Why has Africa never developed any great culture or civilization?

>>2501294


Dey dindunuffin.

>>2501294
Has Europe?

Egypt.
Carthage.

>>2501294
You're to have to specify sub-saharan africa because of Egypt

Because the living conditions didn't favor intelligence it favored running faster than the lion.

>>2501305
Yeah the question should be why hasn't Sub-Saharan Africa developed any civilization on its own

>>2501307
Yes, I meant sub-saharan africa

>>2501294
Mali
Nubia
Great Zimbabwe
Ethiopia

Now fuck off

>>2501314
OP said GREAT culture or civilization.

>>2501314
they're stone age tier

>>2501316
>great zimbabwe
>not great
its even in the name dumbo

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>>2501320
>this is stone age

K

>>2501307
Egypt was developed by Saharans

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What about Plato?

>>2501294
Benin, Congo, Ethiopia, Carthage, Egypt, Axum, Ghana, Mali, Meroe. Zanzibar Sultanate,

>>2501326
>this is stone age
no, its a plastic model sitting on a tile floor

>>2501310
OP should be clearer.

>>2501329
Out of those only Egypt and Carthage are GREAT civilizations.

>>2501331
>>2501313

>>2501310
same reason europeans didn't: they're an objectively inferior race

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>>2501330
>Ruins are not real

K

>>2501327
but not sub-saharans

>>2501343
>Ruins are not real
plastic models are not ruins
they are plastic models
come on anon

>>2501326
Thats actually look nice
post more architecture

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>>2501310
>Sub-Saharan Africa

Kingdom of Kush, D'mt and Kingdom of Aksum.

>>2501335
East Africa was unironically more advanced than Scandinavia at the time.

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>>2501330

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>>2501353
>Being this dense

The model is what the ruins looked like before it was ruins

I know your trolling but cmon do a better job

>>2501335
Lets assume that's true, completely ignoring Mali for example, so what?

>>2501294
Afroasiatic civilization was important and made incalculable contributions to humanity before being conquered by the Romans. Phonecians gave us the alphabet and Classical Western Civilization was really just the Greeks picking up where the Egyptians left off, improving and expanding upon the work that they pioneered.

Sub Saharan Africa has the twin handicaps of extreme geographic isolation, cut off from the other Eurasian cultures by the Sahara desert, along with an ecosystem which doesn't lend itself to easily domesticated species, do not only is trade difficult, there's little to actually trade, so these societies remained as hunter-gatherer generalist societies and never had the economic infrastructure to promote labor specialization.

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>>2501363
There's some unique churches and palaces

I'll post what I got

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>>2501363

>>2501370
Just saying that the African continent had only 2 noticeable civilizations.

If we're going by "black" Cushite/Negroid civilizations, there are 0. They remained as primitive as the barbarian Celts in Europe, never really progressing much.

>>2501294
Mali
Benin
Great Zimbabwe
Numidia
Egypt

>>2501329
Can't really count Carthage can you. Settled by phoenicians.

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>>2501363
Here's another picture of the same palace recreated

>>2501389
>Just saying that the African continent had only 2 noticeable civilizations.
funny how that puts it on the same level as europe and asia then

>>2501389
>There are 0

Absolutely not true, They had Nubia with multiple cities and an empire, and they had Ethiopia too, also Mali.

>>2501336
Egypt was black, there is so much evidence for it now that racists have to start saying Ethiopians and Somalians are not black to claim Egypt since they are both related to the Badarians and fit well, craniometrically and genetically, into Ancient Egypt's population

geocities(.)ws/nilevalleypeoples/

>>2501402
>a collection of tribes and small villages is now an empire

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>>2501363
Here's dungur

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Zimbabwe ruins.

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>>2501363
Yohannes the IV palace

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>>2501403

>>2501416
You are such a fucktard

>small villages


Nubians had cities while there were no cities in Europe (except maybe Greece) in 2000 bc, you retarded fuck, Ethiopia and Mali had cities too.

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>>2501416
>small vilages and tribes
back to /pol/

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>>2501363
Here's the Gondor Castle complex

>>2501440

and yet darkest africa never did

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>"great" as a measurement

Spooks

Spooks everywhere

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>>2501363
Another of the castle complex

>>2501453
Nubians are as dark as humans can get

>>2501305

>Carthage
>Great
>Civilization

PUNICS GET OUT OFF MY BOARD

DELENDA EST

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>>2501416
If this is what their villages looked like they were doing pretty fucking well

Land of Punt

>>2501467

you obviously don't know what darkest africa is

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>>2501453
Nice goal post shifting.

>>2501475
truly, house Solomon certainly over more territory than the historical Solomon

>>2501294
hostile environment, isolated location and shitty diet won't do any good for your culture

Great is relative, if we're comparing to Europe, India, or China, none of the stuff ITT other than Egypt is remotely notable and are just big mud hut regional trading posts

next

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Aristotle was black

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Machiavelli was black

>>2501512
Nothing compares to Rome or China.

>>2501512
Aksum became such an important big mud hut regional trading post at its height that the Persians considered it a great power.

That sort of thing can happen when you control the flow of Indian spices into Europe.

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>>2501512
>Nubia conquers Egypt and Jerusalem

>Nothin but a big mud hut trading post bro

K

>>2501416
Why do stormtards take 50's Tarzan movies and Animal Planet as historical guides?

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>>2501512
>Europe

What part of Europe though?

>>2501563
Saddest thing is that this mindset is so ingrained insanity that it will never go away no matter how well Africa does.

Look at how Asia rose to developed heights and still have to deal with people's bullshit. Lol news stations still use China/asia scare baiting to get views and blow shit up.

>>2501512
Using your standards we'd be comparing the Germanic tribes to Tang era China

>>2501546
The US is greater than both. In a war between the Roman Empire and the US, Americans would BTFO their legions with a few B2 bombers.

>>2501569
Why we're the North American natives so much less successful than their South American counterparts?

>>2501602

are you implying that china is not more often not being deceptive and aggressive?

>Rhodesia so butthurt about the Great Zimbabwe existing that they say Asians built it and threaten any archeologist who tries to tell the truth
kek

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>>2501563
Because they're fucking idiots

People have repeatedly posted African architecture in this thread and they've got nothing to counteract it. You'll can see them trying to use the same talking point of "hurr mudhuts" when they've literally just been proven wrong.

>>2501729

you just posted a bunch of rudimentary formed sticks and mud though

>>2501745
You just proved his point dummy

>>2501758

oh, so he posted mud huts to say it was ironic people claimed african architecture was mud huts?

is that it?

