ITT: Post your country's villains using this template >Mexico

>>2465420
Fox did nothing wrong esé.

>>2465420
>Ordaz that high
Fucker killed a shit ton of students. Yeah, maybe they were commies but the kind of shit he did would only happen on China.

Also Fox was only a retard, not really a villain.

>>2465472
But the history marked him as a villain or a retard.
He was ut [s4s] personified

>>2465485
He had no choice but to do it, America would have marked us like commies and started to fuck us even more

>>2465503
He could've targeted them one by one instead of getting civilian supporters killed and making a massacre. He felt highly pressured because of the Olympics, he wasn't really forced.

>>2465532

Exactly, he did evil because of the situation he found himself in

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>>2465420
OP's the kind of Mexican that likes Pena Nieto, thinks narco-mafias running roughshod over the people is ok, and begs USA "Oh yes, please Ameri-fats and Fucking Leafs! Take all our petroleum and beaches and mineral resources. We happily swallow your benis, Ameri-fats!"

>>2465586
No, i want an isolationist government with a free market based on our own products.Fuck Americans and Centroamericans too.

Porfirio was killed because USA felt threatened and they used Madero as a puppet. The same happened to Iturbide

>>2465618
>being this delusional

LMAO, fresa!

Porfirio literally a US puppet.

Get that cock out of your mouth.

>>2465618
The US corporations were making billions off of Mexico's land, petroleum and mineral wealth during the entirety of the Porfiriato.

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>>2465618
>Porfirio was killed because USA felt threatened and they used Madero as a puppet.

> Huerta did not play a major role in the early stages of the Revolution, although he commanded the military escort which gave Díaz safe conduct into exile, he initially pledged allegiance to the new administration of Francisco Madero, and he was retained by the Madero administration to crush anti-Madero revolts by rebel generals such as Pascual Orozco. However, Huerta secretly plotted with United States Ambassador to Mexico Henry Lane Wilson,[7] cashiered General Bernardo Reyes, and Félix Díaz, Porfirio Díaz's nephew, to overthrow Madero. This episode in Mexican history is known as La decena trágica (Ten Tragic Days). Following a confused few days of fighting in Mexico City between loyalist and rebel factions of the Army, Huerta had Madero and vice-president José María Pino Suárez seized and briefly imprisoned on 18 February 1913 in the National Palace. The conspirators then met at the U.S. Embassy to sign El Pacto de la Embajada (The Embassy Pact), which provided for the exile of Madero and Pino Suárez, and Huerta's takeover of the Mexican government.[8]

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Posting some content instead of arguing about spic stuff.

>>2465656
So who was right in the revolution?

>>2465711
Nobody. Villa was a bandit, Zapata was only protecting his property, Carranza and Obregon were only concerned with getting more power and Carranza was already part of the elite in Diaz dictatorship. The best one was Madero but the guy was too idealistic for his own good.

>>2465687
>Bettino
>Bad

>>2465738
I was named after I obregon...

At least he was a good statesman. He seemed to have more of a talent for it than others
Also got any details on villa? There's a lot of misinformation about him

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>>2465420

>Czechoslovakia
From top:
Radola Gajda
Czechoslovak general, one of the commanders of our Legions in Russian Civil war, later fascist politician. Famous for his proposition that being "Honorary Aryan" is licking Jewish hands and that NSDAP is Judeo-Masonic organization.

Josef Urválek
Procurator and judge, sentenced 15 people to death.

Klement Gottwald
First Czechoslovak socialist president, did nothing wrong.

Emil Hácha
Puppet president of Nazis, bealived that people arent bad, did not deserved his fate.

Emanuel Moravec
Czechoslovak general, at first supporter of resistence against German demands in 1938, but got brainwashed by German propaganda and became "Minister of Education and National Enlightenment"

Václav "The Cuck" Havel
Overrated, nobody outside of Prague and Plzeň gives a shit about him.

>>2465420
Villains of your country or from your country?

>>2465793
From your own country

>>2465804
But then villains according to whom? The heros of your own country are often the villain of another one.

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USA

>>2465816
How was Bush in any way or form great?

>>2465815
From your country's perspective and yours i guess

>>2465821
>only did evil things because of the situation they find themselves in

Sounds about right.

>>2465765
Details about his life? He was literally a criminal but a charismatic one. The guy was a shit tier military leader, though. He was better at guerilla tactics, something of course he knew because he was a bandit.

>>2465816
Good post.

>>2465835
Why is he worshipped then? Did he do good? Was he protecting the interests of commoners?

>>2465869
Also, how was Alvaro obregon? Since I have his first name, it would be kinda shitty for him to have been shit tier

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Turkey

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>>2465420
I made this one.If anyone doesn't know who is who in each picture just ask me
>Spain

>>2466011
Who's the first one?

>>2465998
Who are they?
t.ignorant person

>>2465816
List is missing Cheney.

