What is Franco joined the axis?

>>2487367
Is no

>>2487367

I honestly don't think it would have made much difference.

>>2487379
why?

>>2487367
Nothing changes other than Spain collapsing. There was nothing Spain could do to help the Axis win.

>>2487382

Because Spain didn't have any real Navy during that time period. All their ships were lost during the civil war in 1936–39. They would have had nothing to contribute to the Axis war effort.

>>2487395
They could have closed the Gibraltar with coastal bombardment

>>2487367
Nothing would have changed in long term, The axis would lost Africa and then Italy anyway

>>2487422
then Torch would have been on Andalucia instead of Morocco, no big deal

>>2487422
With the magic army who automatically spam in any country who join to the axis right? Spain did not have the resources to close the Gibraltar Strait

>>2487422

You have a point there. It might have been more difficult for Britain to access the Mediterranean. But the real prize is the Atlantic, and Spain had nothing which could have influenced the outcome there. Spain did have a battleship program (based on the Italian Littorio-class) but the war started before any ships were laid down, and then the plan was cancelled altogether once Franco adopted a policy of remaining neutral.

>>2487367
Spain was in bad shape after the civil war in 1939, and the Spanish people wouldn't stomach entering another war within months of their civil war. Generally a bad move if you're a new dictator trying to consolidate power.

If he did join, the exhausted Spanish military wouldn't be able to do much. Allies would've landed from near Portugal and defeat Spain with less effort than what was used on Italy.

Better question is what if Turkey joined the Axis?

>>2487473
What if they both had joined the Axis?

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>>2487473
>>2487493

What if every country joined the Axis? My god, they would have been unstoppable.

>>2487473
This, Turkey (Unlike Spain) could have changed the outcome of the war

>>2487507
You're either stupid or baiting

What if USA had joined Axis?

>>2487473

Had Germany captured Moscow by 1943 and defeated the large salient at Kharkov and was close to Baku. Then Turkey would have definitely joined in.

Turkey assists German Armies finally break the British at North Africa and gives them access to the Oil fields of Russia through /Armenia/Azerbaijan.

If Germany had started to annihilate Russia by 1944, then my theory is that quite a lot of other countries including Spain would have joined the Axis.

The British would not be able to mount field armies anywhere at this point. Spain captures Gibraltar and closes off the Mediterranean. Argentina captures the Maldives. Iran becomes an Axis satellite.

Only problem in this scenario is USA/Japan conflict.

If Japan delays US intervention by creating greater losses for the Americans at battles like Midway and Coral Sea, then USA delay comes at the cost of USSR. If this happens even if USA has nukes at this point they cannot intervene and the Axis wins.

>>2487473
why in the living fuck would Turkey do that?

>>2487464
>>2487464
Franco wanted to conquer portugal.

>>2487568

Portugal was fascist at the time, why would he want that?

From what I read, Hitler offered him parts of Pyrenee France and Morocco, but he still refused.

Id Spain joins, it seems to me that it makes germany's position weaker, not stronger.
Because then they would have to defend twice as much coastline against attacks.

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German plans :
Operation Felix
Operation Isabella
British plans :
Operation Backbone
Operation Puma

>>2487367
Then we would have a free Catalonia and Baskia today.

>>2487606
This. It's pretty much Italy 2.0

>>2487587
citation needed

>>2487676
not the other anon but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meeting_at_Hendaye

>>2487703
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meeting_at_Hendaye

"The only concrete result was the signing of a secret agreement under which Franco was committed to enter the war at a date of his own choosing, while Hitler gave only vague guarantees that Spain would receive "territories in Africa."

>>2487587
I don't believe that Portugal is fascist.

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>>2487506
What if France and Britain stay neutral, Turkey joins the French whilst America and Germany join the British. The USSR, not wanting to join either remain neutral and Japan and China form an alliance based off armed neutrality. Italy initially joins the neutral Swiss but changes to Francos side when he sees how effective his neutral policy is at avoiding war with the neutral French.

>>2487544
>Argentina captures the Maldives.
wat

>>2488407
He obviously meant Malta, duh

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>>2488395

I like it.

>>2488407

He probably meant Las Malvinas AKA The Falklands.

>>2487544
>Had Germany captured Moscow by 1943
That's a very big stretch

>>2488501
Actually it's not. But thanks to Hitler's stupidity and reserve divisions from Siberia, Moscow wasn't captured

>>2488507
>muh Siberian reserves
>muh Hitler cost the Nazis the war
>>>/pol/

>>2487544
>Then Turkey would have definitely joined in.
Hitler please, you would still be losing.
Are you implying north africa front could be turned around and won in 1943? Hitler did try but to no avail.

>annihilate Russia
>in 1944
pick one

>>2488507
Actually it is, when were the germans ever close to taking moscow outside of december 1941?