>>2501764
>Hut

Aside from that, there's nothing wrong with mud & straw as a building material when you live on the edge of treeless desert.

>>2501764
No he said that people may try to use the same talking point of "hurr mudhut", meanwhile you come along and call the structures in the picture mudhuts when you can clearly see that the buildings are more than rudimentary sticks and mud.

Do you want to tell me that the Great Mosque of Djenné, in fact the city of Djenné itself, is just a mud hut or mud hut city?

>>2501790
That's literally what it is. They have to rebuild it every year because the rainy season washes all the mud away.

>>2501652
Because it's often distorted so the cases were that is the case are indistinguishable from the cases that are just media hysteria and "80's Japan is gonna rule the world scare mongering but China" edition.

>>2501622
you don't 1:1 compare two groups idiot.

>>2501800
>the rainy season of timbuktu

>>2501846
Why not? They are both formidable powers.

>>2501325
>Holy
>Roman
>Empire
>Not Holy, Roman, or Great
its even in the name dumbo

>>2501365
Nigger that's Mud-Age

>>2501298
yes

>/pol/ gets btfo with facts everytime they ask this question
>have to add "great" as a qualifier and proceed to dismiss any examples through an arbitrary and subjective personal judgement just to look like they have an argument

>>2501844

they are literally building military base islands in a scheme to grab land in the pacific you dolt

>>2501562
>A bunch of niggers zerg rush into civilization
Wow, guess that makes Bantu in South Africa great conquerors then

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>>2501909
>A bunch of niggers zerg rush into civilization
This is literally what the Romans did tho.

Must we have this thread everyday?

>>2501729
Holy shit, you nigger dick-sucking faggot are you blind?
That """Great""" Mosque is LITERALLY made of MUD. Therefore, it is seen with the same disdain that simple mudhuts are. Actually competent civilizations learn how to make their buildings out of more sturdy materials.

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>>2501364
>Kingdom of Kush
North Nubians are similar to Upper Egyptians; about 60% eurasian. South Nubians (like modern-day South Sudanese) are negroid nilotics though.

>D'mt and Kingdom of Aksum.
Ethiopians are like 40-50% Eurasian mixed.

>>2501389
For pre-colonial truly black african states, look up Mali, Songhai, Ashanti and others. pic related

>>2501330
this

>>2501917
I don't recall the Romans migrating into actually civilized lands begging for gibs and trashing the place, not building anything of worth on their own, still relying on the people that they seek to genocide for living in a nation that they (not the niggers of course) built.

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>>2501294
You w0t m8?

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>>2501402
Ethiopians arent negroid

>>2501923
I don't get it, what's so special about this city in your picture. Looks pretty basic. Am I supposed to be impressed that Nogs could even create any kind of societal organization at all?

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>>2501934
Then you don't know the Roman history.

>>2501923
>North Nubians are similar to Upper Egyptians; about 60% eurasian. South Nubians (like modern-day South Sudanese) are negroid nilotics though.

That's wasn't Nubians back then though fucking idiot. Also the majority of Nubian development was deeper into Sudan.

>Ethiopians are like 40-50% Eurasian mixed.

What does that disqualify them?
The vast majority of Out of Africa genetics came from a group that migrated out then migrated back in later way way back before Arabs or Eurasia was a thing and they have no traces of that Out of Africa group outside of the Horn.

>>2501920
It's still standing so I don't know why mud really matters.

>>2501941
If you use negroid you are pretty much a joke. No one uses that term anymore because it falls to any scrutiny.

>>2501941
Looks like a nigger to me. A cute negress but a nigger nonetheless.

>>2501937
>Most of those "civilizations" are so primitive and their borders so undefined that they are denoted by fucking ellipticals
Not helping your point by saying "Oh I THINK this is where they lived. Not that I'd know because they never even invented a written language with which to record such things!"

>>2501954
It's like when anything good or just decent or okay about Africa definition of blackness of African is narrow as fuck but when it's bad it's as wide as can be?

>>2501934
Except that's not what happened with the Nubians either. They built their own fairly impressive civilization with its own culture and several different kingdoms, one of which was powerful enough even to conquer and rule Egypt. They built plenty of pyramids and other structures that still cover the area today as well. They were strongly influenced by Ancient Egypt and adapted many aspects of its culture, sure, but that's no different from what the Romans took from the Etruscans and Greeks. You have no absolutely idea what you're talking about.

>>2501953
>Romans conquered
>This equates to asking for gibs like niggers do
If Bantu took over South Africa and then proceeded to actually carry on the torch of civilization that Boers created, it would be a whole different story. But no, you can clearly see that South Africa today is on the brink of collapse and that if the few remaining Whites leave the Blacks will go back to running around with cowhide shields and spears

>>2501955
Because it is a lowly, ugly material that only is used by primitives who are unable to create the mines and quarries necessary to cut stone and mine metal. It is the same reason that no one praises ancient Germanic mud-huts, because they show only a basic, primitive form of civilization

>>2501294
What about Mali?

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>>2501981
>moving the goalpost
We're talking about ancient Nubians in Egypt, tho.

>>2501995
I like those geman mudhuts, they look comfy. In a hot enviornment its a practical building material.

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>>2501954
>That's wasn't Nubians back then though fucking idiot. Also the majority of Nubian development was deeper into Sudan.
Kushites werent Nubian? That's news to both me and wiki.

>What does that disqualify them?
Because they themselves have always strongly contrasted themselves from negroid populations whom they called "barya". To call Ethiopia or Aksum "black african" is a complete anachronism which is why afrocentrism is retarded. Though nowadays, diaspora ethiopians have assimilated into black or pan-african culture out of identity crisis, thats a completely modern phenomenon. If you ask any middle aged or elderly ethiopian, they will tell you the same thing. im ethnically eritrean myself and its the same story with us.

>>2501960
Its not applicable genetically, buts its applicable in terms of phenotype.

>>2501995
And to add to that, no the Great Mosque really isn't still standing. It was reconstructed by the French in the early 1900's, and like that other Anon said, it has to be repaired every year lest it falls down. If I recall correctly, there is even a festival every year when the locals repair it.