>>2466016
Conde duque de Olivares
Spanish valido during Phillip's the IV reign.All the court hated him because he was plotting against everyone all the time.For example sending people to Flandes to get them away from the court and when they were there they were arrested even when the king didn't know about it.He also tried to centralize Spain as a measure to erradicate protestantism which caused a lot of hate in Catalonia and Portugal.At the end he was a good man in a snake nest that tried to safe his country from collapsing and this caused lots of anger

>>2466039
He kept Spain catholic and made Catalanes mad, so he is okay in my book

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>>2465816
>MLK
Wouldn't Malcolm X be more appropriate? Did MLK really cause any overall negative effects by his own actions?

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>>2466040
>>2466054

>>2465816
>not putting killery at the bottom
Realy boggles my noggle

>>2466108
What did he mean by this?

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Some Fresh OC, regarding the Sengoku period

>>2465869
Worshipped by commies and anarchists because he was the only big Revolution leader without a privileged background. As for Obregon, he was fairly educated but treacherous. He was opportunistic but a fairly good leader that was smart and humble enough to delegate in the areas he wasn't versed enough. His biggest mistake was that he thought possible to revive a dictatorship

>>2466019
From top to bottom:

Turgut Özal
Founder of the Fatherland Party. He democritized turkey after the 1980 coup. Many people hate him becase they think he was either too capitalist or too secular.

Adnan Menderes
Tried to liberalise the economy. It backfired really hard. He got hanged.

Kenan Evren
The general who organised the 1980 coup. He was legit power-hungry but this probably wasn't his main intention.

Abdullah Öcalan
Kurdish separatist. Nobody except the kurds like him.

Recep Tayyip Erdoğan
Was doing really good before the 2012 election. Then he went insane and fucked the country.

Fetullah Gülen
Was probably running the country until the recent coup attempt. Think recent events at South Korea but more islamic and bad.

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>>2466093
Haha yes, this is a good post my friend, I like this post so much I am going to tell you I enjoyed it, thank you for making this funny meme, good day sir :)

>>2466093

Low quality bait

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>>2465420
France

>>2466171
Thanks

>>2466213
You can tell the edgy contrarian stance in the coming years is to say you didn't vote for either or them.

>>2466093
>Jackson
>plunged the country into an economic and constitutional crisis because of his ego
>opened the door to disgusting plebs voting
>good

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>>2466250

>>2466235

Nah it's the current "enlightened centrist" position. Contrarianism is a meme in and of itself. People will only pretend to be contrarian if it gives them some social status.

>>2466120
>an obnoxious, shrill, but harmless feminist
>somehow worse than the absolute fucking moron that is trump

>>2466171
Literally just switch Gulen and Erdogan.

>>2466011
>Fernando VII.

Poor guy, he just wanted to rule as an absolutist and be left alone, but not the liberals had to say no, and then the carlists had to say no, and then the republicans had to say no...

If only everyone would have just shut up about it...

>>2466272

>because ego

lmaoing @your historical illiteracy

Letting plebs vote is better than having usurious fucks burn everything to the ground.

>>2466299
He was plain stupid and evil.Couping aginst his father,dishing the constituion,sending armies against civilians,asked foreign countries to invade Spain,spending all the resources in conquering Mexico again and then flip floping with his inheritance which caused 3 civil wars in 70 years

>>2466306
The bank was literally the thing that made the US have a currency, you insane little fuck. And taking it out destroyed the economy.

Lemme guess, you think "le Fed Jooz are ebil and destroying the world", too?

>>2466321

Gotta give credit to the bastard, the man actually achieved his ultimate objective(absolutist rule) even though everyone started despising him after he started opening his big borbonic mouth, he fought to his last breath to achieve his dream, and unlike other people who try too hard and fail he actually had the balls to win.

I mean, he is a walking example of why a monarchy is not a good idea; because they might achieve what THEY want.

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>>2465420
>>2465420
Here ya go

>>2466355
He achieved to have absolute power in exchange of losing an entire empire an putting the life of her wife and daughter at risk.His only real virtue was his huge dick which is pretty much pointless for a ruler

>>2465816
Switch Bernie and Trump. Bernie just wants free shit but Trump can be sporadic at times like tweeting about the next watergate done by Obama but 30 minutes latter insulting the guy who took spot on tv and quite.

>>2466323

>you have to make a bank private to print currency
>speculation and inflation is "the economy"
>implying crash wasn't caused by English interest rates and Biddle being an obstructionist kike with bank credits

Ok Shlomo

>>2466371
>an entire empire

Welp, after Napoleon... there wasn't that much of an empire left to defend, the damn colonies sure knew how to take an oportunity.

>>2465687
I only recognize Mussolini and Berlusconi. Who are the others?

>>2466399
>there wasn't that much of an empire left to defend
Mexico to begin with offered him to be their king.He refused.And Perú was still loyal to him.If he hadn't destroyed the constitution and would just take a secundary rol he could have been the king of Spain,Mexico and Perú.And from there Colombia and Argentina couldn't do much to fight back

>>2466411
>Mexico to begin with offered him to be their king

I'm gonna need some sauces on that...

>>2466398
>the Joooooooz did it!
>the Joooooooooooooooooooz!

This is why no one will ever take you morons seriously.

>>2465420
The 4th guy was the one who just changed the constitution because he wanted to, right?

