How many of you genuinely believe you would be happier in an

The 1960 and 70s because i enjoy having multiple sexual partners and ingesting a lot of drugs

>>2508426
>70s
That's literally the worst decade in US history outside of the 30s by every objective metric.

>i enjoy having multiple sexual partners and ingesting a lot of drugs
You can have that today too.

>>2508446
Yeah, but I'd have a better sound track bacl then.

>>2508455
Disco was shit.

I can't say because it is impossible to be myself and have an alternative history. I come from time and place

I think I'd be quite happy as a viking or a knight desu. I enjoy fighting and doing manly stuff and it was easy to find purpose, which is the more difficult part in my life. Your only purpose was pretty much handed to you.
No tipping involved though, I love my life right now as well and wouldn't change.

I genuinely believe I'd be happier toiling the earth and watching the sheep as a simple peasant with no concept of the world 10km beyond my village. I'm working on seeing if I can try this out for a couple years after I pay off all of my debts because I've come to the realization that I consume very little by way of consumer products and all I need is an internet connection and some books to keep me happy. The capitalist rat race seemingly has nothing to offer me.

>>2508457
Had psychedelic rock in mind, but ok. Not much worse than EDM, desu.

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>>2508412
I wanna be a fucking golden age Caribbean pirate.

Fighting on the high seas, getting drunk, fucking exotic, disease ridden whores, and dying gloriously in combat before I'm 30 sounds amazing desu.

Pic marginally related.

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The future, being honest.

>>2508474

This desu. And the thing it was even better back then since you didn't question anything. You were taught your whole life that "that's how it is". I think back to my great grandfathers who were farmers.

>marry a submissive 18 year old virgin
>cum in her every night
>5 kids
>simple yet happy life as a farmer
>close knit church/social community
>no degeneracy
>no niggers
>nothing to make you doubt your life

Etc

>>2508474
>I genuinely believe I'd be happier toiling the earth and watching the sheep as a simple peasant with no concept of the world 10km beyond my village.
>all I need is an internet connection and some books to keep me happy.
>The capitalist rat race seemingly has nothing to offer me.
you people can't be taken seriously

>>2508501
You're barely even humam at that point.

>>2508507
Because working somewhere in a cubicle and stuffing your face with HFCS laced fastfood while passing time with masturbation and browsing Facebook is the pinnacle of humanity.

>>2508514
No, but you have access to everything to educate yourself and attain virtue, which is.

>>2508516
Education directly prevents virtue, the same as wealth.

>>2508514
Is that what you, and your cohorts do? You sound sad. I hope you turn it around.

>>2508525
What do you do?

>>2508529
Eat nutritious food I've grown myself, discuss history with my friends, play sports with my other friends, talk with you on 4chan

>>2508522
how so?

>>2508500
Is it a good book? looks pretty darn cool.

>>2508549
Look at the garbage people universities produce, carnal hedonism oriented and devoid of any virtue.

>>2508546
>Eat nutritious food I've grown myself
I'm envious then as I grew up in the countryside and now living in a (((city))). I miss having my own orchard and slaughtering my own pigs.

>>2508522

(((Education)))

>atheism
>nihilism
>moral relativism
>left wing politics

>>2508563
a few shit unis in the US don't constitute the entirety of education

>>2508571
And most importantly, materialism. That's the root of all that shit.

>>2508573
Unfortunately it's not just the US anymore, but whole Europe as well.

>>2508579
bollocks. I've been at a European university for 5 years and I have never encountered anything of the sort. And one of my degrees belonged to the social sciences department

>>2508587
Universities in Eastern Europe where I'm from are full of those things. Feminism, gender studies, Anglo-centric whig history, they even import lecturers from America to teach this shit.

I think you're over romanticizing it, it's the same kind of mentality that people have with the 90's even though it wasn't that much better or worse than any other decade. If you were born as a farm herder 2000 years ago, life would be a lot more boring and unsafe. There would be internet, no TV, no movies, no radio, no rock, electronic, jazz, rap, metal, orchestra, or opera music. Your life would consist of being completely subject to the elements and whether the season would bring a good harvest or not. Life would be a lot more monotonous with doing the same things every day just to survive, and it was a lot easier back then to die from something stupid like a cut that gets infected (since anti-biotics didn't exist back then), and there was all kinds of war back then too. The problems that exist in current western civilization like materialism still existed.

