Dresden. Why?

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>>2505358
Germany would have dominated Europe sooner or later and would ultimately threaten the British dominance over the old continent, therefore it had to be destroyed. Or at least that's what motivated Churchill.

>>2505358
Play with fire, you get burnt.

>>2505397
You must have a very fragile sense of identity and pride if you have to justify crimes against cultural heritage and civilians.

Even the Nazis managed to apologize for the destruction they caused in the Netherlands and Spain, recognising the signififance of the cultural heritage destroyed.

>>2505430

>implying that the Germans weren't perfectly fine with bombing civilians and cultural heritage until they were MADE to be sorry

What part of Vi Victus do you NOT understand?

>>2505358
Degeneracy breeds corruption of the soul, and British aristocracy and upper class are the epitome of depravation.

Studying the Opium Wars, there's really nothing more you need to know about these kind of people.

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because Guernica

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Because Warsaw

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because Rotterdam

>>2505358
anglo

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Because London

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Because Belgrade

>>2505543
>>2505545
Anglos and poles don't count as human beings.

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>>2505358

start shit get hit

>>2505358
I think it was suppose to an English display of power in front of the soviets along with being nothing then a spiteful act by the British high command.

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>>2505430

>>2505555
In this case Dresden bombing is not a war crime, just a reaction of nature

Do it again, Bomber Harris!

>>2505550
As if Berlin was´nt bombed before London.

>>2505577
As if Germany did nothing to deserve it

>>2505584
As if Germany did´nt purposely avoid bombing British cities while sending messages asking for peace.

>>2505591
As if Germany couldn't understand what military alliances are all about

>>2505591

That's correct, they didn't avoid bombing British cities while sending messages asking for peace.

>>2505555
And who are you to say that they are not humans?

>>2505555
Quads don't lie

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>>2505607
I´m not laffin
>>2505606
As if military alliances mean jack shit

>>2505658
>I´m not laffin

No one cares, Hans.

>>2505553
>>2505543
>tfw germans specifically targeted polish and serbian national libraries

>>2505658
>They have an alliance, so a guy in it won't react if I attack another guy in it
Is... is this what they call Autism?

>>2505665
G*rmany - crippling the culture of Europe since 476

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This kills the anglo.

>>2505696

Poor Mr Bean, he loved that car.

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>>2505696

>>2505358

if you don't want your country to get bombed don't start a war with a country with an air force

>>2505680
So they are meant to react to the invasion of Poland months before with the bombing of Berlin?

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>>2505358
Anglos are bullies.

>>2505430
>Even the Nazis managed to apologize for the destruction they caused in the Netherlands and Spain

I guess that makes it all better then. Nazis truly did nu nuffin wrong.

>>2505734

Why not?

Nothing like some toasty nazis.

We ought to have firebombed more cities.

>>2505805
The British did firebomb more cities. What I never got about Dresden is why the focus. It wasn't the hardest hit city by a long shot, which would probably go to either Hamburg or Bochum, depending on whether you're counting absolute carnage or destruction as measured by percentage of the city.

But Dresden is the firebombing that everyone knows about.

>>2505658
What's that thing in your image? In the green uniform.

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>>2505358
DO IT AGAIN BOMBER HARRIS

AGAIN AGAIN AND AGAIN

>>2505430
[launches V2 rockets at London as late as Feburary 1945]

>>2505555
then dont complain about Dresden

>>2505816

The reason is that in the aftermath of the Dresden bombing the Nazis out out propaganda that hundreds of thousands had been killed, which has led to various inflated claims of casualty figures over the years leading Dresden to be the most talked about and controversial of the major bombings.

eternal kraut removal

buisness is boomin

>>2505358
Because it was a railway hub and major industrial area. Bombing it was meant to facilitate Soviet operations in the east. This could have been better accomplished had they all followed the American plan, but Harris was irrationally insistent that destroying workers was better than destroying machinery and infrastructure. Speer noted after war that the American strikes were much more effective when the British asked him about it.

>>2505430
Don't start nothin', there won't be nothin'.

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>>2505840
I fucking made that OC m8. Thanks for using it have some more.

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>>2505457

>>2505720
Words to live by.

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>>2505577
huh?

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9000 hours of paint.