>>2466400
The top is Giolitti

>>2466250
'sup neocuck

>>2465420
>/co/ meme

>>2466464

>he has no response
>Proceededs to sperg out
>I said it was kikes because I called Biddle a kike

That's a YUGE logical leap there Chaim.

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>>2466464
t. JIDF

>>2466520
'sup JIDF

>>2466537
>torquemada
>Alba
>Enrique de Trastamara?
>Pizarro
>Franco
>Fernando VII

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Eternal Anglo checking in

>>2466566
Move Franco to High or Great tier, the guy was just responding to a failing goverment at a moment when shit was about to hit the fan for everyone that was considered of the oposing party.

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>>2465420
USA

>>2466591
Top should be Richard III, Cromwell is clearly the bottom bracket. He rebelled against the kings and then became a king and pretended he wasn't.

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>>2466604

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USA.

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France

>>2466621
Who's the dude above Nixon?

>>2466591
Why is there a Frenchman listed in there (below Churchill)?

>>2466631
George Lincoln Rockwell

>>2466616
Is that a fedora doubting Based Richard III or denying that Cromwell was a hypocrite and a piece of shit who was wrong about nearly everything and really just wanted to be King.

>>2466634
Norman but an English king so... Also very much fits the type. Betrayed by Edward and Harold, but became the real villain.

>>2466226
>>2466629
>Based Nappy
>Villain

'no'

>>2466640
About Cromwell

>>2466357

>Wilson
>Better motives

Wew lad

>>2466636
Oh it's the /pol/ list, should've known from the other placements.

>>2466647
>Unironically was right about everything he said at the time
>Not having better motives than everyone else

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>>2465420

>>2466421

That's why Iturbide became Emperor; they offered the title to Ferdinand but he flatly rejected any compromise and forbade any other European Royal to accept instead of him.

>>2466629

t. Filthy Legitimist

>>2466093
Genuinely good post.

>>2466226
>any of those but Petain and Robespierre
>villains

That being said, Petain and Robespierre really do belong in their respective tiers.

>All this americans that just know about the history of America + some memes about Napoleon

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>>2465420
Germany

>>2466621

>Reagan
>Reluctant

He is littleraly the reason conservatism is trash and had to be resuscitated by Trump.

Only a cuck would put him anywhere other than bottom.

>>2466703
>Willy not meh
>Luther/Marx not shit
Shit list

>>2466657
"Hurr Durr I know more about how Central European politics works than anyone else"

"Hurr Durr the Federal Reserve is a brillitant idea"

"Hurr Durr let's run on an anti-war platform then get America involved with WW1 so we can dictate terms to the Entente AND the Central Powers"

"Hurr Durr let's create the start of an globalist international order then promptly fuck off and undermine the legitimacy of the whole concept"

Seriously, the more I learn about Wilson the more I despise him for his professorial overreach, vainglorious idealism, and staggering hypocrisy.

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>>2466648
>if you respect rockwell you're /pol/

>>2466703
>Marx
>Good motives

>Hitler
>Villain

>>2466724
THIS THIS THIS

+1

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>>2466676

t. Fedora donning "Enlightened" Bourgeois

>>2466728
thanks

>>2466703
Where is Max?

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>>2466703
>Willy
>meh

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Chile:

- Jose Miguel Carrera
- Pedro Aguirre Cerda
- Victor Jara
- Augusto Perrochet
- Jose ("Muh Afp") Piñera
- Manuel Contreras

>>2466703
Switch Willy and Merkel, and then it's perfect.

>>2466740
>Willy
>not an insane retard who started a world war for the lulz and almost by accident

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>>2466746
>Willy
>an insane retard who started a world war for the lulz and almost by accident

>>2466742
>Augusto Perrochet

B... but muh free market!

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>>2466703

>NEET hack """Economist"""
>Mysterious motives

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help me out /his/

>>2466721
>implying literally everyone except dumb Germs, pompous Brits, and assmad Franks doesn't agree that the 14 points is objectively superior to the end result of the treaty of Versailles
>implying having a regulatory agency for banking was a bad idea at the time and in general isn't necessary for regulating destructive practices
The destructive attitude towards this office by that faggot Coolidge and corrupt bastard Harding irreparably damaged the institution
>Implying those globalist, international order policies weren't started by the Big Stick himself and Wilson literally engaged in them to retain some continuity in US Foreign policy which was only undermined after he left office and Harding wanted to "return to normalcy"
He did literally nothing wrong, his legacy got fucked over by the neglectful fucks who followed him and his contemporaries. He would be objectively seen as the best Pres of all time if he wasn't surrounded by such spiteful whores.

>>2466629
>"Gotta blob fast"
>Good motives

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>>2466746

>Willy did WW2

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>>2466770
>nigga how do you even secede, like nigga, just reconquer your state for your country

>>2466770
>Open folder
>right click file
>delete

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>>2466783
He did WW1, fagget
Rumors say it's because he was sexually attracted by his mom

>>2466770
>Jackson is evil
>Wilson anything above mongoloid tier

>>2466722
The only people who think he is important enough to put on a list of well known leaders are /pol/. I mean at least with Jim Jones decent amount of people know who he is, no one gives a fuck about Rockwell. Less than a foot note in history.

