REMINDER that Slavs are not a race but a language group and if

You forgot Ibero-Slavs
Spaniards, Portuguese

Med Slavs
Greek, Italians

Anglo Slavs
Kiwis, burgers, strayas

Slavs were once a tight-knit ethnic group who spoke a sole language (Proto-Slavic), but during the Late Antiquity period they began splitting and settling different parts of Central and Eastern Europe, mixing with the local populations wherever they went (Celts, Illyrians, Germanics, Daco-Thracians, Finno-Ugrics, etc).

Just like the fact that Spaniards or Romanians aren't genetically Central Italian folk doesn't mean that ancient Italic/Latin speakers were not an ethnic group.

>>2469294
>>>/int/

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West Slavs are the Slaviest.

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>>2469331

Albanians are not Slavs nor they are native to the land they occupy now.

>>2469414
Albanians are not Slavs, but South "Slavs" are Albanians.

>>2469331
>>2469338
>let me arbitrarily pick one gene and call it the "slav" gene

Now arbitrarily pick another, which is concentrated mostly in Romania, for example. Its as valid a claim.

>>2469552
Albanians are hardcore turk'd slavs.
Also, [spoiler]serbs[/spoiler] are (were) slavs.

>>2469414
Albanians are more native than all their neigbhours spare maybe Greeks

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>>2469572
Haplogroup I2 which is concentrated in the Balkans is certainly not Slavic. It is associated with Dinarics who are a tall, big nosed, dark haired and dark eyed people with long faces. They look completely alien to East/West Slavs who have short potato heads, potato nose, shorter height and high rates of blondism.

>>2469675
>It is associated with Dinarics who are a tall, big nosed, dark haired and dark eyed people with long faces.

Nigga people on the Balkans are shorter than average, not taller.
Your pseudo-science is retarded. Learn genetic clustering.

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>>2469678
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_average_human_height_worldwide

>Dinaric Alps
>185.6 cm (6 ft 1 in)
>Serbia
>182.0 cm (5 ft 11 1⁄2 in)
>Russia
>177.2 cm (5 ft 10 in)
>Poland
>178.7 cm (5 ft 10 1⁄2 in)

>>2469700
>no romania
>no bulgaria
>no macedonia
>no greece
>no albania

Nice job excluding more than half the countries in the Balkans during your "balkan gene" research, but including Poland and Russia.

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>>2469294
>throughout history slavs were described as looking diferent from western europeans and asians
>their phisical features are common among slav countries despite language barriers
>guis, ain't no such thing as a slavic ethnicity guis it's made by the illuminati guis

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>>2469723
I made this for you.

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>>2469743
What physical features?

>>2469751
Thats nice, but would you mind making an argument instead?

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>History

>&

>Humanities

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>>2469751

>>2469774
& Humanities

>>2469788
They're both shit at this point, mate.

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>>2469758
>soccer players

wowee you sure showed me
"[They have] small slanted eyes, long mouths and narrow brows. Their noses are short but not stub and have fine nostrils...they are Bohemians i think."

-Goethe on the Habsburg forces stationed where he lived

And all this without mentioning that if you've never actually seen phisical differences in slavs to others then you've never seen slavs.

>>2469673
It's true that Albanians are native, but not native to that part, but to Kavkaz region, where they came from

>>2469807
>this is his scientific proof

top
fucking
kek

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>>2469840
right, prove it wrong then...

>>2469867
>prove a negative, because i quoted a guy being racist

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>>2469783

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>>2469881
so you're still wrong, good to hear!

>>2469891
At this point you are giving out signs that you are aware you can't defend your views, and are choosing to act retarded instead. I hope this is proof of awareness and reconsideration, and not of childishness.