If you want a rural life you can still do it but now with the added benefit of science, recreational media, and a developed first world.

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>>2508412
>easier it was to get one.
It's much easier to get a family now.

Keeping one, on the other hand...

>>2508602
>no rock, electronic, jazz, rap, metal
You're listing that as a negative?

>>2508597
I'm from EE too mate. And it's not like any narrative being told you obliges you to accept it. If you don't want them, universities provide you with the facts alone as well.

sorry i like the 80s and 90s,
muh ninja turtles
muh legos
muh aol

>>2508607
Where in EE? Maybe places like Ukraine or Russia can still be saved, I admittedly don't know much about them.

>>2508612
Hungary. Don't have illusions of muh ebin Orbán, it's an absolute moral cesspit compared to other countries. I personally think nothing gets emptier than nationalism and religiousness, but this conversation is not about that, and the moral problems prevalent don't necessarily either.

>>2508612
Rural Hungary is GOAT

>>2508412
I genuinely believe I would be happier.

Consider this:
>Cow is happy grazing on grass
>Monkey is happy climbing trees for fruit
>Lioness is happy hunting
>Human is happy working hard on farm

>Human is unhappy working from a comfy desk job, and decides to end his life by jumping out of a 12 story building designed for his comfort, to fall and die on a car that was built to make his life easier.

No amount of material wealth can ever make one happier. We live by law and economy; we're forced to accept x person as a member of our tribe for the simple fact that he has a paper that says he's a citizen, and we're supposed to tolerate this person simply because he has money. We're controlled by a political and economic system that tells us who we are allowed to associate with. And while it doesn't blatantly say "You can't do this or that", but instead says "You have the freedom to speech and association", it doesn't mean shit, because the same political and economic system is selling houses where you live to people not like you, and they're forcing their money into your hands, so you have to pay it back, and you can only pay it back by working at those specific jobs which the government and the economy tell you to work at, jobs with low income, jobs where you're forced to talk to people not like yourself, people you don't even trust.

With complete freedom, and I mean complete freedom, even the freedom to murder or steal, man's vestigial honour comes back. Honour doesn't mean respect, goodness, honesty, or any of that bullshit; honour is a relationship between you and YOUR society. Without the faux-society that the media presents, and the faux-natural-law that politics and the economy impose on us, we decide who our society is by natural means. Without the modern system, we would have the freedom of honour, and honour would become more than just unrequited mania. We wouldn't feel randomly depressed. Depression is a symptom of an honourless person.

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>>2508412
>How many of you genuinely believe you would be happier in an earlier time?
Completely retarded "golden age" type mythologizing of history.

>>2508659
>pros of a free man
>living in a warehouse
>picture of some gay ass concert
I think you didn't think this through.

>>2508659
>extremely emaciated
The peasants were actually pretty fucking fat since they overdosed on bacon and cheese.

>>2508670
We aren't all paranoid forest apes living in a compound clutching our bibles and eyebanging our sister

Some of us live in urban areas and like to visit other humans and attend music shows.

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If I was an aristocrat, and could keep myself out of the wars and black lists around said, "The Golden Age" of 1920-30's had a very nice intellectual and cultural scene for the elite, just liberated enough to still have fun, that the obscure circles I belonged to during the early 90's (yes I'm old) were a pale imitation of. Yeah, a lot of them were goth as fuck, but even they seemed to revel in their misery.

If I'm average Joe, belonging one of the more prosperous but isolated, Native American tribes would be nice. Where men could be men (and, more importantly, be individuals), but didn't have to chop each other's heads off on a regular basis (such as where the tribes interacted), nor indirectly bleed anyone dry just to survive (unlike today).

But I wouldn't want to see mankind revert to either culture, as I do actually give a shit about the collective nature of man, and don't wanna see us all wiped out come the next cosmic golf ball or terrestrial fart. So, assuming we escape the anti-intellectual death spiral in which we currently find ourselves, in the end, the era I wish to live in has yet to be born.

>>2508679
Urban areas are cancerous.

