Opium Wars

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Why are anglos viewed as the ultimate evil for poisoning the Chinese nation with opium but Mexican cartels are defended as just "satisfying a market" by kike lawyers when they poison the US?

Makes you think.

>>2494804
>from zero to jew in a single post

Dammit dude I just wanted to discuss the opium wars

>cucks
Is this word the new "autism"?

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>>2494801

More like;

BRITISH: “Hay Chinese, trade us tea for literally anything we have.”
CHINESE: “Fuck off Roundeyes, we only want silver!”
BRITISH: “But, we’re running out of silver!”
CHINESE: “LOL! Too bad.”
BRITISH: “Hmm… how about opium?”
CHINESE: “Aarrgg! You’re turning us into drug addicts!”
BRITISH: “LOL! Too bad. Ima fuck all your q.t.s too!”

The Chinese caused their own downfall by their retarded adherence of isolation.

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>>2494884
>Le Isolation meme.
Daily reminder early 19th Century China was continuing 18th Century China's policy of "trade with the French, the Dutch, the Portuguese, and the Spanish, but not with Brits since they have nothing of worth but Cotton which we already have and besides their sailors & merchants are frequent visitors of our jail cells for being drunks at port."

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>>2494892
Also the policy of "A lot of Europeans we trade with seem to be pissed off with Britain for some reason so let's follow their advice.

>>2494884

You missed the part where the British people used their military to force them to buy opium. It wasn't like they took it and then hated it. Here is a better scenario.

>British: Hey, wanna buy this opium?
>Chinese: No thanks. We have problems with that and we don't want to trade you for drugs which fucks over our society.
>British: *invades the country and uses military force to make the Chinese buy opium at gunpoint*

That's like if a drug dealer today offered you drugs, you say no, and the drug dealer then beats you to a pulp and forces you to buy and take the drugs.

I'm not one of those people who meme on Britain and the whole perfidious albion shit, but it is atrocious and indefensible shit like this that fuels the fire. What a disgrace.

>>2494923
The French did the same thing in French Indo-China with opium and alcohol.

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>>2494892
>>2494895
>>2494923

Sure China would trade, for silver;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_history_of_China_before_1912#Qing_trade

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canton_System#The_First_Opium_War

“Qing trade policy was broadly isolationist, with the Qianlong Emperor notably proclaiming that “Our land is so wealthy and prosperous that we possess all things. Therefore, there is no need to exchange the produce of foreign barbarians for our own.”

Owing to Ming loyalists like Koxinga, the regent Prince Rui resumed the ban on private foreign trade in 1647. In fact, like the Ming before it, the Qing Empire was dependent on foreign trade for the Japanese and South American silver that underpinned its monetary system, and the ban was not effective until a more severe order followed in 1661 upon the ascension of the Kangxi Emperor.

A seemingly insatiable western demand for tea from China towards the end of the 18th century caused a significant deficit in the British balance of trade. The Chinese had little interest in Western goods and would only accept silver in payment. This spurred the East India Company to sell opium grown on its plantations in India to independent traders who shipped it on to China for sale for payment in silver.

China prohibited the importation of this opium, but the traders persisted, which led to the First Opium War.The traders/British Empire won this war.”

>>2494928

Yeah. And just because France did it doesn't mean it makes Britain any less fucked up for doing it.

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>>2494923
>force them to buy opium

Absolute nonsense; is Mexico _forcing_ Americans to buy cocaine?

The Chinese government stupidly wouldn't trade for anything other then silver, but there was a huge market among the Chinese people for opium, so the European traders (not just British) sold opium to the Chinese for silver, then turned around and used the silver to buy tea, ceramics, silk, etc. from the Chinese.

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>>2494935
>>2494935
>Le meme silver.
True yes.

But based on Spanish records from the Philippines that I've read (notably the Blair and Robertson Letters- which were Spanish records and letters translated into english by a pair of American historians during the time of American rule in the Philippines), the Chinese valued the other Europeans for the bounties they brought that otherwise do not exist in China. Dutch control of Indonesia meant they had a hold on the Spice trade. Spain paid in Andean Silver, but alongside it, brought stuff the Chinks craved like Tobacco, potatoes, peanuts, and various tropical american fruits. Copra oil from the coconut fields of the Philippines was also another major selling point of Spain in China. Same as Portugal carrying shit from Brazil and Africa.


France, meanwhile, had a foot in the door of China thanks to French Jesuits being held positively in the French court. They were also memed of France as a powerful faraway Kingdom led by wealthy Kings ( a fact that Louis XIV advertised well through the Jesuits earlier in the 18th Century)

Anglos literally had nothing which interested China. Can't pay in silver, no fucking products of note. And how does Anglo history paint this snubbing? ISOLATIONISM!

>>2494892
>>2494895
>>2494975
>Start an Anglowank thread.
>Get BTFO by facts.
Every time.

>>2494975
The Brits had that cotton tho

>>2494994
So did China.
>http://www.lse.ac.uk/economicHistory/Research/GEHN/GEHNPDF/PUNEZurndorfer.pdf
>Kenneth Pomeranz' "The Great Divide." Lookitup.

Hence Chinks didn't see the point with Anglos.

reminder that the mastermind was a jew called David Sasom who stole money from the Baghdad treasury and then created a drug cartel. Basically the first narco. His son married a Rothchild too.