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>>2469905
no i honestly want to know more about the slavic ethnicity "not existing" only aparently you have nothing to say or add and so the status quo is kept and slavs are still an ethnicity

>>2469809
how do you explain this then

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_language#Latin_influence

>>2469932
That status quo is that the following ethnicities are part of a slavic language group: Russians, Poles, Ukrainians, Serbs, Czechs, Bulgarians, Belarusians, Croats, Bosniaks, Slovenes, Macedonians, Montenegrins, Silesians, Moravians, Kashuvians.
There is no slavic ethnic group.

>>2469940
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Slav

how does it feel to be wrong?

>>2469954
>www.britannica.com

Literally a worse Wikipedia, as if quoting Wikipedia wasn't bad enough.
Also this is just a claim, that isn't sourced, or even expanded on. You are linking me to a total of one word.

>>2469970

So if the Encyclopedia Britannica, one of the most respected reference guides in the world, is simply wrong because you say so what's your citation backing you?

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>>2469970
>your source is not a valid source
>i have no source to claim you are wrong and that your source is not a valid source

>>2469976
>one of the most respected reference guides in the world

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Errors_in_the_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica_that_have_been_corrected_in_Wikipedia

Nigga... there is a reason it went out of print.

>>2469980
Your source doesn't do anything but make a claim.
It doesn't explain or quote anything.

If you linked to an Encyclopedia Britannica article saying "Rome fell because of led in the water." without any explanation, citations, arguments, would that be enough?

>>2469983

So I ask again, what's your source?

>there is a reason it went out of print.

Yes, the fact people don't buy massive bulky encyclopedias anymore.

>>2469989
>So I ask again, what's your source?

Genetic theory is my source. Slavs are not the same people. They are a language group.

>>2469940
All those people speak similar languages AND to outsiders who have eyeballs they all have similar looking faces. That's enough similarities and commonalities to call an ethnic group.

What else do you need? Do they all have to sing the same exact freaking folk song and wear the same exact color Adidas track suit?

Slav are people. They are not one people but they are a group of people between Asians and West Europeans. Good lord the mental quantum physics involved to not see the obvious.

>>2470012
>AND to outsiders who have eyeballs they all have similar looking faces

They really don't. Also genetics, nigga. There are at least three distinct clusters in that group, and each of those clusters has non-slavic language people in it.

>>2470009

Go on.

If you have some genetic studies done on the different Slavic populations that backs what you are saying I'm prepared to listen.

>>2470009
nigga did you read what i sent?

>>2470027
Even those shitty haplogroups maps, despite their shallowness, show three groups of "slavs" - the european ones, the russian ones, and the balkan ones. Protip: all of those clusters include non-slavs in them.

>>2470023
But there is still an over arching regional grouping of Slavic languages and peoples. Yes there are people in that region who are different. Doesn't take away from vast commonalities across large geographical area. Ethnicity is not pure genetics. Lots of people can be part of a larger cultural grouping who bring in outside or even indigenous blood to an ethnic makeup.

Slav peoples are diverse and disparate amd have several genetic sources and influences over vast time scales and movements of peoples but they are still a larger grouping of peoples with more similarities than not.and enough differences to stand out as distinct.

Why does the concept bother you so much?

>>2470048

I'll take that as a "no I don't"

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>>2470053
Just google it, you nigger. Here is an outdated aggregate one, at best you want different maps to compare.
The division is obvious.

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>people not realizing that most of the debates on ethnicity in pre-modern times is archeological conjecture and more or less overhauled
>people not realizing that DNA evidence is just another form of source to be examined and not the same as final proof
>wiki warriors
Wanna know how I know you never set foot in a history department?

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>>2469294
As a slav myself, I will explain you:
1) Language is very close and understandable between all slav countries.
2) There are customs and food that is shared between all slav countries.
3) However, appearance vary - west slavs are more nordic and alpine looking, east slavs are more eastern nordic and baltid, south slavs are dinarid and pontic
4) Genetically the west and east slavs cluster together, and we see continuity with germanics
5) The south slavs cluster with themselves and there is continuity with other Mediterraneans.

