Which country in Europe is the proudest children of Roman Empire?

Broadly: Italy
Specifically: Rome and the Vatican.

/thread

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>>2483620
Germany

>>2483620
Liechtenstein

>>2483620
Russia

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>>2483620
England/France

>>2483620
Greece. Daily reminder that the Byzantine Empire was a different name for Roman Empire. Infact, the Turks still call modern Greeks "Romans", ("Rum" in Turkish).

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Venice.

>>2483683
Is the last panel alluding at Frexit?

>>2483632

Definitely Italy. Reviving European culture based on classical inspiration definitely helps argue for Italy.

>>2483620
Romania is the true successor

>>2483867
No. Italy today encompasses T*rronia, which was always an irrelevant shithole. It's Venice + Genoa + Papal States + Florence + Savoy.

>>2483620
France, probably. Or England if it counts (and it kind of should).

Though Spain did a better job of fundamentally changing the nature of the people it conquered, which was a merry old Roman tradition.

>>2483866
The comic was made before Brexit.

>>2483797
Only anatolian greeks though.

Sweden.

>>2484757
Spanish history is actually somewhat similar to Roman history.

>start as a small kingdom surrounded by two large powers
>gradually expand until you control your whole peninsula
>start expanding overseas within the Mediterranean (Spain even held Sicily, Rome's first overseas expansion, at the time)
>expand to the "new lands" at the West, conquer and steal silver from them (Spain was Rome's new frontier where it could steal silver form, funnily enough).
>your generals go down into history along with the regions they conquer, almost as if they single had succeeded single-handedly
>Create a ridiculously large Empire that's very hard to maintain.
>Split your holdings to manage them better
>Still lose them anyway
>Have a chronically corrupt government
>Have protests/revolts/revolutions/civil wars/dictatorships every Tuesday (France is similar too in this regard).

>>2483620
The United States.

>>2484757
>Spain did a better job of fundamentally changing the nature of the people it conquered
Giving the D to native women made mestizos just adopt their father's culture.

>>2484801
And Spains monarchy has the rights to claim Constantinople.

WE ROME NOW

The UK.

>>2484819
>And Spains monarchy has the rights to claim Constantinople.
They what now?

Argentina.

>>2484801
One of my history teachers, who has a doctorate from loyola, strongly believes Spain is the true successor to the Roman Empire, not the Ottomans or anyone else.

USA = Rome

>>2484824
Iirc either one of the Catholic Monarchs of Spain, Isabella or Ferdinand, bought the tittle to a heir of the Empire

>>2484757
England is a red headed step child of the Roman Empire and counts no more than any of the other countries Rome touched.

Its definitely Italy, you could make a case for France, but its not England.

>>2484839
Ferdinand bought the title of king of Jerusalem not Constantinaple

>>2484836
The similarities between the US and Rome are also worth noting.

>Grow pathologically averse to monarchies and create a Republic (this one is by design though).
>Expand until you thoroughly dominate your immediate environment.
>The Republic slowly becomes corrupt, beginning to serve the interest of the oligarchic elite
>Social tensions escalate for decades
>Fight the Germans a couple of times, and also receive waves of migration from them
>Get into pointless and expensive wars in the Middle East with nothing to show for it
If the US transitions into an autocracy within the next century, it will literally be Rome.

>>2484834
Funny. The Asturian/Leonese/Castilian kings believed themselves to be the inheritors of the Visigothic kingdom of Toledo. Rome was largely associated with pre-Christian paganism.

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Turkey

>>2484843
>Italy
>the most hilarious joke when it comes to fighting wars
>barely even created a post-Roman empire
Definitely France then.

>>2484860
>If the US transitions into an autocracy within the next century, it will literally be Rome.

I'd say its been moving in that direction ever since control over the Nukes was given to the President.

>>2484869
I think we need to define what "Proudest Children" means then.

>>2484872
Why would Rome be proud of modern day Italy if it never followed its footsteps?

>>2484863
Leon did. Castillians took their pride through being free men. And always hated the idea of an imperial authority like Leon. This is one of the main reasons behind the independence of Castile from Leon

>>2483620
Would Romans be weaboos if they lived in modern times?