>>2466785
Typical Yankee Behavior
did i post Jefferson Davis, or General Lee?
Lee didn't declare secession, he only fought for his home (in his words, not mine).

There's a reason Lee has such a cult and not Davis. Say what you will about the CSA as an entity, but Lee was a noble man.

>>2466817
>Noble
>muh state seceded so I'll betray my own beliefs and use my abilities to make this war drag on for years longer than it should even though it's clear we're going to lose
What a fucking pawn. Traitor should've been hanged with the rest of those dogs.

>>2466825
>caesar
>shit
>>>/senate/
He was loved by almost everyone and has only done good deeds for the Roman people.

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>>2466783

>>2466825

t. Gaius "I dindunuffin" Marius

>>2466831
>yeah bro i know you may be personally dissatisfied with the decisions of your statesmen, but you should honestly just help a foreign army kill and burn your neighbors
honestly, you've done a pretty good job of alienating yourself from what would have been the realities for these people.

I'm well and certain that from another state in another time you feel well and mighty, but were you in their shoes you likely would've been sporting a gray uniform.

>>2466774
The 14 Points are riddled with the usual brand of utterly unrealistic Wilsonian nonsense, including chestnuts like:

1. Ending all secret deals between nations forever

2. Immediate establishment of international free trade

5."Absolutely impartial colonial settlements and ethnic self-determination" for everyone (except those groups for which self-determination is not convenient for members of the Entente)

>>2466825

Butthurt "Muh Rebublik" detected

>>2466859
The first two were unrealistic but they're some of those things that were kinda worth a shot. I believe the trade one was also mostly focused on protecting civilian ships from attack during wartime. The self determination is objectively correct for the states he proposed. What exactly would you change in that respect?

>>2466591
Winston Churchill was genuinely evil tho

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>>2465420
This /tg/ chart is wrong though (just like /tg/ in general).
Here's what it should be like.

>>2466852
>I may not believe in anything I'm fighting for, know I'm going to lose, probably end up at the end of a noose, and cost thousands of human lives by dragging out this retarded sperg fest but at least I was defending my state from a President who literally hadn't done anything yet
He says as Virginia soil is soaked in blood and the deep South is burned to the ground.

>>2466900
except that at the outset of the war, everyone thought that the South was going to have a quick victory, nobody expected the North to have so much grit.

And once you're neck-deep in a Civil fucking War, you can just go "lol jk"

ffs it was partially by lee insistence that we DIDN'T fight to the literal end.

>>2466908
Only southern billies thought the South would win. Any tactician who knew anything about supply lines, population, natural resources, and manufacturing capital knew that the South didn't stand a chance. They fought against shit generals for three fucking years and still only barely staved off Union forces. If Lee didn't have a strong feeling he would lose he was delusional.

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>>2465420

>>2466929
>Only southern billies thought the South would win
source?

you've got to remember that
>supply lines, population, natural resources, and manufacturing capital
were just starting to be fully realized in a modern sense. Trains and telegraph were just starting to make a real impact, they didn't have the benefit of hindsight. A secession from a militaristic and previously rich part of the country seemed to be very likely.

>>2466785
the American Civil War is funny
Union
>noble president, despicable generals

Confederate
>noble generals, despicable president

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>>2466991
>tfw you think you're about to get some sweet southern puss but it turns out that it's just Jefferson Davis in a dress

>>2466226
I'd put old mate Louis XIV in the meh tier for his withdrawal to party it up instead of running the country.

>>2465769
>le symbol of the velvet revolution is evil
edgy

>>2467008
>fuck, not again

>>2466250
Did that image trigger you? Go back to your safe space

/pol/

>>2466724
>implying Marx didn't have good motives
Fucking spotted the Ameriturd

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>>2467013
>tfw you make Jeffy boy give BJ's to you and your boys at gunpoint and he starts crying about how he never wanted to be the president of the CSA in the first place

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>>2467019

>>2466874

Simple, if you're going to pursue a policy focused on self-determination you can't tell a whole portion of the world that the concept doesn't apply to them because Britain, France, or Belgium owns them. Also, the large German majority in Alsace-Lorraine's right to ethnic self-determination seems to have been totally ignored when it came to Point VIII.

Also, the provisions for International Free Trade and Absolute Freedom of Navigation are separate Points (III & II)

Finally, it was somewhat asinine of Wilson to expect that France or Britain, both of whom had invested and sacrificed far more than the United States, would simply agree with whatever he proposed.

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>>2466825

>>2467017
What good motives did Marx have in your opinion?

>>2467043
>Simple, if you're going to pursue a policy focused on self-determination you can't tell a whole portion of the world that the concept doesn't apply to them because Britain, France, or Belgium owns them.
Baby steps. Giving every single nation in the world their own state at the same time would have been an absolute shit show. Giving Central/Eastern Euro nations the first chance was fitting due to that being the starting point of the war.

