Post art that best encapsulates modern society

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Swiss Graphic Design master race

>>2489839
It angers me that Takashi Murakami has done much better stuff but that ugly statue is the only thing the West recognizes because lolpenis.

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>>2489920
>tfw when your mom calls to tell you she's going to see the Takashi Murakami exhibit at LACMA
MOM NOOOOOOOO!!!

>>2489920
It's more like "tee hee cume", but I see your point.

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So good, you can eat it.

>>2489980
Looks tasty. I'd buy it.

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...If only you knew how bad things really are...

>>2490018
That's actually pretty funny

>>2490068
What language is that? Can't tell

>>2490071
Those faces

>I'm really unconformable with this but by being here I am virtue signalling how progressive I am so Ill do my best to sit here

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>>2490071
The fuck?

>>2489872
Helvetica fetishist pls.

>>2490071
nobody wants to be there, but they know they'll get goodboy points and bragging rights afterwards.

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>>2490068
Things that make you uncomfortable are also art. Not all art before modern times were greco-roman statues jesus fuck I'm getting mad at a dead nazi documentary voiceover.
>>2490080
>here I am virtue signalling how progressive I am
They're not even... what?
>>2490088
Helvetica is overused... because it's really good get rekt nerd.

>Pic related, another great meme font.

>>2490165
If everything can be art, how can art be anything ?
You should call it reality.

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Stop saying "modern art" please, and say "contemporary art" instead.

Modern art is great.

>>2490278
Picasso sucks, and Duchamp is vacuous.

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>>2490264
>If everything can be art, how can art be anything ?

Art is specifically something created to impart a feeling. There's no point in over-complicating it.

>>2490165
*unsheathes Futura*
heh nuthin personnel

>>2490306
Well, I didn't post Picasso or Duchamp, I posted Salvador Dali.

>>2490314
Is waterboarding art ?

>>2490330
But you wrote modern art, not Salvador dali.

>>2490381
It can be. Ask Khalid.

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>>2489839
Alex Colville

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>>2490424
nice

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>>2490384
Well Dali is modern art. Not all art of a period is great in my opinion.

I don't particularly like Picasso or Duchamp. But I like a lot of modern art.

You can be an expressionist or whatever other gay shit, but you'll only be acknowledged if it took some degree of skill. Also no edgy art like a meaningless pile of feces.

>>2490596
>Not all art of a period is great in my opinion.
I agree. That's what I wanted to point out in response to the assertion that "modern art is great".

Some modern art is good, some contemporary art is good, and some of either period is shit.

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>>2490080
>virtue signalling

>>2490618
Yeah you're right. I guess I spoke too fast. Either way, I just wanted to point out that it's easy to just point to low-hanging fruits and say that all art of a period is bad, like many cultural conservatives do.

That said, I kind of agree with them to some extent that it wasn't a good idea to deconstruct skill from art.

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>>2489839
This sort of shit

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>>2490633

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>>2490635

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>>2490640

>>2489839
2 nukes weren't enough

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>>2490648

>>2490651
Much better.

>>2490651
This makes me uncomfortable for some reason.

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>>2490657
Autism

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>>2490663

>>2490621
You keep using that meme

I think you know where it came from

>>2490663
Nah, there's just something harrowing about a ghost town.

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>>2490698
Doesn't look like a ghost town.

>>2489920
>whine about anime
>the only reason anyone knows about you is because lolanime
Serves him right.

>>2490629

I think it was a logical idea to have. I don't blame them for that, because seriously, what value is there in skill ?
The value, for the public at least, is entirely in the result. It doesn't matter how difficult it was to create an art piece, only how aesthetic it is in the end.
I disagree with people who prefer Fragonard to Rothko on account of their respective level of technical skill, because regardless of that the latter's painting are more pleasing to my eye.
A completely accidental mix of colors can be more valuable to me than something that took years of work.

On the other hand, I resent people who rejected the value of beauty or of aesthetic refinement, and who argued that Otto Dix's art is just as good as Gustav Klimt's.
That's bulldog.

>>2490703
>>2490698
There's something special about north american cities. You can see it there, but also in >>2490596, and in real life. They're always kind of sinister, grotesque in a subtle way... I like it.

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>>2490635
God, living in a place like this feels like living nowhere.

>>2490737
That's the artisan/artist dichotomy at work. "Art" as a practice of skill versus "Art" as >>2490314 defines it.

A good example of this is conceptart.org, where most of the artists are so amazing that they'd put a few old masters to shame, but only a handful of works make you feel anything.

>>2489920
it may not be visually appealing, but I can definitely appreciate what I think it's getting at

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>>2490750
The >>2490596 picture is actually the inspiration for these photos. And there's also a movie that's based on these photos.

>>2490755
>God, living in a place like this feels like living nowhere.
It's rural Massachusetts so pretty much.