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>>2508412
Daily reminder that 1800-1914(pre-war) was GOAT

>>2508501

You forgot

>Watch as the local lord comes and rapes your wife because he can
>Raiders murder your family and steal your chickens
>Die a slow and agonizing death from the plague

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>>2508684
Nice fantasy for a forest ape. Pity for you that those are the places where all of the economic growth have been taking place

>>2508698
I live in an urban area, sorry to say. It really is degeneracy central.

>>2508621

>nothing gets emptier than nationalism and religiousness

t. Soros

>>2508698
>economic growth
Materialist money worshippers out.

>>2508698

Cities are nice to visit but a complete meme to live in

I like modern food too much. Right now I can taste dishes from all over the world at a pretty reasonable price. I can find infinitely more entertainment than I could in any other period of history, my higiene and health are better, and I'm living in the era of free thought and free speech, so I probably would kill myself if my memories translated to another era.
But if I didn't know what I was missing, being a farmer somewhere safe in the height of the Roman Empire, like in Sardinia or some shit would be pretty chill. Or being an ancient Phoenician/Greek trader exploring the mediterranean and beyond

>>2508715
Taco Bell and Panda Express don't count buddy.

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>>2508702
And the beautiful thing is that if you find urban living too competitive and high energy for you, you have the freedom to give it all up and go live in the woods where those mean old ethnic minorities can't get you.

Serfs would have had to get legal permission to move.

>>2508708
>Materialist money worshippers out.
But this is my base, now

>>2508712
>Cities are nice to visit but a complete meme to live in
I know lots of people who commute to them for work and go back to living where ever they want when they're done. You can live in a log cabin in upstate NY and work in Manhattan and have a commute which isn't that bad. Same goes for any urban center: people have the freedom to set their own living arrangements.

>>2508715

>muh ethnic food

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>turns out reactionaries have a overly romanticized view of the past

>>2508768

>materialism meme
>"""""freedom""""" to subsidize Muslim immigration and single mothers

At least the old empires did G shit like build wonders and conquer nations

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>>2508768
>non-reactionaries

>>2508768
>society is always steadily progressing to a utopia the past was always worse my marxist professor told me so

>>>/w/higgishhistory

>>2508659
>be slack jawed simple minded moron
Sounds like your average normies and trash of today. At least serfs had practical skills.

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>>2508779
>"""""freedom""""" to subsidize Muslim immigration and single mothers
"He that does not like civil society on these terms, let him retire and live among savages. He can have no right to the benefits of society, who will not pay his club towards the support of it."
>G shit like build wonders
Find one that comes close to CERN in terms of scale, splendor, and utility
> and conquer nations
The United States is still the engine powering the world economy. We dominate them culturally and economically rather than militarily

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>>2508806
>At least serfs had practical skills.
Right, because subsistence farming is such a growth industry

>>2508809
Why do you assume everyone in here is American?

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>>2508823
>growth
What did he mean by this

>>2508804
>past sucks more than you think
>ya well you think the future is great
Nice whatsboutism. I actually the past is as shitty as the present, the latter has creature comforts though

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>>2508847
>What did he mean by this
What I meant is that not every body would be content with being some forest ape content with a nice dry cave and freshly chased down game.

Because even if you're okay with burying your head in the sand and dreaming of a happier time in the past, your foreign peers will eventually overcome you when they discharge timidity in the face of technological chance.

>>2508840
>not being part of the American master race

ffs kill yourself already you'll just be in the way when our Caesar comes knocking

>>2508875
What we want isn't realistically attainable anymore. It's more of a sentimental cry for the better times.

>>2508875

Desu the dream is to use modern technology against them.

Neo-reactionary state soon

>>2508897
>how do we beat modernism?
>WITH MORE MODERNISM!

Top kek. Marx was actually right that the material base and technology is driving mankind, except it's driving it to hell. And there's no brakes on this evil train.

>>2508882
You are longing for something that doesn't exist

>>2508745
>>2508764
all im saying is that I dont want to eat the same 3 dishes my whole life.

>>2508911
It doesn't, but it used to. I've lived it in the late 80s and early 90s.

