What happened to left-libertarianism?

How could such a thing even exist? Libertarianism itself is a result of classical liberalism being entirely consumed by the left wing.

>>2511941
It's called anarchism and communalism now

>>2511951
But (at least in the U.S.) the mainstream "left wing" has shifted away from labor/social democracy and become much more liberal in the last 20-30 years.

>>2511951
Nope, the word libertarian was invented by an anarchist after anarchism became illegal in France. For decades, libertarianism referred exclusively to different socialist ideologies.

Right wing libertarianism didn't arrive on the scene until the mid 20th century.

>>2511951
Educate yourself.

>>2511941
It died along with communism for the same reasons as communism.

>>2511951
Left-libertarian ideologies seek to abolish hierarchy.

Right-libertarian ideologies seek to abolish only one hierarchy, that of the state over citizens. Right-libertarians do not take issue with private actors adopting the oppressive capabilities of the state.

>>2511986
>communism is dead

Tell that to India, Nepal, or the Philippines. Or Cuba!

>>2512020
Citing a few minor outliers does not refute the fact that all the major communist countries of the world have totally or at least in practice, abandoned communism. It has also lost favor among populace and even with left-wing intellectuals.

>era of alt right is rising, we are part of what historians in the future will call the greatest era of all time, only rivaled by the romans.

feelsfuckinggoodfamalams

>>2512064
>being this delusional

>>2512064
The alt-right will never go anywhere because you fat fucks can't be assed to doa anything

>>2511995
They certainly would if those private actors sought to monopolize violence or anything else for themselves

>>2511941
It along with anarchism and communism as been suppressed and obfuscated by exterme propaganda from the corporate media since the first red scare and now it is only understood in academia.
When an indocornated person is confronted with libertarian ideals they usually react with "muh Marxism" call it communism or something like that.
Then you have burgers like this >>2511951 who think that libertarianism means authoritarian-individualist-capitalism.
It's why average joe American thinks anarchism means chaos and thinks anarchist ideas are communist.
Propaganda isn't about what it says, it's what it prevents from being said.

>>2512020
None of those are true communist systems. India is barely a country. Nepal is far smaller and receives aid. Philippines has been fucked so communism whatever it does hasn't helped them. Cuba isn't even communist.
Communism has never been tried.
>>2512095
>Drumpf won't be president!
>says increasingly nervous man for the 7th time

>>2512109
How the hell would you stop violence from being monopolized by the most successful corporation?

>>2512115
Populism is a sign of decline.

>>2512225
elitism so far up it's ass it can't see trends which are obvious (Trump and Brexit) and can't create any more innovation is a sign of decline.

>>2512231
>right wingers complaining about elitism

One of the central points of the right wing is the establishment and maintenance of hierarchy.

>>2512020
>philippines
>india
It's basically dead there

>>2512231
Of course there are serious problems with our institutions and "the elites".

Right-wing, anti-globalist populism is hardly an answer. It's a typical, emotional overreaction that will continue the fuel the endless cycle of political resentment and chaos.

Nothing in particular. It's always been something of a fringe. It tends to crop up during revolutions, but never manages to hold out against more organized alternatives. Chomsky still remains a prominent social critic.

>>2512113
>It's why average joe American thinks anarchism means chaos and thinks anarchist ideas are communist.

More like the Spanish civil war asserted that Communists and Anarchists often collaborate with one another

>>2512248
It's more complicated than that. The right wing views hierarchy as inevitable and natural. A right winger does not need to be "pro-elite" if the elites principals clash with his own.

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>>2512254
Shit's really heating up in the Philippines actually

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>>2512124
Violence is not rewarded by profit.

Rational actors in markets beyond state control act in perfectly moral restrained ways.

>>2512264
>emotional overreaction
The entire modern left based on "muh emotions" involving economic migrants, alien privileges and the like. Populist, anti-globalist right is based on group interest and pragmatism.

>>2512288
It's media ritual there. The communists are always a hot button issue leading up and the immediate year after an election, but then fades away.
Duterte could reach a peace deal with them, or he could not, it quite frankly doesn't matter. Either way, we're gonna forget it again.

>>2512300
No, it's founded on anger at elites, migrants, global trade, and so on.

To deny emotions anywhere in politics is absurd.

And an ideology that smacks of resentment and reads like an instruction manual for extreme political and social destabilization, can hardly be called pragmatic, and is likely not at all in the interest of any group.

>>2512270
If anything the Spanish civil war shows that industrialists and fascists/reactionary authoritarians often work with eachother(Franco+texaco, hitler+VW, Reagan+texaco, tea party+ALEC, trump+ALEC think tanks and front groups)
Average American joe doesn't know a thing about the Spanish civil war.
He doesn't know a thing about communism
He doesn't even know wtf anarchism is, the information has been heavily suppressed by the industrialists that own the world joe inhabits, which is his mind. They decide the boundaries of what can or cannot be talked about through their control of the media/markets and the influence they have over the state.
It's the same reason Americans don't understand climate change, shit like this
https://drexel.edu/~/media/Files/now/pdfs/Institutionalizing%20Delay%20-%20Climatic%20Change.ashx

>>2512378
>believing in "society, is like. a giant conspiracy man"

Also, the reason Americans don't believe in climate change has most to do with America's peculiar religious culture.