I don't think he did expect them to listen to everything he said without disagreement but that's more a fault with Western Euro national leadership and how they put their own interests over the long term interests of the region. It certainly doesn't mean Wilson did anything wrong by speaking his own correct ideas.

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>implying trump doesn't deserve to be at the top

>implying he's a villain

I was going to do an EU version but I can't think of anyone above MEH

>>2467017

t. Butthurt Tankie

>>2466226
>Loius XIV
>villain
>Napoleon
>villain

wtf mate?

>>2465618
>wanting a free market when the free market has already screwed his country over
wew lad

>>2466093
Remove Bush and I will find this acceptable. He could have stopped 9/11, he could have not gone to war with Iraq

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poland

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try to find fault

And before you say Andrew Jackson, 'Ol Hickory was a hero and ONLY a hero.

>>2467165
I found the fault, you weren't properly aborted. Tell your mother to do it outside of the back alley next time.

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Thoughts?

>>2467209
Swap Italy with Nazi Germany, then put Nazi Germany in shit tier. Vichy doesn't really belong in meh tier though.

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r8

>>2467209
Communists aside, how are they villains?

>>2467209
Edgy.

>>2466629
I feel like deGaulle deserves better than this...

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>>2467126
Now the real Poland one

>>2467209
Vichy clearly fits the 2nd one
Much more than Imperial Japan does

>>2467260
This just goes to prove how the tiers are actually meaningless.

>>2467165
>Abraham Lincoln
>A villain

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v582kPp43Mg

>>2467235
TJ and Lee were def respected heroes of both sides of their conflicts...very well liked

Ben Arnold is a very underrated villain. Nixon was only in it for himself, not for survival. he was shit tier

Taney was pure evil and Bill Clinton is in the right place

>>2467273
Unless you are from the deep south like I am, you wouldn't understand

nobody likes Lincoln here. He's a villain to 50% of the people here.

I personally think he is a hero, but he is considered a villain by many people.

>>2465816
Why is MLK on this list at all?

>>2466938
>adenauer
>villain
pick one and only one

>>2466846
>>2466870
>country doesn't have republic or monarchy
>country has no way to legitimize the government or deal with succession
>country burns down

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>>2466998
Based Codreanu

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>>2465420

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>>2465420
Best UK version

>>2467335

>Caesar would never have been monarch

Senator pls go back to playing college ball.

>>2467408
>>2467373
Fuck you guys too, Richard III is the top. Fucking Shakespeare brainwashed you all.

>>2467209
>Elder God Tier
Italy
>Great Tier
Finland
>High Tier
Soviet Union
>Mid Tier
Empire of Japan
>Meh Tier
Nazi Germany
>Shit Tier
Vichy France

>>2467273

Enlighten me please as to exactly why Lincoln is a hero.

>>2467408
Churchill should be shit tier, tony blair should have his own category

>>2467432
Killed a bunch of traitorous whores, trying to fuck up the country. He's basically the Octavian of the US except he got killed right after the war.

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>>2466825
>All this wrong

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>>2467373
>Longshanks
>Villain
>Elizabeth
>Villain
>Wallace
>Villain
>Bruce
>Villain
>Cromwell
>Villain
>>2467408
>Wellington
>Villain
>Churchill
>Villain
>Rhodes
>Villain
>Maggie
>Villain
>Cromwell
>See above

>>2467456
Churchill was absolutely a villain
And Cromwell let the Jews back in

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>>2467456
ayyy sup I'll take that kingdom back, thank you very much

>>2467373
Cromwell is actually Elder God Tier.

>>2466357
>truman
>great

>>2467408
Wellesley is a villain? Almost every Brit considers him a hero.

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>>2467458
>muh joos
>>2467464
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Roundheads, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Cavaliers, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in crushing gorilla warfare and I’m the top musketeer in the entire parliamentary armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the 3 Kingdoms and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with one beheading. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the Parliamentary army and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

>>2467444

>expect a cogent reply
>get a shitpost

Anyone else want to enlighten me?

>>2465420
Change Porfirio for Maximilian, he is remembered as a villain
Feels like Santa Anna should be there

>>2467501
>implying funposts can't also be true
CSA were traitors to their nation threatening to split the US in two would have fucked up everything for the CSA and made the USA far less powerful in the years to come. Not to mention they were fighting for a meme cause that wasn't sustainable in the foreseeable future anyway. If you honestly think the CSA as an entity is even slightly defensible you are an imbecile. You can defend your precious generals but don't pretend that Lincoln didn't do us all a huge favor by stomping that shitshow out.

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>>2467497
>implying you'll ever find Charles
Roundheads, more like buttheads

>>2467496
/his/ has a bad case of Napolepsy. The entire board constantly shakes due to Napoleon being simultaneously loved and hated by everyone here. Thus we also love and hate all of his greatest enemies.

>>2465687
Literally whoes

>tfw no Haiti

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>>2467654
He's literally every tier

>>2467571

Yes because fighting a war amongst ourselves and potentially getting European powers involved would be a much better alternative to simply splitting up. It's not like we would have ever united against common enemies in times of need despite out differences. There really aren't any examples of 13 political entities collaborating to form a defense.

