Was Christian Dark Ages a lie made by atheists?

No, Catholicism inherently leads to economic stagnation

>every thread about christian dark ages
>russians burning old believers
explain this meme

>>2454065
You are full of shit and you know it. The main driving force in the west culturaly and science bast for the longest time was christianity. The wealth of the catholic institute by itself is proof that christians are capable of creating a profitable economic enviorment

>>2454093
Protestant countries are richer tho

>>2454052
Yes. The Medieval Christians actually had flying space castles until atheist (((Jews))) destroyed all their technology to make Christianity look bad

>>2454052
It is exaggerated but truthful.

>>2454093
>The wealth of the catholic institute by itself is proof that christians are capable of creating a profitable economic enviorment

Yeah, you just have to convince people they'll suffer eternally if they don't give you their money. Such a constructive enterprise!

>>2454052
>a lie

yes

>made by atheists

no

It's probably that if an area is in poverty, ravaged by disease or war etc they are likely to become more religious.

>>2454052
The whole "Catholic Church oppressed everybody" was a lie made up by Protestants.
The irony is the Protestants of today are the ones using atheists as scapegoats for this.

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Is Atheism linked to autism

>>2454282
There are correlations, yes, and also with wealth, intelligence, level of education, etc.

>>2454156
Iknowrite since when did fear ever lead to advancement

>>2454065

Not during the middle ages, Southern Europe was the economic and cultural engine. Protestantism is just a manifestation of German nationalism.

>>2454282

It's certainly appears that people with high functioning autism are more likely to be atheists than the general population.

Before you get confused that does not mean most atheists are autistic.

>>2454285
>and also with wealth, intelligence, level of education,
>Implying sperglords and autist have more wealth, intelligence and education than chads and normies
HHAHAHAHAHAH

>>2454808
Are they lacking the ability to feel God?

The period between the fall of the west Roman empire and Charlemagne was pretty dark. Some meme Irish priest means Fuck all when 95% of the rest of western Christendom was a shit hole.

>>2454821
>The period between the fall of the west Roman empire and Charlemagne was pretty dark.
And that has nothing to do with Christianity.Also the Eastern Roman Empire was doing fine. And they were even MORE Christian.

The 500 years after Rome fell was quite shit in western Europe.

This is the "Dark Ages".

>>2454093
>The main driving force in the west culturaly and science bast for the longest time was christianity
No, it was capitalism.

>>2454815

As I understand it the dominant theory is that they are less likely to anthropomorphise unnecessarily.

>>2454834
>capitalism
>only a thing post 18th century
>main force
wew

>>2454838
>anthropomorphise
You realize anthropomorphiseing God is incorrect, right? I mean Jesus was a Man. Part of the reason Catholics pray to saints is because of the incomprehensibility of God

>>2454845
To expand, Jesus was a man. The Father wasn't.

>>2454827
No one but history autists and eastern Europe know about Byzantium. Unless you take a actual non required history course Byzantium is mentioned in passing when talking about the Crusades.

(I'm talking about Americans since that is were I am) Europeans probably know about Byzantium

>>2454855
>No one but history autists and eastern Europe know about Byzantium.
Only furthers the point that "Christin dark ages" is a political meme for the historically illiterate.

>>2454865
Maybe you should of taugh the peasants to read Latin.

>>2454875
The monastery was open to all social classes. Something almost unprecedented in history.

>>2454840
But he's not wrong, even if he's a little too specific and anachronistic. Western Europe's economy and development was driven by its charters and corporate laws. The Church was mostly a driver of cultural unity, creating boundaries between Catholic and non-Catholic cultures while strengthening diplomatic ties between Catholic regions, but beyond keeping a handful of huge empires afloat longer than was healthy until the modern centralized state could do the job better, that was it.

Just don't procreate and pass that knowledge outside the church, don't forget to pay for your indulgence so the Pope can own a golden ladle.

>>2454282

I suppose the first time I questioned my faith was when the priest threw me out of the confessional. That was when I learned my baptism wasn't valid, even though I went to catholic school. Before then I had never really questioned my identity. I don't recall any protestants I know having to deal with shit like this, if you go to church on Sunday you are considered to be a member. The funny thing about those idiots is they fail to see that I could have been converted if they hadn't chosen to just yell and have a fit about it they could see that I went to the confessional willingly and in ignorance that my parents had neglected certain functions and never told me about it. Because Catholicism depends entirely on the parents, they never once thought to proselytize me, even though at that time I was quite religious. That was how I learned my father was excommunicated for marriage outside the faith.

