Civilization was almost started in Europe

FYI, one of their cities, Talianki, was multiple times larger than any other city on Earth at the time.

AYO

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We were hyperboreans and junk?

>>2461963

Dude, they were so white modern Scandinavians are foreigners in comparison.

Interesting. Thanks for sharing anon. I guess Europe will have to be content with being the apex of civilization then.

>>2461981
>Scandinavians
>white in comparison with the hyperboreans
Dude they don't even shine.

Sounds like I'm almost intrigued

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>>2461944

When you achieve the largest cities on Earth, have proto writing and are about to become humanities leading civilization, but Mother Nature decides:

"Nah, mass famine and societal collapse."

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i-it's real

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>>2461999

Happened to the Natufians too.

Nature is a bitch.

>>2461999
>>2462003
Would read a fantasy novel about this.

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>>2461999

Of course it is, it always has been;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vin%C4%8Da_symbols

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispilio_Tablet

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C4%83rt%C4%83ria_tablets

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gradeshnitsa_tablets


Also;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decline_and_end_of_the_Cucuteni%E2%80%93Trypillian_culture

"Almost no artifacts have been found that would have been meant for defense against a human enemy. No skeletal remains have been found that would indicate the person had been killed with a weapon. Only at the end of their culture did they begin to build walls and ditches around their settlements, yet still no weapons have been found."

Holy Mother of God.

We have to go back.

They may have went on to become the Sea People

>>2462031

>They may have went on to become the Sea People

I don't think you understand how old we are talking about here, these people predate Sumerians and were in decline already 1500 years before the Sea Peoples.

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>>2462030
>yet still no weapons have been found
T-the Golden Age!

First of all the deathless gods who dwell on Olympus made a golden race of mortal men who lived in the time of Cronos when he was reigning in heaven. And they lived like gods without sorrow of heart, remote and free from toil and grief: miserable age rested not on them; but with legs and arms never failing they made merry with feasting beyond the reach of all evils. When they died, it was as though they were overcome with sleep, and they had all good things; for the fruitful earth unforced bare them fruit abundantly and without stint. They dwelt in ease and peace upon their lands with many good things, rich in flocks and loved by the blessed gods.

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The continent of Atlantis was an island
Which lay before the great flood
In the area we now call the Atlantic Ocean.
So great an area of land,
That from her western shores
Those beautiful sailors journeyed
To the South and the North Americas with ease,
In their ships with painted sails.
To the East Africa was a neighbour,
Across a short strait of sea miles.
The great Egyptian age is

But a remnant of The Atlantian culture.
The antediluvian kings colonised the world
All the Gods who play in the mythological dramas
In all legends from all lands were from far Atlantis.

Knowing her fate,
Atlantis sent out ships to all corners of the Earth.
On board were the Twelve:

The poet, the physician, The farmer, the scientist,
The magician and the other so-called Gods of our legends.
Though Gods they were -
And as the elders of our time choose to remain blind
Let us rejoice
And let us sing
And dance and ring in the new Hail Atlantis!

>>2462048
>no weapons
wow, so besides being ultra peaceful they could make predators ultra peaceful as well

>>2462030

> Economic model; Generalized reciprocity or gift economy

Yeah, they were white as fuck alright.

Meanwhile, Gilgamesh and his crew in the Middle East demand the wives of their own subjects as recreational vessels.

Fuck you climate, you ruined mankind.

>>2462058

> wow, so besides being ultra peaceful they could make predators ultra peaceful as well

Perhaps they were so strong and alpha that predators fucked off on sight.

>>2462040
Yeah, Sea People coincided with the Bronze Age Collapse and the Battle of Troy, my mistake.

I remember reading about a bronze age battle in northern Germany with around 40 thousand fighters, which greatly surprised the researchers because northern Europe (particularly around 2nd millenium BC) was not densely populated. Maybe that's linked?

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What was the big empty field in the center for, religious purposes?

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>>2462083
To comemorate the Black Sun.

>>2462083

> What was the big empty field in the center for, religious purposes?

Probably, these guys were a part of the scary and mysterious "Burned house horizon" that really loved to burn stuff;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burned_house_horizon

The perhaps would build temples in the middle only to burn them down in a large fire.

>>2462103
holy crap that's whacky

>>2461997
Reminds me of the Black and White games.

>>2462030
And that is why the government should take away everyone's guns.

>>2462130
Nope. Not in the Kali Yuga and in the vicinity of degenerate races.