Also forgot the fact that Russia prevented certain European powers from getting from getting involved.

>>2467727
Why the hell would the two Americas ever work together? That's like expecting Norman controlled England/Normandy to work together with France and both of them to work together with Norman Sicily. It wouldn't have happened. not to mention no functioning nation in their right mind would ever just allow a huge portion of their nation to break away due to an issue that the entire world had already decided on and had no business splitting them considering the shared language, cultural norms, religious beliefs, and economic systems that were inexorably tied together. The CSA was an absolutely retarded idea and keeping the US unified was absolutely worth the lives it cost.

>>2465618
Yea NAFTAs done real great for Mexico.

Kek

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>>2467496
>Wellingshit
>not villain

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>>2467654
Do you really expect Haitians to be on /his/?

>>2466383
>Bernie just wants free shit
He's not in college or on stamps. He really wants to do what's best by the country, as evinced by his rhetoric against the rich (the people who fund the campaign of a moneylet like Sanders) and his calling himself anything with "social" in the description.

>>2466629
I want Girondins to leave

>>2466825
Fuck off, Optimate scum.

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>>2467029

>>2466991
Jefferson Davis was against Secession.

He was speaking against it until it happened. Then they asked him to be president.

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>>2465420
>Israel's villains
From top to bottom:

Gamal Abdel Nasser
>President/Prime Minister of Egypt, largely defending Egypt from the influence of foreign powers.

King Hussein
>King of Jordan. Never really wanted to go to war with Israel, but Jordan was continuously pressured by other Arab countries. Signed a peace treaty in the 90s.

Hassan Nasrallah
>Leader of Hezbollah, still butthurt over the Israeli occupation of Southern Lebanon a few decades ago.

Khaled Mashal
>Leader of Hamas, regularly provokes Israel into wars in order to gain popular support.

Mahmoud Abbas
>Commitment to the peace process is largely unknown.

Yasser Arafat
>Amasses a personal wealth equating to 25% of the Palestinian GDP.

No Brazil yet, I'm just waiting for the revisionists of the 20 year long dictatorship alt-right faggots to start posting their joke of an opinion here.

>Lula, the first nationalistic president we had since the military ones, as a villain

>>2466703
Luther should be on mid tier - he was only obeying his nature as a retard

>>2466629
>Robesppire out for power
If that is your best criticism of him then fuck off

>>2468399
>>2467096

>>2466093
>Washington
>villain
Please defect to North Korea

>>2465816
Fucking nice.
>nixon
Wanted to kill commies
>Bush
Justifiably invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. Made a lot of fuck ups in the Occupational period, but was dealt a shit hand.
>MLK
solid
>Koch Brothers
solid
>Bernie
I'd prefer having Trump up here, but that's more so because i'm a Trump supporter and biased in this case. I'm a bit confused by a lot of what Trump does in terms of PR
>Shit tier
If we put Trump in meh tier, I'd say put Hillary here.

>>2466598
>the situation they find themselves in
Because God forbid the cotton plantation aristocracy might have to dip into their huge profit margins to pay their workers

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>>2468384
>Nasrallah
>not great tier

>Elder God Tier
>Not Khomeini

hmm...

>>2467126
>małysz
DELET THIS

>>2465618
You don't know history huh?
Also
>Porfirio was killed
He ran away and lived a peaceful life in his favorite country

>>2466226
Robespierre is High Tier

>>2468417
No, he's just evil.

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Not sure what to do with mid and shit tier

>>2468614
>evil
Spooky. As for the non-spooky corruption, Robespierre lived extremely modestly and died with no debts. His lifestyle barely changed when he came into power. So many criticism can be applied to Robsippre, but to call someone who was unironically called the Incorruptible corrupt is just ideological butthurt

>>2468689
You're right. I judged him based on his actions, rather than the nature of motivations.

My opinion remains that he is a villain, but even all the bad things he did were in support of his ideology, despite how damaging his ideology may have been. At least that makes him a decent villain.

>>2465420
does Serbia have a villain?

>>2467581
who's this guy

>>2467373
Mary actually belongs to Elder God tier.

>>2466703
What a shit list

>>2467165
>retaliating against misdeeds done to them
>people called me mean names on twitter :'(

>>2466383
>bernie just wants free shit
And free shit often benefits the nation economically, as can be seen with instiutions such as the NHS, Police, and firefighters.

>>2466591
Tony was a Jackass but at the very least he had an alright domestic policy.

>>2466663
I'm not an american, but how is abe a villain?

>>2466226
Nice, but i would switch Robespierre and Napoleon, and add Richelieu instead of Louis XIV

>>2467125
Clinton gutted the CIA of human intel resources. Didn't build up a proper counter terror department after the first Trade Center attack. Gave up on every chance to get Bin Laden him self. Thinking the Sudanese and Saudis would handle it for him.

Then leaves office telling bush to watch out for Al-Queso.

All the hijackers were suspect to various federal agencies. Yet they weren't talking to each other.

>>2467240
Oh fuck off back to r*ddit with your braindead "meme" lingo

Or make another natural borders of france thread

>>2466591
>cromwell
t. no fun roundhead twat

>>2466226
Good post anon.