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>>2501995
>lowly
To you
>ugly
To you

In case you haven't noticed, nobody is praising mudhuts. Look dude, I know you need to feel superior to someone but try to argue like an adult.

t. Nigerian

>>2501999
Alright, the dynasties run by the Nubians were largely detrimental to Egypt. Furthermore, there seems to be nothing going on with the Nubians after this escapade. They might create a few more tiny little pyramids, but they fall back into nigger obscurity. Thus, they don't really have much of worth to their civilization other than mup da doo diddaing into Egypt.

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>>2501999
>nubians looked like nigerians
lol thats complete fantasy. pic related is art from a tomb which dates to Kushite Kingdom found in Sudan. Its the royal family.

>>2501981
>dumbass mixes up Boers and Afrikaners

>>2502015
But they certainly are, because The Great Mosque is a mudhut; it is made out of mud, and this is a fact. And please explain, since you seem to so heartily disagree with me, for what reason do YOU find mud buildings not to be ugly? do they make you reminisce about your own lowly Nigerian history?

>>2502027
Boers helped expand the modern borders of Africa by their trekking, no? They certainly are considered a part of the White South Africans, are they not?
And yes, I am well aware that Boer means "Farmer", in that case it was my mistake to consider the two interchangeable

>>2502004
Because negroid also falls phenotypically as well.
Let me ask you who's the true Negroid. that is who is the Negro that all other blacks are just -oids of

>>2502034
It's not just the mud. It literally looks like something a child could have built in a sandbox.

>>2502002
But there are objectively better materials to use, especially for insulation, if your civilization has the means with which to create them. Stucco, for example, is very good for that
t. Arizonan

>>2502004
>Because they themselves have always strongly contrasted themselves from negroid populations whom they called "barya"

Because to the rest of the world we are still fucking Black you delusional fuck. It's like if some brown as fuck Latino manlet says he's of Euro-descent, he may be pretty Euro vs the guys near him but compared to the rest he's just a short brown manlet.

>>2502049
Yes, exactly. Maybe it is not so much that they use mud as a material, but they just slap it onto the building like savages. Many other historical civilizations indeed used mud to build, but by God at least they had the brain cells to at least cook the damn mud into bricks first.

>>2502017
>A successful state eventually collapsed
So just like any other state. I mean, if you don't like Rome as an example, take Macedonia, it doesn't even have Pyramids, they don't really have much of worth to their civilization other than mup da doo diddaing into Persia. Literally, all the Macedonians did was to destroy the great civilization, only to be destroyed by Romans soon afterwards. Still, I guess you'd consider Macedonians a significant nation.

>>2502054
Why are you trying to make some sort of Pan-African argument? To my knowledge there is no real over-arching black identity, other than "Fuckin whitey colonized us and sheeeiiit"
No one considers Latinos "white" because they very clearly have Amerindian blood (and copious amounts of it too) in their veins, and as well the Latinos' culture departs a good deal from European culture.

>>2501365

Their greatest achievement is a fucking sandcastle?

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>>2502054
>he defines himself by how the rest of the world sees him
kekity. You can assimilate into pan-african fantasy and tell your black-american buddies what they want to hear if you want to. Keep dreaming about an "Africa" that never was. But I choose to identify myself as our ancestors always have.

>>2502043
Because the Eoer states were farming states with little else to them except for mining in one and even then it had such a low population that immigration became an issue to them. Britain did all the real developing for South Africa after it was united and the Afrikaner NP implemented it's own polices and development when it split. Boers were a notable group but political power and development wise minor because in the NP's case they used the fact that SA had a bunk as fuck allocation in it's system so that rural votes had much more power then urban votes like the U.S has.

>>2501379
>architecture inspired by white people
>most of it built by white people or shitskins trained by whites

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>>2502079
>To my knowledge there is no real over-arching black identity,
the words "black" and "African" are themselves European constructs. Thats what these Afrocentric fools don't understand. Its sad that so many of my own people have become deluded into this ideology. t.Ethiopian

>>2502076
>Calling me ignorant of history
>Ignorant himself of the vast impact that the importation of Hellenic culture brought to the "Known World" of the time
Rome collapsing is not so bad because we can clearly see the Italians jumped right back into the civilization game again after that, unlike niggers, who fell and then stayed down.

>>2501440
wow what kind of aquaducts did they use for plumbing?

>>2502045
Answer me.

>>2501562
>look they controlled some land
>they're great
What else did they do?
The Huns controlled large parts of Europe and did fuckall otherwise.

>>2502082
>>2502093

How does Ethiopians identifying as Red make them any less African then the rest of Africa or their feats and achievements not African.

>>2502083
Thanks m8

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ITT: Goal post moving.

>Africa never had a civilization

Egypt and Carthage.

>Sub-Saharan Africa never had a civilization

Nubia, D'mt and Axum.

>"Negroids" never had a civilization

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nok_culture

>>2501451
>Gondor

We wuz Middle Earth n sheeit

>>2501440
>Ay-AYOOOOOOO WE WUZ KANGZ AND SHEEEIIIT B4 WHITEY STOLE OUR MOJOO MUH FUGGA
Well they clearly didn't have the kind of civilization you seem to be chimping about when it mattered (aka: 16th to 20th centuries) else whitey wouldn't have though so poorly of niggers like they did.

>>2502110
>>2502110
>African
The word itself is anachronistic and has no meaning outside of geography. see
>>2502093

Its like if I were an Pakistani and tried to claim the Japanese as a fellow "Asian" civilization. Yes, we share a geographic continent but there is no cultural connection whatsoever. Ethiopians and Nigerians are as different from each other as either are to Latinos. All of this is primarily a tool for African-Americans to latch on to civilizations that they had nothing to do with like Egypt and Aksum.

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>>2502119
ITT: Blacks try to defend their stunning sand castle culture

>>2501451
It's Gondar, isn't it? Might want to make that distinction before you attract mem-
Oh, too late

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>>2502133

>>2502140
>Snowniggers vs niggers
wew

>>2502119
There is nothing wrong with this. If African-Americans and blacks want to claim civilizations, then they should limit themselves to West and Central Africa. Mali, Songhai, Ashanti and others are truly black civilizations. When they claim something like Egypt, they just look foolish

>>2502017
Nubian civilization had existed since about 2000 BC and lasted until the 4th century as the Kingdom of Kush (only after being conquered by another black power, Axum), was relatively prosperous and wealthy for most of its history, built many impressive pyramids and monuments, and was powerful enough to conquer and rule one of the major powers and greatest civilizations of ancient history. But none of that matters, because it's evident at this point that you're so determined to hate niggers that evidence won't get through to you regardless. Your initial argument that they were savages who only ever achieved civilization by invading Egypt; when that was very easily refuted by anyone with even a cursory knowledge of the subject, you shifted the goalpost to simply say they were unimpressive/unremarkable and did nothing after, with the first point being untrue in any objective and relative consideration, and the second point being both unsupported and moot even if true, because all great powers fall. There's no point in arguing with you because you already have your conclusion, and any new information you'll find a way to twist to support it.