France, Spain and Italy are the most weaboo countries in Europe.

And Latin America is also notoriously weaboo.

I can't shake the feeling that there's a connection.

>>2484883
I didn't realize we were defining it as conquering and expansion. If thats what we're referring to, I change my answer to Spain.

>>2484891
Not necessarily conquering and expansion, just "behaving more like Rome", which stereotypically includes conquest, war, law, engineering, instability and corruption.

I mean, I'm not OP, but that's my take on in anyway.

>>2484898
Not him but:

>conquest
Spain
>war
France
>law
France
>engineering
France?
>instability
Spain
>corruption
Spain

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>>2483683
I cringed, I keked, I cried.

>>2484905
Why is literally everyone but the guy wearing black?

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>>2483683
Always makes me emotional

>>2483866
The comic was made far before Brrexit/Frexit

It's about the English and French revolting against the Euro-German tyranny

>>2484903
>war
>France

>>2484911
Black is a very common colour for cheap bikinis in France.

>>2484903
In all honesty, all of them are pretty close.

>>2483683
What was the first time England and France fought together?

>>2484929
Against Spain multiple times

>>2484918
Did you mean to write "I am retarded", but spelled it wrong?

>>2484918
History didn't begin in WWII.

>>2484929
In the comic? I think it's a crusade.

>>2484929

The Crusades

>>2484929
First Crusade i think

The picture show the flag of the Plantagenet and Capétiens

>>2484936
>>2484945
>Be France
>Hold 1/2 of the population of Western Europe
>Get BTFO constantly despite outnumbering the population all your neighbours combined
>Lose more wars than any other country
>To raise your pathetic war record declare war on African shitholes and Vietnam
>Declare yourselve good at war
>Get BTFO by a bunch of German rednecks
>Form a huge coallition against Germany
>Still gets BTFO
>Surrender
La France

>>2483903
Milan?

>>2484968
>take on coalitions formed of all other European powers while being in mid revolution yourself
>still win
>somehow bad at war

Everyone and no one.
Most European countries had their part in preserving and spreading their Greco-Roman heritage, however none of them really haves bigger contributions and claims than the others and to claim otherwise is pure wewuzism.

>>2483871
This.

>>2485050
The thread isn't about who's "current" Rome, like the usual Byzantine, Ottoman, Russian or >>> threads

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>>2484889
>People of Roman/Latin descent being into Rome is the same as unsuccessful fat ugly white people sucking cock from Japanese propaganda

>>2484849
You know that they could buy more than one tittle, right?

Andreas Paliologos sold it, it is explained here(and in more places of the Internet): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_titles_and_honours_of_the_Spanish_Crown

>>2483633
/thread

>>2483620
Why the fuck is the Philippines there. They're one of the few Ex-Spic territories that still speaks their native language.

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>>2485880
Philipines is the true sucessor of Roman Empire f a m

>>2483620
where is serbiaball?

>>2484801
Not to mention
>get most of your victories attributed to the technological difference between your people and the natives

>>2485922
>Slavic speaking
>Orthodox
>Not a single centimetre of Mediterranean Sea access
That's not very Romanic.

>>2485923
>Spain didn't fought in Europe
>Spain didn't btfo France and Ottos repeatidly during many years

You feel for the black legend

>>2485954
Fell*

>>2483633
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>>2483903
>polentoni on my board>

>>2483620
Romania

>>2485923
Spain BTFO all of Europe for 150 years in arrow. From protestants to French to Ottomans. In fact if you remove the colonial wars France has lost more wars than won. Spain still has won more wars that it has lost

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>>2485980

>>2483683
>jumps right from Britons to Normans
They effectively made England not English.

Italy, Greece and Russia.

Anything else is LARP tier.

Learn your translatio imperii.

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Turkey.

>>2486013
>Spain still has won more wars that it has lost
such as?

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>>2486093
>Russia isn't LARP tier

>>2484883
Rome's expansionism came about by accident, a lot of Romans in the Mid Republican period and beyond wanted nothing to do with an overseas Empire, viewing it as more trouble than it was worth.