>>2508474
>I genuinely believe I'd be happier toiling the earth
I don't think you know how hard it really is. I used to visit my granddad's farm during summers, he would take me and my brother to the fields and plant banana, mango, nutmeg trees and dig proper irrigation trenches when I was fucking 5 (till 12) with my granddad and my brother, we would spend four hours a stretch in gruelling summer heat in july of southern india have an hour break for lunch in the afternoon and then go out and work again till 5:30 or 6 pm. The meals were the best I had after the work, but goddamn everything hurt, it was gruelling and made me appreciate what I had back home just going to school and getting everything handed to me.

The comfort I was used to was too good and that was in 90's india, I cant imagine some overfed westerner doing a fraction of the work for a day let alone his whole life.

>>2508919
Never existed, nostalgia goggles be damned

>>2508936

Poo in field

>>2508971
Nah we had an outhouse.

>>2508474
>I genuinely believe I'd be happier toiling the earth and watching the sheep as a simple peasant with no concept of the world 10km beyond my village

Please talk to any old Chinese dude and ask them how that life is compared to a modern one. Don't be surprised if you get slapped.

>>2508959
>muh nostalgia goggles
Get fucked kiddo.

>>2508506

This is exactly what I'm thinking. Hunger isn't fun, and neither is the brutal reality of the natural order.

>>2508936
Sounds like your grandfather overburdened you at your age rather gradually increase your workload. But what difference does it make if you become accustom to it? You got exposed to luxuries of staying indoors during the rest of the year. If that didn't happen, you wouldn't have suffered as badly from not seeing the differences.

If you ask the modern somewhat middle class worker if his salary is ideal or enjoyable after he spends 3/4th of the year living as a millionaire among other millionaires, he'll probably smack you too. He'll probably feel that he has been reduced and feels humiliated that his once peers are now far more advantageous than him and enjoying a more easier life from their wealth propensity than him even though they were once equals. Indeed, there's probably millionaires out there that get everything handed to them since early age that doing anything mundane such as cleaning their own house or shopping for themselves feels to be a reduction in their dignity and excessive hard work.

>>2508514

You don't have to be a rat in the rat race.

>>2508659
>emaciated
beer, dairy, bread and meat

>>2508690
it would be nice to live there

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>>2508659
>peasants were emaciated and malnourished

who let reddit in?

>muh degeneracy
>muh wimmin
>muh materialism
>muh rat race

Weaklings who can't survive in this society are luckily being removed from the gene pool.

Barring some obviously horrific periods like the plague, WW1, the Great Depression, etc, I don't really think there are good or bad times. Every time has its own problems. We have amazing creature comforts now, but our society is a mess. We're divided, people are constantly at each others throats over inane bullshit, nobody trusts anyone, and no one has any purpose in life. In 800AD, your whole life was pretty much set and figured out for you. Your society actually worked; you had a homogeneous culture. You believed 100% in your religion's vision of the afterlife. But you had to put up with the Vikings, rampant disease, and basically no creature comforts.

>>2509215
But you have to be a rat to be a Jew.

>>2508753
>commuting everyday from a log cabin in upstate NY to Manhattan
So you're gonna be communiting for 7 hours? What a life lol.

>>2509338
You sound really agitated.

>>2509393
Yes and? My point is that all times have their upsides and downsides. Currently we have awesome stuff but can't do anything other than satisfy base urges.

The grass is always greener, etc etc.

>>2508679
>Some of us live in urban areas and like to visit other humans and attend music shows.
Cities back than were death traps of disease.

>>2509411
They still are!

Yes.
>tfw i'm a programmer but nothing makes me feel more fulfilled than physical labour.

>>2509415
Not really unless you live in designated shitting streets India and even than they still have access to modern medicine.

>>2509442
They're still full of disease, its just not cholera anymore. Now its HIV.

>>2509450
Which you are very unlikely to ever get if you just practice safe sex and choose your partners wisely. Even than it's not a death sentence anymore.

It's not like back then when shit was poured out onto the streets and any tiny cut infected or flu could easily kill you not to mention that STD's were around back then as well.

>>2509463
And back in the day, all you had to do was boil your water. Simple!

>>2509465
They didn't have the knowledge or education back than. They thought disease was caused by "bad air", Jews, or random acts of God.