From a theological standpoint, I could have insisted on conversion, but I was a shy boy and in no mood to insist on anything. But having been deprived of an identity just before entering high school, the first period class in high school was biology, and science knows what happened next.

>>2454845

Whether you want to describe it as amthropomorphism or just something that is very similar the point is that they are less like to ascribe agency without evidence.

>>2454918
Look up Stoic or Hindu conceptions of God. Even pantheism. I just feel like it's more of a lack of religious knowledge than anything.

>>2454890
We aren't talking about the economy. He said Science and culture. Something which surly was Catholic.

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>>2454052
Reminder that "Antiquity" never happened and the concept was invented by Western "Renaissance" scholars. Current chronology is mostly fictional.

The early "Middle" Ages weren't some Dark Ages that came after a some sophisticated enlightened period. They were literally the dawn of human civilization.

>>2454922

Most formulations of pantheism I have seen are just hippy atheism.

Your suggestion also seems pretty weird, having rejected the dominant religion of their specific culture (we are talking about Western studies here) there doesn't seem to be any particular reason why they would be expected to go away and read up on ancient or foreign religions until they found one they liked.

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No. European art, science, technology, literature and philosophy was all crap and stagnant during the Middle Ages compared to the Islamic world, China and India. We only started making major progress in those fields after the Renaissance which was a revival of Greco-Roman thought and knowledge in Europe. I don't give a fuck about what autistic historians consider a "Dark Age" or not, but it's a fact that Europe was a shithole during the Middle Ages compared to those places.

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>>2454256
>The whole "Catholic Church oppressed everybody" was a lie made up by Protestants.
Yeah I don't know how they come up with that stuff.

>>2454947
>following different art conventions means its stagnation
wow. I bet you think Gothic cathedrals are pretty bad too, right?

>>2454927
I'd agree that Catholicism was very involved in both for a time, but not really the driving force for either - just erstwhile patrons following social and economic trends. The areas where Catholicism did drive a lot of culture tended to be in non-Catholic regions that they aimed to convert. But even then, Frankish/German/Spanish military and courtly culture were just as important.

>>2454937
I thought Creationists were retarded for trying to awkwardly squeeze human history into a 6000 years frame but this moron basically claims nothing happened until about 1000 years ago.

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>>2454960
>stagnation

In the case of art it's literally regression, not even stagnation.

>I bet you think Gothic cathedrals are pretty bad too, right?

Italian architects called traditional Gothic architecture "ugly makeshifts". Nordcucks btfo.

>>2454897
I don't believe in science

>>2454947
>how good something is is entirely dependent on greco-roman shit

>>2454052
No, if anything it was a lie made by bourgeois upstarts who saw the Church as one of the pillars of the old order and thus tried to ideologically attack it.

>>2454982

Science requires proof, not belief, it is the antithesis of faith.

>>2454975
> it's literally regression
It's not though. They purposefully drew art that way. If you don't like it, that's fine. Nothing regressed however. It was a directed change.

>>2454997
The painting/drawing techniques that the Romans used were lost over time. It's a fact. The stylized look of early Christian art was just to hide their lack of talent. It still looked like shit.

>>2455014
Somebody posted a Medieval sketch of a cathedral a while back, showing that drawing realistically wasn't "lost." Whoever told you that "fact" is retarded.

>>2455014
stylistic painting of jesus was a conscious choice.
same with cities, showing everything "realistically" didn't convey the same information.
you don't want to muddy the waters by painting jesus like some nice looking dude you found on the streets. Jesus is eternal, and therefore he cannot look like anyone, just himself.

>>2454097
in these day and age religion means nothing in europe

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>>2455014
>They purposefully drew bad art so it's actually good art

Dark Age deniers confirmed for Dada tier retards.

>>2455294
>I have no taste
we can tell.

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>Roman Empire collapses in an endless orgy of military usurpers and civil wars
>Barbarian invaders roam the countryside pillaging every single city they encounter
>bands of disaffected peasants join the party and plunder aristocratic villages
>complete collapse of every single form of authority, except those Christian bishops who somehow maintain some authority over their followers
>everyone starts looking for Christian bishops for protection
>the state starts looking for Christian bishops for legitimacy
>still not enough to prevent collapse in the West, the rot was too deep, but something of its culture is preserved for later generations
>people blame Christianity for the collapse

With Christianity we had a dark ages of a few centuries, then several renaissances.