>>2484889
No. White people looking up to Greece and Rome is white people looking up to the origin of western culture/civilization.

It is the literal opposite of sucking the cock of non-whites like a xenophilic traitor, you dense faggot.

>>2486102
I wouldn't call Greece the origin of "western civilization" and I'd hesitate to call it white.

>>2486098
>"Two Romes have fallen, the Third stands!"
>Grand Duke Vasili III

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>>2486093
>>2486113
>feudal shithole full of illiterate peasants
>anything to do with civilization

WE

>>2486108
>I wouldn't call Greece the origin of "western civilization"

Greco-Roman Civilization is the origin of Western Culture. It may not be the origin of the West in a geopolitical sense, that comes with the Franks and other tribes of the Migration Period.

>hesitate to call it white

Call it European then. The term "white" is a meaningless distraction unless its used a byword for European. The fact is they're the root of Western culture, unless you're a shitlibber who believe the "West" is a concept that arose in the 1960s to define people who believe in transsexual and gay "rights".

>>2486113
>He said it's Roman, therefore he's not LARPing
I'm not sure you understand what LARP means.

>>2486120
>full of illiterate peasants

Describes every single state on earth prior to industrialization, perhaps with the exception of Edo Japan.

95% of the civilized world prior to the 1800s was literally just subsistence farmers.

Daily reminder that if you don't have European descent you shouldn't be commenting ITT.

That goes for all "overseas Asians". We will burn your Budai statues to the ground.

>>2486121
>Greco-Roman Civilization is the origin of Western Culture
I wouldn't say so.
I'd say classical civilization was its own thing that later influenced western culture. But it wasn't alone in doing that as for most of its existence the west more closely resembled Persia than it did classical Greece.

>The fact is they're the root of Western culture
This is what I'm saying, they're not. The true source of Western culture is France.

>>2486120

Why do leftists hate Russia so much? They loved them back in the 1980s and called anyone who advocated for a stronger stance against the Soviet Union warmongers.

>>2486149
What in his post gave even the slightest impression that he's left-wing?

>>2486144
>I'd say classical civilization was its own thing that later influenced western culture.

The problem with this is that you view Christianity as a clean break with the past, instead of something voluntarily accepted by a large portion of the Roman Empire and then changed into a state religion by one of its own Emperors. The Roman Empire didn't stop being Roman as a result of the Edict of Milan, you dense faggot.

>This is what I'm saying, they're not. The true source of Western culture is France.

Really? France founded the Western Canon with Homer? France founded Western drama? France invented the concept of a Republic? France invented Western philosophy?

There are clear lines of continuity here, clear differences too, but clear lines of continuity.

The attempt to undermine western cultural continuity comes from people people with a certain political aim in mind in my experience.

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>>2486126
But they weren't literally feudalist like Russia. How can you still be stuck in the Middle Ages and call yourself a successor to Rome at the same time?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serfdom_in_Russia

>>2486166
Do you think the slaves working a latifundia really cared about your semantic distinction between serf and slave, you marxist faggot?

>>2486144
Critical theory in action. Marxist faggot detected.

>>2486164
>The attempt to undermine western cultural continuity comes from people people with a certain political aim in mind in my experience.

This. I would put money on this faggot coming from /lit/ and unironically reading Foucault.

>>2486084
England has been under foreign kings since England was a thing

Mostly because the guy wearing the crown has never really mattered so much to anglo rape babies

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>>2486171
>>2486176
Russian Empire = backwards shithole

Deal with it.

>>2486176
How can you say anything of use about a person's views if you read them ironically? Even if he is a complete charlatan there's no possibility of criticism if you read him for shits and giggles

>>2486164
I don't. In my post I didn't even mention Christianity, I don't know why you automatically assumed this.

>France founded the Western Canon with Homer? France founded Western drama? France invented Western philosophy?