Not to mention that essentially your entire argument in this post is based on your own ignorance of what Nubian civilization accomplished, which you somehow take to be evidence that they did nothing. Because if you didn't hear about or read anything, then it must not have happened, right? You're a joke.

>>2502119
>Sub-Saharan Africa never had a civilization
They had a bare minimum kind of civilization, when they had any at all; nothing at all comparable to Rome or China or Persia, etc
If niggers admitted they had an inferior past (and present for that matter) to Europeans and other races, then no one would give them as much shit. But as long as niggers try to claim they had an equal to or greater than past to the other races, they are going to eat those words

>>2502119
Cultures aren't civilisations and "Africa" is almost always shorthand for sub Saharan Africa unless discussing geology. Ancient Carthage and Egypt were Mediterranean civilisations, not black African.

>>2501469
Calm down cato.

>>2502148
Stop taking Hoteps seriously.

>>2502132

Dumb nigger you used Negroid don't bitch to me about using erroneous terms.

Ethiopia is in Africa and it's genetics is Africa so it's an African civilization due to it's location. What part of this does this not reach you. I'm not saying for you to fuck a Nigerian and wear a daishiki I'm just saying that Ethiopia and Nubia were both parts of civilizations that took place in Africa and should be considered part of it.

We call Rome a European civilization or a Mediterranean what makes Ethiopia so special that it can't be called "African".

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>>2502017
The 25th dynasty is widely recognized as a period of prosperity by academia

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>>2502149
nubians and aksumites are 60% and 50% eurasian genetically. Even culturally, ethiopians have never identified themselves as black and actually held what they called "baryas" in low esteem as slaves.

See Kushites royal family art here
>>2502023

pic related is north-sudanese girl; close approximation of what kushites looked like as is corroborated by the art.

>>2502162
By this logic Greece and Rome aren't white Europe but Mediterraneans, and the real white Europeans, north of Alpes, remained savage place without civilization until they were conquered and subdued by the superior Mediterranean race.

>>2502062
The mosque of djenne is made of fired straw bricks. The plastering is simple mud.

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>>2502201
Sauce?

All the Ethiopians in university call themselves black

>>2502186
>Ethiopia is in Africa and it's genetics is Africa so it's an African civilization due to it's location.
And location is irrelevant. You're projecting a 21st century concept of "Africa" to a time and place that had no such concept. Again, see my Pakistani vs. Japanese example. I question the use of the term "Africa" all together. Its a useless word that misleads.

>We call Rome a European civilization or a Mediterranean what makes Ethiopia so special that it can't be called "African".
Easy. The reason Greece and Rome are called "European" is because their culture (The greco-roman world) formed the foundation of what would later become European culture. There are clear links between Greek philosophy and Roman administration/politics to our modern-day political system and philosophy. Christianity itself came out of the Greco-Roman world. That's why Europeans have idolized the Ancient Greeks and Romans for centuries; because they considered themselves to be the cultural descendants of those civilizations.

There is no such link in terms of Africa when we talk about Ethiopians, Egyptians and Nigerians and especially African-Americans.

>>2502197
>(((Academia)))

Does it have anything to do with jews trying to push their pet nigs?

I dont know.

>>2502225
Yes, modern-day Ethiopians assimilate into black culture and identity. But thats a modern phenomenon. My grandmother would laugh you out of the room if you called her black.

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>>2502246

>>2502246
Academia is run by the alt right.

>>2502246
>muh jew

Thanks for finally admitting that you lost and don't have an argument, /pol/.

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>>2502225
>Sauce?
this is what Ancient Ethiopians thought about negroes

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>>2502269
I hope this is bait

>>2502269
Not yet. I'm only just starting my long march

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>>2501440
There are Cities in Europe since the 7th 6th millenium, like Choirokoitia (perhas calling it a city isn't that correct, it ocupies 3 hectareas) or Sesklo (this one could have about 5.000 people living in it at his peak, with rests of domesticated animals like goats,pigs,dogs and sheep plus wheat and barley), with stone foundations and adobe/mudbrick or wook walls and the rest.

>>2502201
North Sudanese are extremely arabised though anon.

>>2502186
>it's genetics is Africa
Actually no, ethiopians are 40-50% eurasian depending on the ethnic group. So thats incorrect

>>2502237
Because what other term can we use for the continent that is Africa? You want to use Negroid or Sub-Sahara instead which are even worse?

Do you consider Swahili African?

>>2502321
post your source.

>>2502322
Let me rewrite that what do you consider Swahili people as?

>>2502303
>we wuz kangs

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>>2502318
Contrary to popular belief, arabization throughout MENA was mostly cultural; not very much genetic. Pic-related is Coptic Egyptian girl; 0% arab mixture. Not too different from general population.

>>2501379
>Don't have the technology or brains to build with bricks and mortar
>dig

>>2502303
There were definitely settlements and cultures, but I'm not sure to what extent they could really be classified as cities.

>>2502337
Sudanese Arabs have Very heavy arab admixture because Arabs married into and mixed among Nubian society over centuries until it Islamic and became Arab.

>>2502149
Hahaha, wow, you are really getting into this, aren't you? My point from the very beginning (though it might not have been very evident to you) is that even though they might have WUZ, they clearly IS'NT nowadays. You also keep on saying "great" and "impressive", which is very subjective (especially since I assume you, or someone you must agree with ranted how I was wrong for subjectively saying that the Great Mosque is "primitive" and "bad")
It really doesn't matter how great a civilization Nubians had in the past, since they clearly forgot the lessons of that civilization and revered to savagery. When OP was asking his question, he must have assumed they did not have any civilizations, because the expectation is that you build off of the lessons of your ancestors (cultural or genetic) to create an even greater civilization that the one they had (Which Europeans, and Chinese, and Japanese, etc did so don't give that "Huuurr all great powers collapse" bullshit) If Africans when Europeans found them were by and large tribal savages, then it follows that they cannot claim ancestry from a previous great civilization, since, if they did, then they would have built on that civilization, rather than become savages again.
Great Powers collapse, civilizations do not (unless the people are completely wiped out, like with the Americas). Rome is not dead, because Rome lives on in Western civilization; Northern europeans were not Romanz and shit, but they certainly modeled their civilization in memory of it.