>>2512300
Lmao.
Pragmatism, what a load of shit.
It's half reactionary rage at the "left"(change). half is disinformed rage at a real problem, a problem the libertarian left has always been against. "Globalism"
And their pragmatic solution is isolationist free market economics, at the cost of the ecological systems they depend on for survival like wtf lol.
All most all are mad at immigrants stealing their jobs and raping their women, and the response doesn't deal with immigration, it doesn't deal with the fundemental flaws in their social institutions that caused it, their pragmatic solution is to go back to the place that got them where they are.
Fucking delusional lmao.

>>2512395
Americans peculiar religious culture being manipulated for financial gain*
Ftfy, did you read the report, it's a legit and proven conspiracy.
And society isn't like a giant conspiracy, the average person doesn't know what is going on, not only are they purposefully deprived of that knowlege they are purposefully told an alternate account of what is happening. It's not a conspiracy, that's just the way powerful institutions work.

>>2512426
American protestantism's suspicion of science has nothing to do with industrialists.

Are there industrialists out there trying to dissuade the populace of belief in climate change? Sure.

But you seem to operate in a marxist interpretation of society, or something like it, which is a rather extravagant and hardly accords with facts.

>>2512413
>And their pragmatic solution is isolationist free market economics
you are unfamiliar with the true right beyond an american context. The true right in Europe does not support free markets. corporatism, distributism and national socialism is closer to true right economic models.

>>2512300
>>2512348
You fail to admit that losing due to economic aliens IS a real concern, while the modern left is based solely emotional pleas to help underclass, homosexuals, non-Whites and feminist.

The modern left also war mongers. Look at Libya and Syria.

>>2512476
>You fail to admit that losing due to economic aliens IS a real concern

I think many economists would argue otherwise.

>the modern left is based solely emotional pleas to help underclass, homosexuals, non-Whites and feminist

Something like that

>The modern left also war mongers. Look at Libya and Syria.

The left you refer to there pretty much consists of Hillary Clinton and whatever other obscure, Washington establishment figures.

It's important to recognize that the Democrats fall into different camps, most concretely understood as the Bernie and Clinton camps.

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It's still out their. The reason it seems gone is because the SJW movment has taken over the word liberal and just the left all around. Same with the right. The alt right is becoming the new right. They're both authoritarian and if you disagree with both of them then they automatically label you as as a "Libtard" or a "Nazi" so there is no room form a middle groun. I think the pic sums up how I feel about the issue.

>>2512461
Yeah its all working class supporting authoritarian hierarchal systems that would exploit them.
It's all the same shit to me.

>>2512454
You'd be foolish to think that credulity and idenitarianism aren't the reasons of American Protestants contrarianism.
The mechanism that causes protestant pigheadedness is the same mechanism being exploited.
And it's idenitarianism, you are the one claiming marxisque materialist veiw of history here, claiming that climate denial is a product of Protestant history. Which like Marx is reductive and unfounded in empirical evidence.
I'm claiming that it has to to with social conservatives as biological systems that process and react to information. And that they are being manipulated by the information presented to them. Which has a wealth of supporting evidence.
Maybe actually read the article I linked and its support, also read (cool dudes:climate change denial amoung conservative white males or something like that. It does a good job at showing the idenitarian mechanisms being exploited.

>>2512501

This. The problem is that Left Libertarians will always ally with Communists and Right Libertarians will always ally with Conservatives.

Libertarians need to put aside their differences and work together to achieve some common goals. Once there is a 'strongish' libertarian movement, then they can break apart and bicker amongst themselves.

>>2512605
Those are greatly beneficial to the working class. Not left libtardationism.

>>2511941
They got beheaded and raped my Moroccans, and it's gonna happen again if they decide to pipe up once more.

>>2512270
Well yeah, they're both socialist ideologies

>>2512395
I don't think so. It's more about the creation of an isolated media bubble offering alternative information to confirm the persecution complexes of conservatives.

>>2512777
But we, as left libertarians, want to abolish all hierarchy. We can work together in the destruction of the bourgeois state, but we recognize that capitalist hierarchy also needs to be overcome to have meaningful freedom for more than a few capitalists.

>>2513382
>want to abolish all hierarchy.
So you want to end humanity? You're more apocalyptic than Christianity and Islam combined.

Politics and ideology aside, Kropotkin was a cool MoFu...

>>2513389
What the hell is wrong with you if you think humans can't live without many of them being oppressed?

>>2512782
>benifical to the working class
Oh Boy! They get to work while someone else profits from the fruits of their labour. What a time to be a cuck.