If you're trying to claim that Greek literature, drama and philosophy is the exact progenitor of the western practice of those fields you'll find that you're sorely mistaken. Greek drama in particular is totally alien to western drama. If you want to claim clear lines of continuity here (of which there are some) you should also acknowledge the clear lines of continuity between the classical and the Islamic world. What I'm saying is that both the western, Islamic and classical worlds are distinct entities to each other that borrowed from their predecessors. Not that any one is a direct continuation of another.

Not to mention the republics we have are very alike to how France envisioned them, but totally different to how they existed in the classical world.

>The attempt to undermine western cultural continuity comes from people people with a certain political aim in mind in my experience.
And what would that be?

>>2486176
Read Spengler you retards.

I shouldn't be surprised that /pol/ don't read their own books.

>>2486206
>is the exact progenitor of the western practice of those fields you'll find that you're sorely mistaken.

Do you think the continuity needs to be exact for it to be the root? F

>you should also acknowledge the clear lines of continuity between the classical and the Islamic world.

So the Islamic world practiced Roman law almost without interruption and created almost perfectly modeled classical Republics?

The continuity between classical/Islamic world is pretty much "they put a lot of stock in Aristotle for a bit". They had absolutely no serious attachment to classical values. Westerners did and always did. Which is why there were abortive attempts even in the Middle Ages to overthrow the Papal States and establish a new Roman Republic in its stead.

>Not to mention the republics we have are very alike to how France envisioned them, but totally different to how they existed in the classical world.

Absolute fucking bullshit. Venice's Republican constitution, along with other Northern Italian city states, was far more like those that Plato and Aristotle envisioned than those the French Revolutionaries envisioned. Not to mention they came CENTURIES BEFORE the other.

>Not that any one is a direct continuation of another.

The people in the West are largely the same people, they follow a religion that was distinctively Roman in its forms. They practice Roman law, or comparably antique common law systems also heavily influence by Roman law, latin was, until fairly recently (macrohistorically speaking) the lingua franca of educated people. Greek was the language of medicine.

The people of Islam are Arabs and Arab-speaking, largely Arab by (paternal) descent and identify with a religion that was hostile to Rome and its successor states for centuries. They practice an alien form of law. Their art and architecture is largely completely alien, except where it was created for them by Islamized Westerners (e.g. Sinan). If you want I'll go on.

>>2486214
Spengler was wrong about a lot of things. He also thought that Boasian anthropology was right about race.

Are you a leftist of some variety? Are you practicing critical theory? Nobody ever claimed the contemporary west claimed direct geopolitical continuity from the classical world, but the continuity is enough that it can be called the root. Your entire argument is a false premise.

>>2486193
>1938
still-relevant/10

>>2486286
He's almost certainly a leftist.

The "Islamic World has just as much cultural continuity with the classical world as the West does!" is a common trope based on the fact a few Muslim theologians liked ostensible monotheistic Greek philosophers (for a while, some of the Sultans of the later Arab Caliphates despised them). There's absolutely nothing meaningful there in terms of cultural transmission beyond that. Maybe in terms of some knowledge, but that's like claiming there's cultural continuity between Europeans and Chinese because of the adoption of paper and gunpowder.

>>2486308
Sorry

*Caliphs

Not Sultans.

>>2486274
Blown the FUCK out. Also the original US constitution was actually far more classical in its inspiration than it is today.

Today it's just a plutocracy of kikes enabled by (((mass democracy))) but in the past it was an aristocratic republic in the same vein as classical/medieval/renaissance ones.

>>2484860
Trump is Caesar.

Barron is Augustus.

>>2486308
The point is that western peoples are the same peoples with very similar value sets. It's why walking into St. Peters feels like walking into a particularly grand Roman Temple. It's not just aesthetics, it's the fact in order to appeal to the soul of the people it needed to adopt Roman norms.

It's also why you'll never see significant numbers of Westerners converting to Islam, and if they do, it will be some milquetoast variant of it.

>>2484802
Came here to post this

>>2486274
>Do you think the continuity needs to be exact for it to be the root? F
Well that's what "root" implies. The root is in no way disconnected from the tree.