>>2469923
"Lincoln was a tyrant" is a common phrase uttered by Confederaboos and libertarians alike.

Of course, he suspended habeas corpus, but all things considered ends justified the means.

>>2466742
Actually accurate. I'd change Victor Jara for Miguel Enriquez though. Bards can't be villains.

>>2468399
>Lula
>nationalistic

Faggot let Bolivia take our oil plants and his whole project was selling us out to Cuba and Venezuela. Fuck him, he is shit tier.

Conqueror edition.

Elder God: I don't want to say Nappy but I'll say Nappy

Great: Cyrus the Great

High: Julius Caesar

Mid: Genghis Khan

Meh: Alexander the Great

Shit: Timur the Lame

>>2470531
On second thought Pyrrhus might be better for Meh tier than Alexander.

>>2467235
Best American one so far

>>2466226
>Napoleon
>Napoleon III
>Evil

You are either the most hardcore communist on earth or just a retard, but I'd wager on the latter considering you put Pétain in there which no communist would have done.

>>2466629
You're no better, legitimist scum.

>>2466825
Who is the guy under Pompey and the two guys above Caesar?

>>2465687
craxi wasn't a villain in any way

>>2466291
>harmless
>mass murderer
Pick one

>>2466093

t. /pol/

>>2465769
I don't disagree, but I feel that Husák should also be somewhere on that list. #BrezhnevDidNothingWrong

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No, I'm not a southerner.

>>2466663
LBJ should 100% be in high tier. most underrated pres of 20th century. most overrated is toss-up between reagan and clinton

>>2466755
that's not what happened. russia and uk are as much at fault as germany. don't know about france's role.

>>2466770
huey long - shit tier
henry kissinger - obeying nature

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>>2465420

>>2466594
And his government was even more incompetent retard

>>2466938
>No Strasser in the top
Hitler hijacked national socialism

>>2467126
God bless you anon, quality kek

>>2467126
move meh tier to elder god tier

>>2465816
Well meme'd.

>>2466093
>Washington a villain
How?

>>2471477
>>Washington a villain
>How?
Treason

>>2469689
Charles II was King of England. When he was younger, Cromwell deposed and killed his father. Cromwell's cronies tried to find and kill him but he pretended to be a peasant and escaped to France. Later he came back and was reinstated as King. Charlie's known most for being a party boy though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5myp7MAgS68

>>2471807
>high tier Nazi Germany
>shit tier 2nd Reich
Explain. Also ISIS are your allies.

>>2471839
Nazi Germany is a villain retaliating against misdeeds done to it. It is trying to change society as a whole.
2nd Reich is a villain who is just evil or lust for power.

>>2468447

Trump's PR is a carefully constructed maze of traps for the media

>>2467209
>Elder God
Italy
>Great
Vichy
>High
Funland
>Mid
Imperial Japan
>Meh
Nazis
>Shit
Cyka blat

>>2467408
>Based Maggie
>A Villain
>Seems almost insane at times

I'm surprised you were able to stop drinking long enough to post, degenerate northern filth.

>>2468384
>Israeli villains
>No Saddam
>No Khomeni
Shitty, shitty list.

>>2471960
>completely destroyed manufacturing

Are you stupid?

>>2469923
Lincoln fully expected to be dragged through the courts after the war ended. He was fully aware that he was playing extremely fast and loose with the constitution, and his grand strategy for fighting the war (That is "Throw Irish recruits at them until they run out of men") was brutally effective.

>>2470830
>LBJ most underrated
Not really, he's pretty well remembered for muh civil rights. Most underrated is clearly Nixon.

>>2468457
Wouldn't call Nasrallah reluctant, I see him more as an opportunist. Hezbollah is more just a reaction to the occupation of Lebanon.

>>2471968
>Saddam
Wasn't really a villain who Israel fought and more of a geopolitical foe
>Khomeini
See above

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>>2465816
you made it to 21 posts before fucking up this time, nice job faggots

>>2467994
>>2469906
>commies on /his/
not surprised either

>>2466226
Replace Petain with De Gaulle desu
Also, who's at shit tier? Charlemagne? Sorry I can't tell.

>>2471983
[citation needed]

>>2472046
Just look at how modern Britain produces fuck all and subsides entirely on shady bankers making money through bullshit means that should mostly be illegal.

>>2470830
LBJ is the reason this nation went Mach-5 into the shitter you illiterate fool, the amount of exectuive overreach, legislative proposals, demographic fuckery, and the Vietnam war rest entirely on his Austinite shoulders

plus the whole "assassinate his more popular, more noble superior" thing

>>2466054
He advocated children to participate in the Birmingham protests. Was a bit of a dick move to use teenagers as emotional leverage, but it had to be done imo.

>>2466703
This. But I would have put William II one rank higher.

>>2466591
All of these people are genuine villains. Fucking brits

>>2472062
So no citation then?

>>2472085
Yes, no citation, just the real world

>>2472108
It's been 36 years since Thatcher was in office. I suppose the next several PMs had nothing to do with this decline? Didn't try to stop it?