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Not so fast, Yuropoors: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe

This other culture/civilization in Europe was developed by the same people who responsible for Göbekli Tepe. Agriculture was brought to Europe by immigrants from Anatolia. Today Sardinians are the closest people to them genetically. Indigenous Europeans were dumb savages who could never accomplish anything on their own.

>>2462154

> Not so fast, Yuropoors

Gobekli tepe is still declared as a work of nomadic peoples by archaeology and nothing more but a ritualistic site of religion.

You are comparing a temple to cities up to 30-40 000 people.

> Agriculture was brought to Europe by immigrants from Anatolia

Arguable, but irrelevant.

> Indigenous Europeans were dumb savages who could never accomplish anything on their own.

Which is why they developed proto writing thousands of years before Egyptians did?

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>>2461944
>climate
are we sure it wasn't rude indo-eu*opean bullies being mean?

>>2462012
Conan the Barbarian, my dude

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>mfw the balkanpill is real

>>2462165
>You are comparing a temple to cities up to 30-40 000 people

You're forgetting that it dates to fucking 11,500 years ago, while the Cucuteni-Trypillian culture dates 6800 years ago. That's from the early Neolithic period, which was marked by migrations from Anatolia to Europe.

>Which is why they developed proto writing thousands of years before Egyptians did?

Indigenous Europeans = hunter gatherers savages. They never developed agriculture on their own.

Don't feed the troll. His envy and resentment for whites is showing.

>>2462202

> You're forgetting that it dates to fucking 11,500 years ago

I am not.

It is still just a fucking temple, nothing more.

> while the Cucuteni-Trypillian culture dates 6800 years ago.

With over 200 confirmed cities compared to 3-4 around the Gobekli Tepe area lol.

> Indigenous Europeans = hunter gatherers savages

Erm no;

Everyone = hunter gatherers savages

> They never developed agriculture on their own.

That is still up for debate and is arguable.

A good portion of historiography states that agriculture developed independently.

Also, even if it did not, it changes nothing, because agriculture does not mean civilization, it merely means settlement, which was usually just miniscule villages scattered all over the place.

>>2462202
to be fair I would wait to see what kind of people were hanging around in the Balkans and Greece during the mesolithic, the whole area is unsampled and I think it could've been an important ice age refuge perhaps linked to later anatolians
the only data I'm aware of is a mesolithic Greek mtDNA K1 which does support a link with anatolian farmers
after all late European foragers do show increased affinity with the near east

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How do mud races live with themselves?

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>>2462217
Read about genetic studies from Neolithic Anatolia and Europe. They were very different to modern Europeans besides Sardinians. You're trying to WE WUZ a people that have very little to do with you. Only Sardinians can WE WUZ them.

>>2462223

Not to mention that Anatolians at the time were basically caucasian looking if not white.

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>>2462240
Sardinians are pretty dark though.

>Nikitin (2011) analyzed mtDNA recovered from Cucuteni-Trypillian human osteological remains found in the Verteba Cave (on the bank of the Seret River, Ternopil Oblast, Ukraine). It revealed that seven of the individuals whose remains where analysed belonged to: two to haplogroup HV(xH), two to haplogroup H, one to haplogroup R0(xHV), one to haplogroup J, and one to haplogroup T4, the latter also being the oldest sample of the set.
Wow, what a clusterfuck. So much for le pure ancient European race.

>>2462223
and btw, just yesterday or few days ago, some mtDNA from mesolithic Sardinia was released, and it was nothing like the WHGs, they found I and J while most WHGs were U, so maybe there was a different kind of European forager hanging around in the south
hopefully they manage to extract some nuclear DNA as well

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>>2462250
*Googles Sardinian women*
Looks pretty white to me, Jamal ibn Hussein.

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So this is what they looked like.

>cold regions have white people
>warm regions have mixed people
>hot regions have black people
if you want to blow my mind show me a black civilization from a frozen tundra then we'll talk

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>>2462270
Darkest people of Italy though. Both in skin color and eye and hair color.

>>2462259

> Wow, what a clusterfuck. So much for le pure ancient European race.

> Using haplogroups for anything more than a meme.

> Being retarded.

well this thread went to shit quickly.

>>2462279
Uh, your point being? Whites have a diversity of phenotypes, in contrast to other races, that are monotonic.

Left one in your cherry pick is obviously mixed race.

>>2462286
>I hate genetic research because it doesn't fit my narrative

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Why do some people hate diversity and want everybody to be turd-colored?

>>2462289
>Whites

Stop using this buzzword. Most stormfags think Southern Italians aren't white and even the majority of Italians sometimes, so Sardinians should be niggers to them.