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>>2502331
>post your source.
https://arxiv.org/abs/1307.8014

Disregard "Afar". Full explanation here:

>http://anthromadness.blogspot.com/2015/07/horn-africans-mixture-between-east.html

In addition, Aksum was very much culturally Arabian anyway and had strongest ties and influences from South Arabia.

>>2502331
>Let me rewrite that what do you consider Swahili people as?
Swahili. Nothing more, nothing less. Ethiopians are Ethiopians. Swahili are Swahili. Nigerians are Nigerians.

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>>2502334
I doubt any European isn't blood related to any of the thousands cultures, tribes or kingdoms upper levels, so to us it doesn't mean shit unless you get with that a fat title with lands and propiety with it desu.
>>2502351
Well, it could be considered a city in Medieval times, or well sized village today. But then any city below a million is barely considered a big city in china so it all depends of your canons for what you define a Urban center.

>>2502206
Which Mosque though, the French reconstruction, or the original? Now I'm just asking, I actually don't know how the original was made

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>>2502354
no they don't. "Arab" in the modern sense only refers to people who speak Arabic. Throughout the Muslim conquests, countless peoples were "arabized" culturally speaking but contrary to popular belief, there was not that much mixture.Not enough to significantly change their appearance/phenotype. Pic related is Kushite bust, long before Islamic conquest. Looks identical to modern-day north Sudanese.

>>2502140
what is that on the right?

>>2502355
>It really doesn't matter how great a civilization Nubians had in the past, since they clearly forgot the lessons of that civilization and revered to savagery.

You could make this claim about Egypt. Read about what Egypt was like when Napoleon barged in. Hell, when the Arabs came nobody could even speak the Egyptian language nor could they tell the Arabs who built the Pyramids or monuments. It's like Egypt never existed. Everything we now know was excavated by the French/British

>>2502423
on the left i mean

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>>2502355
>If Africans when Europeans found them were by and large tribal savages, then it follows that they cannot claim ancestry from a previous great civilization, since, if they did, then they would have built on that civilization, rather than become savages again.
I'm not him but there are two things wrong here.
You seem to operate from a savage-civilized binary. When Europeans came, West Africa was certainly several tiers above primitive savagery. Secondly, it seems that you're unaware that colonialism destroyed much of the continent. Its current state cannot be discussed without knowing that.

and for the record, im the anti-afrocentric eritrean here

>>2501923
They're Sub-saharan daft

>>2502426
>Hell, when the Arabs came nobody could even speak the Egyptian language
ok thats not accurate; they spoke Coptic which is a descendant of the Egyptian language.

>nor could they tell the Arabs who built the Pyramids or monuments
sauce?

Though your point still stands in terms of the overall disconnect between modern and ancient Egypt.

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>>2502287
>>2502287
All those guys were likely already gay or trans.The women are just feminists following that punk/rebel trend look these days.

>>2501305
>a semitic middle eastern nation
>a roman colony

Africans never developed a strong notion of morality or fairness because they lived in a land where your ability to survive was based purely on how much food you could acquire. Most other civilizations developed in places where winter meant that if you were a lazy/agressive/thieving cunt and got thrown out of your tribe/village you'd die of exposure out on your own. Africans could just wander around and rape women

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>>2502140

Sure thing buddy.

>>2502446
>Secondly, it seems that you're unaware that colonialism destroyed much of the continent.
Oh that's just hogwash. Colonialism brought innumerable advances to Africa, propelling them from whatever Iron-Age they were in to the Modern Era that Europeans themselves created. Many other parts of the world (all of them in fact) were colonized by Europeans, and none of them are in as sorry a state as Africa. For God's sake Africa was only colonized for what, 70 years? India was Britain's bitch for FAR longer, and they are much better off, even to the point of having a space agency with much success. Singapore was in fact created as a colony, and they are one of the most remarkable nations on this earth, despite being little more than a city-state. If you want to say that any aspect of colonialism destroyed Africa, it would be decolonization, since Euros left Africa in such a hurry.
My point is, other people colonizing your people is No excuse for your people to revert to such savagery, as can be seen with the Congolese engaging in cannibalism with Pygmies. Of course, I'd assume you would blame that on Leopold II instead.

>>2502351

> There were definitely settlements and cultures, but I'm not sure to what extent they could really be classified as cities.

Dude, the largest city on Earth for 800 years before Uruk was in Europe during the 4th millenium BC.

Europe had cities with over 10 000 people before writing even began.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Settlements_of_the_Cucuteni%E2%80%93Trypillian_culture

>>2502426
You are correct, this idea would not only apply to Africa. Indeed ANY people who spit on the work of their ancestors and revert to the savagery their forefathers fought to escape should be scorned.

>>2502091
thats not true in any way

>>2502355
So let me get this straight.

Argument 1: they were primitive savages that only ever had civilization due to conquering the Egyptians

Argument 2: Okay, they may have had their own civilization, but it wasn't very impressive

Argument 3: Alright, their civilization may or may not have been impressive, but it didn't have a lasting influence, therefore it's irrelevant

Do you not see how you're shifting the goalposts here? What you're arguing now is so far removed from your original argument that I'm not even sure what the subject of this discussion is anymore.

Anyway, if we're talking in terms of the OP's question, then my only argument is that Africa has had great civilizations in the past, not necessarily that modern Africans can claim ancestry from itZ I'm not sure how what you're saying really refutes that.

Also, are you saying that something isn't a civilization just because it collapses? Not only does that seem like a made-up and arbitrary definition, but you seem to have a double standard when it comes to Nubia and Egypt in this regard, especially since the latter doesn't seem like it'd be included in your definition of "civilization."

>>2502591
>Colonialism brought innumerable advances to Africa, propelling them from whatever Iron-Age they were in to the Modern Era that Europeans themselves created.
First of all, you're glossing over the violence and subjugation. Secondly, it was too much, too fast which is why its in the state that its in. Thought experiment: What if colonial Europeans time traveled and colonized the Europeans of the early middle ages? How would that work out for them?

>Many other parts of the world (all of them in fact) were colonized by Europeans, and none of them are in as sorry a state as Africa

Yes and they're all worse. You do know that colonialism is the cause of much of the strife and conflict in the world today right? What do you think of the middle east?