>>2505897
>Harris was irrationally insistent that destroying workers was better than destroying machinery and infrastructure.

Takes longer to make new ones and make them operational,

>>2505460
The part where you mangled the Latin phrase, you dumb middle school fedoratipper.

>>2505897
>Harris was irrationally insistent that destroying workers was better than destroying machinery and infrastructure
You are truly stupid if you think Harris was irrational in thinking that. Machinery and tools are extremely hard to destroy by bombing. You can obliterate a factory, but the enemy can simply dig up the machines and tools and start over again in no time. Humans are a lot easier to destroy.

>>2505974
Not that guy, but no, Harris was a big poo-pooher of the idea of strategic bombing as an economic weapon, because he thought air war could completely supplant land war, instead of being a supporting arm to it. Bombing oil wells? Panacea, stupid, won't work. Bombing even the oil workers, assuming you could target them, is just another way of doing the same.

No, you win a war from the air by causing the enemy morale to break and to sue for peace because they're homeless and starving and being bombed. To the end of the war he believed it, or at least wrote about how that was the proper way to do things. And it didn't work. Sure, people weren't exactly happy in Germany the way things were being smashed to bits, but it never produced either a successful revolt against the Nazi party or forced the Nazis to surrender.He actually didn't want to destroy workers (and I would have to disagree with the anon you replied to) either. He wanted to make them homeless and miserable and a drain on the welfare and morale of the Reich.

And well, it didn't work.

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>>2505974

Not really.

Remember the Blitz Spirit schlock? You don't actually believe it didn't apply to the Germans as well, right? They had fucking Goebbels shrieking on the radio every other night and hate him all you want, but that dude knew what to say and said it until the very last weeks of the war when morale finally broke.

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>>2505358
Why didn't Hitler just have all British POWs in German camps killed for Dresden as revenge?

>>2506007

Because word would get out and the Brits would return the favour.

>>2505555
The consider the world dominated by non humans, sorry mate but anglos have held the reigns of power for 300 years so far

>>2505591
HA! They sent peace treaties that where in their favour. The Brits set a line, that line was poland. Should of Remained happy with czechoslovakia

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>>2505993
WHO WON THE BLOODY WAR, ANYWAY!!??

>>2506035

Won the war

Lost the peace

>>2505816
Probably Industry and demoralization.

>>2506035

Oh, the Allies won. But the Allies won by occupying Germany with boots on the ground after a pretty major struggle on land, not because the German people broke under the strain and sued for peace. Harris's strategic notion of HOW to win the war was fatally flawed. It's hard to even measure how bad the morale was among the civilian population, or what contributions, if any, that made to the overall war effort. Most of the Insiders in the Nazi war machine didn't seem worried about the dehousing, it was the economic angle they were primarily worried about.

What was it that Speer determined? The Aerial capaign affected something like 5 percent of the industrial output of the entire war and only had a real effect when the Americans started bombing the oil fields and refineries.

He also said they could have knocked the Nazis out of the war with two weeks of nonstop attacks on the field at any time. They didn't.

>>2505382
and we see how that worked out. british dominance over the old continent is gone, just as their empire while the german economy is flourishing. germany holds a key role in the eu while the uk has choosen to isolate themselves by abandoning it. history is funny sometimes.

>>2505358

Because the Jews and communists want to genocide white people.

>>2506065
Speer didn't determine shit. He never conducted a study of strategic bombing, he just said some random things off hand.

>>2506175

And how much Genocide would there have been had Germany not invaded Poland?

>>2505543
Shouldn't have revolted :^)

>>2506034
Yeah, the line was halfway into Poland. That way they didn't have to declare war on the Soviet Union who also invaded Poland. Military alliance my ass

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>>2505716
>alienware

why not? germany deserved it

>>2505358
DO IT AGAIN BOMBER HARRIS

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>>2505553
>>2505550
>>2505545
>>2505543
>>2505540
same cuck from /pol/

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>>2507213
Stormcuck detected.

>>2505358

To remind every single kraut that war has a price and that price is high, very fucking high.

>>2507277
The Flame of Freedom burns bright in this one.