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>>2462290

>I hate genetic research because it doesn't fit my narrative

> Does not understand that it means very little to physical characteristics, especially for race.

R1a for instance, like many others, is ridiculous for arguing about anything, it goes from fucking Poland with gaps til fucking Afganistan.

It is ridiculous.

>>2462307
They're wrong.

>>2462315
>especially for race
Race is an obsolete concept. This is a true meme, not haplogroups.

>>2462315

Haplogroups and ethnic genetics is the Phrenology of our time.

>>2462321
>implying facial structure isn't correlated with certain personality traits

Does anyone buy into the idea that these ancient cultures we perceive as the beginning of civilization are actually the remnants of an advanced civilization before them?

>>2461944
Do you have skull measurements or photos? I cant find anything.

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>mfw first european civilization was slavic

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>>2462321
>Haplogroups and ethnic genetics is the Phrenology of our time.

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just leaving this here

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>>2462348

> Do you have skull measurements or photos? I cant find anything.

Here are some.

It is difficult to find stuff because most of the stuff is not translated in English because of a lack of interest, most is in Russian/Ukrainian/Romanian/Serb/Croatian etc. and half of it is not even in latin script ffs.

>>2462217

> With over 200 confirmed cities

Who's gonna make a navy seal copypasta about this?

>>2462372
Learn what "out of africa" means and then come back.

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>>2461944

Seems quite cozy to live in.

>>2462374
Thanks! They look very Pontic-type Mediterraneans, hence the modern location of that type.

>>2462030
>those patterns
fascinating
why did so many cultures all across the world carve those spiral patterns?

>>2462349

just because slavs are there now doesn't mean they were always there

>>2462349
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_HV_(mtDNA)

They were Finns.

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>>2461944

Holy shit this is real

They were raped to death by Indo-Europeans, but archeologists don't like to mention that because they are trying to peddle a version of pre-history where every migration and cultural assimilation was peaceful, as a way to justify mass migration from the Third World to Western society.

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>implying evolution
>implying Afrika

>>>/wsg/1575625

>>2462349
Slavs are a language group, not a race.

>>2461944
AYOO HOL UP

>>2461944

Holy mother of Fuck;

"Medium and large Cucuteni Tripolye sites of the middle and later phases, 4000 BC onwards, had hundreds of houses. For example, over 200 houses were found at Vladimirovkva, Ukraine, and they were arranged in five concentric circles. At Majdanetskoe, over 1500 rectangular structures were arranged in 10-12 concentric ellipses. Geomagnetic and areal surveys indicate that some sites occupied huge areas; Dobrovody, 250ha, Kosenovka 100ha, Majdanetskoe, 270 ha, and Taljanki, 400ha. It is estimated that there were 1575 hoses at Majdanetskoe and 2700 at Taljanki." - European Prehistory: A Survey, Sarunas Milisauskas

These were enormous cities, the Mesopotamian cities of that period were not even close that size on average.

We are talking 15-35 000 people in areas dozens of times larger than anything else proven during this period.

>>2462439
> They were raped to death by Indo-Europeans, but archeologists don't like to mention that

That is only one theory with major plotholes.

The Indo-Europeans moved in there slowly, decades, even centuries, it was no conquest.

The climate collapse theory is by far the most plausible, as most of the cities collapsed long before the "invaders' came.

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>>2461944

Finally an explanation for all those megaliths in Romania that archaologists do not like to talk about.

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>>2462400

> why did so many cultures all across the world carve those spiral patterns?

No idea, but these guys loved them.

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Noice.

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>>2462508

inb4 aliens did it.

>>2462321

phrenology gets a bad rap in the public education system, forensic anthropologists agree.

>>2462467
It is to be expected for them to have a head start compared to Mesopotamians taking Gobekli tepe and other Neolithic sites in Anatolia into account. The bigger settlements were in the Danube and Tisza river because they were the most prosperous areas for agriculture at the time.

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Literally the fucking Hyborian Age.

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>>2462539

> It is to be expected

Perhaps but, come on dude, Uruk, the might of Mesopotamia, had 8-10 000 people during this time, Maidanetske, in Europe, had 46 000 in the highest estimate lol.

That is insane.

Is the West so sod off from East Europe that they do not care about this?

Why does nobody know of this?