>>2502282
>ancient Ethiopians

>Amharic

You know so little it hurts

Ancient Ethiopians spoke Ge'ez this is modern Ethiopia which speaks Amharic

Like how Romans spoke Latin not Italian

>>2502552
Source?

>>2502656
kek yeah I realized the word "ancient" was iffy after I posted. Aksumites spoke Ge'ez, Ethiopians have spoken amharic since like the 12th century. there is evidence that Aksumites distinguished between "red" and "black" people but references are vaguer. Much more explicit in later era Ethiopians.

>>2502475
Coptic mainly derives from Late Egyptian, which itself does not come completely from Middle Egyptian, forget old Egyptian. And it uses an alphabet derived mostly from Greek with only some Egyptian characters. This is why without the Rosetta Stone, hieroglyphs would have remained mostly unintelligible

https://doernenburg.alien.de/alternativ/pyramide/pyr07_e.php

>>2502605
Don't be an edgelord.

>>2502395
They do though check their fucking DNA.

>>2502649
Because it is very clear that OP was actually saying "Why are niggers shit?"
I am saying that it doesn't not matter how much of KANGZ the Africans were, since they clearly have regressed from then. It is fine to discuss what was going on in Africa way back when, but we should not relate those civilizations to Africans in the Modern Era, since the latter Negros clearly never advanced too far from those later civilizations, or even regressed since then.
To your second pont, that was a response to people responding various African kingdoms to OP's query of "Why has Africa never produced any Great civilizations?" not "Were there any civilizations in Africa at all?" So your second point does not make any sense, since what you say my argument is was still within the boundaries of Op's question. If you list a certain kingdom as being great, you need to say WHY it was great; what did it DO to be great?
To the third point, yes, that is very much the criteria of relevant/irrelevant. Rome would be interesting, but IRRELEVANT to the modern world if Europeans never built off of it and were tribals when the Chinese eventually found them. A civilization's relevance rests on how it affected the world during and after it fell. Those African Kingdoms that were listed did not seem to really influence anything after they fell, so yes, they are irrelevant.
Finally, you are wrong in your interpretation of the last point. A Great Power is NOT a civilization. there is a reason that the Great Powers of Great Britain, France, Germany, etc. are all regarded as being withing Western Civilization (which also includes Rome and Greece as the founders). All the Dynasties of China reside withing Chinese civilization, all the Arabic Caliphates and Sultanates reside within Islamic civilizations.

>>2502360
Nigerians and Ethiopia are artificial constructs though.

Why would you use those but saying African triggers you?

>>2502784
So now you are concerned about now when the mainpoint was about the past primarily?

>>2501640
They did not keep up with the daily sacrifices to the sun god

>>2502355
>Rome is not dead, because Rome lives on in Western civilization


It's been dead for ages anon every is just romaboos who make claims to being successor to the roman state to make a claim of legitmacy.

>>2502653
Violence and subjugation happened to ALL peoples, numbskull. Don't try to pin the shortcomings of your own people on some evil Whitey boogeyman. Colonization was not a zero-sum game. Whites subjugating colonial subjects does not cancel out the innumerable advances that they introduced to Africa.
>You do know that colonialism is the cause of much of the strife and conflict in the world today right?
There's your fucking boogeyman again. This is on the same level as people say "The Jews are why I'M not successful!" Do you seriously think that non-whites don't have any self-agency, and that they are all winded like clockwork toys into doing shit that the Europeans wind them into doing? If people are killing each other, it's not because the White Man is whispering into their ear telling them to do so, it's because they fucking want to kill each other.

>>2502718
Please explain how that is edgy. Why should people have sympathy for being so shortsighted and selfish?

>>2502802
Rephrase that please

>>2502816
Not to mention that the claim to Rome was in regards to claiming papacy due to the Papacy's power, being the seat of the church and much more. It's like how States or places claim to be the caliphate or the one true caliphate

>>2502816
>Hurr Durr civil law totally wasn't invented in Rome or anything
0/10

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>>2502789
You're right, they are but they at least somewhat accurate designations. Ethiopians = Amhara, Tigrayna, Oromo, etc.. Nigerians= Yoruba, Igbo, Hausa, etc...These are organic and self-described categories that reflect groups cultural and genetic ties. "African" means nothing except that they are on that giant continent Europeans later called Africa.

>>2502850

>You're right, they are but they at least somewhat accurate designations. Ethiopians = Amhara, Tigrayna, Oromo, etc.. Nigerians= Yoruba, Igbo, Hausa, etc...These are organic and self-described categories that reflect groups cultural and genetic tiesd

Ethiopia is tied with being Habesha anon. The other groups are ignored and neglected Ethiopia is a Habesha nation first and foremost and everyone knows this.

Nigeria is an artificial construct. If you aren't one of those 3 your group is irrelevant and nothing pretty much since those 3 control the power and money. On top of that there's very wide as fuck differences between the groups for both nations genetically, culturally and religiously and both were formed through seizing territory (Ethiopia was a continental power as well and engaged in getting land) and conquering others (well Nigeria was another power doing it and Nigeria was formed with littl consideration for the locals whatever).

>>2502931
Hell Oromo aren't even Habesha and they are protesting shitty treatment+abuse by the Ethiopian government which is Tigray domianted.

>>2502819
>innumerable advances that they introduced to Africa.

What advances. List them

>>2502931
Yes thats true. To that point, Habesha would be a better term than Ethiopian for those groups. As far as other parts of Africa (and I use the term geographically), when we factor in the effects of colonial meddling and border-drawing, it gets messier.

>>2502939
>Oromo
they should be genocided or kicked out. they literally take up valuable space and do nothing. I dont blame the government for seizing their land.

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I'm still trying to understand why the albinos think that they're God's gift to the earth and not just some genetic fluke like they actually are. Egypt alone has contributed more to humanity than Scandinavia ever has or will. I'm baffled how a group of fucking lepers convinced themselves AND the rest of the world that they're the ones to think for creating modern civilization.

>>2502960
Well other than the fact that I fucking said innumerable, okay:
>Electricity
>Electronics
>Automobile
>Steam Power
>Actual anything-worthy boats
>planes
>paved roads
>Probably agricultural ideas like crop-rotation
>Artificial fertilizer
>Contraceptives \
> These two are responsible for much of the African population growth
>Golden Rice /
>Computers
>Telephones
>Radios
>Gunpowder Weaponry
>Synthetic clothing materials
>Plumbing and Sewerage
>Running water
>heating systems and cooling systems
>Enlightenment thought (limited acceptance though)
>Modern Education
Again innumerable, I don't want to be typing all night

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>>2503019
>Great Scandinavian architecture

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>Master race

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>WE WUZ DA ROMANZ N SHIEEET

>>2503051

what a quaint finnish family

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Well @realDonaldTrump, at least I will go down as a president!