Without Christianity the dark ages would never end.

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>>2455311
So this is the power of Christcuck art... Woah.

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>>2455376
Clearly, the Renaissance artists were inferior to that majesty.

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Just a reminder that the Renaissance set back Western civilization 200 years with its obsession with Greco-Roman culture stopping the natural progression medieval science, specially its physics, were doing towards the scientific revolution.

Scholars like Robert Grosseteste, Nicole Oresme, Jean Buridan, Thomas Bradwardine, during the 13th and 14th centuries, were pioneering studies that would later be done by Galileo and Newton, but their discoveries were ignored by a bunch of pretentious retards who prefered to masturbate to Greek texts.

Jews like Stephen Greenblatt like to portray the Renaissance as the dawn of a scientific worldview. Actually, it was a bunch of mystic hacks like Paracelsus, Marcilio Ficino or Pico della Mirandola getting shit out of their asses.

The art was good, but the Renaissance art was the only thing they did that wasn't based in Greco-Roman models. Renaissance art was an organic evolution of Gothic sculpture, it wasn't even pioneered in Italy, but in the Low Countries, showing how it couldn't be understood as a "revival of Greco-Roman art". It was an evolution of Medieval Christian art, that's why it's good, that's why it's still relevant. Everything else the Renaissance did was forgotten.

>>2455440
Just a reminder that you're full of shit and I didn't believe a single word of what you wrote.

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>>2455440
>it wasn't even pioneered in Italy, but in the Low Countries

0/10.

Late Medieval Italian art already looked pretty good. Brunelleschi then invented linear perspective in the Renaissance that was used in drawings and paintings. He is the eponym of Renaissance art.

>>2455443
You don't believe me, but you believe Jewish intellectuals who want to kill you and enslave your family.

What does that make of you?

>>2455387

>Renaissance artists were not just as if not more religious than their early medieval counterparts

>>2455472
You have to go back >>>/pol/

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>>2455475
Much, much less. Do you really think the extremist Catholic church would be okay with people making paintings and sculptures of Greco-Roman Gods back then?

>>2454052

More like an attempt by the people of the late 15th and 16th century to paint their own corresponding period as an era of rebirth and enlightenment, or 'renaissance' by making the time before them appear more grim then it actually were.

>>2455487

>Much, much less.

Wanna know how I know you don't know what you're talking about?

The Renaissance was far more superstitious and religious than the "Middle ages".

>Do you really think the extremist Catholic church would be okay with people making paintings and sculptures of Greco-Roman Gods back then?
>extremist Catholic church

lel.

Yes, in fact they commissioned a ton of them.

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>>2455504
Do you have a single fact to back that up?

>>2455487
What extremist Catholic Church?

>>2455513

http://web.maths.unsw.edu.au/~jim/renaissance.html

> The main elements of the Renaissance myth are familiar enough: the sudden dawning of a new outlook on the world after a thousand years of darkness, the rediscovery of ancient learning, the spread of new ideas of intellectual inquiry and freedom, investigation of the real world replacing the sterile disputes of the scholastics, the widening of the world through the discovery of America and the advance of science, the reform of religion. Apart from a few quibbles about the supposed suddenness of the change, and that more on the grounds of a general belief in the gradualness of historical change than because of any evidence, this paradigm seems to be as firmly in place now as it ever was.

>In fact there is no truth in any of this. On the contrary, as we will see, the "Renaissance" was a period when thought declined significantly, bring ing to an end a period of advance in the late Middle Ages.

Have fun~

>>2455522
That yellow shit is unreadable

>>2455513
As I've mentioned here >>2455440

Of course the common people was superstitious and religious and would remain so until the XIXth century. But the Late Medieval intellectual elites was more rationalist and empiricist in its outlook. Think of people like William of Ockham and Roger Bacon, for example.

The Renaissance introduced all sort of mystical mumbo-jumbo for Western elites.

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>>2455538

>Get irredeemably btfo
>Refuse admit it

>>2455551
>literally a new IP
I'm not him i just wanted to read that shit but it hurts my eyes

>>2455556

I'm not sitting around checking the IPs of every Anon, give me a break.

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>>2455522
>argues that Renaissance was a myth because the Late Middle Ages weren't that bad but ignores that this was because the church already started getting more lenient on Pagan stuff in that era which then culminated into the Renaissance in the 1400s.