>>2494892
>>2494895
canton system applied to all Europeans.
>>2494923
dumbass, the british grew and sold the drug, they never forced anyone to buy anything until the second opium war. go actually read about, the drug wasn't even fully illegal. the fucking bureaucrats themselves used it. the only reason the emperor even bothered to pay attention was because he was losing money and he was worried about the military becoming populated by druggies
>>2494975
well, they had opium. And it was isolationism, the thing which directly led to the war was the closing of Canton to all europeans. The US joined briefly for exactly that reason.

>>2494804
I don't think Mexican cartels are viewed in a morally righteous way by anyone outside Chicano central and Berkely

>>2495041
>canton system applied to all Europeans.
Nope.jpg.

Spain did all their business with Chinkdom via middlemen in the Philippines.

>>2494963
>Absolute nonsense; is Mexico _forcing_ Americans to buy cocaine?

You are fucking retarded for trying to make this analogy.

The Opium War was literally the British Navy enforcing the opium trade and protecting its traders (cartels) from the Chinese government.

The better analogy is if the Mexican army invaded America and secured the transit routes and trading rights of its cartels by force.

The Mexican government and army is actively at war with the cartels. That's the opposite of the Opium wars.

>>2495041
>canton system applied to all europeans
1. Wrong.
2. Irrelevant. The canton system wasn't the only form of trade relations.

Thanks for lying. Try again!

>>2495219
>Mexican government and army is actively at war with the cartels
not at all
they are the same

>>2494801
>white people
>civilised

>>2494935
Have you read Shogun? It's his absolute best book.

>>2494801

>Why wouldn't the Quing Dynasty just take the damn opium?

because as people of respect and authority they probably had a problem with being forced into a deal that poisons their work force and screws up theyr society whyle they get nothing of value in return

generaly speaking emperors and empresess dont like to be bullied

>>2494801

Because opium is highly addictive, destructive and made the commercial balance unfavorable to China, which was enjoying a high export of tea, silk and porcelan to Europe.

>>2494804

I hope you're not comparing opium to marijuana. One of them even have large usage on medicine.

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>>2495474
>Have you read Shogun? It's his absolute best book.

I’ve read all of Clavell's semi-alt-history “Asian Saga” novels and they’re all great (that is, “Whirlwind” is just ok, as it’s set in Iran instead of East Asia like the others and just doesn’t feel right) and it’s a shame he didn’t write more because the guy wrote damn good stories and despite all his novels having dozens of characters and multiple simultaneous plot-lines, there is no confusion as to who is who or what’s going on.

Also the tv mini-series / movie adaptions of “Shogun” and “Taipan” are great and while “Noble House” is just ok, it’s still nice to see a movie adaption that sticks pretty close to the original novel.

I’d have really liked a novel set in Hong Kong / China during the 1911 Chinese Revolution revolution, where a reference in “Noble House” mentions that Sun Yat-Sen had “cashed in” one of Dirk Struan’s broken coins from the novel “Taipan”.

Publishing order:
1 King Rat (1962): Set in a Japanese POW camp in Singapore, 1945
2 Tai-Pan (1966): Set in Hong Kong, 1841
3 Shōgun (1975): Set in feudal Japan, 1600
4 Noble House (1981): Set in Hong Kong, 1963
5 Whirlwind (1986): Set in Iran, 1979
6 Gai-Jin (1993): Set in Japan, 1862

Historical order (and proper reading order);
1 Shogun
2 Taipan
3 Gai-Jin
4 King Rat
5 Noble House
6 Whirlwind

My personal ranking;
1 Taipan
2 Shogun
3 Noble House
4 Gai-Jin
5 King Rat
6 Whirlwind

>>2495474
no sorry, i don't read racist, orientalist trash

>>2496675
>everything is racist from the perspective if a white man haha

It must be a strange world you walk around in little goofball

China is a lousy rat park and that's why opium caught on, regardless of anything else.

>>2496675
Don't make me fuck your sister again Chang!

>>2494804
>Why are anglos viewed as the ultimate evil for poisoning the Chinese nation with opium but Mexican cartels are defended as just "satisfying a market" by kike lawyers when they poison the US?
literally nobody has ever held this opinion in the entire existence of mankind
fuck off /pol/

>>2494801
The Quing wanted to sell their own Opium to their own people but the Brits undercut them and forced them to buy British Opium.
Don't believe any of the bullshit propaganda about the Opium trade op.The Americans see themselves as good guys that forced the Brits to stop selling Opium to the Chinks,which is true,but, what's conveniently left out of that story is how the Americans then forced the Chinks to buy American Opium instead.

>>2494801
So queen victoria was basically the mexican drug cartel boss, but british version.

>>2495444
Depends, the military is less corrupt than the police in Mexico. Some police maybe on their payroll, but theres still killing each other.

>>2496679
white people shouldn't write books about cultures they're not a part of

>>2496783
>t. Korean/Chinese """""American""""" speaking for Japs AGAIN

Why do they keep doing this? Japanese don't want you to speak for them, little asian man.

>>2494804

First of all, the USA was a bigger cultivator of marijuana, and most people would prefer home grown, but all the old hippies got supermax life sentences, which is why the mexicans even have a market in the first place.

Most of the country is agricultural and we've allowed beaners to monopolize the most profitable crop since tobacco.

>>2496783

The man Blackthorne was based on had a greater connection to Japanese culture than you do.