>>2462217
Touché

People don't just become sedentary for no reason. They figured something out if they were there that long

>>2462030
>"Almost no artifacts have been found that would have been meant for defense against a human enemy.
A wall is a defence artifact.
> No skeletal remains have been found that would indicate the person had been killed with a weapon.
We only find those because they keep dumping their in weird places.
I.E That caveman we found in Swiss Alps
>yet still no weapons have been found."
Again is this a sign of no weapons isn't the same as no weapons.
It might be a sign of a culture where everyone didn't need to be armed, or the weapons perished to the tooth of time

>>2462565
The populations were large because of mass migrations from Anatolia and the land being very good for farming.

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>>2462606

> The populations were large because of mass migrations from Anatolia and the land being very good for farming.

No proof of that.

These were likely largely just natives of those lands.

Hell, did you even google how far up north Maidanetske is?

>>2462636
They were native to Anatolia. It is well known agriculture was brought to Europe from there and genetic studies put these people closest to modern Sardinians. Balkaniggers can't WE WUZ them at all.

>>2462521
I find the ayy gals on the left extremely disturbing.

While I don't necessarily support wewuzisms nor agree with the "Europe is the cradle of civilization after all" statement, it's genuinely sad that this culture won't receive any more attention or analysis because of political correctness.

ancient finnish empire.

>>2462648

> They were native to Anatolia.

No proof of that.

> It is well known agriculture was brought to Europe from there

That is still arguable.

> and genetic studies put these people closest to modern Sardinians.

Nope.

> Balkaniggers can't WE WUZ them at all.

Someone is jelly and butthurt.

Someone has to much cum in his eyes.

>>2462648

> Balkaniggers can't WE WUZ them at all.

You cannot be this retarded.

Maidanetske and half of the other cities were 100's of km north of the Balkans.

This is far to much up north for your silly ME obsession to be a solid case.

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>>2462666
>No proof of that.

Dates from the late Neolithic period which is marked by massive migrations from Anatolia to Europe.

>That is still arguable.

No. You're just ignorant.

>Nope.

How many genetic maps do I have to post for you to shut up?

>>2462673
>WE WUZ THE SAME PEOPLE WHO LIVED THERE 7000 YEARS AGO

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>>2462687

> Dates from the late Neolithic period which is marked by massive migrations from Anatolia to Europe.

Except those migrations were largely coming from modern Ukraine westwards.

> No. You're just ignorant.

No, you are just pissy because you are so illiterate that you do not comprehend where the Balkans are, here, I mapped the location of their largest city;

http://i.imgur.com/k4T7znD.png

> How many genetic maps do I have to post for you to shut up?

Your genetic maps show nothing, since no proper genetic research on the human remains of this civilization has been done yet lol.

>WE WUZ THE SAME PEOPLE WHO LIVED THERE 7000 YEARS AGO

I am Iranian you imbecile, I just do not like pissy cunts with cum in their eyes being jealous and trying to steal history like you are doing.

MUH ANATOLIANS GOBEKLI TEPE HUR DUR.

Go die in a religious temple fucktard.

>>2462687
>the world is over 6000 years old.
*tips*

>>2461944

Look like they were on a mesoamerican level of tech. Even the "writing" looks alike.

>>2461944
that is regular slavic you fucking alt-right retard

2/10 made me reply

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>>2462725

> Look like they were on a mesoamerican level of tech.

Yeah, about 5000 years before the mesoamericans lol

>>2462731
That's a description of the picture not the alphabet itself you troglodyte nigger shitskin.

>>2462732

The Mesoamerican's ancestors took a long walk to america. With "long walk" we mean thousands of years. When gobekli tepe happened, the native americans were probably numbered in less than 10,000 because of this.

You're still discussing the color of the skin of some extinct people from thousands of years ago?! Go to bed!

>>2462814
>native americans were probably numbered in less than 10,000

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solutrean_hypothesis

>>2462853
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solutrean_hypothesis
t. retard

Archeaogenetics have shown that Amerindians are a mix of East Asians and Upper Paleothic Siberians.

>>2461944
You eurotrash whites sure are desperate for attention.

>>2462895
Do you have something to say on the subject?

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>>2462895

You jelly of our four necked pottery bitch?

>>2461944

The legends of old are true \\(o_o)//

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdlyVV59Zqk

>>2461944
>tfw hohols are actually masterrace

That's a good thing. Look at the middle East and see how it is doing.

Every area has peak time points where during a period it becomes top tier or near top tier for it's time before falling off. The earlier you become top the harder you fall and the bigger the decline. You have to save it up for an optimal time.

>>2462250
Das rite homey, we be black, shieeeeeeet

>>2462289
>in contrast to other races, that are monotonic.
Which races? Africans have more facial diversity than any other race.