>So the Islamic world practiced Roman law almost without interruption and created almost perfectly modeled classical Republics?
a) The western world didn't seriously practice civil law until very recently. As a matter of fact much of it still doesn't. It's simply not true to say "without interruption".
b) No republic that has existed in western history has even superficially resembled classical republics. Let alone being "perfectly modelled".

>They had absolutely no serious attachment to classical values.
They did and do though. To this day in Iran Plato's Republic is probably second only to the Quran in it's importance to the foundation of their state.

> Venice's Republican constitution, along with other Northern Italian city states
It wasn't. The doge of Venice at height had autocratic powers and at minimum at least had a quasi-presidential role. Venice was always a bizarre hybrid of monarchy and republic, not at all like republics as they existed in the classical era. Even the dictator of the Roman Republic was more limited in his powers than early Venetian doges.

Not to mention virtually every Italian city state practised different forms of government.

1/2

>>2486274
>>2486452
>The people in the West are largely the same people
No they aren't. If you mean genetically then that's retarded because most of the "western world" wasn't even in the Roman Empire. If you "culturally" then that's even more retarded, as I'd hazard that culture has changed so much in the past 2000 years that it'd be a mistake to call English people and Anglo-Saxons the same people let alone for example French and Romans.

> they follow a religion that was distinctively Roman in its forms.
Do they really though?
At this point a significant portion of the western world are protestant which is much more like Islam or Judaism in its structure than it is like Greco-Roman paganism or Greco-Roman Christianity.

Not to mention Christianity in general is more than a bit Asian given the obvious influences from Judaism and Zoroastrianism.

>They practice Roman law,
This one is true. But it's worth noting that they didn't seriously practice it until very recently and much of the western world is common law anyway.

As well as that many Muslim countries also practice civil law.

>The people of Islam are Arabs and Arab-speaking
The people of the west aren't Roman and don't speak Latin, anon.

>and identify with a religion that was hostile to Rome and its successor states for centuries.
Are you implying that prior to it's adoption as the state religion that Christianity wasn't massively hostile to Rome?
Also
>successor states
You better not be implying that western feudal kingdoms were Roman successor states.

>They practice an alien form of law.
And common law isn't?

>Their art and architecture is largely completely alien
You best be joking because
a) For a long time the Byzantine empire was iconoclast as well.
b) The Muslims were ripping off classical architecture long before the western world got around to it.

>If you want I'll go on.
You've gish-gallopped enough for one day.

>>2486286
>Are you a leftist of some variety?
No.
>Are you practicing critical theory?
No. Not consciously anyway.

> Nobody ever claimed the contemporary west claimed direct geopolitical continuity from the classical world, but the continuity is enough that it can be called the root.
That's exactly what that anon was saying. As he flagrantly admitted in the post immediately above yours.

>>2486102
>>2485744
Both of you are seriously retarded.

Not only are you so idiotic as to classify liking another culture as treason of your own, you didn't even understand the post you're replying to.

I'm glad you will never get to spread your genetic information.

>>2484889
IRL Romans were basically weeaboos for Greece anyway.

>>2486153
He's not following the conversation, just trying to push his narrative.

>>2486099
And a lot of Romans took pride in their ever-expanding empire, with ambitious generals during the Republican period gaining power and prestige when they expanded the frontiers of the Empire.

It's not until the Imperial period when the Emperors grow wary of their generals (understanding the reason why the Republic fell) that expansionism is slowed down and eventually abandoned.

>>2486274
>If you want I'll go on.
Please do, I'm genuinely entertained by this exchange.

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>>2484968
>/his/ need flags

I don't know if you're a butthurt Anglo or a retarded German

Anyway, pic related hans

Has to be some Mediterranean counry of Europe, that shares genetical, cultural, linguistical and culinary heritage with Roman elites
So either Italy, Greece or Spain

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>>2484869
>>2484918
>>2483683
>>2486015
back to /int/ please

Romania

>>2487220
so you /pol/s can continue posting unmolested?

in your dreams faggot

Greece

>>2487494
>points out literally /pol/ tier posts
>gets called a /pol/tard

shitposter or dense af

>>2486452
>a) The western world didn't seriously practice civil law until very recently. As a matter of fact much of it still doesn't. It's simply not true to say "without interruption".