>>2490737
Well, I think it can be analogous to movies in a way. Sometimes a movie that has a simple plot can be fine to watch, but I still think there is aesthetic value in trying to make something increasingly deeper or have more detail; kind of like the difference between a Kubrick film and the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

Both things are very popular and thought of as great by very different kinds of people, but it's pretty clear that the aesthetic vision of their respective directors is quite different, and their attention to detail is different as well.

I simply think skill *can* potentially help with beauty, such as for example Bernini's sculptures. It's pretty clear to me that his sculptures wouldn't sway me the same way if he wasn't such a master of his craft.

>>2489980
Mondriaan a shit
De Stijl a shit

>>2490314

Why should it matter that it is created? This idea that art requires an artist is so last century.

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>>2490762
I agree, great art comes when skill and "message" form a cohesive whole. MCU is a great example. I love cape movies, but they're often held back by the politics/process of big budget studio movies and are only great when they manage to mitigate the negative effects of what they are.

>>2490795
Last good capeshit movie was Burton's second Batman.

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>>2489839

>>2490424
>>2490427
His sense of perspective is terrible.

>>2490071

this kind of stuff makes me prefer traditional Islamic societies to mine. This point has been reached.

>>2490839
I do not appreciate it, but there's no reason to get upset about it. It doesn't hurt anyone, unlike Islamic societies.

>>2490848

I was a bit edgy there sorry.

>>2490068
Sounds like the Nordics are dumb for not being able to think outside 1 dimensional thinking

>>2490829
I think you are missing the point of art.

>>2490839
National Socialism is the way to go. In a good society, people like that would be executed.
>>2490848
The point of contemporary art is to lower morale and install nihilism in the masses. Beauty is the enemy of the left.

>>2490165
shut the fuck up libtard

>>2490633
>>2490635
>>2490640
>>2490646
>>2490663
>>2490703

Am i the only one who loves these?

I'm European, not american and there's just something so cozy about all these, like I wanna live and grow old in these sorts of places.

>>2490165
>hurr just because you can do something means you should
The problem with contemporary artists is that they are essentially uncreative people. They need a strong authority figure to tell them what to value, and, lacking that, they look to repudiate the values they perceive as coming before (beauty, logic, intellectual interest). This is adolescent, but contemporary artists are too mentally weak to figure out what they themselves value. That would require too much sincerity and courage.

>>2489998
kys
De Stijl is amazing in how they became a group of mathematicians, architects, painters, carpenters etc. all with the same aesthetic idea.

>>2490855
>Uses Google Image search to try to find the name of the defaced monument.
>Google returns "Best guess for this image: 4chan"
That can't be right, 4chan was always shit.

>>2490657
>Nearly empty 4 lane street in daylight...
>Car in middle of intersection...
>Driver, gone.
No idea why...

>>2490635

I swear I saw this corner in a movie about a crack addict boxer.

>>2490633

Oh, look, it's Peter Parker home.

>>2490923
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxWSFfPcyTY

>>2490987
At first I thought the image was suggesting the bum in the middle had sold his pants to the thrift store to buy more liquor.

Was disappoint when I zoomed in and saw he still had his pants.

>>2491000

Looks like he's phasing out lol.

>>2489839
That's actually funny as fuck

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>>2490932
Your inability to relate to modern art has more to do with you being autistic than them being uncreative.

>They need a strong authority figure to tell them what to value, and, lacking that, they look to repudiate the values they perceive as coming before (beauty, logic, intellectual interest).

The vast majority of great masters and premodern artists were either commissioned artisans or worked under religious authorities. Most of the sculptures in the post you're defending were either of rich people, or the gods they praised.

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>>2491052
>The majority of uneducated people are autistic

>>2490071
Human Centipede in real life.

>>2490071
Human Centipede in real life.
Replace these with politicians.

>>2490071
how do people grow up to be like this?
How were they as childs?
Ive been to plenty of different countries in europe mostly, but those type of people can only be found in protestant countries.
They dress bad, and usually dont understand colour or form, but want to be defined as"artsy", it feels like "being part" of something is more important than practising said part...
man im confused...

>>2490314
and those said feelings should be positive human feelings as happiness, pride or whatever, its easy to create a piece of disgust. I think alot of people get away with creating shit pieces that ((((impart a feeeellliiing)))), that feeling being disgust or just repelling.
classical pieces create a feeling of amazement and respect for the artists work, the skill and detail required to create one.

inb4
>muh subjective fuulings

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this

>>2490759
what do you think its getting at? Because im completely lost.

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Fractals desu

>>2491287
Looks like genital herpes

>>2489839
who is this semen demon?

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>>2491294
All the good ones are >4mb

>>2491251
I feel for the guy but look at the scales, i mean they are kinda gay and all over the place, the main part of the dragon is not even shown, if it was a masterpeice then sure give it its own space, but that shitty tree someone carved into a "cool" half finished dragon? Of course that will go with the guy sucking dick sculptures

>>2491251
>Didn't even finish the sculpture
>has the audacity to complain when it's put in a gallery with everyone else's artwork from the class

I'd like to see the rest of the dragon. You can spend DAYS hand carving a fucking TREE into a goddamn bedside table, or a bust of John Belushi, or fucking anything. That doesn't mean it'll look or function well.

