our point is proven.

Socialism is a political mugging. You can lose everything you own overnight willingly. But if not we will shoot you anyhow.
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>>2513960
Actually sir the mere existence of private property is theft from the commons made possible only by the violence of the bourgeois state, and to expropriate it is no crime. Lube up, porky!
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>>2513960
what sort of revolutionary idea does not involve a bit of mugging
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>>2513367
kek
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>>2513998
>>2514013
Just as we always knew.

Communists are in reality just covetous thieves.


Thank you both for being you
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>>2513933
If you own private property it's going to be seized and made public.

Remember that private property doesn't mean a car or a computer, but works of industry like a mine or a factory. Private property the monopolization of a public good by an individual or small group of individuals.
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>>2514047
And your toothbrush is what we most wish to expropriate
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>>2513065
Because Maoism works.

http://www.revcom.us/a/1248/mao_china_setting_record_straight.htm
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>>2514047
But property is theft, anon.
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>>2513298
not even communism can take out the jungle out of the nigger
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>>2514111
what massive revisionism, jesus christ. easy to look good when the baseline you are going from is decades of civil war.
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>>2513574
kek
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>>2513628
fuck off to leftypol faggot
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>>2513810
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>>2513065

Because it was the edgy cool "anti revisionist" (((marxist))) movement for a brief period in the late 60s and early 70s so all the commiecuck spergs moved there. Eventually they either became Eurocommunists or started praising Yugoslavia.

Commiecucks are autistic and always try to find the next cool thing to support after they get disappointed by the previous one. Look at the autistic teenagers at lefty/pol/ or that fat cringy canadian marxist youtuber
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>>2514115
No, it's not
It's exclusion
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>He unironically buys into 19th century ideologies
we post industrial society nao, this "class struggle" concept of yours has been obsolete for a long time
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>>2515606

The "class struggle" is a spook
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>>2515612
>idk what spooks are
If anything class struggle is least spooky fight you can get into
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>>2513065

There was a genuine rise of Marxist academia in French Unis, Situationism was one of them. I guess it made sense that people would look to Mao as influence.
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When will laftypol ever realize they'll never get a foothold on here
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>>2513590
Are your feelings hurt, little snowflake bitch?
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>>2515935
>using Russian examples

Russia has always been shit, come on. It only got less horrible after the Soviet industrialization.

The problems with the Soviet Union were numerous, but not inherent to socialism. Autocratic states tend to pursue dangerous policy regardless of political orientation. Stalin's purges were a direct result of the concentration of power in so few hands. Something like the Ukrainian feminine could not have happened in a democratic framework.
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>>2515648
>There was a genuine rise
Why was there a genuine rise?
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>>2513313
yes (((westerners))) agitated to make "their" countries less powerful
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>>2513693
>we're just less vocal
Then you'll get strung along by more radical lefties. It's what always happens to moderates, you're all incredibly fluid and prone to influence by radicals.
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>>2516942
>the millions of students advocating for the rights of Algerians and Vietnamese were all Jewish
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>>2515564
What young person does not follow trends
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>>2516849
Two reasons
1. As the most organized of the various organizations that made up the FFI, the communists and the communist party ended up a big political influence in post-war france.
2. The PCF actively courted intellectuals to joining its ranks, although one had to put up with a certain amount of ideological orthodoxy it was otherwise great for networking, you'd get to have these retreats where the party paid you and some other professors to have a vacation and shoot the shit with each other.
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>>2513065

Just the same as there are fat beta Mexicans that are Nazis, or as we call them Morenazis (brownazis).
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>tfw conservative
>tfw no one to talk to about politics
;_;
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>>2519466
Go to university and hook up with your young conservative equivalent.
Go on one of those cruises or whatever for brietbart and rebel media sorts.
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>>2519483
Young conservatives at my university are edgelords not willing to have a proper discussion with any leftists.
And fuck the latter option.
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>>2519490
The business clubs tend towards conservatism, and they're less blunt in their politics than explicit arms of actual political parties.
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>>2519529
Alright, i'll try those out possibly.
It's honestly irritating, most of my friends are reactionary or radicals on both sides of the political spectrum. There can never be understanding between the both with their overly hostile "us against them" attitude.
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>>2513740
>8ch filename
Epic raid, comrade!
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>>2513166
Source/examples?
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>>2519938
Just take a look at the Chinese.
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>>2513264
Who is "we"?
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>>2514115
It is freedom as well :^)
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>>2513065
Any youth throughout human history has done the opposite of what the adult world does. It's a way of rebelling and separating yourself from your parents. In a few years, the kids who grew up during the PC and SJW era will be all about family values and nationalism. It's just what kids do. This pattern repeats over and over again.
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>>2520561
>In a few years, the kids who grew up during the PC and SJW era will be all about family values and nationalism

This has already happened
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>>2520627
Thank god i have some sense with all the Larping that goes on around me...
Anarchists turning Right-wingers turning Commies turning Libertarians turning fascists turning...