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Roman Law was practiced throughout the Middle Ages, the oldest University in the Western World - Bologna - was founded for the express purpose with degree granting authority of training Roman-educated lawyers in the 11th century.

>b) No republic that has existed in western history has even superficially resembled classical republics. Let alone being "perfectly modelled".

The Republic of Venice is probably the most Aristotleian state to ever exist. You're just grasping.

>Well that's what "root" implies. The root is in no way disconnected from the tree.

The root doesn't necessarily resemble the tree, it merely gave birth to it.

>They did and do though. To this day in Iran Plato's Republic is probably second only to the Quran in it's importance to the foundation of their state.

Was Plato's Republic actually important in Islamic statecraft prior to Khomeini's revolution?

I don't think so.

>Not to mention virtually every Italian city state practised different forms of government.

So the fuck what? If Islam had such continuity with the classical world you'd expect at least one Emirate to also practice a Republican form of government in the medieval period.

>If you mean genetically then that's retarded because most of the "western world" wasn't even in the Roman Empire.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/07/0719_050719_britishgene.html

Keep on pushing the whole "we're all mixed / one race the human race :-)" meme you faggot.

>protestant which is much more like Islam or Judaism in its structure

I'm an Orthodox Christian and even I know this is bullshit. Sola Scriptura aside, Protestantism doesn't engage in total iconoclasm like Islam and Judaism do.

>seriously practice it until very recently

See above.

>>2487689
>Common law

Influenced by Roman Law anyway, the first codification of Germanic laws was begun by Romans.

>As well as that many Muslim countries also practice civil law.

Many Muslim countries are also nominal Republics. That doesn't mean classicism has more of a tangible connection to Islamic culture any more than Rachmaninov and Chopin are more East Asian than they are European, it is a testament to the global success of western civilization/culture. In other words it is imitative.

>people of the west aren't Roman and don't speak Latin, anon.

A good portion of the West speak Latin-derived languages closer to Latin itself than modern day Chinese dialects are to Old Chinese dialects. I myself speak a language that is far, far more contiguous than any of the languages of le noble oriental gentlemen you're presently lauding.

>Christianity wasn't massively hostile to Rome?

It was, and it became adopted by Rome. If the West adopts Islam then you can make the same claim in turn, but it won't.

>feudal kingdoms were Roman successor states.

I'm implying Byzantium was you fucking mongoloid.

>And common law isn't?

Jesus Christ. Read a book on English contract law sometime and tell me how many Latin phrases you count next to Arabic ones. Yes common law is distinct from civil law, no, it's not as alien to it as Shariah is. You dense pleb.

>a) For a long time the Byzantine empire was iconoclast as well.

A few decades out of a thousand years total (i.e. not a long time in terms of the Empire's history), and even then so unpopular (the imperial edicts that banned it) that it provoked a mass uprising.

>b) The Muslims were ripping off classical architecture long before the western world got around to it.

They had their own style of architecture. It's dubious as to whether it can be considered a child of classical architecture in the same was classicism/neo-classicism/baroque etc were.

>>2484801
yeah but it was much shorter and by the end of Rome's history everyone loved them while with Spain everyone hated them.

>>2483633
spbp

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>>2483620
Finland. Pic related and proves it.

SPQR!

>>2484889

they sure loved the silk and trinkets from the east

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>>2484781
/thread

>>2485923

>Gauls at the height of their culture were less advanced
>reinvigorated Macedonians were less advanced
>Persians were less advanced
>Carthaginians were less advanced

fucking hot memes you have there

also

>implying the tech difference meant shit for the Spaniards when they lost most of their powder and couldn't wear their armor in the heat anyway

>>2487792
who the fuck makes a statement like this?

are you in middle school?

>>2483620
Scotland

>>2488347
Most people on this board will tell you straight up that Rome is the best civilization ever in history unironically despite most of them not in any way being Roman and was probably descended by people conquered by the Romans

Can you say that about any other empire?

>>2488414
>was probably descended by people conquered by the Romans

you mean like everyone relevant in history outside China?