>>2490966
place de la republique paris

>>2491357
>>2490855
This shit happens every couple of years and every couple of years they clean it up.
It's been clean for a couple of months now, update your fake news

>>2491052
Your post doesn't refute anything.

Postmodernists have no historical understanding and reductively dismiss everything that came before Duchamp as "traditional". Every bad artist rallies against "cold, restictive" technique.

In my personal canon of art I'd probably put:
Sandro Botticelli
Leonardo da Vinci
Michelangelo
Raphael
Albrecht Dürer
El Greco
Diego Velázquez
Rembrandt
Eugene Delacroix
JMW Turner
Edouard Manet
Vincent Van Gogh
Pablo Picasso

All of these painters are the best and most essential in their respective fields. You cannot go wrong in studying them.

>>2491379
what fake news?
what are you talking about?
what you said was worst than any fake news you said that this happens every 2 years that's fucking pathetic
the penalty for desecrating monuments should be death

>>2490071
>hair guy kissing the hairy butt...which also belongs to a guy
>drive-heaved a bit

10/10 /his/ I thought I was desensitized.

>>2490071
>>2491456
It all seem down to luck
The guy on the foreground has his face in a qt's ass, but the guy behind him has his nose in said guy's hairy ass

>>2491424
No.

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>>2489839
4deep5u
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RM1oTw6fPg

>>2490755
The stupid "tumblr style" of cartooning legitimately makes me angry looking at it

>>2490264
Because art exists in reality and outside reality. Reality is just a subset of Art.

>>2491761
really profound stuff.

>>2490759
what do you think its getting at

>>2490264
>If everything can be art, how can art be anything ?
art specifically refers to something created by an artist

>>2490760
The movie based on >>2490596's painting is better

>>2490855
that graffiti was done after the paris attack, a lot of the messages on it were specifically about that

it has since been cleaned up despite the objections of many who felt the defacing of that monument was historically significant in its own right

>>2491251
>tripfag
he deserved much worse desu

>>2491761
there has never been a good piece of performance art

>>2490071
>That QT in the background.

Modern art needs to be destroyed.

>>2491761
This is so fucking hipster that hurts to watch.

>le modern art am i right my fellow redditors? xD

>>2489839
This sculpture is the psyche of 95% of people in this website.

>>2492560
?
Is it already cool to be counter-counter modern art?
Times are changing fast

>>2492449
>>2492449

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/teenager-stabs-death-onstage-open-mic-night-front-shocked-crowd-coffee-shop-article-1.116121

>>2492591
being disgusted by modern art has existed since its beginning

>>2491251
>unfinished pile of garbage
>finished pile of garbage
>both are made with people with probably overinflated egos
Carving a tree into a sculpture isn't impressive, the actual sculpture is, and if the rest of his sculpture isn't in frame then i'd ask why he took such a shit photo.

>>2491424
>the penalty for desecrating monuments should be death
>being this much of an autist

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>>2490071
WHAD DA FUGGGGGG(((((((

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>>2492448

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>>2490822
delet

>>2490932
It's not mental weakness there's just no point to creativity or imagination. They're not necessary to art

>>2491416
El Greco is underrated.

Anyone who thinks realistic art can't be beautifully stylized should look at his stuff.

Conceptual modern art is filth though.

>>2492650
Unfortunately none of this permeates the art schools and art critic circles, where the orthodoxy of modernism still predominates.

>>2491500
>>2492667
Do you really think it's acceptable to deface public buildings?

Why do we tolerate this low level criminality from ingrates in the west? We used to cane motherfuckers for this sort of shit. Singapore and other places that don't have grafitti problems still do.

Labor camps for the leftists!

>>2491416
They kind of do have a historical understanding, i.e. they understand their own historical moment

>>2490264
>If we're all human, then no one is human

>>2492609
rude desu, if you're gonna kill yourself atleast have the decency to do it out of anyone's sight

>>2492782
>Unfortunately none of this permeates the art schools and art critic circles, where the orthodoxy of modernism still predominates.

Technically no, 'modernism' hasn't been relevant since the 60s. But to engage with your actual point, why would art schools and critics not allow contemporary practice to predominate?

>>2492782
>only leftists deface monuments
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/another-jewish-cemetery-vandalized-philadelphia-anti-semitism/

>>2492813
http://www.fakehatecrimes.org/reports

Looks like another fake to me.

>>2492808
>why would art schools and critics not allow contemporary practice to predominate?

Clever sleight of hand, but it's not something that rises up from out of the ether, it is something that is enforced by a very specific view of art history.

Are you a leftist, out of interest?

>>2492845
>Looks like another fake to me.
based on what exactly?

>>2492845
>anything that goes against my assumptions is obviously a hoax
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

>>2492856
>>2492851
>>2492845
>>2492813
Stop turning this thread into another political circlejerk, you fucking cunts

>>2492845
>it is something that is enforced by a very specific view of art history.