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>>2462250

Dark hair does not automatically mean dark people, which is why all those /pol/ maps are retarded as an argument.

>>2462479
>The Indo-Europeans moved in there slowly, decades, even centuries, it was no conquest.
Keep lying nigger.

Indus Valley was cooler desu.

>>2463430

Dude, their decline lasted for over 400 years, if it was a military conquest, it would be, by far, the slowest conquest in human history.

>>2463427
>Africans have more facial diversity than any other race
Biggest tumblr post I've read on /his/ in a while.

>>2463470
Are you serious? Africa has over 3000 distinct ethnic groups.

>>2463482
Yes, and?

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>>2463488
What are you implying buddo?
>hurr durr africans all look the same

>gift economy
>lack of social stratification
>lack of political elite
>substinence farming

Proto-commie utopians were the most peaceful and blessed society in human history. Hah.

>>2463490
Yes, they are all disgusting niggers

>>2463492
But we wuz masterrace n shieeeeet

>>2463494
Not an argument.

I shouldn't have responded the first time some retard mentioned tumblr right off the bat lol.

>>2462894
You don't need to be a genetic scientist to figure out Siberian tribes and American tribes are extremely similar in appearance

>>2462306
black people can have blue eyes, or red hair too

>>2462121
>>2462103
Maybe they thought the fired clay was holy or something?

>>2463520

> black people can have blue eyes, or red hair too

Yeah, in like 0.00001% cases.

>>2462202

This guy is right.
Paleolithic Siberians(R1b, R1a)=masters of war.
Neolithic farmers(G)= masters of advanced societies but lousy warriors.
Native Europeans(I2)=???

I2 race didn't even create the Solutrean and Aurignacian age cave paintings, an extinct race they replaced did. They created virtually nothing except poop.
Stormfags need to realize Europe was retard central in the past. It's all about the Upper Paleolithic Siberians. With Neolithic concubines they could make societies capable of self-defense as well as advancement.

>>2462306
>and want everybody to be turd-colored?
But the thing is, even light features can't be attributed to all Euro's. It's only Northern ones that manage to have it.

>>2463548

Wtf are you talking about?

The migrations laid and came from Eastern Europe, Siberia does not start with eastern Ukraine lol.

That is all still Europe.

Learn geography.

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>>2463559

I'm talking about the North Eurasian component which is the foundation of Indo-European Yamna people and their hunter gatherer ancestors.
Europeans got dominated by superiors.

>>2463574

> I'm talking about

Yeah, and they came from Eastern Europe.

> Europeans got dominated by superiors.

Silly butthurt cumstain.

>>2463574

> I'm talking about the North Eurasian component

You do realize that those same dudes went south and dominated the Middle Easterners as well yes?

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>>2463596
>and dominated the Middle Easterners as well yes?
And this is why they're the master race today.

>>2463594

No, you fucking retard. North Eurasian isn't derived from Paleolithic Europeans. North Eurasians went into Europe from the east.
Acting like the retard you are isn't an argument.

>>2463596

Who cares?

As a person studying prehistory in Europe, you are all too sure of what you are saying.

>>2463621

>studying prehistory

Yeah you probably are taught all about how pots aren't people right?

>>2462012
the first one is literally from the silmarillion

>>2463630

What do you except when a bunch of burger eaters from Wisconsin get online, read one sentence about some ancient culture and start jerking off to autistic fantasies about hwite pahwer?

Americans are the cancer of the internet and especially 4chan. They will never want to understand anything about the world.

>>2463642
It's not just Americans, mate. You'd be surprised how diverse the whole shit actually is.

>>2463661

Americans are the worst offenders because they've grown up thinking of the world in terms of themselves and nothing else.

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Harald Haarmann, Joan Marler. Reflections on the Old European/Danube Script

in Изкycтвo и идeoлoгия, 2012

Asia is the successor of the Europeans, We are the most civilized continent, in terms of technology, culture and history, we now surpass what our ancestor( all of you europeans )

it's good, not even trolling

>>2463613

> No, you fucking retard. North Eurasian isn't derived from Paleolithic Europeans.

Yes they are lol, it is just you being unable to understand that Europe goes east until the Urals, you think everything west of Moldavia is Asia lol.

>>2463744

>you think everything west of Moldavia is Asia
>west of Moldavia is Asia

Retard.

Anyway, Europe isn't a continent but merely a peninsula of Asia.