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>>2505358
>DO IT AGAIN BOMBER HARRIS
DO IT AGAIN BOMBER HARRIS

>>2507259

You forgot how the war killed the floewer of German youth and Germany proper and the acts he condone probably fast tracked the civil rights movement in the United States leading to this regressive left movement.

>>2507284

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>>2507213
>I post multiple answers on OP's dumbass question so I must be a guy browsing another section, who enjoys watching my partner have sex with someone else

>>2507259
The guy on the left is right. Cuckold politicians like Merkel would've never existed if it wasn't for the Hitler guilt.

The US and to some extent Britain were getting big into the whole strategic bombing thing, some folks going as far as to propose that they could basically win the war with bombers.
So they pulled Dresden as an experiment of sorts. They were looking for a good example of the concept.

>>2507453
>I have absolutely no fucking clue what I'm talking about but I'm going to post anyway and nobody can stop me!

Protip: You do your proof of concept experiments a bit before 2 months prior to the war ending and after you've spent enormous amounts of blood and treasure building these massive bombers. Hell, Dresden wasn't even their first firestorm.

Dresden. Why not?

>>2506034
>yeah who cares about Danzig anyways, Fritz
>We got the Sudetenland back, so why should we even care what these people in Danzig want. Peace is probably better

>>2505966
fucking saved

>all these bullshit excuses

Even if they're primary sources, I still think they're bullshit. We just wanted to roast some Germans, plain and simple. The only regret I have is that those kraut pieces of shit surrendered before we could nuke a couple cities.

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because Anglo """humans""" thought that killing civilians was okay because "muh evil Naziis"

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Should have finished the job. The G*rms have been a plague on Europe since forever.

>>2507551
Yeah, the nazis totally didn't kill civilians. How could they ever have expected it.

>>2507559
so your mother deserves to die if you kill my mother?

>>2507559
>believes in blood feuds
Do you happen to be of Hebrew extraction per chance?

>>2507562
No but if you kill my mother, and then a bunch of other mothers, and refuse to stop killing mothers until we corner you on your bunker, then yes your mother will be killed if its the only thing to make you stop killing mothers. I mean, I forgot how did they program the V1s and V2s not to kill mothers?

>>2507562
>>2507587
If you can't comprehend the concept of total war and can only shit out terrible analogies, it's best to just leave the thread.

>>2507587
I dont believe in blood fueds. I believe if you start a war and refuse to surrender and stop killing other people, you will also be killed. I forgot how Dresden was the major hub of anti-Hitler resistance freedom fighters.

>>2507600
>muh total war
Dresden had absolutely no purpose, Germany was already on its knees and there was no way for them to exit the war other than total capitulation by that point. It was just a pure display of power.

>>2507608
>you will also be killed
>you
Yes, I forgot that every German civilian including small children were responsible for war crimes simply by the virtue of being German. I guess if we applied the same logic to UK, then the entirety of British population warrants extermination as a revenge for British imperialism.

>>2507595

>he thinks firebombing civilian centers was necessary for the war effort

If we were going to carry on with the analogy, the firebombings were the equivalent of going "unless you give up, we're going to murder all your mothers one after the other."

It was a distinct effort of "punish the German civilian populace until the war was untenable". And in the end it didn't work because Germany had to be basically entirely occupied anyway. Even if Germany had capitulated it was likely the allies wouldn't have accepted anything but unconditional surrender.

>>2507609

because Germany was so famous for doing stuff in moderation

>>2507609
That's what total war between two nations is. Invading France was not a display of power? The nazis had pressing military reasons of survival?

>>2507624
Strawman.

>>2507626
See >>2507562

>>2507609
Why didn't Germany surrender then?

>>2507626
>Frogs trying to talk about war

>>2507624

Saying "b-but the baddies are worse" doesn't magically excuse bad behavior. It's not like Dresden was an "if we don't do it to them they'll do it to us" scenario.

>>2507620
It's nation vs nation, that includes all the people... Hitler would have leveled new your city and Washington DC if he could have projected his power that far. You think anyone in history is ever going to think the Germans deserve to be treated any different than they treated Poland and France and Jews if you believe that sort of thing?

iTT: We should have been treated better than we treated others even though there is no rules of nature or law that require it.