>>2496788

>t. ss man pretending to be a pon to start race war

Ur dubs gave u away.

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>>2496759
>The Quing wanted to sell their own Opium to their own people but the Brits undercut them and forced them to buy British Opium.

The opium was necessary because of the official Chinese prohibition on trade for anything other then silver and Chinese merchants were happy to buy cheep Indian opium; nobody was forcing them.

Opium was quasi-legal in China; lots of people openly smoked it even though it was technically illegal and not only did the Chinese merchants make a ton of money off the opium trade, but the Emperor and imperial government took tons of taxes off the merchants, knowing full well that money came from opium.

But in the end, the British got ahold of tea seeds and started growing tea in India, so they no longer needed China for that and the British government suppressed the opium trade, though admittedly it was still a major source of money for all involved and considering the law enforcement capabilities and technology available at the time, there wasn't much that realistically could be done.

>>2496803
I'm an Asian American man who has lived the Asian American experience. I have even met many great Asian American YouTubers. Fuck you.

>>2495207
http://afe.easia.columbia.edu/main_pop/kpct/kp_ming.htm
>Under the Qianlong Emperor (1736-1795) the Western trading companies are limited to Canton (today, Guangdong) where they have contact only with officially designated Chinese firms, or hong.
https://www.library.hbs.edu/hc/heard/canton-trade.html
>All foreign trade was required to be channeled through them.
https://ocw.mit.edu/ans7870/21f/21f.027/rise_fall_canton_01/pdf/cw_essay.pdf
>Under this system, the Chinese state restricted the access of Westerners
to the interior of China
https://www.britannica.com/event/Canton-system
>In response to a British attempt to expand their trade to some of the North China ports, the Qing emperor in 1757 issued a decree explicitly ordering that Guangzhou be made the only port opened to foreign commerce. This had the effect of tightening Chinese regulations on foreign traders. Foreign merchants became subject to numerous demanding regulations,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canton_System
>In 1757 the Qianlong Emperor banned all non-Russian ships from the ports of northern China.[16] Thereafter all such commerce was to be conducted via a single port under what became known in as the Canton System (In Chinese: Yī kŏu tōngshāng (一口通商 literally, "Single port commerce system").
Only indirect trade could be used to bypass the system, so yes, the Portuguese and Spanish bypassed it, but it still applied to all Europeans.
>>2495229
they literally refused to receive letters directly from Europeans.

>>2496675
>Mention Orientalism and racism
>People sperg out
:^)

>>2496859
The official trade, yes. You are correct.

The unofficial trade which was the opium/spanish silver/spices and that accounted for half of the total, no. You are incorrect.

The Qing could barely enforce its own military, let alone trade laws

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>>2497172

The official trade was limited to silver and ONLY silver for tea, silk, etc. which was unsustainable.

The Europeans could not for example, trade mechanical clocks for tea; it was silver or nothing.

Thus the unofficial trade of opium for silver for tea, silk, etc. which the Chinese government knowingly taxed for their benefit despite the illegality of it.

And we’re right back to my original point up-thread; The Chinese caused their own downfall by their retarded adherence of isolation.

>>2497264
Your logic is broken.

The opium was illegal. The Chinese did not officially trade for opium. Random drug distributors in China traded unofficially for it, usually in the form of silk or silver.

So you are wrong. Is it isolationism if you have 1% official trade and 99% unofficial? I mean, nominally it is. In reality it is not.

China was never sealed off or "isolationist". Isolationist being "not interacting with outside world more than the bare necessity".
The government was just extremely conservative and antithetical to new ideas.

>>2497348

He's not wrong. If the Chinks had accepted trade goods other than silver, there would have been no opium wars and no century of humiliation.

>>2497383
What? How is this relevant or logical?

He's claiming China was isolationist and the only trade for euros was through the canton system. He's wrong on both accounts.

>>2494804
Why does /pol/ have to come in and turn EVERY SINGLE FUCKING THREAD into some Jewish conspiracy, "White reace" being "victimized" Hitler was right shitfest? Fucking why?

>>2497172
>unofficial trade
yes, but we're talking about actual trade - official policy, which the brits and euros worked within until Opium came about. Even when the Qing started to crack down on the sale of opium, there were traders who were willing to work within.

>>2497400
>into some Jewish conspiracy

The Opium Trade in the 19th century was run by Jews though. Literally. See: David Sassoon.

>>2497412
Also note that it was Kaifeng Jews who acted as the dealers on the ground for the big Jews in London, Paris and Baghdad.

>>2497412
>>2497420
>Da Jews did erfrathang
Can you tell me why these "Jews" had blond hair and blue eyes?

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>>2497392
> What? How is this relevant or logical?

No stupid Chinese trade rules for silver only = Euros don’t bother smuggling opium = China trades tea, silk, ceramics, etc. for clocks, guns, steamships, etc. = China no longer an assbackward country = China is no longer the chump of the Euros and Japanese.

How do you not understand this?

Why should we treat the Anglo any other way than we treat any common Jew? They're the same people.

>>2497466
Because Jews intermixed into European societies you fucking retard. Ashkenazi Jews are a thing, you know?

>>2498285

so then they arent any different from europeans and any jew-goy distinction is moot

>>2494892
Wow, this is the best porcelain Chinks could make? I thought they were supposed to be civilized??

>>2498295
No sadly judaism has been morphed into a transdimensional identity in 2017.