The border between "Europe" and "North Eurasia" has to be defined by genetics, the line where I2 people and their associated genetics collide with the R1 carriers.
This line had gradually moved west for thousands of years even before Indo-European invasions which extended it from Ukraine to west coast of Ireland.

>>2463490
bottom left a cute

>>2462344
The Assassin's Creed universe does

>>2463750

> Calls me retard
> Does not geography

>
The border between "Europe" and "North Eurasia" has to be defined by genetics

lol

> the line where I2 people and their associated genetics collide with the R1 carriers.

lol

> This line had gradually moved west for thousands of years even before Indo-European invasions which extended it from Ukraine to west coast of Ireland.

Yes, all within Europe, Europeans merging with other Europeans.

>>2463800

>hurr durr I don't understand something so I say lol

North Eurasians and Europeans were genetically distant enough to be considered separate races.

Obviously, there was racial mixing. R1a and R1b men took themselves the women from inferior European I2 males who weren't strong enough to defend their women from the incoming Siberians.
This racial mixing created a cline. Just because a cline exists doesn't mean the two ends of it belong in the same race. The eastern end was still heavily North Eurasian and this population was the one responsible for Indo-Europeans.

>>2463482
>Africa has over 3000 confirmed ethnic groups and is highly trained in gorilla warfare.

>>2463828

> North Eurasians and Europeans were genetically distant enough to be considered separate races.

lol no.

That is like calling Anglo-Saxons and Slavs different races.

> Obviously, there was racial mixing.

Only in your conspiratorial haplogroup obsessed mind.

> R1a and R1b men took themselves the women from inferior European I2 males who weren't strong enough to defend their women from the incoming Siberians.

That is more like your personal sex fantasy than reality.

Silly chan basement dweller, you are so cute with your pseudohistory.

>>2461999
nice trips and that's Gondolin

>>2463854

Anglo-Saxons and Slavs are closely related.

Europeans and North Eurasians had 30-40k years of genetic drift separating them.

>>2462030
>those pseudo-swastikas

Fucking nazis everywhere I swear

>>2463548

Is there any more info on those Native Europeans?

So for example are the Sardinian pre-historic cultures and the Pelasgians proto-Europeans?Or Asia Minor immigrants?

>>2463930

Sardinians are descended from the people who brought agriculture to Europe from Anatolia 9000 years ago. They have very deep roots in that island going back many thousands of years. Pelasgians would have been mostly the same as Sardinians.

To my knowledge, there were no high cultures created by Native Europeans.

>>2463490
I give you the bottom but most the ones in the upper half are very similar.

>>2463548
R1b and R1a are confirmed among WHGs(autosomally speaking pretty much like the I2), even if ultimately it might have come from east

>>2461944
I mean, the oldest buildings on Earth are found in Europe. This should come as no surprise to anyone.

>>2464052

Mixing is bound to happen between groups close to each other and sometimes a haplogroup will start being associated with another genetic type because of a founder effect.

Still, the I2/R1 genetic border was real thing.
We know there were pretty much just I2 guys west of Lithuania it and R1 guys north and east of it.

>>2463548
>Paleolithic Siberians(R1b, R1a)=masters of war.
>Neolithic farmers(G)= masters of advanced societies but lousy warriors.
>real people are just like my video games!

>>2463674
This

Americans are a special kind of dumb

>implying civilization didn't start in the rich valleys of the lower parts of the Danube, near the Black sea

>>2463674
>somebody that hasn't lived in america
God i hate you guys that just have a bunch of hatred for us for no reason.

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why do non whites always get so palpably butthurt every time a thread like this is made?

we were hyperboreans deal with it

>>2462413
Meme magic?

>>2462250
we are not, we only look dark because of the sun
i constantly have pale tanlines even in the winter
winter is so short here, that I get tanned really fast

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>>2463854
>That is like calling Anglo-Saxons and Slavs different races.
While Upper Paleolithic Siberians/Ancient North Eurasians and Western Hunter Gatherers share a single ancestor they are still separated by tens of thousands of years.

From preliminary research Kostenski 14 and Mal'ta 1 may have East Asian admixture while East Asians may have ANE admixture.

https://academic.oup.com/mbe/article/doi/10.1093/molbev/msw293/2838774/A-Working-Model-of-the-Deep-Relationships-of

>>2461999
You jackass. That's Gondolin.

>>2462154
>Not so fast, Yuropoors

Anatolia was within the European sphere before the Muslims invaded it. If it was Christian, it would be classed as European. The Caucasus are Europe and so is Greece, Anatolia lies between them.

Also, you imply that most Europeans didn't migrate into Europe, you're a retard who should be intellectually sterilized.