>>2488416
also outside of Arabia, Persia, and the Steppes

>>2488425

not quite conquered but they tasted Roman steel just fine

>>2488414
>"best"
>"liked"
"hated"

lol, bro rome was the major writer of all our accounts of the time no shit. Western Europe was one under Rome. If Charles the V and Phillip II wouldn't have been so inbred england would have fallen and everyone would "love" the spanish empire.

>>2488444
forget the rivals even the former subjects are known to shit on them

Latin Americans
Dutch
Portuguese
Italians

When the Germanics destroyed West Rome first thing they did was try to rebuild it when the Latins destroyed the Spanish empire first thing they did was break it apart moreso.

>>2486354
E TU PENCE?

>>2486925
>/his/ need flags
KYS

>>2486749
>abloobloo if u dont like anime ur dumb and a virgin lol

>>2483683
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dUJX9hDjhaE

>>2483620
France. Someone PLEASE post France's war record.

>>2486274
>The people in the West are largely the same people,
Haha nope. Roman power and its centers of culture was largely centered around the Mediterranean. North Europeans are not the same people.

Christianity was not distinctively Roman. It was adopted by the Romans officially a few centuries after. Catholicism for example was not adopted by a powerful Rome, unlike Orthodox Christianity (which is what survived for 100s of years as an official religion).

Anyway, what affected Western Roman wasn't an appeal to Eastern Roman empire, but its pagan parent (Yes both are Roman but that doesn't mean there are no important differences).

Further Christianity as slave morality is very different from the master morality of the Romans. Yes with some inconsistency, Romans adopted this religion for slaves. But that's a reason why Rome became less "Roman". It's not really a strong point to make an appeal to religion of Roman other than its classical pagan one (with the different cults) since that's the least Roman thing about it. Heck, it's actually not Roman at all.

Culturally there are barely any similarities.

>law

Depends. Anglos had their own sophisticated law unlike other north Europeans. Common law was practiced in parallel with Roman law. Common law is the legacy of much of the West, not really Rome.

You're cherry picking similarities anyway and ignoring the massive differences.

There are plenty of things Islamic world got from Ancient Persia from administration, to art (to a lesser extent than Westerns got from Romans),

That doesn't mean it's an extension of Ancient Persia, you dumbnut.

You're ignoring the fact that Westerners today have values that will make Ancient Romans vomit. From marital mentality, to sexual norms, to SLAVERY, to BEHEADINGs, various punishment for crimes Westerners would consider barbaric, etc...

The difference between the West of today and the Roman world, simply looking at lifestyle and values, is great.

>>2489679
>Anyway, what affected Western Roman
This should say: "What affected Westerners wasn't an appeal to Eastern Rome Empire but it's pagan empire..."

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United States

>>2487689
>Protestantism doesn't engage in total iconoclasm like Islam and Judaism do.
I'm pretty sure that's not what he was referring to when he mentioned "structure".

>>2488480
That's because the reasons of collapsing were totally different.

The Roman Empire became ridiculously unsustainable, and in the end it fractured with many different kingdoms trying to keep some semblance of civilization, modeling it after the civilization they knew best.

The Spanish Empire wasn't particularly unstable, the Spanish born in the colonies (criollos) just wanted to stop being under the crown to maximize their own gains, and they personally concocted anti-Spanish narratives to garner support for independence. The lives of pretty much everyone but the richest criollos were the same (or sometimes better) under Spanish rule, they just were very good at controlling the masses into thinking otherwise.

>>2483683

Rome was a murdering vampire, the worst thing that happened to European civilization.

Rome brought about the dark ages, it was nothing more than a Juiced up Gladiator that would inevitably crash and burn.

>>2489323
That's not what I said, but I don't expect a retard to be able to hold a conversation (it's twice now that you fail to comprehend simple posts) so it's fine.

>>2483871
Not really, most of their language is stolen from French in the 19th century, and culturally they are just slavs/gipsies.

>>2490153
>>2483871

Also they are hardly a successor. The Romans conquered most of Europe, they were big dreamers, that is WHY th Dacians were romanisied.