I'd struggle to find any movement or style that isn't. Contemporary art, to me, is something that reveals how society and ideas are constructed in this way. To get mad at contemporary art for doing this seems a little short-sighted.

>Are you a leftist

Not sure what this means

>>2492864
excuse me?

>>2492875
>Contemporary art, to me, is something that reveals how society and ideas are constructed in this way.

And yet it always seems to draw the same conclusions, broadly speaking, from the same political vein. Repeatedly. Over and over again. Ad nauseum. Points about "othering" and "being an outsider" and "diversity" and "inclusiveness" and so on.

What's important for you (and other leftists) to understand is that what you believe draws upon a tiny portion of not just thought in general, but western thought too, a couple of hundred years at most - although usually more like 60 or so.

Now the problem technically, with contemporary art, is not that it exhibits poor craftsmanship and bad motor functions and so on. Nor that it even seeks to explore certain concepts (art has always done this).

It is that it cannot convey these concepts to its audience in a comprehensible manner without the aid of a few sides of A4 text.

In other words, it has failed at its purpose. It may as well have been an essay in the first place.

>>2490807
I liked the first Spiderman with Tony Whatever

>>2492897
>And yet it always seems to draw the same conclusions, broadly speaking, from the same political vein.

As leftism? Sure -- I don't think anyone has any issue with acknowledging the post-Marxist influence on contemporary art practice. It was avant-garde in the 60s and 70s but it has found its place participating in the art market, despite some artist's strategies of working around that fact. Does contemporary art need a shake-up? Sure, but the thing about it is that it allows for such things to occur. Contemporary art is a free space for art of any kind, form, style, medium, etc. It's ideological, yes, but also anti-ideology -- at least 'anti-ideology' is its ideology regardless of whether it recognises it as such.

>In other words, it has failed at its purpose. It may as well have been an essay in the first place.

Not necessarily, but I agree that art is limited by its frames, whether physical, spatial, contextual, etc. But it's not that it has failed, just that its purpose hasn't been realised yet. I believe the 'avant-garde' side of postmodern practice is to lead more and more towards emancipation. Highlighting in a kind of anthropological way how ideology impedes this project is one strategy. But it's kind of like allowing fields to go fallow.

I think contemporary art, free of the market and its influences, totally committed to actualising the Western thought it is built upon, resembles something like what the Situationist International were getting at. Marxist, absolutely, in an emancipatory sense. The decompartmentalisation of art and life. A true, actual engagement with everyday life free of conscious imposition.

That's only a single intellectual project though, in accordance with the unrealised principles of the society which allows it. The one thing you can say about art is there isn't only one thing you can say about art.

>>2493030
>Sure, but the thing about it is that it allows for such things to occur.

Only insofar as they still conform to certain ideological channels. It's like saying "well, a Europe dominated by fascism could allow for some deviation in artistic theme and ideology between monarchism, strasserism and national socialism".

>I don't think anyone has any issue with acknowledging the post-Marxist influence on contemporary art practice.

It's not about acknowledgment. They're not even conscious that this is political ideology in the first place. The invisibility of liberalism in the west is so absolute that it dominates the way people think and feel in a completely unconscious way. Even if you explained it to people such as them/yourself, you wouldn't grasp it, since you cannot conceptualize of realities outside of leftist ones existing except in the realms of madmen/pathologies and binary moralities (good/evil).

>But it's not that it has failed, just that its purpose hasn't been realised yet.

Terrible rhetorical sleight of hand. Again.

If it fails to convey the much vaunted meaning through the piece itself to its audience, it has failed not just by some subjective standard, but by the very definition of what contemporary artists define art to be.

>emancipation

Emancipation from what?

>I think contemporary art, free of the market

A huge portion of contemporary art can simply not survive without the high end art buyers' market. It was Jewish art dealers and critics who turned the likes of Hirst into big moneymakers in the first place. You're getting far too close to biting the hand that feeds you friend. If art were left to the masses, they'd overwhelmingly return it to traditional norms outside of a few pockets of leftists here and there. Do NOT kid yourself. Most people are "reactionaries" deep down.

>>2491702
the real art is jude law in those pope robes

>>2493083
>Only insofar as they still conform to certain ideological channels

The ideology of 'anti-ideology', though. But yes the dominance of buyers (and their taste) is a problem in contemporary art, but it's not something that arises out of the theory of art itself, just the imposition of the society on its practice. It has been this way for 30 - 40 years and it will probably change soon if the decline of neoliberalism is a) true and b) any indication. We'll be fighting over its corpse.

We've come to understand just how pervasive neoliberalism is in recent years. Brexit, Trump, etc. are reactions to this -- so is the increasing leftist extremism and disavowal of neoliberal globalism embodied by Hillary (especially so after she lost). The system is inadequate and both the right and the left see that. This sea change will affect the arts too.

>They're not even conscious that this is political ideology in the first place.

