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"Liever Turks dan Paaps"

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> Liever Turks dan Paaps ("Rather Turkish than Papist"), also Liever Turksch dan Paus ("Rather Turkish than Pope"), was a Dutch slogan during the Dutch Revolt of the end of the 16th century. The slogan was used by the Dutch mercenary naval forces (the "Sea Beggars") in their fight against Catholic Spain.

> During the Dutch Revolt, the Dutch were under such a desperate situation that they looked for help from many places no matter their religion, and "indeed even a Turk", as wrote the secretary of Jan van Nassau.[1] William of Orange had already sent ambassadors to the Ottoman Empire for help in 1566, and it is speculated that it was in response to William's request that Selim II sent his fleet to attack the Spanish at Tunis in 1574.[1] The Dutch viewed Ottoman successes against the Habsburgs with great interest, and saw Ottoman campaigns in the Mediterranean as an indicator of relief on the Dutch front. William wrote around 1565:

> The phrase "Liever Turks dan Paaps" was coined as a way to express that life under the Muslim Ottoman Sultan would have been more desirable than life under the Catholic King of Spain.[3] The Flemish noble D'Esquerdes wrote to this effect that he:

> The slogan Liever Turks dan Paaps did not mean the Dutch seriously contemplated coming under Ottoman suzerainty, as they were far away from that empire's sphere of influence; rather, it was an expression of their antipathy to the Catholic regime they had been subjected to.[3]

How does this affect your perception of Calvinists and the Netherlands?
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Well, the nominally Catholic France also supported the Ottoman sultan against the Habsburgs.
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>>2492161
>How does this affect your perception of Calvinists and the Netherlands?
Sensible, freedom-loving people who saw the Germanic and Catholic menace for what it was. If only we'd listened.
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The Ottomans let you practice religions other than Islam, although you'd have to pay extra taxes and maybe have your kids drafted into the Janissaries. The Spanish response to religious minorities was either expulsion and forced conversion.

I'd pick the Turks too.
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