France/Spain/even England are closer to them from this standpoint. All Romanians ever "conquered" is Transylvania, and even that was just stolen and they did jackshit for it, invaded a country which was already being invaded by two other countries and was in a civil war.

TL;DR Romanians should be just genocide for being gypsies

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>>2487844
ebin :DDD

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>>2487844
>Western Roman Empire
>Illegitimate

This is what Greek larpers actually believe. Reminder that Venice was the true successor of the LATIN Western Roman Empire and they wrecked the larping Byzantine Greeks.

>>2483620
We wuz Romans is the worst meme in history.

All these goys indoctrinated into loving the imperialist American globalist Empire.

Vicarious Imperialism through fandom of Roman Empire.

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>>2483871

>>2483817
Bunch of crypto kikes

>>2490455
t. butthurt Latin massacring Greek roleplayer

>>2490472
>butthurt
He has the right too
You have to imagine, a bunch of Gauls and Germanic nigger tribes pillages your best friend in Roma and later on larp as Mediterraneans in culture and tradition
Greek had every right to slaughter this latinized Franks

>>2489679
>Haha nope.

Genetically they are.

> North Europeans are not the same people.

I brought up the Brits just as a point to illustrate the depth of genetic continuity in Europe. But that applies elsewhere too, even in most of Greece and Italy. I can give you genetic evidence for both these countries as well, if you'd so like.

>Roman power and its centers of culture was largely centered around the Mediterranean.

Sort of, during the High Empire period most of their legionaries came from Western Europe and parts of the Balkans.

>But that's a reason why Rome became less "Roman". It's not really a strong point to make an appeal to religion of Roman other than its classical pagan one (with the different cults) since that's the least Roman thing about it. Heck, it's actually not Roman at all.

This is the only point I really agree with.

>Depends.

No it doesn't. We've already been through this. Yes, common law is its own thing, but it was heavily influenced by Roman law regardless. Roman law has a more or less uninterrupted tradition in the West.

>There are plenty of things Islamic world got from Ancient Persia from administration, to art (to a lesser extent than Westerns got from Romans)

What, administratively, did Islam get from Ancient Persia? What did it get artistically? Persian art was never iconoclastic before Islam you thick as SHIT faggot.

>From marital mentality, to sexual norms, to SLAVERY, to BEHEADINGs

Modern day westerners are not "western" in any meaningful sense anymore. They're just free floating agents of whoever controls MTV/Netflix/NYT etc.

You're also wrong about marriage. Romans and Greeks tended to be monogamous, which is another line of continuity that distinguishes Westerners from Asiatics.

>>2489719
Terrible argument. There's nothing distinctive about the structure of protestantism to begin with, it's just like any other quasi-centralized religious institution.

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>>2483633

>>2483620
US
The center of Christendom came to the new world.
And If you counted all the Latin countries we've economically, or politically enslaved or that are just bat shit afraid of us.
Also we literally have a culture based on slavery and conquest. To the point that all the shit posting on THIS BOARD can be linked to TRACE MADMEN FAKING SCIENCE after the civil war
And if that isn't roman...
What is?
Canada may be our Ireland but Brazil is our Egypt.

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>>2491305
Protesturds are incompatible with the spirituality of Roman civilization found in ROMAN Catholicism.

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As an Italian, I have to admit it's France. Their greatest leader was a true Roman of Italic ancestry even.

>>2483683
like this if your cry every time

>>2491342
Include our Vassal state of Mexico and you have the single most visited Catholic Site in the World.
20% of Americans are catholic making it the largest Christian Denomination in the US
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States#Christianity

Barbarians can't be children of great Rome!

Turkey

>>2486144
Go to bed Spengler.

>>2489763
>(((dark ages)))

>>2490922
>it's just like any other quasi-centralized religious institution.
...like Islam and Judaism, and unlike Catholic, Orthodox, and Oriental Christians, and even Roman religion, which had a Pontifex Maximus.

That was his point, and it's a perfectly valid one.

>>2483620
Argentina

>>2483620
America

>>2484801
>whole peninsula
Lol