>>2472117
What are you talking about?
ALL of our PMs in the past 80 years have been shit.
For all I know, parliament has NEVER fucking worked.

I just hate people who praise thatcher as some economic hero

>>2467408
stupid mick

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>>2467238

>>2472191
No, seriously, what did they do?

Can someone make one for Canada?

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>>2471077
>"le Gustavus Adolphus was da best Sabaton told me so"
>A fucking slav puppet of a danish overlord "made Sweden great again"
>Uninspired
>Polack occupant

>"HNÄG LANDSFÖRÄDDARNA >>>>>>:(((("

At least try, faggot.


Queen Margareta
Only wanted to usher in an era of Scandinavian harmony and unity and would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for those meddling Swedes and that lousy son

Olaus Petri
"Ja! Om det är en olycka att bli berövad all jordisk lycka, att släpas i fängelse, att lida fattigdom, hånas och smädas för sanningen - då är du inte värd en så stor olycka!". Only did what he knew in his heart he had to do to follow the word of the LORD

Engelbrekt
Revolutionary, hero of the common man, destroyer of krauts

Nils Dacke
Poor mans Robin Hood. Tax evading hick

Gustav IV
Shame on his fathers name. Lost Finland, opposed french revolution and payed the price for it. The anti-thesis to the enlightened despot

Jacob Johan Anckarström
Reactionary retard, Gustav IIIs murderer. Offed an enlightened leader for more shekels for the nobility

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>>2466093 is better than >>2465816

Trump is pretty meh tier and Hillary is genuinely evil.

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>>2472202
I gotchu bud

>>2472040
>Also, who's at shit tier? Charlemagne? Sorry I can't tell.

William le Conquerorn a French duke who invaded England for the lulz

>>2472374
Kek

>>2472443
TRIPS CONFIRM

>>2470601
above caesar are gaius and tiberius gracchus

>>2471850
>Kaiserreich
>Evil

Pick one

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>>2468399
Here's one. Though I'm not very sure about Pedro I, I can say he was pretty bad and irrensponsible at his job.

>Vargas
Manipulated everyone everywhere to keep his political influence but ultimately devoted himself to help his country until the very end.
>Dilma
She didn't seem to actually do anything on her own and is now regarded as a villain by everyone.
>Lacerda
Got shitted at most of the time along with UDN and ended up contributing to the military overthrow of the government.
>Collor
Invested most of his power on self-propaganda. Also fucked the economy. Might be a better candidate for shit tier villain.
>Jango
Did everything wrong in the worst way possible such as trying to align with Che Guevara during a very polarized moment of brazilian politcs. Ended up trying to restore his popularity by pretending to resignate his presidency, which ended up making him actually resignated.
>Pedro I
He was just lucky. Pedro II was miles better than his father.

not sorry for engrish

>>2472443
kek

>>2470531

t. John Green

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>>2465816
>Elder God Tier
>Not Andrew Jackson

>>2472774
>John Green
>loving Napoleon "Bane of Haiti" Bonaparte

>>2466291
>harmless
Tell that to the Libyans

>>2465816
I know this is 4chan and all brah but... mlk? Seriously?

>>2466054
Malcolm X was the good guy because he wanted racial separation.

>>2465816
>MLK
>An incredibly skilled orator and writer with a background in religion that'd shame most modern-day protestants
>Advocated civil disobedience but somehow actually managed to keep most African Americans in line with the most important part of it: quietly and peacefully accepting the consequences of their actions so they may bring attention to the injustice of "justice"
>Villain

Malcolm X should be there instead for fueling modern day protests. If MLK was actually an influence these days BLM wouldn't be nearly as obnoxious.

>>2472785

>he thinks Greene is dumb

He only mentioned Nappy on top because he knows this is a Frogophile firing range and is trying to fit in.

>>2466011
who's #2? With the spear in him?

hell who is everyone?

>>2472833
see >>2472820

MLK wanted coexistence of wildly different peoples and thus conflict, Malcolm X wanted separation.

>>2472805

>>>/BlackTwitter/

>>2466774
>Best president of all time
>Thomas Jefferson exists

>>2472846
Separation isn't economically or civilly feasible.

You can't make poor as fuck people move to a country with nothing there across an ocean, along with tons of other poor people, and expect good things to happen, nor can you expect separation of races to ever turn out well.

It was either MLK and equality or the majority of blacks moving to Canada illegally and filling out the backwoods.

>>2472865
>and expect good things to happen
to them

>>2472865
>You can't make poor as fuck people move to a country with nothing there across an ocean
We already did it once :^)

>>2472833

>An incredibly skilled orator and writer with a background in religion that'd shame most modern-day protestants

"I ain't no Nigga today, Sheeeeeit!
BRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPP"-Mlk Assassination tapes

What did he mean by this?

>>2472871
Got me there.

>>2472872
Shitposting aside, his speeches are some damn good stuff. If you bothered to read them you'd understand why a desperate people would be willing to follow him to the ends of the earth.

>>2472865

>what is Liberia

It can be done

>>2472895

>He actually believes mlk wrote any of his speeches

Holy kek

Stanley Levinson