>>2507657
>Monkeys fling shit
>Might as well fling shit with the monkeys, lmao no natural law says I can't XDDDD

>>2507657
I tip my fedora to this epic nihilistic post m'lady

Germany is lucky they crapped out before the atomic weapons were deployed. Crying about Dresden when they drenched a whole continent in blood over muh German pride. The absurdity.

>>2507640

>b-but the baddies are worse

Not what I'm saying. As Harris said, they sowed the wind and they reaped the whirlwind.

Dresden was unnecessary, not unjustified

Reap the whirlwind.

>>2505430
>Even the Nazis managed to apologize for the destruction they caused in the Netherlands and Spain, recognising the signififance of the cultural heritage destroyed.
Sort of had to considering they lost the only war they ever started.

>>2507668
You think the threat of being treated better than you treat the people you murder is somehow a deterrent in international relations. It's ok if you murder everyone Germany, we will leave you alone.

>>2507670

It was justified by "payback time cunts".

Maybe to some that's acceptable, but you're basically taking out your revenge indiscriminately on many people that didn't do you the injustice in the first place.

>>2507661
You think the monkeys will understand if you sit them down and give them a good talking to? Then they will see reason and the wisdom of not flinging poo?

>>2507702
>implying getting raped by the red army is left alone

are you seriously trying to argue germany didn't suffer enough without dresden?

>>2507720
strawman

when a monkey flings shit at you, you don't pick up the shit and start flinging back.

>>2507609
What do you think of the atomic bombs? Were they, in your opinion, necessary?

There is no justification needed in war. There is no ethical justice to be achieved. Killing people and taking thier resources is the whole idea. You want a fair war, a nice gentlemanly war, an ethical war? Hitler thought it was a matter of survival for the German people, isn't that how he justified all his actions? And you want the British to view the survival of Germans as the first priority?

>>2507702

As a soldier, you are most certainly more likely to surrender to someone who will give you food and board until the war is over compared to one that will put you against the wall and put a bullet in you. Being the "good guy" in international relations can also help ensure you don't give your enemies more allies against you due to moral outrage. Sure 'moral outrage' is usually very pragmatic, but when you're obviously an asshole you're basically doing everyone's propaganda for them, IE Germany invading Belgium in the first war completely killed their reputation internationally, particularly in Britain. Not to mention, as we've seen, if you initiate being a cunt you're more likely to have someone retaliate in kind.

So yes, there are very many circumstances where it is better to treat your enemy better.

>>2507731
Exactly, you get a gun and put its ass down. You don't pick a fight with a superior coalition and expect to be treated kindly for it.

>>2507731

That's not a strawman, it's taking your bad analogy to its bad logical conclusion.

>>2507725
That was thier own doing. They invaded the USSR. Whatever suffering they got was clearly not enough of a deterrent. Or did they think uncle Joe was just kidding?

>>2507748
I don't think the allies had to worry about loosing international support and the war somehow swing against them suddenly.

But I'm not arguing it was somehow justified. I'm arguing that it was total war and ethical justifications are mere self delusions.

>>2507715

You've sort of addressed the point.

Dresden was deliberately indiscriminate payback to the reigning champions of indiscriminate slaughter and that's that.

Any fruther ethical consideration is just an endless chain of hypotheticals

There is no need for a moral fig leaf to hide behind. Morality, justice, ect have no place in war. If you start a war you return to the state of nature. You kill or be killed. This is the philosophy used by the Nazis, and it was the same philosophy they were dealt with. So long as Germany was under Nazi rule, every German citizen not in absolute rebellion against the regime was an enemy citizen.

You didn't even suffer the humiliation of two atomic weapons used against you. Your indiscriminate death and destruction campaign was returned to you in kind. This was the age of Nation States. Individual citizens of that state were members of that Nation. Until a treaty or surrender is signed both parties may execute the war as they see necessary.

Poor Dresden, see guys! Germany was the victim after all! Kek. Well if you still feel sore about it, we wont Jew out of our come-up-ins. You can invade your neighbors with your defective battle rifles and truck loads of piss and scat porn.

>>2505943
the guy who made this should be hanged
he is such a blue pilled fuck that embarasses the whole of 4chan

>>2507838
Atomic weapons weren't even the worst. Firebombing of Tokio was more brutal than Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined.