So, if there was a slavic migration to spread the language and culture is long absorbed in the southern population. I tested my DNA and I am from a south slav country. I am closer to bloody Spain and France, than Ukraine or Polandia.

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>>2470068
The migration of slavs during 6-7th century cannot explain this shit. So I believe the language and culture were shared long before it. People don't just vanish and replaced completely, its a continuity.

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>>2470068
>>2469294
>btfo
thanks Bratya

>>2470068
Slavic culture homogeneity comes from the USSR.
Earlier the Ukrainians were straight up Asian nomadic types, the Polish were proto-Germans, and the Croats were Hungarians in disguise.
Fuck it, Byzantine writers talk about the Bulgarian king coming to see their emperor wearing the silks, slippers, earrings and jewels in the hair expected of a Byzantine lord. Not very slavic.

>>2470100
>Slavic culture homogeneity comes from the USSR

that sounds absolutely autistic but i'd like to read where you got this from

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Every white man must take up arms to destroy the Bolsheviks.

>>2470131
Why "white man"?

>>2470115
Look up the Russian-Ottoman war, see how the bulgarian soldiers looked, and how the russian soldiers looked. Also compare them to the turkish soldiers.
You may find bulgarians were more like the turkish, because culturally they were closer to them than to russians.
Similar with Poland and Germany vs Russia, similar with Slovenia-Austria vs Russia, etc.

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>>2470137
because saving the world is the white man's burden

>>2470149
But Bolsheviks were white too..?

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>>2470161

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>>2470131
Russians suck for not forcing cyrillic on the Poles when they had them under their control.

Polish looks so much nicer in cyrillic, much less ugly cszc bullshit going on.

>>2470176
Cyrilic is retarded, they should've adopted diacritic from their more advanced neighbors.

>>2470176
They did force it on mongols though.

>>2470187
Cyrillic is a good way of writing down the slavic language and sounds.

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>>2470176
Even if they did force it, Poles would just go back to using the Latin alphabet when they gained independence.

Poland always wanted to associate itself with the west, that's why they chose Roman Catholicism over Eastern Orthodoxy.

Although the western 'allies' ended up killing more of them than Russians or easterners. Poland should've just allied with Muslims/Islam in 1683 at Vienna or when they had the upper hand during the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth.

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>>2470176
glagolica is where it's @

>>2470260
>greek for slavs

lol

>>2469572
>gene
These are haplotypic markers which are explicitly not under selection and do not undergo recombination, so yes, they are a perfect for tracing the various distinct founder groups which make up a population and their relative "purity". The haplogroups are not arbitrarily chosen, people.

And so it happens that most important ancestral group shared among Slavs is the purest in West Slavs.

>>West Slavs
>Germans, Anglos, Nordics

We are Celtic nigger

>>2469650
Serbs aren't Slavic at all if you look at their genetics. They are genetically closer to Albanians than they are to Czechs or Russians and I'm not even memeing.

>>2470176
Actually Polish would look horrible in every alphabet, because the language itself sounds like static noise. And Russian would be great in Latin.

As a balkannigger I have to say there is definitely a vague Slavic look in every Slavic country you go to in varying degrees, the idea that Slavs as a whole do no shares a lot of blood is silly.

>>2471461
Then tell me how come when I as a Czech went to Macedonia they all looked like a bunch of gypsies and not Slavs to me.

>>2471467
Because you're just a German in denial and you're in need of a good Anschlussing

>>2471467
There are a lot of Albanians in Macedonia for starters.

>>2471470
Czechs are more Slavic than ANYONE in the Balkans and that's a fact.

>>2469331
>tfw Germany is more Slavic then Yugoslavia

>>2470272
>Greek for Slavs
...you're aware that Cyrillic is a Greek invention - based on the Greek alphabet - GIVEN to the Russians by St. Cyril (Cyril? Cyrillic? Get it?) and St. Basil of the Eastern Rite, right?