Holy shit, why are Christcucks so retarded? Everything else is complete bullshit that no respectable scholar takes it seriously.

>>2455568

>Clearly didn't read
>Keeps blaming "da church"

Your tears and denial are delicious.

You really ought to get off this board until you know a thing or two about history though.

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>>2455571
>the Late Middle Ages weren't that bad
>this invalidates the rest of it that were extremely stagnant and backwards in the fields of science, literature philosophy and art

Christcuck apologists are hilarious.

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>>2455588

>Implying I'm a christfag
>Still proving you didn't read it

You're a moron, a fedora, or a troll.

In any event, I'm finished with you, I'll be going knowing that I've won.

But because I'm a nice guy, here's something a little more your speed.

http://www.cracked.com/article_21023_5-b.s.-renaissance-myths-you-learned-in-history-class.html

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>>2455588
>extremely stagnant and backwards in the fields of science, literature philosophy and art

But was it the Church's fault?

A lot of the argument that Jews peddle against Christianity, is that the Catholic Church used its huge power during the Middle Ages to stall scientific and artistic progress, and that things only got better when the Church finally lost power.

But if you study Medieval history, you will that what consistently happens is the opposite. The Church is weaker in times of stagnation and backwardness, and as the Church gets stronger, so does society. During the period most often associated with the term "dark ages", from the 5th to the 9th centuries, for example, the Bishop of Rome was, chronologically, a vassal of the Byzantine Emperor and an hostage of Lombard kings. The Catholic Church was extremely weak and all political power was in the hand of secular lords. The Church only regained some power during its alliance with the Carolingian dynasty, during the so-called "Carolingian Renaissance", which re-introduced classical learning to Western political elites, but later the Carolingians would collapse and the Church would enter its most weak period, during the 9th and 10th centuries, when it was literally ruled by prostitutes and their daughters.

It was only after the Gregorian Reform that the Church finally became powerful again, and as it became powerful, it could also fund science, art, philosophy, literature, etc. It could fund universities and maintain monasteries. The Renaissance wasn't a period when Christianity and the Catholic Church lost strenght, it was the period when, as institutions, they were stronger politically and culturally, it all culminated into that Pope that became a warrior and made Luther so butthurt that he crashed the Church with no survivors.

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>>2454052
>Was Christian Dark Ages a lie made by atheists?
No, it was a lie invented by Protestants to make Catholics look bad

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>>2455603
So all you have is a text by a butthurt Christcuck trying to deny the objective fact that Medieval Europe was overall a stagnant shithole compared to the Muslim world, China and India and a clickbait article. Nice job.

>>2455623
>Cracked
>Christian

>>2455646
>clickbait garbage
>reliable

Pick one.

Christcuck revisionists aren't the only kind of historians. Today most historians avoid using the term "Dark Ages" because it implies it was shit for the entire world, when it only shit for Europe. Who cares about semantics autism though. It's retarded.

>He fell for the renaissance meme

Sad!

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>>2455522
>>2455568
>>2455588
>>2455612
>>2455623
Here's the real redpill version of it without any autism included for you faggots: Early to mid middle ages in Europe were indeed backwards and stagnant. Europe then had a minor Renaissance during the late middle ages (they were still being put to shame by chinks, muslims and poos), but then the black plague came and ravaged everything, setting progress back. The early Renaissance of the early 1400s didn't make many contributions to science, technology, philosophy and shit, but this is understandable because people were focusing on acquiring all the ancient texts from Greece and Rome to translate and carefully study them. The 'real' Renaissance that contributes a lot to those fields dates to 1500-1600, with figures such as Copernicus, Galileo, Kepler, Cardano, Machiavelli, Tartaglia, Da Vinci, Pacioli, Tagliacozzi, Lilius, etc. And of course, all the famous artists that are too many to list.

The early to mid middle ages certainly didn't produce any figures comparable to those, and late middle ages produced much less.

>Blaming Christians for the Dark Age

faggots .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_the_Western_Roman_Empire.

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>>2455877
Reminder that the Greeks already knew of the heliocentric model 1800 years before Copernicus and that the church also literally threw Galileo into prison for adopting it.

>C-Christianity wasn't holding Europe back

Kys.

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>>2455330
>Without Christianity the dark ages would never end.

The west had a dark age before. Dark ages always end, it's just a matter of how and when.

>>2456237
>Reminder that the Greeks already knew of the heliocentric model 1800 years before Copernicus

>the Greeks
Aristarchus knew, but his hypothesis which proved to be true wasn't proven conclusively enough to supplant the geocentric system.