We now have 'secular jews' whose only tangential connexion to judaism is apartness from goyim.

Literally if you identify as a jew in 2017 you are a jew. Moses would have wept. Abraham is doing barrel roles in his grave.

>>2497172
>Th-The trade ban on Euros is absolutely false! There was still trade going on
>Oh-oh the Official trade was banned? Well let's just play at semantics then?
Weed trade is officially banned, but that doesn't mean people don't still trade weed dumbass.
People are still going to be pissed if you "Officially" ban trade because of the message it sends to them that they're not wanted.

>>2497392
The Canton system was a shit trade deal for people who didn't already have their foot in the door, dickhead. That's the thing that pissed off the Anglos.

If the Qing autism hadn't prevented them from seeing how this would frustrate people who came from halfway across the globe, maybe the peace talks would have gone somewhere.

The Brits wanted a fair shake and the Qing kept restricting the ports they could trade in and throttled their economy. The ports of an overseas mercantile empire. One that had recently conquered bits of India.

>>2498323
Imagine being Abraham or Moses waking up in 2017 Israel to a government of smarmy atheists desu.

It would be a nightmare to them.

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>>2498334
She's right you know

>>2497383
Was there any real demand in China for products other than silver? As far as they were concerned they had everything they needed. That's why China didn't engage in mercantilism unlike the Europeans.

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>>2498387
> Was there any real demand in China for products other than silver?

MERCHANT: “The Roundeyes want to trade all kinda stuff for tea.”
EMPEROR: “No! The Chinese don’t want any of that shit!”
MERCHANT: “But how do we know they don’t want it?”
EMPEROR: “Because I said so!”

>>2498454
A leader who put society ahead of economy?

What a bastard

>>2498461
The Qianlong emperor's reign was by all accounts a stable and prosperous time for the Qing, after which everything went downhill.

>>2498454
That doesn't look like a Qing emperor to me.

Let me get this straight, if isolationism is bad, why did Trump get elected?

>>2498630
We've reached a point where major urban centers declare themselves to be sanctuary cities for foreigners with record numbers of citizen homelessness.

We pump billions overseas while our own infrastructure is failing. Not crumbling, failing.

We send hundreds of thousands of troops to secure the border of Iraq while leaving out own porous and out of control.

No one wants to become isolationist, that's an incorrect term.

We simply want a period of time when the American is the most important person in America.

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>>2498650

But, clearly from this thread, the first thing that will happen after we secure our borders from drugs and violent foreigners, the British will invade and burn Washington. History will give them the moral high ground.

>>2498650
The sanctuary city system isn't because they love illegals so much, it's a simple cost benefit. They decided the social cost of making the illegals unable to approach local law enforcement is not offset by the social benefit of giving local law enforcement support to federal immigration officers.

How exactly did they defeat the largest empire on Earth with 20,000 men and some boats?

>>2494801
They expected the British empire to respect their sovereignty

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>Be me, Britain
>Discover tea
>lovethatshit.jpeg
>Buy tea from China
>Bankrupt from buying tea from China
>Get them hooked on heroin for bantz
>Emperor is pissed
>Destroy their navy for violating the NAP
>Exercise control over China
>Where do we get our tea from now?
>Force India to lmao

>>2498759
Meanwhile homeless citizens are commonly cited, harassed and arrested with property thrown away and no legal recourse.

You're crazy. Like special 1984 crazy

>>2498769
>try to get all the colonies hooked on tea
>haha it's SO expensive lol stupid colonies you mad
>colonists throw all that tea right into the ocean
>fuck you Dad! And your tea!!
>we'll go to South America and get coffee instead

>>2498760
because they didn't overplay their hand. just stuck to a mostly naval campaign, while picking and choosing where exactly they would engage the chinese and when.

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>>2498769
>ifunny
>historically inaccurate greentext

>>2496783
stop writing in a white language, im extremely offended

>>2497420
>>2497412
>when /pol/ ruins EVERY thread by shoehorning their anti-semitism into any historical discussion
fuck off already

The Qing dynasty didn't care if peasants used opium and they lost silver through other trade goods.

What was the real reason?

>>2498760
Lad this is /his/.
Anons here pretend that the brits never did anything impressive while idolising the innumerable people they defeated.

>>2498856
>The Qing dynasty didn't care if peasants used opium
why do you assume only peasants did it? opium use became rampant in the military and among all classes in the cities. the more money people spent on opium, the less money they would have left over to give pay in taxes to the government. and you're wrong; opium shifted the balance of trade in favor of the british.

>>2494804
He goes for jews and Mexicans but he's missing the obvious conspiracy here.
Research Chemicals
Fentanyl analogues are being made in China and being shipped over to the US legally right now. Those fuckers are getting their revenge.

>>2498885
>opium shifted the balance of trade in favor of the british.

Indeed, the stupid Chinese trade regulations resulted in a flood of cheep Indian opium that made it available at all levels of society.

>>2498772

I bet you don't even like the homeless, you are just saying that.

>>2498461
>A leader who put society ahead of economy?

How is forcing your people to remain in a backward medieval society while the world advances around you, a good thing?

>>2498630
Different kinds of isolationism. America is stronger than everyone else and has to cut itself off to stop the weaker nations parasiting off it. Qing Dynasty by the time of the Opium Wars was decidedly weaker than the European Powers and could have benefited from opening up and gaining foreign knowledge and products of the industrial revolution.