>>2509478
>implying Jews don't spread disease

>How many of you genuinely believe you would be happier in an earlier time?
If anything, I'd prefer the future.

Physical and mental illness would suck without appropriate healthcare.

>>2509442
>not death traps
Have you checked the murder rate in Detroit recently? New Orleans? Caracas? Sao Paulo?

>>2509478
>Jews
Well that was correct. It's no coincidence that Jews weren't really hit by the plague despite dwelling right in the middle of cities.

>>2509522
We were talking about disease, and third world country's like the Unites States Venezuela and Brazil are obviously not going to have the nicest conditions.

>>2509563
Most countries in the world are like that.

>>2509574
Most countries are third world shitholes yes.

>>2509577
That's what I was saying. So this meme idyllic version of modern reality you have is pure horseshit.

>>2509581
lol, even third world countries today have better living conditions than feudal europe.

All I've been doing is pointing out is that it's retarded to think cities are anywhere near as bad as they were in feudal times.

>>2509586
Better than medieval cities sure. Better than medieval countryside, fat chance.

>>2508675
peasants did NOT have enough pigs to have a constant diet of pork throughout the year. basically before the 1900s most peasants had little protein in their diet. not all areas are favorable for raising cattle, which take up a lot of space if pasture bred, or else take up a lot of grain if you keep them in a barn. cattle, as far as i know, was grown only in specific regions (e.g. southern denmark and hungary), and mostly bred for their hides to sell on the european market. besides that, things didn't keep long so any meat would likely be smoked or salted.

>>2508705
More like t.intellectual, or simply an adult. I don't think LARPing through your entire life without any kind of substance or meaning is a fulfilling experience. Neither does anyone, that is why nationalists are always so full of spite and bitterness.

I wish I was born in 1958 so that I wouldn't have to worry about Vietnam and experience High school and college in the 70's. Then I can enjoy my 20's in the 1980's while the Cold War is dying down. Even though I was born in 1993, I love the music, fashions, and cinema of the 70's and 80's.

>ignorance is strenght : the thread
gee

>>2508412
I believe the pre-internet years were probably better for society as a whole, but now that its ingrained in society it cant ever be removed. But in general, i think people have lost sight of what matters in the wake of "progression".

The past:
>"degree creep" wasnt a thing yet, it was easy to provide for a family even as a blue collar working man.
>cost of living wasnt so high, same as above
>before information could spread so fast, people were more reliant on themselves and family and less so on technology
>it was okay to hold onto the beliefs of your family, and the family unit was still treasured
>people had basic life skills and common sense, such as keeping home utilities working and managing finances
>hobbies required dedication and people outside of them generally let them be

Now:
>unpaid internships dominate the degree driven market unless youre lucky, straining a lot of people who are in student debt anyway
>cost of living always rising
>people live their whole lives on social media, to even WANT to keep to yourself instead of being on social media is considered contrarian
>if you dont agree with mainstream news, expect to be given weird looks at best, publicly ostracized at worst, thanks to the ability to call people out on social media
>very few people are capable of life tasks, to the point where "i'll do it for you" businesses are huge now. Taxes arent that god damn hard.
>any hobby or interest is a google search away, and can be jumped into and out of in a short time. Same with music. Hobby-based communities are essentially non-existent outside the internet or high school clubs.

And thats all before even getting into social and political issues.

>>2508412
>1/3 (33%) of days feast days
Vs
>2/7 (29%) of days weekends plus holidays and vacation time

Looks about the same to me.

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Those among you who are serfdom enthusiasts should look up the ideology of the reactionary southern USA prior the civil war.

>dude what if we just enslaved all the poor people, then everybody would have jobs and be provided for

It is really a very interesting subject to read about.

>>2508412
I'd rather have the boons of modern life without actually working. I wish neetbux were a thing where I live.

>>2508412

I want to be born just in time to fight in both world wars?

You what now

>>2510419

More like t. Antifa nu male

10,000BC

Y'all can't even debate me on this because that shit is prehistoric and this is the history board.

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1890s in Britain. Get to see the height of western civilization and then either die a super /lit/ death in the First World War or become a super famous poet / writer.