>>2462217
>because agriculture does not mean civilization, it merely means settlement
But that is inherently wrong, nomadic peoples harvested wild grasses, which became taming of the land = civilizing it = making life tame peaceful.

>>2466441

African Americans are in the American sphere, thus same as White Americans.

>>2462289
>Left one in your cherry pick is obviously mixed race.
Literally every single person on earth is "mixed race" to one degree or another. Including you and the "whites" you're referencing. A few posters In this thread could probably even make up the '0.5%' related to Genghis Khan

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>>2461944

>look we started it all
>see we be the best

>implying you have any connection to these ancient people because you live in Europe/are descended ftom Europeans or just have pale skin

chances are your ancestors ate boars in the forest at the time and lived in crude tents

>>2468200
>>2467587

salty motherfuckers itt

I don't understand how you have cities of 40k people and not have civilization. I mean wouldn't a city like that require a governing body? What makes these guys different from sumerians and what makes sumerians special?

>>2468200
butthurt

There's some literal and unironic wewuzing going on here

They weren't indo-european and therefore they weren't us. They have no modern equivalent or descendants.

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>genuinely interesting thread started about a super ancient group of people
>thread goes to hell almost immediately due to /pol/ tier shitposting because the ancient people were "da master race"


I cannot fucking stand you fags.

>>2463542
0.0000000001%

Fix'd

>>2466524
Black Americans have little to no actual ties to their African ancestors. Same thing can't be said about many of White Americans.

>>2468228

> I don't understand how you have cities of 40k people and not have civilization.

They did have a civilization, just an egalitarian one.

> I mean wouldn't a city like that require a governing body?

They probably had direct democracy.

> What makes these guys different from sumerians

They were far more successful than Sumerians.

> what makes sumerians special?

They survived the climate collapse, while Europe was utterly annihilated agriculturally and basically all cultures within it were forced to return to nomadic lifestyle.

>>2463687
>>2463696
>>2463702
>>2463708
>>2463712
>>2463714
>>2463716
>>2463720
>>2463725

Noice info drop m8.

Thanks.

>>2463750
R1 is modern day euros right? With r1a being slavs and scytians and shiet and r1b being celts and italics?
So are modern day europoor essentially the descendands of north eurasians?

>>2462231
By not being killed off by Mother Nature

>>2462306
Whites deserve white genocide

>>2469457
t. Commonfilth

>>2469426

Paternal lines don't map to autosomal DNA 1:1.

Mexicans have Spanish paternal lines but indigenous maternal lines.
Europe is like Mexico but the mommies come from farmer cultures like Cucuteni-Trypillia, Funnelbeaker etc and the daddies come from the rowdy steppe raiders who smashed the farmer men's skulls to bits.

http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2017/02/17/1616392114

>>2469464
So wu wuz the original whites and shiet?

>>2469468

I'd say the steppe folks

>>2462275
Detroit and Chicago. Your move

>>2468247
My YDNA is I1a. I WUZ EGALITARIAN FARMER N SHEEIT

>>2469484
>Detroit and Chicago.
>civilisation

>>2469550

WE WUZ EATING MOSS IN DOGGERLAND AND SHIT NIGGUH WE EVEN HAD ROCKS

>>2469464

But it's ok because it was Europeid steppe men vs Europeid farmer, whitey bashing whitey.

Toxic masculinity.

>>2463548
Genetics is not an RPG

>>2469669

Prehistoric life was very much like a game. This whole recent kumbaya-welcome-the-world shit is just going against human nature.
In the past for millions of years humans invaded other tribes lands and genocided them just because they could. Women had the privilege of being fucktoys if they were fit.
Just because it sounds politically incorrect doesn't mean it isn't 100% true.

>>2461997
>pic
>female: long hair
>male: short hair

I'm supposed to believe they invented scissors and modern Western gender-signifiers, too? Shit, maybe they did, in which case I'm all ears, but it seems highly unlikely.

beware the cultural baggage of the interpreter. If they thoughtlessly imposed their current culture on these ancient people, imagine what else they left out or got wrong.

>>2470097
Obsidian razors existed you literal retard

>>2470332
sure. but did these people use them? did the men and not the women?

or did the modern illustrator want to draw a pic of these ancient people and used long and short hair because that's how we now recognize gender?

>>2461944
>>2461944
I'm pretty sure that OP's pic is from a ~5000 yo temple in Peru

>>2470399
Short hair brings out masculine features and was more effective in combat. However, some considered a mans hair like a lions mane and part of his masculinity.