>>2497400
Sometimes it's not actually /pol/ sometimes it's a troll or a false flagger. You never know :^)

t. /pol/

>>2499003
Naw come on pol is the ultimate boogeyman for leftist hysterics. They shriek and howl all day long about pol lol, accusing anything outside of their scope to be derived from a single hated community.

It's quite deranged

>>2494963
The world doesnt owe the anglo anything. The britbongs shouldve either accepted china's terms for buying its prduct or kindly fucked off.

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>>2498328
>The Brits wanted a fair shake and the Qing kept restricting the ports they could trade in and throttled their economy.

The issue (at least early on) had less to do with restricting trade to a single port, it was the insistence on silver only that was screwing with the European economies.

The Euro traders would have been content (for a while) to trade only via Canton, if the Chinese had been willing to trade for other products and had the Chinese done so, they would have gained access to Euro tech and practices and the time to implement them in China, so that when the Euros started bitching about only trading thru Canton, the Chinese would have been capable of enforcing their regulations.

But by demanding silver only, the Euros were BOTH being bankrupted _and_ didn’t have access to any other Chinese ports and when the inevitable Opium Wars happened, China was still the same assbackward medieval nation they had been when the Euros had first arrived, while the Euros had become more advanced and powerful over the years and now could and would enforce their own trade deals on China.

China fucked itself by blindly insisting that they could somehow go on without having any contact with those outside of China.

>>2499017
Why accept terms when you can just force yours?

>>2499015
I actually kind of feel bad for /his/ it's in the middle of crossboarder/crosswebsite war. I remember the days circa 2016 where /int/ dominated /his/ kek. I guess there was never going to be a long term pattern of non-partisan discussion and it was naive to expect such.

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>FUCK YOU STOP BRINGING UP JEWS ALL THE TIME /pol/ YOURE RUINING MY THREADS ITS NOTHING BUT JEWS
Have you tried not replying to those posts instead of giving them tons of butthurt replies?

>>2499018
>China fucked itself by blindly insisting that they could somehow go on without having any contact with those outside of China.

But they could have. They were pretty self-sufficent.

Only Europeans needed to push the 'diversity is your greatest strength' meme

>>2499017
But they didn't, and they gained a lot from it. How fucking naive are you? If the chinese were in a position to fuck over the brits in the same way, they would have done it as well.

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>>2498759
>The sanctuary city system isn't because they love illegals so much, it's a simple cost benefit.

Illegal Mexicans cost American tax payers bazillions of dollars per year, 70%+ of illegals are on some kinda welfare and they're filling up our prisons, at thousands of dollars per prisoner per year.

The "sanctuary city" treason is nothing by typical Leftist politics.

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>>2499017
>The world doesnt owe the anglo anything.

You're right, but try and stop them when you stupidly insist on remaining a medieval society.

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>>2499038

Like the Chinese, you're ignoring human nature and the advance of civilization.

>>2499015
So anybody who thinks moaning about racemixing cucks and (((globalist))) conspiracies and the victimization of the white nation is counterproductive is now a leftist hysteric?

>>2499043
>If the chinese were in a position to fuck over the brits in the same way, they would have done it as well.
Except the Chinese never gave a shit about anything further from them than Xinjiang, and weren't really into the mercantilism game.

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>>2496115
>>2496796
>Implying the cartels aren't the biggest importers of coke and heroin to the U.S. besides muh weed.
Oh and btw >>2496115, in case you forgot, they are both used in medicine.

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>>2499053
You know you could have looked a bit harder for a better graph, that one is kinda shitty. It's over 10 years old.

I mean look at this one, still only 2011, but it even looks better, and it still confirms what your looking for. Which is nice.

>Btw inflation, is it accounted for in these? Cus 1980's money is worth shit, and the drug wars kinda cooled off, so spending should do down before 9/11 hypes things back up.

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>>2499601
A ha! So I looked up the data methodology. It isn't exactly right, what is going on here? Maybe I picked the wrong graph to look up. I don't want to turn this into something that will keep me awake at night.

https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=2192

>>2499619
Ok so it is the 2011 study, but only looks at every five years from 1982. It doesn't really show a dip from the crack wars more or less ending, but 1997 to 2002 does show a good jump.

I'm just surprised how many people are employed in law enforcement. That's alot of voters man, I can see why they are so influential. A law and order platform vs a reform platform would be a very hot race.

Any way something about sanctuary cities? I don't have data on specific cites, but I'm sure you could come relate two similar sized cites one sanctuary the other not and try to suss out any differences.

I'm pretty sure we are going to see an overall increase in spending everywhere though.

>>2499053
The point of a sanctuary city is that
>Cities attract illegals because of the opportunities for employment
>Cities cannot man their borders, so cities cannot stop illegals from entering within their boundaries after they have crossed into the country
>Therefore it is inevitable for there to be a population of illegals in the city
>Having this population of illegals afraid to interact with the municipal government creates problems with managing the city e.g. they cannot report crimes to the local police, they cannot access medical services so communicable diseases like TB spread unchecked, they cannot access education so their kids end up on the street joining gangs, etc.
>Hence the city decides it is better to just leave the federal immigration officers to deal with illegals since it is their jurisdiction anyway, and just focus on running a city

>>2499693
Meanwhile they also have sizeable homeless populations of actual citizens who have fallen out of the system.