>>2469294
This is autism. Bulgars are the only slavic group you listed.
REMEMBER TO SAGE THIS SHIT THREAD

>>2470137
Bolshevism is basically a white ideology/problem.

>>2471499
>given to Russians
>Russians
Best be trolling nigger. Russians were still pagan when Cyril died, he brought his alphabet to Great Moravians.

>>2471499
>Cyrillic is a Greek invention - based on the Greek alphabet - GIVEN to the Russians by St. Cyril
I'm pretty sure I've never read a sentence more wrong on /his/ before. If bait then it's 10/10.

Problem is the Russians are still clinging to their old pan-Slavic propaganda that they should rule every Slavic country because they're the same. Also some of the Russian cucks among the Slavic nation who want the same.

Everyone with a non-double digit IQ knows the Slavs are just a linguistic group.

>>2471541
Even though they're just a language group there is no reason why they shouldn't be friends with one another.

>>2471461
>As a balkannigger I have to say there is definitely a vague Slavic look in every Slavic country you go to in varying degrees, the idea that Slavs as a whole do no shares a lot of blood is silly.
You saw white people and assumed the similarities are because they're Slavs. If you go to a Western country you'll notice the same similarities if you weren't a biased idiot.

>>2471499
>>2471520
I'm educate you for free today.

The Cyrillic is named after Cyril but he didn't create it. It was done by his students in Bulgaria.

>>2471545
>Even though they're just a language group there is no reason why they shouldn't be friends with one another.
Sure, I just despise the argument the Russians use "But we're Slavs, we're brothers, be under our control". This is dumb shit for dumb peasants.

>>2471559
That's wrong though. Maybe you should reread my post. Not to mention there is a big distinction between white Slavs and non Slavs in of itself.

>>2471580
>there is a big distinction between white Slavs and non Slavs in of itself.
No, there isn't. The Hungarians and the Romanians look like their neighbours.

>>2471564
Yeah but that has nothing to do with Russia. Russia was one of the last countries to adopt cyrilic actually.

>>2471593
That too is wrong. But there IS a Slavic strain in many Hungarians and Romanians too (Hungarians more)

>>2470176
Um, Ivan, but you actually tried. Guess what, it didn't work.

>>2471601
You're a moron.

>>2471601
Hungarians literally look like Slovaks and vice versa.

>Albania
>Slavic
These are the guys you argue on a daily basis here

>>2471610
OK you are out of arguments. Probably a Croat denying his Slav roots and larping as an Iranian.

>>2471614
Albania isn't slavic.

The Albanian-looking people residing in Kosovo, Serbia and Macedonia are though.

>>2471614
>>2471508
I'm pretty sure OP meant to say that modern day "Slavs" actually contain a ton of non-Slavic ancestry. Your reading comprehension is shit.

>>2471615
>Slav roots

South Slavs are as Slavic as Turks are Turkic. The only "slavic" thing about them is the language, and even that is filled with Greek and Turkish loanwords.

>>2471615
You have no arguments, you have anecdotes and pan-Slavic propaganda you got pouring into your brain as a kid.

If I can show you a hundred different people from all over Europe you're gonna fail pointing out the oh so unique Slavic genes.

>>2471636
Buddy I'm not falling for any pan Slavic propaganda, that is neither here nor there , but to deny the existence of a common Slavic phenotype is to deny reality.

>>2471624
You're assuming there's some pure Slavic gene that is diluted by others. It's like claiming the Romance nations or the Germanic nations share unique genes, it's bullshit.

>>2471646
>to deny the existence of a common Slavic phenotype is to deny reality
There isn't.

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>>2471647
There was a period of time when Slavs used to be the same people but that was literally 1500 years ago, a lot of things changed since them. They spread around Europe, mixed with non-Slavs and assimilated non-Slavs into slavdom either by force or otherwise. Most of the people who live in Balkans now lived there even thousands of years before Slavic invasions, they just learned a new language and that's it.

All three people on this pic are nominally "Slavs" even though they're obviously of separate backgrounds or even separate races.