In the end it is merely a drawing and you need to stop being autistic.

>>2470399
>did these people use them?

Yes, obsidian razors are found everywhere in the neolithic

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>>2462030
>"Almost no artifacts have been found that would have been meant for defense against a human enemy. No skeletal remains have been found that would indicate the person had been killed with a weapon.

>yfw the Golden Age is REAL

Whites are so insecure lmao. They can't accept that they have midfle eastern and central asian dna and that their culture isn't even indigenous.

>>2462030
You know, it's entirely possible that evewryone had really shit weapons that rotted or in some other way degraded over the course of thousands of years.

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>>2461944
I2a1 Master race

>>2461944
test

>>2470745
Did it work

>>2470689

> Whites are so insecure lmao.

No, that would be the shitskin like you coming here just to post that.

Guess the fact that white Man turned everyone else into his pocket pussy for 200-300 years makes a lot of people still butthurt.

> They can't accept that they have midfle eastern and central asian dna and that their culture isn't even indigenous.

1) The foreign haplogroup is from Eastern Europe, Europe does not stop at Romania, but at the Urals.
2) It is indigenous, since the modern Europeans are a product of interbreeding, so they can claim both the pacifist farmers cultures, and the sociopathic nomads that came along.

>>2463839
Underrated

>>2470631
yes, cerro sechin

>>2471003
I can imagine you in damage control frustrated tears as you typed this.

>>2471003

Do you consider Chechens genetically European then?

Holy shit, all those butthurt WE WUZ niggers


To at least try to get this thread back on rail:
How did they feed such a large population? Their settlements might have been in one of the most fertile lands, but I doubt that primitive agriculture would have been able to feed such a large population, and I doubt that hunting would have worked on such a large scale.


Also, how much is known about the relations of the different settlements to each other? Did they trade? Did the inhabitants of one city consider the inhabitants of another city as being of the same people?

>>2471329
Disregard the food part, I got my dates mixed up.

>>2462048
>>2462030
>>yet still no weapons have been found

Protip: Hunting tools are also usable as weapons. They had spears and spear throwers, no way in hell they never used them on one another.

>>2471310

> I can imagine you in damage control frustrated tears as you typed this.

lol, more like laughing at the butthurt.

>>2471316

> Do you consider Chechens genetically European then?

http://i.imgur.com/1281cf3.jpg

>>2471329

> How did they feed such a large population?

They were incredibly well versed in agriculture and had ample food, which then resulted in a population increase.

> Also, how much is known about the relations of the different settlements to each other?

They were very well connected, the temples and the culture seems basically identical from the southern tip to the northern tip of their settlement range.

> Did they trade?

They even traded with the neigbouring cultures, let alone within.

> Did the inhabitants of one city consider the inhabitants of another city as being of the same people?

That we do not know.

However, politics was probably a lot more lenient, as no evidence of a despotic ruling class so far, meaning, completely opposite from the Godkings in Mesopotamia and Egypt.

>>2471316

> Do you consider Chechens genetically European then?

lol, basement cumstain cannot comprehend that basically everyone until Kazastan is white;

http://i.imgur.com/YP3NhJ9.jpg

In fact, it and also Central Asia as well, was probably even more white, before the later Asiatic and turkic migrations.

Hell, google the fucking Pashtun people for example, bordering India for thousands of years yet they are basically just tanned caucasians.

>>2470399
Well... slavs had a traditional initiation into manhood by cutting a young lads hair short.

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>>2462031

>>2461944
WE ALMOS WUZ

>>2461944
>white people be thinking that they have any civilization at all before stealing it from afrikans

;lmaoooooooooooo xD stupid cave beasts

>>2462076
is this what you're talking about?
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/03/slaughter-bridge-uncovering-colossal-bronze-age-battle

>>2461944
Holy crap if they found that they worship godesses, didn't treat women as shit/were governed by a woman and were peaceful then Gimbutas could be right.

>>2462315
Wow. The Sarmatians -> Poles legends were true.
We wuz kangs n shit.

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>>2462396
>>2462103
>>2462121
Our neighbour built it even higher. Do something you lazy fuck!

>>2463490
>africans
Hindu, Aborigen

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>>2465930
>for no reason.
Nazi tier country.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States

>>2468699
>direct democracy
7k years ago.
XXI - parliamentary pseudodemocracy.
How do we make it right?

>>2472281
Ah brilliant! Yes it was!

Unfortunately it seems to coincide with the Bronze Age Collapse. Far too late for those Ukrainian commie farmers.