Was Westphalian sovereignty a mistake?

>>2491283
No. Religion was a mistake.

>>2491286
Atheism was a mistake.

I was a mistake.

this thread was a mistake

>>2491310
Atheism is older than human civilization or society so your argument is invalid.

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>>2491329
poor bait

>>2491329
Adam was a theist.

>>2491340
You are the baiter. Cavemen did not believe in G-d.

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>>2491356
>Cavemen
No such thing.

>>2491329
actually science points out that everybody grows up religious

http://www.science20.com/writer_on_the_edge/blog/scientists_discover_that_atheists_might_not_exist_and_thats_not_a_joke-139982

God hardwired us to know him

>>2491329
Atheism isn't even a thing, its a lack of something

>>2491365
atheism is very recent. only like 200 years old, it coincides with darwin's monkey mythology which tries to replace the biblical creation narrative

>tfw descended from rhinelanders but know literally nothing about the history of the rhineland
can /his/ educate me about muh heritage? my ancestors came from the palatinate in 1709 if that helps

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>>2491394
The Rhine and the Danube are the two most important rivers in Europe, in size, elongation and surrounding population unparalleled. Not surprisingly, this makes the Rhine very important for trade. Rhine trading was already a thing under the Romans, whose border ran along the Rhine in the form of the Limes, while the Rhineland itself was mostly settled by Franks, which is especially apparent in all the names of communities and people there.
Rhine trade continued to be important during the Middle Ages in which the privilege to toll traders on the Rhine was a large source of income to the local princes. Rhine princes, some of them like Mainz, the Palatinate, Cologne and Trier, being electors to the Holy Roman Empire, wielded a lot of power. Trade considerably increased with the invention of the steam engine, which allowed to access the upper Rhine more easily. The Palatinate was very powerful until it got fucked during the 30 Years War - they had it coming, though, considering that they sparked it when the elector-prince of the Palatinate, Frederick V., now known to us as the Winter King, wanted to become King of Bohemia.
During the industrial revolution, the Saarland and Northrhine were huge sources of Germany's steel and coal, which is also why it was occupied post WW1.

Cologne, further down the Rhine, had already been an important center of trade under the Romans, while the political center of the Romans there was in Trier. In fact, under the tetrarchy, Trier had been one of the four capitals of Rome, and even before many emperors resided there to patrol and keep control over the western legions, one of the three sources of power of the military despots the emperors were (the other two being the legions stationed in Illyria and Antioch).
The Rhineland is very rich in Roman artifacts and buildings. Some roman bathhouses and bridges are still in use today. Many cities were founded as military camps of the Romans.

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>>2491394
>>2491668
The Rhine has been a natural defensive perimeter for all its existence. This most easily becomes apparent when going there to see all the medieval and later castles. The Rhineland is chock full of them, and this cannot be overstated. In fact, IIRC, it has the highest density of castles in all of Europe. This reflects its border nature to France in the HRE (keyword: marches) and vice versa.

French influence on the Rhineland is very big. The French see the Rhine as the natural delimiter of France. Communities west of the Rhine (and some across), after being occupied during the French Revolution, introduced the Code Civil (Code Napoleon) and even used it during the German Empire, until the introduction of the Bürgerliches Gesetzbuch (BGB) in 1900. French influence can most easily be observed in language used West of the Rhine, e.g. when Germans say "Bürgersteig" (citizen boardwalk), which stems from French.

In the Palatinate, winegrowing is of a lot of cultural and economic importance, and has been since Roman times. Another cool trivia: The Palatinian university of Heidelberg is the oldest and for many humanities most prestigious university in Germany. (Note that the modern state of Rhineland-Palatinate does not fully encompass the territory of the Elector Palatinate, which is why Heidelberg is now in the state of Baden-Württemberg.)

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>>2491283
Westphalia is perhaps over-played as a turning-point in international relations. As some historian said, it was perhaps just a rearrangement of the European map ready for the next war.

So it removed religious fascism from diplomacy for a hundred years or so.

But not forever.

>>2491377
> it coincides with darwin's monkey mythology which tries to replace the biblical creation narrative

You're confusing system of beliefts with religion

Although religion is a system of belief, not al systems of beliefs are religious.

can somone ELI5 what Westphalian sovereinity is?