I might think about devoting myself to the balance...
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>>2520636
Same Anon.
I mean i get that ideology is Feels and feels must be expressed etc, but it's 2017 ffs, we are not before WW2. If someone wants to do something, he should just fucking express it and be more specific about it, instead of letting it ferster...
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>>2516813
>Russia has always been shit
Lies. Russia outproduced the U.S. in barrels of petroleum per day by 1900. They were at least as industrialized as America by then, and serfs had long been liberated. Had they not had the poor luck to lost 3 million troops in WW1, and the confidence of the military, the Romanovs would still be on the throne. Commie shits got luck in 1917, but there are no millions of soldier deaths to spook the western military caste with today. It's helicopter time, fagget. Prepare your anus.
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>>2520627
Not at all. The alt right is greatly outnumbered by far left people of the same age.
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>>2513376
Maoism wasn't anti Stalinist. Mao expressly condemned the rejection of Stalinism by the CIty Congress of the Soviet communist party.
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>>2520742
>America and Russia were equally industrialized in 1900
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>>2513166
>>2519938
I dont, know but in Spain all the former members of the maoist party "Bandera Roja" joined the conservative or the socialist party and many of the are aligned with the catholic right.
As far I know Durao Barroso was also maoist in his youth
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>>2521438
He was more anti Soviet.
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>>2513306
One of my friends is involved in SYNA and they are formulating a new ML tendency that is modified to the American condition. Like MLM was a distinctly Chinese tendency
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>>2522941
More so Anti-Revisionist, which Hoxha and Mao considered the USSR to be at the time
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>>2523306
But remember that Mao also abjured the Soviet Union for being imperialistic. While he may have conceived this as an expression of revisionism, it's a concern more connected to foreign relations than state ideology.
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>>2523288
What the hell is SYNA? How is this tendency unique?
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>>2513065
Student movement, the New Left, the influence of the Black Power/Black Panthers, decolonisation.

Maoism seemed to offer a more mass movement, decentralised, back to the land style communism than the heavily urban, industrial and rigid Marxist-Leninist model of the USSR and the Warsaw Pact
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>>2523576
In practice, Maoism certainly was more decentralized than Stalinism. As essentially a populist twist on Marxism-Leninism, the will and the action of the masses was far more important than in the Soviet Union. The Mass Line ostensibly ensured that policy was chosen at the behest of the people at large, something pretty alien to the byzantine bureaucratic system of the Russians.

Maoism relies not on a strong central government, as existed in Russia, but on a massive cadre of communists eager to push for socialism. Mass politics exist in China today (the CCP still derives its legitimacy from the will of the masses), but certainly reached its height under Mao. The Cultural Revolution and Great Leap Forward were entirely contingent on the will of millions of Chinese people to follow the Chairman's guidance. Mobs rounded up members of the emergent bourgeois and students lynched their revisionist professors. Many entirely innocent people were caught up in this violence. Because China is such an unbelievably big country, the encouragement of such violence will lead to millions of deaths.

Bottom-up pressures played a big role in Stalin's purges too (check out Goldman, Terror and Democracy), when workers petitioned the government to have corrupt or brutal managers punished. However, the vast majority of executions were decided after internal investigations. Following Stalin's lead, the NKVD was very skeptical of the will of the masses and rarely killed somebody because of a petition. Usually, the unpopular boss would be forced to endure a miserable few years in the Gulag system or the petition would be ignored by the NKVD altogether.

However, this was a lot more bureaucratic. In the Stalinist purge, executions would be processed through the NKVD and the condemned would be quietly shot by a secret policeman, rather than being loudly and publicly lynched by a mob of communists totally outside any formal legal framework.
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>>2513153
And people wonder why anti-"""intellectualism""" exists. If intellectualism means jerking off a failed ideology.
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>>2513795
>pretending to be a negroid on the inernet
Lol
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>>2513810
>communists get btfo yet again
>f-fucking altright!
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>>2513166
That's actually the Trotskyists. Trotskyism is pretty much commie globalism anyway, so it's easier to jump from it to capitalist globalism.
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>>2513065
>French kinds

Bretons-Spanish-Italian kids*
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>>2519938
The only one I know that did that is Miguel Barroso

No surprise though, Leninism and all its deviations are social democracy at the barrel of a gun
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>>2523877
why are Bretons so left wing?
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>>2523550
SYNA is a Marxist Leninist organization that is kinda similar to the student organizations of the 70's

Still relatively new. Though they have published a book targeting the Berniecrats to pull them towards an ML line.

I haven't heard much of their specific tendency yet, beyond my friend saying how they've been working on it.
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>>2524210
>that pic
So the far-left is divided between bloodthirsty, edgy, revolutionary wannabees who want to unironically kill millions to produce a failed state and infantile utopians who never do anything other than argue theory?
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>>2524212
Because they're a repressed minority.
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>>2524210
What's the pancakes meme?
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>>2525941
Yes
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>>2526357
Antonie Pannekoek, one of the main theorists of the anti-Leninist communists

Pannekoek means pancake in Dutch
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>>2513065
Required watching:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3qkf3bajd4
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>>2513337
GO BACK
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>>2513065
Is that the movie where they make a fortress out of little red books
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>>2529028

yeah. la chinoise by godard. it's a criticism of maoism and student politics
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>>2526418
I hear Pannekoek'd name constantly and assume he's related to council communism but I don't know what that is. Hell, I barely know Bordiga.

What are some good resources to learn about this? If it matters, I love Marxian analysis but I'm not convinced that the eradication of capital (rather than a simple transition to a socialist democratic economy) is necessary for emancipation.
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>>2523671
/his/ long posts are cool
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>>2519938
It's a stereotype/cliche in France. Every politician loves to tell his stories about the barricades and how youth felt.
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