>and that the church also literally threw Galileo into prison for adopting it.
You're right for the wrong reason. Galileo was put under permanent house arrest by the Inquisition not because he violated scripture but because while in Rome he pissed off the Jesuits.

>Galileo became involved in a dispute over priority in the discovery of sunspots with Christoph Scheiner, a Jesuit.

meme

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>>2454104

>>2455330
>Without Christianity the dark ages would never end.
Ever heard of the bronze age collapse and the greek dark age? The Greeks literally forgot what writing was and it had to be reintroduced by the Phoenicians. Hell long before the bronze age collapse the Egyptians had already had two dark ages.

>>2454052
In 415 the great library of Alexandria, the largest library of antiquity was burnt down by christians.

Christians then systematicly destroyed every other pre-christian temple and stores of knowledge to erase the past and make themselves the rulers of knowledge.

>>2457672
The library of Alexandria was burnt down together with the entire city by Jews during the Bar Kokhba revolt.

There is no reason why Christians would burn it down, since nothing there offended them particularly.

Absolutely yes.
>>2454285
>intelligence
Doesn't exist.
>wealth and education
Distractions from God (unless one devotes one or both to God), so of course those types will be less religious.

>>2454845
'made in His image' is up to a decent bit of debate.

>>2457686
I explained the reasoning in my post >>2457672
pagan temples were rivals to the new roman christian church, so they, and all their ideas were destroyed

>>2454947
>hellenism
Terrible everything.
>>2454975
>italians sed so so iz troo
>>2454994
Proof is faith you turd.

>>2455443
>Hellenophiles get this triggered

>>2457720
Pagan temples were destroyed, pagan knowledge was preserved.

Now compared that to the Jacobins, who burnt the Abbey of Cluny with the entire library inside. And yet people see the Enlightenment as good for science.

>>2457672
Wrong. Stop spewing trash you heard on Reddit.

hurr durr politics is super simple drumpf is le bad!!!! FUCKING CHRISTIANS REE
>>2457720
Pagans did everything from burn Christians alive to use as lamps to potentially even have large animals trained to rape young girls and boys.

Fucking Hellenophiles.

>>2457735
The church has always been more interested in destroying knowledge.

I cite as my example the destruction of maya literature.

The burning of a library in the enlightenment is much less of a crime, because post dark ages people had access to methods of mass reproduction of writing(printing press).

>>2457748
Stop shitposting.

>>2457750
Thats not an Argument

>>2457748
>the destruction of maya literature

But that wasn't the Church. That was the Spanish crown.

>>2457757
>arguments are good
t. Hellenophile trash

MUH PEDERASTY

>>2454947

You are missing 1000-1350 where the Christian West overtook all those civilizations intellectually, and had several revivals of ancient thought at that. The Renaissance was intellectually devastating due to the rejection of logic in the university curriculums. Late medieval philosophers had made incredible advancements in Science and Logic, and all their work was disregarded in the Renaissance for the sake of fapping over how much nicer Ovid's language was than Bradwardine's, despite the latter being part of school who layed down the grounds for modern physics, and were rediscovered later by early modern's like Galileo and Newton after the early modern Scholastic revival. Hell it took until the 20th century to actually catch up the late scholastic in modal and temporal logic. Because the discipline was entirely abandoned and left in a degraded state due to Renaissance Humanism taking over.

>>2457805
>logic
>good

>>2455443
Then you should actually get educated on the periods.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_Calculators

>They developed Al-Battani's work on trigonometry and their most famous work was the development of the mean speed theorem, (though it was later credited to Galileo) which is known as "The Law of Falling Bodies".[2]

>The now published sources prove to us, beyond contention, that the main kinematical properties of uniformly accelerated motions, still attributed to Galileo by the physics texts, were discovered and proved by scholars of Merton college.... In principle, the qualities of Greek physics were replaced, at least for motions, by the numerical quantities that have ruled Western science ever since. The work was quickly diffused into France, Italy, and other parts of Europe. Almost immediately, Giovanni di Casale and Nicole Oresme found how to represent the results by geometrical graphs, introducing the connection between geometry and the physical world that became a second characteristic habit of Western thought ...

>>2455622
>Implying Gibbon was a Christian

>>2454052
>Dark Ages

no, there were a couple centuries after the Fall of Rome and during the violent spread of Islam were things were actually shit.

some point to the 10th century as the end of the Dark Ages.