In terms of art historians, curators, etc. I think they are aware of the ideology. I'm speaking on their behalf -- of the historical moment and those educated in the arts and its place in those moments -- rather than the mindless art grad. But that's not to say there are artists unaware of the society in which they practice. Just that generally speaking contemporary art builds on the legacy of institutional critique, anti-form, etc. from 60 years ago, and is still fundamentally that avant-garde at its core even if in the history books 99% of art made today falls by the wayside.

>Terrible rhetorical sleight of hand.

Again, not necessarily. I'm addressing the concerns you raise about contemporary art. Your problem is that post-object art has somehow failed because it relies on a qualifying context the work itself lacks. I agree, but it's not a failure of the whole artistic enterprise, i.e. total inadequacy of the theory to self-actualise. It just hasn't achieved its end goal yet because it is 'lost' in a way by impositions outside its control

>>2493083
>Emancipation from what?

Conscious imposition and even material imposition. Ideology. Etc. The surrealist legacy on contemporary art cannot be understated. SI as well. Postmodernism, photography. They're all about a resolution of ideas.

>>2493160
>The ideology of 'anti-ideology', though.

No my delusional friend. Prioritizing equality as an axiomatic good is an ideology, just as prioritizing hierarchy (e.g. Confucianism) would be.

>This sea change will affect the arts too.

Doubtful. Likely the arts will regurgitate the same hackneyed messages about diversity and tolerance they've been doing for decades.

>I think they are aware of the ideology.

If they're aware of it, they see it as part of a process of historical materialism. They definitely do not see it from a distance as one competing ideology among many, not destined to win out. They certainly do not see the belief in equality and individual freedom as one ideology among many.

>it relies on a qualifying context

Not just context, but the entire concept. This is a crucial distinction.

>>2493180
>Prioritizing equality as an axiomatic good is an ideology

I don't think you're paying attention to what I'm saying. Maybe it's because you characterise me as a leftist you think I am arguing from the perspective of a leftist. Closer scrutiny should have you conclude otherwise.

I used quotes for a reason, because it references from the point I made previously about the ideology of anti-ideology. Yes, not many people -- let alone artists -- see society for what it is; duplicitous. No one wants to know that the institutions in favour of racial equality are in themselves inherently white supremacist because it perpetuates the same inequality it is supposed to fight against. Prison guards with black faces.

>They certainly do not see the belief in equality and individual freedom as one ideology among many.

I think they want to take the current ideological project to its logical conclusion. But there is a self-awareness required to do this. Then maybe something like May 68 will happen again and will interrupt that project, then something like conventional 'postmodernism' will happen 10 years later after we get certain texts published in English. No one will stop until its complete, as long as it is the dominant ideology. Autocritique isn't a problem at all -- no one wants to have flaws, neither does an ideology.

>>2493199
>No one wants to know that the institutions in favour of racial equality are in themselves inherently white supremacist

Nothing in our society is white supremacist. If it were, we wouldn't be dealing with our present demographic woes.

>Autocritique isn't a problem at all

The problem is it is autocritique on its own terms and within its own axioms, which are untouchable.

>>2493083
>A huge portion of contemporary art can simply not survive without the high end art buyers' market. It was Jewish art dealers and critics who turned the likes of Hirst into big moneymakers in the first place. You're getting far too close to biting the hand that feeds you friend. If art were left to the masses, they'd overwhelmingly return it to traditional norms outside of a few pockets of leftists here and there. Do NOT kid yourself. Most people are "reactionaries" deep down.
Would art return to academy romanticism? A quick Google shows that the Warhol and Ai Wei Wei previous summer blockbuster exhibition at the NGV, a gallery I go to semi-regularly, was a record breaker. MoNA reputedly brings double figures to the Tasmanian economy.

>>2490071
is this a reference to Salo?

>>2493209
>If it were, we wouldn't be dealing with our present demographic woes.

There wouldn't be woes if it wasn't. Our ideology doesn't fully commit to its fundamental core. There's still a whiteness about it, which is revealed by our neoliberal, global tendencies. Market everything, use local populations in foreign countries to produce our goods, minorities are all good people and secretly white liberals.

>autocritique on its own terms

Yeah it can only function within the ideology that allows it. Is that what you mean? Of course there are other ideologies, some of which perceived not to allow autocritique and the eventual realisation of the principles of the ideology. An ideological view, of course.

>>2490018
lighten up, that's awesome

>>2493230
>A quick Google shows that the Warhol and Ai Wei Wei previous summer blockbuster exhibition at the NGV, a gallery I go to semi-regularly, was a record breaker.

These things are more akin to personality marketing more than anything else. Ai Weiwei is the heroic Chinese dissident and so on. It's more selling him and the idea of his DEEP social commentary on contemporary China. I wouldn't say it's indicative of any widespread love of contemporary art.

If it is, let's pull the plug on subsidies for contemporary art-related ventures, no?

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there's plenty of good contemporary stuff out there, probably more than in any time in history. you just don't know about it because not only does the best stuff take a while to get sorted out, but you don't even look in the first place.

>>2491296
underrated

>>2493230
>Would art return to academy romanticism?