>>2470176
They tried.It was ilegal to speak polish in Poland.
>>2470197
Muslims wanted as as our vassals,somethign we werent going to accept.And the fact that we are arguably the second most western group of slavs isnt becouse of love of western culture,it is becouse we were close to germany and politics.

>>2471647
see
>>2469338
>>2469331
Poles and Czechs are as Slavic as it gets.

>>2471665
That's exactly my point. And the point in OP.

>>2471665
The dcultural diffrence between western,eastern and southern slavs are so big that listing them all as slavs doesnt make much sense to me.

Honestly West Slavs and East Slavs with the exception of Russia are all pretty similar.

South Slavs aren't similar since they have been TURK'd and Russia isn't similar because it was MONGOL'd. Russians are closer to Finns than to Belarusians or Ukrainians. Likewise try comparing a Ukrainian to a Pollack - there are barely any differences.

>>2471670
So your position is that R1a is Slavic? Czech republic is 34% R1a, so that would mean Czech republic is 66% non-Slavic.

>>2471683
>East Slavs with the exception of Russia
>with the exception of Russia
Well that's a pretty big fucking exception m8

>>2471683
>TURK'd
>MONGOL'd
Oh, the rape memes. You know Central European Slavs have been occupied by the Germany/AH/Russia up until 100 years ago, right?

koja jebena močvara
ne razmnožavajte se,hvala

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>>2471665
Fun fact: a good bunch of Russians get slant-eyed because of heavy alcoholism. Pic related is a young Yeltsin.

>>2471702
It's not alcoholism, it's the curse of Genghis Khan. Putin also looks more Mongoloid than he used to.

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>>2471702
Uh?

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>>2471702

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>>2471713
That's because of all the cosmetic surgeries he had.

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>>2471721
>have plastic surgery to make yourself look more Mongoloid
>Russians automatically like you more

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>>2471741
It was a choice between looking like a wax Mongol and looking like pic related.

>>2471775
>rugged looking white man
vs
>botox Mongol primadonna

That's a no brainer, any man who isn't a faggot would choose the first.

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>>2471713
>Putin also looks more Mongoloid than he used to.
He's a time-travelling agent from the Finnish Empire.

His aim is to conquer as much land as possible while weakening Russia enough for Finland to conquer her and restore the Finnish Empire's former glory.

>>2471783
That's the Jewiest looking face I've ever seen.

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>>2471781
Old narcissists do weird things attempting to look young, anon.

>>2471702

He's pretty sharp looking desu.

>>2470060
Haplogroups are ancient DNA

>>2469700
Kurds are slavs.

>>2470659
The haplogroups are on the female side only.
So unless the mongols brought their women on the raid, and spent two years there to raise the babies, you won't see all the genetic influence.

>And so it happens that most important ancestral group shared among Slavs is the purest in West Slavs.
It just so happens? You mean you arbitrarily for no reason chose to think so. This is an assumption you make, and you build a reverse pyramid on.

>>2471499
Glagolitic was a greek invention, Cyrillic was not.
Which is why I called glagolitic "Greek for slavs". You know, since it was the greek alphabet adapted for slav speech. Greek for slavs. By greeks.

Later further enhanced to actually fit the slavic languages by the scholars at Preslav university, and called Cyrillic in honor of Cyril, the guy who made glagolitic, and who was long dead by then.

So unless you claim he wrote it from the grave, which would justify his sainthood I guess, you are wrong.
Also the russians were the last people to adopt it, it was made for the moravians, so that the bulgarian king can spread christianity there in a cold war type conflict with the franks - whoever spread his alphabet and christianity would win the area.

>>2472332
But the "slavic gene" is just an european mutation, not at all specific to slavic people, and entirely corresponding to the spread of the slavic language.
It just sorta fits, so people choose to think its a slavic thing. It is not.

https://dna-explained.com/2013/01/24/what-is-a-haplogroup/

Quick and easy "for dummies" read.