And they harass, cite and arrest those citizens.

So who the fuck are American cities sanctuaries for exactly if not Americans?

>>2499698
What does stigma against the homeless and LEO power tripping have to do with ICE exactly?

>>2499698
do you think the term "sanctuary" means "come here for free shit" or something? All it means is that local government employees aren't doing the feds' job for them.

>>2499702
American leftists will go out of their way to prevent legal repercussions against foreigners in American cities.

They march and rally and hold training classes on how to evade ICE and deportation.

So much time and energy is spent by the American leftist while their fellow Americans lie outside in the cold and the rain to be shuttled around by the police while illegals drive on by.

It's a glaringly obvious disconnect in American liberal priorities imho.

>>2499709
>descending to whataboutism after he got the definition of sanctuary city wrong
>conflate liberals with leftists
What have you done for the urban poor and homeless?

>>2499709
Pretty sure the left is also pushing for a socialist welfare state that would throw tax dollars at their fellow impoverished Americans.
But sure OK leftism is all about race treason or whatever.

>>2499001
>and could have benefited from opening up and gaining foreign knowledge and products of the industrial revolution.
Except this would have threatened the people in power, and they couldn't have that. Hence that cunt Empress Dowager Cixi.

The opium wars and the massive social and economic cost of the opium epidemic in China are what I point to when dumb hippies argue that mind altering substances should be made legal and it's their choice what to put in their body.

Hell, they couldn't even fight off the British properly because bazillions of their soldiers were high on opium.

>>2499730
>comparing an addictive and destructive drug that pushed by foreigners is comparable to non-addictive and non-destructive drug that is home grown
Okay...

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>>2499739
>non-addictive and non-destructive drug
Absolutely zero self-awareness, as expected of a fucking stoner

>>2499739
>that is home grown
Most of the weed in the US is smuggled from Mexico. And then there's all that opioid shit that comes from the foreign cartels.

>>2500200
>opioid
More like coke.

Is anyone here really surprised? The British Empire was all about pursuit of profits by any means necessary. India had famines that resulted in millions of deaths thanks to the East India Company's rapaciousness in Bengal for cash crops. Britain decided to become the preeminent drug lords of the 19th century while waging unequal treaties on China. They subjugated Africa including the Boer republics and killed tens of thousands for precious metals and other mineral resources.

I dislike the PRC, but you can't blame them for despising the West after being fucked for nearly a century. Shit is gonna bite back against the British and other Europeans in another century or so.

>>2500640
The East Asians are unironically the good guys of history and the only ones who can stop AngloZionist aggression.

>>2500667
Who the ChiComs? I don't trust those bastards for a second. The North Koreans are nutty while the South Koreans are uptight dickwads. The Japs are moronic autists. There is nothing redeemable from East Asians at the moment.

>>2498630
he got elected by reactionary powers in America (working class people who lost their jobs due to globalisation).
If Trump manages to implement his protectionist policy, America is gonna get fucked hard

>>2499018
>it was the insistence on silver only that was screwing with the European economies.

i took a college course on the china during the 18-20th centuries. during the opium war section, the professor mentioned china's insistence on trading their items for silver as silver was their money standard. once the europeans got a stronghold over east/se asia, they were able to get the chinese to desire their products, however, the europeans switched their money standard to gold thus leaving china with no opportunity to trade. i believe this happened shortly after the opium wars which in turn led to further degradation of chinese society unfolding into the boxer rebellion.

>>2494801
The Chinks didn't want the Kikes poisoning their people with that shit.

/pol/ is always right. You have been lied to your whole life.

Get used to it.

>>2500200
>Most of the weed in the US is smuggled from Mexico.

While most of the weed that is smuggled into the US is smuggled in from Mexico, most of the weed in the U.S. is grown right here in the U.S.

>>2500706
Which policy exactly numb nuts?

>his policy

You're a joke. You think taking one step back to put Americans into the interests of America will lead to cataclysm or something.

What an ass

>>2499739
>an addictive and destructive drug that pushed by foreigners

It wasn't "pushed" by foreigners, because foreigners had no access to China outside of Canton and thus only had access to the Chinese merchants officially licensed by the Emperor to trade with foreigners.

It was the Chinese merchants who wanted the opium and who were "pushing it" on the Chinese people, the Euros simply provided it.

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>>2499693
> Hence the city decides it is better to just leave the federal immigration officers to deal with illegals

Except that’s not what the sanctuary cities are doing, they’re ACTIVELY PREVENTING the FedGov from dealing with illegal Mexicans.

That illegal Mexican who shot and killed that American girl in SanFran a couple of years ago, had been caught and deported five times and had a mile long arrest record in the U.S. (which is why San Francisco cops picked him up in the first place);

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Kathryn_Steinle

“On March 26, 2015, at the request of the San Francisco Sheriff's Department, United States Bureau of Prisons (BOP) had turned Sanchez over to San Francisco authorities for an outstanding drug warrant. U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) had issued a detainer for Sanchez requesting that he be kept in custody until immigration authorities could pick him up. As a sanctuary city, however, which limits cooperation with ICE only to cases where active charges against the immigrant are identified, San Francisco did not honor the detainer and released him, since they found no active warrant for his arrest.”

>>2494801
And now they're manufacturing fentanyl and shipping it to every country they want to weaken. pottery

>>2499707
>do you think the term "sanctuary" means "come here for free shit" or something?