Not him but film and television seems to fulfill the purposes sought by any academicism or romanticism. I wouldn't rule out the possibility but a lot would have to change for this to happen. Paint doesn't seem to be an adequate medium anymore.

>>2491251

>it took me a long time, therefore it's better

When will this meme die? Get me one of those massive industrial rolls of paper, a warehouse floor and a pallet of pencils. I'll spend the next 60 years slowly drawing a wavy line along the middle of the page until I die. Apparently that'll be the best artwork ever created.

>>2489920
The west also recognizes that Kanye album cover.

>>2489920
Sad that his popularity isn't just indicative of a love of shitty pop art, it's indicative of foreigner-worship too.

>>2493253
So all those attendees are just chucked by marketing and you are the free thinker blowing it all wide open? OK f a m

>>2493253
>If it is, let's pull the plug on subsidies for contemporary art-related ventures, no?
No. I very much enjoy the fruits of arts funding, I would not want to give up cheap tickets for the orchestra, thinking.

>>2493326
>No. I very much enjoy the fruits of arts funding, I would not want to give up cheap tickets for the orchestra, thinking.

Funding for traditional arts can remain. Orchestra, Shakespeare, Ballet etc.

But Liv Goldshekel's performance art about modern day apartheid? Not so much.

>>2493345
What about funding for contemporary compositions, or performances of historical works by Jews?

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>>2493382
>post-schoenberg (((classical music)))

>>2493392
(((Schoenberg)))

>>2493392
you're just plain ignorant if you don't think there are incredible contemporary classical artists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR3xvae-nIE

that being said, classical is like rock. it's explored and largely solved. many of the greatest musical minds today work in analogue electronic.

>>2491052
>Religion is bad
*tips ugly fucking hat that this dumb fuck wears ironically*

You aren't post-modern, you're a tool.

It's non-creation. It's trash.
>>2491251
I've always thought the dragon looks ugly, look at how straight that tail is.

>>2493409
Wrong.

Rock isn't music.

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>>2491251
That poor image has been through hell and back in the last 5 years. Here's a less compressed screencap for anyone thinking of saving it. Please, do your part and treat your images gently.

>>2493409
>incredible contemporary classical artists.
>atonality
>discordant noise

How's the weather in Tel Aviv?

>it's explored and largely solved

No. Stuff like rock, which has basically been the same few chords over and over again on filthy instruments like the electric guitar: That has been explored because the possibilities are very limited to begin with.

The possibilities of an orchestra or even a string quartet are multiplied many times. There's a lot more that could be done.

There are some good electronic composers around today though.

>>2493427
>carves a dragon out of a tree
>admits it wasn't finished
>doesn't even show a photo of it
>a fucking dragon
hmmm
really twongles my plingplongs

>>2493437
>The possibilities of an orchestra or even a string quartet are multiplied many times
and the possibilities of analogue electronic, which include all possibilities of classical orchestra and more, are multiplied even exponentially compared to orchestra and rock. that is why many of the most incredible musicians of our time have abandoned the extreme limitations of physical instruments and performance, and moved into the electronic spectrum. the difference is nearly as severe as black and white vs color.

>atonality
>discordant noise
finally, something interesting coming out of a stale genre. "discordant" is an opinion, and "atonal" is relative only to an abstract set of "rules". glad they are being abandoned in favor of exploring what is possible in reality, instead of what is possible within the confines of an imaginary box. of course people make a bunch of crap, but there's some great stuff going on. I feel as though people who believe otherwise, don't look.

>>2493543
>"discordant" is an opinion

No it isn't. You understand nothing about music theory or even the science behind noise itself if you think concordant and discordant are arbitrary.

Now, back to your gay rock music and four chord songs faggot.

>>2493568
>You understand nothing about music theory
an arbitrary set of rules? I was already talking about that. it's great for learning how to make western music sound great to western people, due to cultural context, that's it. I'm well educated in it even, been playing classical guitar for over a decade, I understand you're referring to rules on dissonance in western theory. what you fail to understand is the subjectivity as to whether there is anything inherently wrong or "bad" sounding about using such frequencies simultaneously. you ought to be embarrassed, thinking there is any objectivity in what is dissonant. you should also be embarrassed in thinking use of discordance is new at all. bach was particularly talented at putting discordant melodies in a context that causes them to become beautiful.

>>2493717
>It's novel therefore it's good

This is the cancer that killed art, architecture and music more than anything else

Neophiliac drones searching for their next dopamine novelty hit.

>>2493735
yawn, and it comes down to a straw man. what you're implying I'm saying doesn't even resemble my argument. a lazy straw man.

how is art dead? the only reason you would think it is, is if you look on the surface. do you think what you hear on the radio represents the best of music being created? what you see in the gallery being the best of sculpture and painting? what you see at the cinema the best of film? in my experience, I hear crap on the radio, see crap at galleries and watch crap at cinema. these are all economic productions, not meticulously crafted pieces by artists who are rigid and passionate. look under the surface. just like many artists in the past, many today will not be appreciated until well after their death.

>>2493735
He literally said discordance wasn't new.