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>>2470027
According to /poll/ pseudo science the biggest slavs of them all are Indians.

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>>2469751
Nigger are you serious? Even in your faggy cherry picked example, you prove the OP's fucking point. The two examples you give for slavs have nothung in fucking common.

Not the forehead, not the shape of the eyes, not the cherks, not the nose, not the chin, not the face size. NOTHING.

Guy on the right looks like a nordic guy with greasy hair. You cut his bangs, he would fit right in with the best of them. Now fess up. Are you pretending not to know what the fuck you are talking about or are you actually a fucking retard?

Better yet, don't even bother responding. Just take your stupid ass the fuck out of here. Fucking faggot.

>>2474089
>Y DNA
>female

>>2469294
Slavs are a pan-ethnicity and an ethnolinguistic group, not a race.

>>2469675
>They look completely alien to East/West Slavs who have short potato heads, potato nose, shorter height and high rates of blondness"- Categorically false, East and West Slavs are predominately mesotichephalic, thanks to profound improvements in quality of life. the Trend of medium-skulled began to arise in the early 40's. They're not even that shorter to begin with.

>>2469751
The man in the middle is clearly of Finno-Ugric descent, not Slavic at all.

>>2469940
Because "Slav" is both a pan-ethnicity and an macro ethnolinguistic group. Every encyclopedia treats them as such, in case you've missed that.

>>2470068
Thank you for making my job easier in this misbegotten thread.

>>2469294
The Turks have shunned miscegenation with subjugated people, same goes for the Mongolians, the former due to religious difference and geographical distance, the latter due to profound cultural differences and nomadic superstition. Also, the presence of Germanic input in the West Slavic population is minute at best, given the inclusiveness and ethnocentric beliefs of the German settlers that had once lived among them. In the case of the Czechs, their R1b stems mostly from the romanized Celtic populations of Central Europe.

Even the population of Nordids(of the Corded variety) in the East Slavic gene pool is of native origin. Matter of fact, their population of Nordids is probably the largest in Europe, with its bulk residing in Western Russia.

>>2474919
>Because "Slav" is both a pan-ethnicity
Slav is a Russian imperialist idea.
You are eating two hundred year old tzarist propaganda.

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>>2469807
>Anecdotal evidence beats visual representation based on morphing of identical features found among the ethnicity in question.

>>2469867
Will do.

>>2474926
Suck me off and use my juice as hair gel.

>>2474932
Very rude of you to post that. Please delete it.

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>>2470068
>4) Genetically the west and east slavs cluster together, and we see continuity with germanics
>and we see continuity with germanics
Might be because Eastern Germany is populated by descendants of Slavic tribes.

>>2474966
Your map uses modern day district boundaries, rather than the natural borders (rivers, mountains) it would actually use in the 7th century.

Also, the "seven slavic tribes" are thracians, no?

>>2474966
Not might be. But in fact is. Arkona (Rügen, Germany) was the last Slavic Pagan stronghold before a combined force of Denmark and Germany took over.

>>2474978
No, they are Slavs that arrived there, mixed with thracians, and then got conquered by Bolgharians from Volga-Bolgharia.

Same with Slavs in Peleponese, even today there are people with Slavic-sounding family names, except they never affected region culturally.

>>2475072
>and then got conquered by Bolgharians from Volga-Bolgharia

Danube Bulgaria existed as a kingdom before Volga Bulgaria, in what was later Wallachia and Moldova.
Both were created after a kingdom called Great Old Bulgaria was invaded by the Khazars.

>>2475080
Ah, true, my mistake.

Anyway, Bulghars in Balkans conquered Seven Slavic Tribes, but as they were just ruling elite, they took Slavic language and culture, instead of imposing their own.

Which shows Slavic superiority in assimilation, making them medieval equivalent of the Borg.
>Low your shields, and prepare to be assimilated. Resistance is, and always has been, futile.

>>2475121
But Germanics assimilated Slavs in Austria, Germany, Prussia.