>>2513382
Am I a left liberal if I'm okay with hierarchy, based on say, mutually beneficial meritocracy, I just want to remove arbitrary hierarchies supported by a complex web of social constructs rather than any inherent real justification.

>>2512777
Right libertarians are all about muh property though.

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>>2511951
>Right-Libertarian thinks they are the original anti-government
AHAHAHAHAHAHA. If anything yours is an abomination

>>2512270
Wow, it is almost as if they used to do shit together like the French Commune
>Crowned heads, wealth and privilege may well tremble should ever again the Black and Red unite!

>>2511941
>left-libertarianism
Died the death that a paradox should desu

>>2511941
>left-libertarianism
nigga whats that supposed to be? Liberatariayanism or whatever it's called is just an American approach to anarchism.

>>2513614
>anarchism but with property rights

>>2513530
>Ancoms think they're macho working class men

>>2512020
It's dead. The few communist countries that survived the Cold War are becoming more capitalist everyday. The largest communist country is literally a poster child for global capitalism.

>>2513649
>Who were the spainist CNT during the Civil Wat, anarcho-syndicalists in the French Commune?

>>2513643
Ideological drive is the same. Flavour changes with culture.

>>2513649
The Ancom in that picture is based on Beunaventura Durruti, who was indeed an actual, factual anarcho-syndicalist, and was actually completely working class.

>>2513518
You're just a standard hard leftist. Lots of socialists think like you.

>>2513689
Original anarchists were literally against property rights

>>2513563
Left libertarianism is the original libertarianism. Direct worker ownership in the absence of the state is no paradox.

>>2513687
>>2513698
Lmao typical marxist who still thinks it's the 20's. No marxist in 2017 looks like that, the racist/sexist/bigots they make fun of on twitter do.

>>2513382
This whole "left libertarians want to abolish all hierarchy" thing is just a product of sloppy thinking. The concept of emergent leadership is just an acceptance of "natural" hierarchies. Foucault was probably the most honest in this regard, since he believed that the abolition of power was a pipe-dream, but instead suggested that abusive and artificial forms of power could be brought low.

>>2513725
Yea man, the black boc totally don't look like fit males punching Spencer

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>>2513687
>>2513698
>i am a strong working class man watch out porky

>>2513707
And...? You can find a lot of Marxists disagreeing with critical parts of Marx's theory.

Important part of anarchism is abolishment of state. What should happen after is interpreted differently by different cultures.

>>2513746
Spencer was a bitchboi raised by his grandma who got punched by a shit eating cuckold with a wrench. Antifa can't even beat the police lmao nice "revolution"

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>>2513725
Now, can we please get back to talking about the merits of ideals rather than the bodytypes of their adherents?

>>2513493
>hierarchy=oppression
Kys. You must think the family unite is Hitler.

>>2513748
>these are the oppressed working class marxists who are supposed to overthrow the ebul rich people

LMAO

>>2513731
I'd probably have gay sex with Foucault if it didn't mean I would die of aids desu

>>2513749
Sure, but let's not pretend Anarchism was not originally a left wing movement or abolishment of statehood and private property is paradoxical.

>>2513754
So would all alt-right are like him, using>>2513748's logic

>>2513790
Well, he didn't always have AIDS. Like I highly doubt he was born infected with HIV.

>>2513768
*family unit

>>2513807
>Sure, but let's not pretend Anarchism was not originally a left wing movement or abolishment of statehood and private property is paradoxical.

Of course, that's why I said it is American interpretation. And the fact it is paradoxical can be demostrated by popularity of the Libertarian party.

>>2513807
No because most neo nazis are roid abusing gym monkey's. Most marxist's are pussy college kids lmao.

>>2513807
Your average working class white dude doesn't even know what an anarcho whatever-the-fuck is. If he's not rural and is part of a union he might know what socialism is but he's certainly not devoted to some global working class revolution against rich people.

>>>/pol/

>>2513866
>implying this isn't humanities

>>2513858
The White working class has always been socially conservative.

>>2513725
>the racist/sexist/bigots they make fun of on twitter do.
lmao

Fascists are delusional

>>2513746
That dude who punched him looked like a homeless faggot.

>>2513906
Rednecks look like that

Police officers look like that

Soldiers look like that

Antifa hates all those people yet still can't beat them LMAO true delusion

>>2513949
I don't think any single member of Antifa believes they have the strength to topple the state structure right now lmao

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>>2513831
>reactionaries are brainlets
We know, but let's not pretend that that the alt right goes outside or does any form of physical activity

>>2514146
>Antifa
Getting this George Schwartz bucks?

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>>2513768
More like hierarchy=fake and gay
We need to organize ourselves the way living synergetics do
Only hetrarchy inside of panarchy exist.
Trust me I'm a system & network scientist and like my mentor, the prominent anarchist intellectual Shrek, The Ogre told me.
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