Also the search for ever-increasing newness was a concern of modern art rather than postmodern. Art isn't dead since it survived when modernism passed.

>>2492449

>there has never been a good piece of performance art

What about me being myself in public every day

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Have you accepted Vilppu as your lord and savior?

>>2493427

>artist

>equivalent of a drooling retard

kek what an autist

>>2491251
A dragon? Gay.

>>2490068
Interestingly enough, modern art was pushed by the CIA as a psyop against the commies

>>2490071
>white people

>>2494158
wow, who knew the cia used time travel to go back to the 1870s
what other things did they change?

>>2494196

He's retarded so he's mistaking the postmodern movement with modernism.

It was postmodernism that was pushed as a psyop weapon.

>>2494198
proofs?

>>2494201

https://www.google.com/amp/gizmodo.com/5686753/how-the-cia-spent-secret-millions-turning-modern-art-into-a-cold-war-arsenal/amp

http://www.osborne-conant.org/email2/chicago-pomo.htm

https://www.google.com/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/modern-art-was-cia-weapon-1578808.html%3Famp

Basically, the theory was that if they could make a movement where anything can mean whatever you want it to mean and have it become the norm, the population would fracture and argue with each other preventing any real united front.

>>2494213
Gizmodo references The Independent article, so presumably the former is almost wholly based on the latter, it's the same source twice. The Independent article states that Abstract Expressionism, a modernist movement, was championed by the CIA through beneficiaries during the 50 sand 60s. The William Osbourne editorial states the same, and blames (((elite financial interests))) and (((global capitalism))) for pushing post-modernism.

>>2494262

Your point? You asked for proof that the CIA funded this stuff, so I gave you the proof. I don't give a shit what some guy in an editorial said the motives were. All I did was provide the proof you asked for.

>>2494273
I asked for proof to your claim that the CIA pushed post-modernism "as a psyop weapon". You gave me articles which said that Abstract Expressionism (a modernist movement) was championed by the CIA.

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>>2492771
I saw this at the cincinatti art museum yesterday, or at least one of them. It looks like he made at least two of this same painting from what I can find on google, and I think the less "fine" one is the one I got to see. Really cool either way though I haven't ever seen famous historical art in person before. Supposedly the museum also had something from botticelli, and in a renaissance room I saw an info card for the painting on the wall but not the actual painting. Maybe they had it hidden.

>>2494281

Yeah and it also says why they championed it. The point was to be a psyop weapon. The CIA (and other organizations) had a lot of this stuff going on. The most famous being MKULTRA.

>>2494292
But is AbEx pomo? No. It is a (single) modernist movement popular during the 50s and 60s.

>>2489980
>mondrian
>modern

>>2490040
unironically this

>>2494480
WTF?

>>2494480
>Cubism isn't part of modernism
I want to laugh at you but I'm more confused than anything else.

>>2490676
Yes? Doesn't change you're using the word "virtue signalling" wrong. All human culture activity isn't virtue signalling. Otherwise you'd have to argue that people shitposting on /pol/ are doing nothing but virtue signalling all day.

>>2491052
>The vast majority of great masters and premodern artists were either commissioned artisans or worked under religious authorities. Most of the sculptures in the post you're defending were either of rich people, or the gods they praised.

His point seems to be that this situation was better

>>2494633
>Otherwise you'd have to argue that people shitposting on /pol/ are doing nothing but virtue signalling all day.

Are you saying they aren't?

>>2490427
kek i am very soon to buy a BHP

>>2494621
>Cubism
m8, you're as lost as him

>>2494213
>Basically, the theory was that if they could make a movement where anything can mean whatever you want it to mean and have it become the norm, the population would fracture and argue with each other preventing any real united front.

Why would the CIA fracture its own population?

Also 'mean whatever you want it to mean' seems to contradict Greenberg's writing on Abstract Expressionism.

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>>2493412
>*tips ugly fucking hat that this dumb fuck wears ironically*
I'm arguing the exact opposite.
>>2491208
>and those said feelings should be positive human feelings as happiness, pride or whatever,
Nazis made TONS of artwork and propaganda meant to inspire disgust.

>>2490071
Who could be behind this post?

>>2493810
he isn't wrong

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Postmodernism is shit but modernist sculpture is great, pic related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qwkaOVZ9uw

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>>2489839
Every David Lynch movie

worst thing about art after Picasso. You can't just bask in the mastery of craftsmanship.

https://u.nya.is/thqsdp.webm

>>2498290
Picasso was technically skilled though

>>2498429
that is why i said AFTER Picasso.

>>2490018
thats from the Guggenheim

>>2490923
im american and it looks cozy to me as well
sadly though places that look like these are chock full of criminals

>>2490071
>that jew smiling in the bottom corner

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>This whole thread

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>>2498290
>You can't just bask in the mastery of craftsmanship.

Artisans still exist. They're literally more common than ever. 4chan loves to complain about edgy performance artists and avant-garde paintings/exhibits, but those are like 0.00001% of artists nowadays.