>Christian Dark Ages

this is a meme.

>>2457856
>there were a couple centuries
So about 500 years of christian rule was the greatest decline in europes history, but it had nothing to do with christians?

>>2457721

faith is not proof, nor would be considered proof. Therefore, proof is not faith. Logic.

Checkmate, fag.

>>2457886

The Church had very little power after the fall of Rome until Charlemagne ended the Dark Ages with the Carolingian Renaissance around 800AC. Then when Europe started to recover you got a full conversion of Europeans into Christians. The Dark Ages was an age when the faith was weak and had serious threats from pagan forces. The dark ages ending coincided with the Catholic homogenization of Europe and the Church becoming a serious political force.

>>2454947
>hurr durr no people with fine motor skills were alive during the "dark" ages
armchair historians everyone

by protestants*

yes scientific advancement was a threat to the catholic church so it was suppressed by them, since with it people would no longer need to church and it would lose power as what has happened today

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>>2457748
>I cite as my example the destruction of maya literature.

Lel what...i really hope your trolling on this, Bubba Dean...

>>2454897
>That was when I learned my baptism wasn't valid
why?

>>2458272
The Maya knowledge was burnt in 1597, the inquisition also burnt 5000 muslim books

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>>2454960
>Gothic cathedrals
Were considered shit and lowbrow when they were built
>>2454947
It had to do with the temperature of the earth, as it grew colder in Europe the population actually fell. It wasn't until the temperature went up in combination with new plows that Europe population increased again which allowed them to develop.

DEUS VULT

>>2456363
Instead of just blaming Galileos treatments on another religion, why not look at what actually happened to him.
In 1615 Father Niccolo Lorini claimed that Galileo and his followers were attempting to reinterpret the Bible.
Galileo was eventually convicted of heresy because his theories contradicted Psalm 93:1, 96:10, and 1 Chronicles 16:30 which include text stating that "the world is firmly established, it cannot be moved.", Psalm 104:5 says, "the Lord set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved." Ecclesiastes 1:5 states that "And the sun rises and sets and returns to its place."
Galileo was found guilty of Heresy in 1633 by the Inquisition (because of his opinion that the earth was not the centre of the universe as the bible stated) was imprisoned in his house for the rest of his life while his book 'Dialogue' was banned. Sounds to me like a good example of religious dogma holding back the advance of science.

>>2454052

Yes

>>2454950

>he's trying to claim that Protestants didn't slaughter their share of heretics too

Lel

ITT: people unironically claim medieval art looks bad and stylised, without realising that 99% of it is comprised of tiny book illustrations that are meant to convey events and ideas clearly, rather than pretty pictures for their own sake.


Just like every medieval thread...

>>2458283

In catholicism ya gotta be dunked all official and shit by the village pederast.

Nope

>>2457913
>logic is good becuz i sed so
All 'proof' is based upon faith. Stop deluding yourself, you only believe this nonsense because you've been brainwashed my STEMspergs.
>>2458249
No, science is irrelevant. It is weakness of the mind.
>>2458521
It's also supposed to be an actual narrative rather than le myth scene #154154578946.

>>2454093
Great Christians drove science and literature, like Isaac Newton and John Milton

Christians who firmly rejected the concept of the trinity

>>2460311
>science
>relevant

>>2458249
So then why did the Catholic Church put all the money into supporting scientific advancement throughout the years that they did?

>>2458491
And yet when Galileo first started pushing his theory the Pope commissioned him to write a book explaining his theory. When he wrote his dialogue, which included personal attacks on the Pope, things got politically messy. When Galileo would refuse to teach his theory as just a theory, and not a fact, even though it could not account for the parallax shift, the prime counter evidence against heliocentrism at the time, he started pissing people off.

Galileo would have not been persecuted if he was not a dick, people were still teaching heliocentrism in the catholic universities after he was imprisoned, and it would'nt be until 200 years later until people actually had good reason to take it as a fact anyways, it had nothing to do with the science being banned due to the faith, and everything to do with Galileo stepping on the wrong people's toes and being unreasonable himself.

Of course there were a handful of literalist theologians who took his theory problematic, and they were used as leverage over him. But complete literalism in biblical studies in Catholicism has been generally rejected since Augustine.

>>2460311
Great Catholics like Oresme and Dante drove Science and Literature to the same degree.

>>2460078

Faith requires the absence of proof, otherwise it is not faith, it is meaningless.