Yes, that's exactly what it means, 70% of illegal Mexicans are on welfare and they're getting free medical care and free schooling and the sanctuary city governments are actively helping illegals avoid deportation.

That's straight-up treason.

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>Isolationism memes
They weren't isolated. Only Britain has nothing the Chinks want. Other Europeans tend to have some like Spics and their American products or Dutch with their spices. People also forget Portugal was granted Macau from which to trade with as early as the 1560s.

Anglo Victim-Blaming is fucking disgusting
>WAAAH AMERICANS CANT REVOLT BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO PAY TAXES WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!
>WAAAAH

>>2494804
Well for starters the Mexicans didn't force Marijuana on Americans, there was an existing market with a void they just happened to fill.

The way to fix it? Go back to our 1914 drug policy & dissolve the DEA

>>2502728
There was a huge market in china for opium as well, and business for opium was booming.
>abolishing drug regulations will stem the flow of drugs

>>2502762
>The British government is the same as beheading cartels running rampant in the mexican countryside

Go back to /pol/, your level of discourse isn't good enough for /his/ and that's saying something.

>>2494859
no, it's the new "faggot"

>>2502781
nice deflecting the question and ignoring the point i was making
you sure showed me

>>2502762
There's a difference between organized gang activity and state policy; the latter has a clear geopolitical goal whereas the former is solely out to make money. Not saying that what the UK did was wrong, but the two are clearly on different levels

>Implying a useless, over-inflated waste of taxpayer dollars is worth a damn
Wew, I bet you think use will spike after decriminalization too

>>2502781
>/his/ is a sekret club for sooper smart guis only like me XDDDDDD
Yeah nah m8 fuck off

>>2502902
>>2502836
The Redditors are highly autistic, it's best to ignore them

>>2499394

>implying the cartels etc.

First of all I wrote in the past tense, if you actually read my post at all.

>>2502882
There are Asian countries like Japan, South Korea, Singapore, and indeed China that enforce extremely strict penalties against drugs up to and including the death penalty, and they don't seem to have all these problems related to the war on drugs that America does.

>>2503366
Then you need to read up more coz Singapore just seen an uptick in drug usage. Also

>China
>drug free
Wew lads

>>2503366
Back in the 70's, my home state New York, governor Rockefeller enforced the toughest drug laws in the country. Did it stop drug use? No, all it did was put otherwise law-abiding people in prison for ludicrous amounts of time

>>2503598
>not having War on Drugs problems like ludicrous levels of incarceration and criminalization of ordinary people =
drug free
Nice strawman

>>2503774
Now you are just moving goalposts, you said it does not seem to have these problems and now you are saying it is not as bad. Singapore and South Korea did not have a rich history with drugs prior to the hard laws and now it is shown to be failing. Plus they do have criminalization of drug users

Also China is probably the worst in East Asia.

>>2503067
>...we've allowed beaners to monopolize the most profitable crop since tobacco
Sounds like the monopoly is still present. Maybe you didn't even fully read your own post.

I think it's long established that this unpleasantness could well have been avoided through more flexible trade over our demand for their damnable tea.

>>2503893
The average British household was spending 10% of their income on tea

You had a problem

>>2503895

they should not have dared get between a man and his ambrosia

>>2503672
>otherwise law-abiding people
Fuck "otherwise law-abiding people".
Gangbangers are "otherwise law abiding people" too, I mean it's not like they break ALL laws only some of them, so clearly they're cool guys and THE MAN is just hassling them with his unjust laws and shit.

Druggies should get the needle.

>>2503895
>Chinks take advantage of Anglo tea-heads, nobody cares.
>Anglos take advantage of Chink opium junkies, everybody loses their minds.

>>2503819
No, you were moving the goalposts by claiming that anon claiming they do not have the ludicrous social and financial disaster of the US's War on Drugs means anon was claiming they are drug free.

>>2504299
I admit drug free is a poor choice of words but if there is any country that can compete in how much drugs there are with USA is china

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>>2494801

> fast forward to 2009
> ayy China please don't execute Akmal even though he smuggled 4kg of Herorin into your country as being British means he is above your law XD
> no
> you will release him as don't you remember what happened last time when you didn't listen to us haha
> yep

Akmal Shaikh was executed by the Chinese despite claims he suffered from bipolar disorder. His death by lethal injection yesterday heralded a chorus of criticism from the British government, the United Nations and human rights groups. Prime Minister Gordon Brown, who had telephoned Chinese premier Wen Jiabao to urge him to halt the execution, said he was "appalled and disappointed" at the failure to grant clemency.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/gordon-brown-s-anger-as-chinese-execute-briton-1-784070

What goes around comes around.

>>2504435
>claims he suffered from bipolar disorder.

How crazy could he have been, if he was smuggling 4kg of heroin into the country?

I worked with a guy who was bipolar for almost 10 years and he was fine, until he punched out his fat cunt of a wife and they quadrupled his meds, turning him into a drooling zombie.

>>2503866

>not knowing changing tense between sentences demonstrates chronology

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>>2498854
>they spoke the word "jew" and did not follow with the best compliments known to man: they must be anti-semite.

They listed facts, JIDF. You cant argue facts. Or will you call me anti-semite when I point out that on the 29th of may, 1453 the kerkaporta in the jewish quartier of constantinople was left open for the jannisaries to enter and capture the city?