Oh and too old for WW2 so its perfect

>>2510661
>Jewish guided progressivism is strength : the post

>>2508474
Google homesteading, you can still do it.

>>2510661

>""""ignorant"""" groups like the Amish
>5+ kids per family
>solid morals and community

>(((progressive))) society
>literally dying (sub replacement birth rate) and being invaded by shitskins

Really made me think

>>2510999
Go be Amish then, faggot. You'll regret it when you can't shitpost.

>>2510999
>being brainfucked by memes
shameful desu

>>2511729
I doubt Amish regret they can't shitpost. Either way, accusing someone of blatant romanticism for being impressed by the Amish way of life or values is disingenuous. No one can change the way they've lived their whole life. At best >>2510999 or other individuals can slowly attempt to become the person they'd like to be. If this ends taking a more Luddite approach towards life so be it.

>>2508412
In earlier time was better. Guaranteed job. No
migrants from distant countries even don't knowing country language. Cheap transport include long-distance train. Free apartments from country after few decade. No damn tycoons. Best cinema ever. Cheap healthy ice-cream. No racism. But gods damned stupid cold war with country on another side of the Earth crashed all this.

>>2510743
You forget Sundays off in the old days. Plus farmers (which is most the most common profession for most of human history by a large margin) work whenever they like and reap what they sew. You have the choice to put the extra work into it and get a greater harvest or not. You can work night or day.

>>2508412
Monk in the lateish middle ages
>read books
>grow veggies
>brew beer

Sounds like a good life

>>2511745

>facts don't real

>>2508412
Can I be a cowboy?

>>2508412
I grew up incredibly isolated on a farm. I knew things like TV existed in theory, but the only technology in the house was a radio that could only pick up one cattle and crop AM station for 2 hours a day. My whole childhood was playing outside, hard work and learning the fundamentals from a handful of books from the 60's. I was essentially living in the 1800's from birth to age 16.

When I was 16, I was sent to boarding school so I could get my high school qualification and study agriculture in order to run the farm better. I arrived and leapt into the fucking future.

Someone let me use their mobile to call my parents. I'd never even used the rotary phone that sat on top of the kitchen cupboard at home before. When I dialed the number, I thought it was a combination of CB radio and letter writing, so I rambled out half a letter's worth before my mother stopped me to let me know it was two-way and instantaneous.

I never went back and have literally never been happier. For all the problems of modern society, its technology and vast opportunities are too good to pass up. The "a better time" meme needs to die.

>>2511948
Perhaps modernity is good for you. Lot of people would prefer a more traditional lifestyle. Or better yet, create a healthy middle way between the two that we've been lacking ever since the industrial revolution.

>>2508412
sometimes I wish I'd been born 10-30 years earlier so I could watch the beginning of the microcomputer revolution and maybe have a hand in it
I wouldn't really want to go back before electricity; definitely wouldn't want to go back before at least the early parts of modern medicine

>>2508522
this kind of shit is why our schools are going down the toilet
if you expect something to be shit you're not going to support it, and if you don't support it will become shit

>>2508501
>>marry a submissive 18 year old virgin
>he wants a fuckdoll, not a woman
>>simple yet happy life as a farmer
>he doesn't appreciate complexity
>>no degeneracy
>>no niggers
>opinion discarded
>>nothing to make you doubt your life
>he doesn't realize doubt makes other things brighter and more real

>>2508514
no, because struggle and strife are important parts of what someone human, or even alive

>>2509210
A strange part of human happiness is its relative nature.

As long as our "perceived" neighbors are within some sort of income/class limit, we're happy. A person might feel happy owning a few cows and some acres of land.

When that same person see propagated images that seem like mind-blowing luxury, that person is a bit less happy.

But it helps illustrate the whole migrant situation. Images of prosperity don't inspire them to create such conditions in their local area, it inspires them to move to the areas where prosperity is in display.

>>2510999
if anyone decided to invade the Amish there's nothing they could do about it, it's like invading a shao lin temple
if we all lived like the Amish we'd all be under someone else's thumb

>>2511948

Did you grow up in Africa?

>>2512044

Yes goy spend thousands of dollars letting us brainwaah your children

>>2508412
End of the Gilded Age.
WW1.
The Great Depression.
WW2.
What a great time to be alive!