How much sense do D&D alignments make morally and ethically?

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like all reductions there are "grey areas" and inaccuracies, but they are good for illustrating processes that exist in the wider world

>>2463576
Nietzsche special power means he can move to any alignment effortlessly, as suits his whim

>>2463576

None really at all. Those aren't traits which describe real people, and even pleb fiction has largely moved away from inexplicably "evil" characters.

>>2463948
>and even pleb fiction has largely moved away from inexplicably "evil" characters
Seems like inexplicably evil charactersit was a relatively new concept in terms of human fiction desu. This being said, depending on your moral system people exist who are inexplicable evil.

>>2463948
What about inexplicably "good" characters?

>>2463604
No, no they are not.

They're useful for what they were designed for: playing a fun, relatively lighthearted fantasy game that's complex enough that you get to make open-ended moral choices, but simple enough that you can almost always separate people into "good guys" and "bad guys" (the bad guys often being readily apparent because they're really ugly and have fangs or are literally demons or whatever).

It works great for that.

The further away from that you get, the sillier it gets.

Once you start labeling yourself, real people in your life, historical figures, contemporary politicians, etc as "chaotic good" or "lawful evil" the way some DnD fans do, you need to take about twenty steps back.

>>2463576
Not much, but it's fun to try and apply it to real things anyway. You can't really apply good and evil outside of a religious context, and lawful and chaotic are too nebulous of concept to perfectly define actions, let alone people, by.

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>>2463576
What lessons about morality can playing Dungeons & Dragons tell us?

>>2464157
People who like chaotic neutral are embarassing

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>>2463576
Could work under a Kantian framework,

Good-neutral-evil could be frequency of following the Categorical Imperative,

Lawful-neutral-chaotic could be the reasoning behind moral decisions.

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Not sure about chaotic neutral
Chaotic Evil does not exist or is just used for someone which policy you do not like

>>2464232
>not putting churchill at chaotic evil

Lawful good=Finland
Lawful neutral=Switzerland
Lawful evil= doesn't exist

Neutral good=Norway
Neutral neutral=France
Neutral evil=Sweden

Chaotic good= Ireland(IRA)
Chaotic neutral= United States
Chaotic evil=Russia

>>2464232
>Chaotic Evil does not exist
>there were no historical figures who were insane and wanted to hurt people

>>2464310
>Chaotic neutral= United States
>Chaotic evI'll = Russia
Switch these two and your right. USA destabilize the world funding ISIS, "moderate rebels" allying with Saudia Arabia and Israel etc. meanwhile Russia represents a conservative regional power with authoritarian and soft imperistic tendency but beyond that is a pretty standard fair nation.

>>2463987
Are you implying Hitler was not the Chaotic Evil to Stalin's Lawful Evil?

>>2464356
Hitler deliberately chose perceived enemies of the state to detain while Stalin sent everyone to gulag in a mad fit. Also German inclination to be orderly and follow law far outstripped Russian barbarity.

>>2464355
>meanwhile Russia represents a conservative regional power with authoritarian and soft imperistic tendency but beyond that is a pretty standard fair nation.

invading ukraine, georgia and syria doesnt equal "soft imperialistic tendency" you moron

>>2464418
What does invading Iraq, Afghanistan and ousting Libya's lawful leader equal?

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>>2464232
fix'd

>>2464451
also hard imperialism

>>2464451
>>2464462
Lawful good

>>2464466
>>2464462

America took stable countries and plunged them into chaos. It's by definition chaotic evil. Meanwhile Georgia and Ukraine are still functioning states.

>>2464473
but America installed the dictators that made them stable in the first place

/tg/ your Mom called. It's time to go home. She said you're late for dinner.

>>2464355
>>2464451
both should be considered evil
>>2464466
stop watching murican propaganda

>>2464476
Before that they were either stable monarchies or parts of European Empires.

Also Russia installed their own rule of law in Crimea, Abkhazia and South Ossetia. They also attempt to do it in East Ukraine. Unlike Americans who just fuck shit up for organ harvesting and opium or whatever.

>>2464476
how do you explain Iran and Chile then?

>>2464491
what's there to explain?

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>>2464473
>ukraine
>functioning state

>>2464497
>Compared to Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan
I said Russia tried to leave it funcitoning. Compared to America's wars in MENA Ukraine is a paradise.

>>2463576
Pleb-tier morality designed for a fictional universe where it's ok to slaughter people with funny skin tones and take all their valuables because an actual god told you it was okay.

Good vs evil is essentially nice guys vs assholes and lawful vs chaotic is essentially plays-by-the-rules vs breaks-all-the-rules. It's useful to help 14 year old nerds know what kind of person their friend's character is, but it breaks down when applied to real life because nobody has a really cohesive definition of good and evil.

>>2463576
nothing like it exists IRL

it's influenced by Tolkein's and C.S Lewis' "Good vs Evil" which was in turn influenced by Christianity.

>>2463576
The concept of "neutrality" is bullshit.
"Neutral" is just lazy evil. You don't actively try to do evil deeds that take effort but you're still an asshole who lets bad things happen.

>>2463576
Using game alignment system is just childish.

There are no evil people in this world, not now, not in the past, nor in the future.

People are not single one of these things all the time. Everyone is a good guy doing good things in their mind. Everyone has a father/mother. They will know sorrow, happiness, anger, fear, love, hate, etc all in their lifetime. There are no humans where only one static emotion occupy their mind.

>>2464761
Whenever you say this, neutralfags bombard you with the notion they're not bad because they're not actively doing terrible things and are just being rationally self-interested.
>>2464901
There are no evil people but there are good people? It doesn't matter how much of a good guy you are in your mind and blah blah if you're raping and murdering people, sir.

>>2464761
>>2466701
That would be neutral evil.

>>2466769
The former anon was talking about people who would not do anything in their power to aid those in dire need. So you have someone who is only concerned with himself and his own or acts purely on his own whim.

Some neutralfags know this would reflect badly on their character, so they do gymnastics to not seem like terrible people while not being especially good either. Like helping someone based on personal cost-benefit.