>>2475132
Yeah, but only after Slavs assimilates East Germanic tries who lived there. Also the Old Prussians were Balts, not Slavs.

>>2475121
Slavs are like the Orks of 40k. They are everywhere in huge numbers. Everywhere they go, they are there to stay and any people and culture that was there is assimilated into the Slav culture.

Not bashing other nation or cultures, but Slavic people have the will to survive and thrive wherever they go.

>>2475190
>They are everywhere in huge numbers.

Actually they are very localized, and about 350 millions.
More people speak chinese, spanish, english... and language-ethnic groups like arabs and hindu are also larger.

>>2469294

Well, it would seem that you are retarded.

Just to set a single nit of example as to how retarded you are, here is from the genetic research of Bulgars;

Sena Karachanak, Viola Grugni, Simona Fornarino, Desislava Nesheva, Nadia Al-Zahery, Vincenza Battaglia, Valeria Carossa, Yordan Yordanov, Antonio Torroni, Angel S. Galabov, Draga Toncheva, and Ornella Semino. "Y-Chromosome Diversity in Modern Bulgarians: New Clues about Their Ancestry." PLoS ONE 8:3 (March 6, 2013): e56779. Following its presentation at conferences in the years 2011 and 2012 (see further below), this Y-DNA study has now been released as an electronic open-access publication. The number of Bulgarian males in the final report is 808, not the 809 or 812 they counted at the conferences, so there must have been problems with 4 of the samples. The study declares, "Only individuals whose fathers were of Bulgarian origin and were born in the country were included in the study.


Excerpts from the Abstract:


"Haplogroups C, N and Q, distinctive for Altaic and Central Asian Turkic-speaking populations, occur at the negligible frequency of only 1.5%." -


"On the whole, in light of the most recent historical studies, which indicate a substantial proto-Bulgarian input to the contemporary Bulgarian people, our data suggest that a common paternal ancestry between the proto-Bulgarians and the Altaic and Central Asian Turkic-speaking populations either did not exist or was negligible."

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>>2475223
So what you say is that Bulgarians aren't even Bulgarian?

>>2475072
>Bolgharians

>>2475121
>Bulghars

>>2475223
>proto-Bulgarian

I hate these memes.
Why arbitrarily call bulgarians different names in different periods?
Its as stupid as talking about "the romans" first, and then "the italians". The romans were the italians.

Really pisses me off.

>>2475165
>Also the Old Prussians were Balts, not Slavs.
Many of the German Prussians had Polish/Slavic origins, especially the nobility. Von Manstein for example was born von Lewinsky, a Kashubian nobleman.

>>2475247
>Fritz Erich Georg Eduard von Lewinski

Polish as fuck.
I mean, you are probably right, but I can't let you get away with calling someone named "Fritz Erich" a pole.

>>2475259
They were Germanized Slavs is what I'm saying.

>>2469294
>>South Slavs
>Turks
Ya blew it.

>>2475762
You think 1000 years of Turkish oppression had no effect on them?

>>2475259
Yeah, I bet you think Dirk Nowitzki has pure germanic ancestry

>>2471496
R1a=/=slavic exclusively

>>2475782

> You think 1000 years of Turkish oppression had no effect on them?

It is 500 years and no, not really.

The majority of the ruling class in the Balkans was made up of local converts to Islam who then oppressed other converts that did not convert.

There are swarms of examples of Serb/Bulgar/Bosnian noble families converting to Islam to retain land and title within the Ottoman Empire.

Which resulted in that there were more Bosnian viziers in Istanbul than Turkish begs in Bosnia.

In fact, I can't think of a single warlord in Bosnia and Serbia that was not a local convert.

When you start reading army lists of commanders in campaigns it becomes quite hilarious.

Bajezidagić Isaković Minetović Jahjapašić Boljanić Sokolović Dugalić etc.

>>2474928
they look slavic, thx for proving me right i guess