>>2505943
>UK committed war crimes which means Germany did not
Nobody is saying that. We're just highlighting the double standards when Britain gets to subdue and terrorize half the planet and it's no biggie, but the moment Germany starts committing atrocities they're the only bad guys and Britain is suddenly in a position of a moral crusader.

And little has changed to this day, when outright warmongers like the US, Britain, Russia or Israel get to have nuclear weapons and nobody gives a fuck, but the moment Iran tries to get their own nukes then they're suddenly evil and a threat to the world security.

>>2507894

>I have never read the Nuclear-Non-proliferation treaty and have no idea how it works.

>>2507906
>warmongers who already have nukes sign an agreement that nobody else is allowed to have nukes
Really makes you ponder

>>2507894

>reads Chomsky once

>>2507921
believe me, you would not want to see a world with iranian nukes

iran gets nukes and a regional arms race starts with saudi arabia and egypt piling in and the chances of nuclear holocaust accelerates towards certainty

>>2507921
>I STILL have no idea what I'm talking about, but I won't stop posting!

By the way, does that make Iran, which is a signatory to the NPT, a warmonger who has nukes? Where do India and Pakistan fall on this supposed moral outrage scale?

>>2507935
But Israel, a country that hates pretty much all of its neighbors, gets to have nukes. And that is somehow not a threat to regional security, fantastic line of thinking Schlomo.

>>2507819
>>2507838
>>2507851
Why are you such a butthurt fucking brit?
Did the the nazis (who were in the right, always will be) kill one of your disgusting jewish friends?

>>2507936
>trying to be clever but failing horribly

>>2507894
Comparatively speaking the United States and Britain are responsible, "trustworthy" first world Nations, frankly the only ones I would be comfortable having a nuke(s).

Russia, well, they had noox in the Cold War and you can't expect the cowboy to turn in his gun in hostile situations.
However Iran should by *no* means have access to any thermonuclear device. They've proven time and again that they are anti-west, most specifically USA, and their crackpot ideologies and willingness to antagonize the "Great Satan" will most definitely lead to some sort of nuclear proliferation in the future, should any of us first survive Trump's nixxing of Environmental Protections where we all die from some superbug that will be created when these multi-national corporations begin dumping unrecorded levels of chemicals and waste into the water supply and we all start bleeding from our eyes and shitting our spleens and intestines out.

>>2507950

>israel has nukes
>therefore iran should have nukes

good idea, while we're at it, let's give bhutan some warheads, sell a few ICBMs to vanuatu, and bid for the contracts to build the cape verdean nuclear sub fleet

>>2507982
>I voted for Hillary

>>2507999
Why isn't Israel forced to completely scrap their nuclear arsenal and hammered with sanctions and threats of invasion until they do so?

>>2507982
>the only country that ever actually used nukes is the only country I would trust having nukes

>>2507982
Yees bad Iran
Can you be more obvious jidf?

>>2508014
He is too stupid to think logically
I guess years of jidf training will do this to you

>>2507808

I'm just saying the rationale is a little flawed, by punishing people who deliberately ignore civilian suffering by deliberately ignoring civilian suffering.

>>2508001
Shows what you know, I didn't even vote.

>>2508017
Yes, because using those nukes is what I'm sure the ensuing 70 plus years of Peace in the world

>>2508025
I'm black not Jewish, fucking mouth breather.

>>2508014

because it'll get gangbanged by its neighbors

>>2508051
>I'm black
lol

>>2508051
Nigger get the fuck out
No one cares about your blue pilled '''pro''' Israel notions

>>2508059
>the protection of Israel is the paramount goal of western diplomacy
Yeah, probably because they're all on Israeli payroll.

>>2508040

We discourage murder by murdering murderers

>>2507978
I think I'm succeeding. You make a bunch of factual mis-statements which make it quite clear you have no idea how the NPT is structured, and then go on to cast moral judgment on them. Nobody is throwing rocks at countries that are not signatories developing nuclear weapons. They do, however, throw rocks at countries who are signatories and develop them anyway. Why does this surprise you?

>>2508073
We discourage rape by raping the rapists' families.

>this is you

>>2508051
>Shows what you know, I didn't even vote.
Ah yes you are too intelligent to vote for a racist bigot right?

>>2508073
please stop posting