>why didn't the Qing just take an addictive mind altering substance that was destroying their society

>>2494979
what do you expect?Anglos are disgusting

>>2502666
shut the fuck up subhuman Americuck

>>2504540
If we've allowed them to monopolize marijuana, meaning there were past actions that allowed Mexicans to gain a monopoly on marijuana, then sure, that is past tense. But there is nothing in the second paragraph indicating that they ever lost the monopoly.
>Not knowing how to fully convey the point of your writing

>>2504193
Nice strawman, the Rockefeller laws:
>Tripled NYS incarceration rate
>Clogged the prison system
>Convicted mostly low level non-violent first time offenders

>>2504435
> ayy China please don't execute Akmal even though he smuggled 4kg of Herorin into your country as being British means he is above your law XD

That's the British government.

It's a sign of just how massive the gulf between British elite and everyman middle englander is that Akmal Shaikh was even called "British" in the first place.

Barring a few libfags, I don't know a single person who:

1. Felt any affinity with that shit skinned paki.
2. Opposed the Chinese executing him. Quite to the contrary, he deserved to die. As does most of the Pakistani nation.

>>2504466
It's just standard defense lawyer bullshittery that libfags fall for every time.

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>>2506756
>Mexicans to gain a monopoly on marijuana

Most weed in the U.S. is grown in the U.S. by Americans.

Why would Americans buy shitty Mexican ditch weed, when they can get primo hydo-bud from their next-door neighbor?

What little smuggling of Mexican weed that's happening, is limited to border areas in the Southwest. It's simply too much of a hassle and risk for the small return on the investment, for Mexicans to bother with anymore.

>>2497402
That's literally irrelevant to the original argument.

>>2497828
China did trade for all of those things though.
Also, they had A LOT of those things in 1894-1895 and still got BTFO by the Japanese.

China's problem wasn't material you dumbfuck.

>>2498324
How is this fucking relevant to my post? You are fucking strawmanning me and then using logical fallacies with false analogies.

The anon claimed
"China only traded silver with the Euros".
I pointed out that was fucking wrong.
Then the anon claimed
"China was isolationist and only had trade through the Canton system and therefore they deserved the Opium War".
I then pointed out that just because something is officially the law, doesn't change the fact China had the majority of its trade in unofficial venues.
Therefore his "isolationist" claim was wrong.

That's literally how the argument went
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>>2497392
That's the argument. And I was correct so I'm done here.

>>2498760
The United Kingdom Empire was the largest on the Earth, and was at its relative peak at that time.

>>2498936
>No No it had nothing to do with the British literally running the drug cartel supplying it and starting two wars to increase its flow!

Are you fucking mentally ill?

>>2498942
How did they force their society to be that way? 1912 China was definitely not Medieval-tier.

>>2499018
So wait, it's China's fault that the Brits invaded it twice and opened a massive imperial drug cartel in Hong Kong?

>>2499043
You have no evidence of this

>>2502399
>Opium wasn't "pushed" by foreigners,
>It was the Chinese merchants who wanted the opium and who were "pushing it" on the Chinese people,

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Opium_War
>Five ports were opened for trade, gunboats, and foreign residence: Guangzhou, Xiamen, Fuzhou, Ningbo, and Shanghai. Hong Kong was seized by the British to become a free and open port. Tariffs were abolished thus preventing the Chinese from raising future duties to protect domestic industries and extraterritorial practices exempted Westerners from Chinese law. This made them subject to their own civil and criminal laws of their home country. Most importantly, the opium problem was never addressed and after the treaty was signed opium addiction doubled.[15]

Hmmmmmmmmm

>>2502399 #
>Opium wasn't "pushed" by foreigners,
>It was the Chinese merchants who wanted the opium and who were "pushing it" on the Chinese people,

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Opium_War
>Five ports were opened for trade, gunboats, and foreign residence: Guangzhou, Xiamen, Fuzhou, Ningbo, and Shanghai. Hong Kong was seized by the British to become a free and open port. Tariffs were abolished thus preventing the Chinese from raising future duties to protect domestic industries and extraterritorial practices exempted Westerners from Chinese law. This made them subject to their own civil and criminal laws of their home country. Most importantly, the opium problem was never addressed and after the treaty was signed opium addiction doubled.[15]

Hmmmmmmmmm is this Lindy?

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>>2506975
> First_Opium_War
> 1839

Europeans had been trading thru Canton since 1516.

Hmmmmmmmmm is this a dumbass?

>>2504653
>They listed facts, JIDF.
that's not an argument, that's ad hominem
>You cant argue facts.
which are? and if you provide them you'd need sources.
>Or will you call me anti-semite when I point out that on the 29th of may, 1453 the kerkaporta in the jewish quartier of constantinople was left open for the jannisaries to enter and capture the city?
[citation needed] and a further proof would be needed to show that it was the jews responsible.

>>2507273
to add, if you're so keen on using facts to prove you're hatred for jews, then at least don't be a pussy coward and sperg out when someone calls you what you are, /pol/cuck

>>2506975
He's right though, the actual day to day "dealers" were Kaifeng Jews.

>>2497383
Victim blaming

>>2506886
>That's literally irrelevant to the original argument.
Really now? Because I said
>canton system applied to all European
which is what started this string of replies. And it did, which you admitted. It doesn't matter what was done "unofficially" when we're discussing policy. Which I was. Saying your right isn't going to make it any more true.