Ooga booga if if if uhh uhh ahh ahh if if if if

Okie doke!

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>WE WUZ ALSO THE RENAISSANCE N SHIEEEET

>>2503019

wouldn't expect any less from a missing link like you m8

>>2502202
that's true

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>>2503072

>>2503077

those facial features are all wrong

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>Another piece of "Great" masterace architecture

>>2503029
The people never actually got any of those at all though

Also the computer as we know it was not invented by the time of independance.

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>>2503083
>Missing link
Why do you talk about your mother like that, ably?Don't worry. You'll be bread back into the recesses of the gene pool soon enough.

>>2502975
So all those Nigerians and Ethiopians are just an artificial construct as well since in Ethiopia's case Habesha are still very diverse, have different religions and political/economic power alongside different contact with each other and relations.

>>2503108
That woman makes me hard. Black girls are top tier.

>>2503103
and whenb I mean any of those I mean either

-they never got its
-extremely limited so basically never got it
-It was there....but Black couldn't really take advantage of it due to colony policy or it was so shit because "lol Missionary funded education can totally work".

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>>2503088
No, they're "superior" albino genetics.

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>>2501294
Ethiopia

>>2503118

those look like a lower evolved form of man now that I can see the features plainly

no wonder you lot are dark

>>2503076
>Ooga booga if if if uhh uhh ahh ahh if if if if

/pol/ when their info graphs stop working.

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>>2503019
>. Egypt alone has contributed more to humanity than Scandinavia ever has or will

One drunk Danish professor contributed more to humanity in twenty years than Egypt has done in all of its existence.

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>>2503141
With the knowledge formally established by earlier civilizations. Your point? >>2503123
Godspeed, Ahmed. Put these abominations back where they belong.

>>2503110
dont overstate your case. Every form of categorization is a construct that falls short of a perfectly accurate model of reality. Some constructs are more or less accurate and/or useful than others.

>>2503159
>With the knowledge formally established by earlier civilizations
He invented a new field of physics, and proved "knowledge" established by earlier civilizations wrong. So get wrecked Shrek!

>>2503171
>Established by earlier civilizations

Exactly, your point? You alright alby? Did you stay out in sun too long. Hang, on. Let me get you a cow to suck on.

>>2501328
WE WUZ THINKERS N SHEIT

>>2503189
Man niggers ruin everything.

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>W-w WE WUZZZ ALSO JEWISH

>>2501640
mostly this
>>2502809

but probably also the cold
>see: Scandinavia

>>2503196
That's a funny way to spell albino. Nice argument. Where are your infographs /pol/? Without them you don't have anything.

>>2503160
That anon preferring those two ones over African and going on an Ironically calling me Afro-centric is pretty silly.

>>2503114
Boohoo pretty much. Europeans introduced Africans to a world they could only have dreamed of

>>2503321
How is that even a counterpoint to what I posted?
It's not even specific it's just some vague as fuck ":you should be glad because I said" so kind of thing?

You didn't even contest my point hell in >>2503029
you said many things that didn't exist in Europe pr American during the colonial years

>>2501314
>great zimbabwe
AHAHAHAAHA you can't make this shit up

Anon, a black man from a great civilization created the white race.

>>2503531
HAIL YAKUB!

>>2501310
They developed civilizations. They are just a tribal civilization is all.

Africa was always sparsely populated.

With low population density, you can't have cities.

Without cities, you can't have grand architecture or even specialization of labor and your culture remains tribe-centric.

Even if you could, what would be the point of constructing a palace or temple or baths or library for the 300 people of your tribe?
A giant hut will do.

>>2503545
>They are just a tribal civilization is all.

That doesn't make sense though.
They had pretty varied types of political structures that at are beyond tribe level. They also had cities as well

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>>2501314
>Great Zimbabwe
>a few stone granaries encircled by a wall
Wow, random Sardinians were doing the same shit 4000 years ago.

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>>2503141
>>2503160
He was Jewish, goy.

>>2503652
>Edward Teller in the same group as those other guys

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>>2503628
Well of course Africa did have cities and does have cities.

But I think OP is really asking why Africa wasn't divided up into neighboring kingdoms, empires, nations similarly to Asia and Europe.

And the reason for that is because most of Africa was too sparsely populated. Probably because agricultural technology was only recently transmitted to that part of the world.

Most populations all around the world had knowledge of agriculture transmitted to it. There are only a handful of civilizations that originated agriculture (pic related), half of which are effectively extinct.

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>>2503096
Whitey ultimately BTFO!

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>>2501310
because sub-Saharan Africa sucks, shit's cut off from most of the world by a fuckhuge desert, and then loads of it is dry as a nun or as wet 'n' dirty as a Sao Paulo skank.

Just my two cents though.

>>2501563
Because niggers are more approprate on animal planet than in discussions about civilization.

>>2503907
Yet those fuckers in that pic are from New Guinea

>>2502201
That is still a nigger.

>>2503907
And there's no reason to try to get beyond the desert, since you're well aware that everyone over there would rather sell you into slavery than let you pass
one probably gets the idea that everyone beyond they just wants to fuck with you, so you fuck off.

>>2502337
Still a shitskin

>>2504267
How about you fuck off and know what a bait thread is.

>>2501320
No one except for bumfuck San people were stone age by 200BC in Africa. I'll give you Iron Age though.

>>2501934
You just described Germanics.

>>2501941
There are black women in America who look exactly like that. Are they not "negroid" either? Because black Americans are anywhere between 15 and 30% Caucasian.

>>2501995
>who are unable to create the mines and quarries necessary to cut stone and mine metal.

http://www.unesco.org/new/en/media-services/single-view/news/the_origins_of_iron_metallurgy_in_africa/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_metallurgy_in_Africa

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_archaeology

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper_metallurgy_in_Africa

The meme that Africans were Stone Age fags until Europeans came needs to fucking die right now.

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>>2502004
I have question for you. Which one is Nubian?

>>2502093
>some dumbass 64 IQ Ethiopian thinks he's better than the rest of Africa because he's a mutt

Nice try Habesha trash. Go to Europe and let them decide who you really belong to.

>>2501294
Because white people stole a permanently crippling amount of its most valuable resource (human beings).