>>2500327
Being open minded about art makes modern living 5 times better, fucking IDEOLOGY.

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>>2490040
DELET THIS

>>2490018
There's a bull and a matador dueling in the sky

>>2499584
Actually no, they are chock full of poor whites.

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>>2490071
>>2490080
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>>2491175
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>>2499607

>they don't get it

your ignorance is hilarious

>>2491456
Neo-4chan is "muh degeneracy" /pol/, not "for the lulz" old /b/

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photos are art, right?

>>2490071
lmao at that woman at the bottom smiling because she knows how stupid and pretentious this is

>>2491259
kek

>>2502099
Context

>>2504201
Photoshop

>>2502099
Fuck this is sad she looks drugged

>>2504204
Where is the pic of her like that from still she has couple dollars in her boobie

>>2489839
See that can't be 'modern art' because I can tell what it is.

>>2504217
>>2504217
It's a jizzomancer

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>>2489839
>contemporary art is shi-

>>2490154
I like that. It's a great visual condemnation of empiricism.

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>>2490071
What the fuck is this

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFb_AERKha8

Is art music?

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>when people say modern art is no worse than art from 100 years ago

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>>2500327

>>2504931
>implying art from 100 years ago isn't modern
Try 200 years faggot.

>>2504960
what were you trying to achieve with this post

>>2504964
Educating you.

>>2490075
so is it the same lounge? both of them look nice

>>2502059
teach me

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>>2491416
>no Barque
>no Monet
>no Léger

>>2493392
Tabula Rasa is a masterpiece.

>>2505518
I'm laughing so hard I woke my dog

>>2491251
>all these Anons criticizing the guys dragon sculpture, not realizing that the guy in the picture is raging at the motif if the sculpture ( a guy sucking his own dick), not the skill of the sculpting in question.

A dragon is neat, a guy sucking his own dick is just disgusting and not neat. Dragons have interesting mythology behind them, dude-sucking-dick is just sodomy. That's the point

>>2505586
Sodomy means anus penetration

>>2490314
Explain aestheticism nigga. That shits art for the sake of art.

>>2490071
>all have that textbook nu-male beard

everything went downhill after expressionism

>>2505518
This is fucking degenerate. Whoever made this needs to be brutally tortured and kill.

I am being 100% serious. Anyone who can force such ugliness on the world DOES NOT deserve to live. They NEED to die.

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>>2505518
This is slightly disturbing.

>>2507085
Wait till you see the rest of the video. (Someone link it)

>>2505518
Everyday we stray further from God's light

>>2507252
*toward

>>2507232
Haha okay. (Someone else do it tho)

>>2509103
I didn't notice it was a webm, so yeah, you pretty much saw what i was referring to.

>>2490071
Is that the singer from clutch

>>2489839
I feel like this really captures the theme of unity through dick.

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>>2490901
>Beauty is the enemy of the left.
Then why are all good artists lefties?

>>2490018
This is hilarious.

>>2490381
It has been explicitly used as and in art, yes.

Are you going to tell me all those Tea Partyer stageplays where they waterboarded each other pretending to be Obongo's secret police aren't in some way artistic?

>>2506150
>TRIGGERED

>>2506150
Anglos created it.

>needs to be brutally tortured and kill
Anglos deserve this collectively.

>>2490923
I'm with you, anon.

>>2491142
The majority of people will find at least one piece of contemporary art they find meaningful.

That in itself is enough.

Protip: even people who passive-aggressively paint in manners they consider somehow traditional or western are themselves partaking in contemporary art.

>>2494868
A fractured populace is less likely to unite and overthrow a regime unless conditions are suitably negative.

If everyone knows things are bad, but everyone blames a different problem, then there's a much higher likelihood they'll charge off in wildly different directions and avoid organization or consensus.

>>2493279
That actually sounds like a pretty profound art piece. Almost like it would be reflective of the span of a human life, or perhaps the passage of time itself. I'd buy it tbqh.

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>>2509982
Literally buying someone's life's work.

>>2505586
If the guy ducking his own dick has a message and a purpose it is infinitely more valuable than a dragon that only aims to look cool. Obviously comboning the two is ideal, but the message comes before the matter in art.

>bunch of pseuds pretends to be intellectual by jerking off to academism, aka art movement that was considered boring by 1850s
what a good thread

If your piece of art takes no skill, effort, and makes no attempt to be understood then i don't give a shit about it.
Your message would probably be better conveyed if you fucking wrote it down on a piece of paper.

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>>2505860
Art meant to simply feel good is still art.

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I unironically admire and appreciate some Japanese fanart artists.

>>2490807
The new Logan film is actually surprisingly good

>>2510292
>hurr anything that isn't degenerate trash is le academism/formalism
>hurr naked people sucking each other's asses = Picasso LOL
Kill yourself

>>2509732
That's not true though. There were some good commie Modernists but that's it.

>>2491319
>t. Jew

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>>2491251
>symbolism as a concept just PISSES ME THE FUCK OFF
We're hitting levels of philistinism that shouldn't even be possible.