>>2501294
It has.

If you're really asking why Africa wasn't the source of recent technological advancements and industrialization, then the answer likely is geography. Eurasia, being a wide continent -- as opposed to tall -- allowed for new technology and innovations to travel far both east and west and still be usable.

>>2504533
Haha nerd Europeans had a fraction of the Sub-saharan slave market and for a very short period.

You want to bitch at the Arabs who just castrated African slaves and called it good.

>>2504537
I think the Saharan desert is likely the most critical geographic feature to describe Sub-saharan lack of advancement.

It was a huge barrier.

>>2504480

> There are black women in America who look exactly like that.

Yes, because they are a product of two centuries of white masterdicking.

>>2503907
>posting a literal different race closer to Asians than Africans

>>2504265
>>2504276
Samefag?

>>2504557
I just said that they were mixed cretin. And if you think ol' Massa's dickings made black Americans mixed, look at mulatto and Black Latin Americans. Many of them could easily pass for East African, and that's not even getting to the ones with very dark skin but the same skull of a stereotypical European (it's mainly mainlander Cubans where I see that from) The only exceptions are Haitians, as they killed most of their white people, but even they aren't pure West African.

>>2504538
>Haha nerd Europeans had a fraction of the Sub-saharan slave market and for a very short period.


Actually they took out nearly the same amount over a much smaller period of time.

>>2504572

> look at mulatto and Black Latin Americans

You moron they were also white masterdicked for 200-300 years.

> The only exceptions are Haitians

Who also got white masterdicked.

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>>2501294
they didn't have wild horses, donkeys. All they'd got was a bunch of zebras that bite their dicks off when they try to ride them.
they didn't have wheat, rice or corn. they'd got yams or some other shitty crops.
finally they were all niggers so all the surplus went to prisons, bling and hoes.
at least they didn't pay child support, so they used that money to build some mid-tier cities.

>>2504778
That's literally what I said. I never said people of African descent weren't mixed in Latin America, re-read my comment. Even the seemingly pure Haitians have non-black ancestry in them, mostly European.

Reading comprehension anon.

>>2504880
>they didn't have wild horses, donkeys.
>The Nubian Wild Ass is native to Africa and is the species donkeys directly descende from

Really?

>>2501569
snownigger cumskin BTFO

>>2501294
>culture
Cult-ure is doing the same stupid as ignorant ancestors, without thought, mindlessly.
>or civilization?
I have to wonder where you see this civility on earth? The masses in every country don't have it.

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>>2503640
Sardinians had actually much better masonry than Zimbabweans, pic related is a Nuragic temple which was built to predict an astronomic phenomenon with incredible accuracy

"The Nuraghic well of Santa Cristina, Sardinia has been regarded as a ritual monument built to receive moonlight on its watermirror at the time of the meridian passage of the moon when it reaches its highest point in the sky during and around the majornorthern lunistice. In this paper we investigate the precision that could have been achieved and conclude that the well couldindeed have served as an instrument for measuring the lunar declination during half of the draconic cycle of 18.61 years"

http://www.academia.edu/2336031/The_nuragic_well_of_Santa_Cristina_Paulilatino_Oristano_Sardinia._A_verification_of_the_astronomical_hypothesis

>>2501374
WE

>>2503212
>America
>cold
You what? Half of the US is warmer than anything in Europe.

>>2507569
So basically medieval nigger "great civilization" is easily bested by some mid bronze age illiterate islanders.

>>2508154
Yes, Zimbabweans were illitteral as well by the way, well Nuragics had their weight system nd numeric system at least, I don't know about Zimbabweans, also late Nuragics adopted the Phoenician alphabet later on and apparently altered it

>>2507569
>>2508178
It's not fair to compare Sub-Saharans to Meds. Do it with some other backwater European group like Slavs, Balts and Scandinavians.

>>2501314
>Mali
Arabs
>Nubia
Egyptian larpers
>Great Zimbabwe
Dude a circle of rocks lmao
>Ethiopia
The only one, and even then they were pretty bad

>>2501374
>Afro-Asiatic
Arabs and Jews, not Bantu (for example) Africans.

>>2508200
Okay, so all those groups you mentioned eventually became civilized places and the latter two, as far as I know have great standards of living. The former had at least 2 (Poland and Russia) impressive powers (by European standards). So, no, even backwater Europeans still manage to not suck as much as Blacks

>>2509627
He meant back then anon.

>>2501294
small brains

>>2501729

but those are literally mud dwellings

Stormfront moving in. Guess they're snowed in and got nothing better to do.

There was always a flow of people (and genes) up and down the Nile. "Afro-Asiatic" is the language group that includes Tigrinya, Amharic, Ancient Egyptian, Arabic, Hebrew, and Aramaic. These people were crucial to the development of civilization, and you can't draw a clear boundary line between any of them.

In the small parts of sub-Saharan Africa where temperate crops arrived before the Age of Exploration and could grow, such as Ethiopia and the Sahel, there were kingdoms and empires that lasted a reasonable length of time. They were very small, though, so they were easily conquered.

Tropical and subtropical Africa were hunter-gatherer to a great degree until the arrival of cash crops that were desired elsewhere, such as coffee and cocoa. It was almost a break-even proposition to grow food or do hunter-gathering. The arrival of manioc from South America helped a bit.

The only place where Europeans really managed to conquer Africa was South Africa, where European crops could grow easily and so Europeans could multiply and spread easily. They never made it north in any substantial numbers.

>>2501365
The "Great" mosque of Djenne was completed in 1907

Top fucking kek.

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>>2509714
So "afro-asiatic" is the term Africans use to claim Mediterranean and Near east civilisations?
Mesopotamians, Egyptians, Semites civilisation being important to world history? no shit, of course people aren't talking about them when they said Africans have no civilisation

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>>2501294
>Why didn't Africa(....) thread

>>2509714
>Tigrinya, Amharic, Ancient Egyptian, Arabic, Hebrew, and Aramaic
Notice how only two (one really, Tigrinya is a dialect of Amharic) of those actually existed in sub-Saharan Africa?

The rest are from the Mideast or Northern Africa, and no one is denying the civilizations from there.

>>2510244
>302 replies

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>>2509627
>yfw Ukraine has a lower GDP per capita than some Black African countries

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>>2510369

>>2510369
GABON IS WHIIITE

>>2501310
Mali Empire...
Sorghum Empire...
Almohad Empire...

>>2503118
holy shit black features are truly apelike