Has prohibiting a substance ever worked?

Works pretty well in Singapore. I don't think Saudi Arabia has a terrible drug problem either.

>>2446871
But both countries have thriving black markets whose drug trade has now intersected heavily with child trafficking.

>>2446881
Do they? I'm not saying you're wrong but I'd like to see a source

>>2446865
No. For example, when I prohibited my dick, your mom only wanted it more.

>>2446884
Once in a while they catch a drug dealer and cut their head. There might be a dozen or more active drug dealers in Saudi Arabia. They find at least one per year with enough evidence to execute them. It's a thriving market

>>2446989
That may be true, but I'd be more inclined to read those numbers from a statistic source than simply believing something you just conjured off the top of your head.

>>2446989 Both countries are classified tier 2 by the U.S State Dept.

https://www.state.gov/j/tip/rls/tiprpt/2016/258696.htm

Has any country ever enforced draconian anti-drug laws (public excecutions, extrajudicial killings) and had it work infallibly?

>>2446865

Works just fine in Singapore. Get caught with drugs, die.

>>2447294
According to section 510 of the Penal Code, whoever, in a state of intoxication, appears in any public place, or in any place which he cannot enter, and behaves "in such a manner as to cause annoyance to any person", may be jailed up to six months, fined up to $1,000, or both.

The most successful prohibition implementations are draconian and statist, being Singapore and nations governed by Sharia. It really makes drug trade for criminals viable because they can be sold for more than they are worth. Cocaine once came in the Sears catalog.

>>2447333
Yeah, the best way looks like removing the societal pressures that cause people to turn towards addiction in the first place. Drugs are a societal issue, and treating them like an individiual failing doesn't work.

We don't have real prohibition. We have a weird black market situation that makes a lot of people a lot of money on both sides of the law. Black markets are beneficial to states even places like the DPRK looks the other way when it comes to black markets.

Real prohibition is possible. But that doesn't make anyone any money.

It can work, the issue in the USA is that punishments for getting caught with drugs isn't harsh enough and privately owned media companies can legally promote and glorify drug use. smuggling and sales. It will never be completely stopped but that doesn't mean we should give up, slavery isn't allowed because we can't stop it all over the world either.

In my opinion people that buy, and use drugs should be as guilty as a pedophile that buys child pornography. They are both supporting an industry that is responsible for numerous terrible crimes. If you support jailing a pedophile for ownership of child porn you should also support jailing drug users for ownership of drugs.

>B-But me smoking weed has never killed anyone bro chill out! XD

How these people fail to see the people that grew, smuggled and sold their addiction to them have committed heinous crimes frustrates me to no end.

However I am autistic and I am constantly told this opinion is incorrect.

>>2447574
what about your autism pills

>>2447574
The confusing part is that you dont seem to understand that if weed is made legal, the black market and criminals wont make a profit off of it anymore. When there was an alcohol prohobition the mafia bribed politicians to KEEP it illigal so they could keep making insane profits.

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>>2447574
>They are both supporting an industry that is responsible for numerous terrible crimes.

Maybe we should jail every tax payer while we're at it.

>>2446999
>That may be true, but I'd be more inclined to read those numbers from a statistic source than simply believing something you just conjured off the top of your head.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/saudi-prince-caught-up-in-drugs-bust-lucky-the-incident-happened-in-beirut-a6711076.html

>>2447574
The issue is alcohol and inconsistency. If weed and other mild recreational drugs are illegal, alcohol, caffeine, and nicotine should be as well. There's no real way to justify the current arbitrary classification of certain drugs as illegal, and others as perfectly fine for consumption.

>>2447626
>If my criminal activity was legal and not illegal I wouldn't be a criminal

Drug addicts always shift the discussion away from their own criminal activity. Sure if it was legal you wouldn't be supporting a dangerous criminals life style.

However weed it not legal. You are breaking the law and supporting criminal organizations, until you stop supporting murders and thieves then don't come to me with pleas of this sort. A murderer would vote to make murder legal too. Drug users are as guilty as the people that produce, smuggle and sell drugs to people. Every dollar you give them is a blood money.

Criminals shouldn't even be allowed to vote baka.

>>2447269
>Works just fine in Singapore. Get caught with drugs, die.

http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/rising-number-of-drug-abusers-under-age-30

>>2447681
That post was so stupid that you have to trolling at this point. You need to work on subtley retard.

>>2447681
most pot is america and canada is domestic, it oozes from the legal states and provinces to the rest of them. Drug legalization is about autarky. Drugs are bad, having foreigners control the logistics of the transnational enterprises is worse.

It's to keep the police employed, the criminal defense attorneys employed, the rehab industry going, small time drug dealers from not tearing their cities apart with more violent crime, and all that money gets laundered back to the US anyway.

Everyone is fat and happy. It's never going to get legalised. It's never going to be properly stamped out either.

>>2447681
You'll be first up against the wall when the revolution comes.

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>>2447709
You'll never leave your mother's basement if any real civil unrest happened and you'd spend the entirety of it smoking weed to prevent yourself from literally shaking.

>>2447735
I'm actually a teetotaler orphan.

Not even kidding, I don't even drink caffeinated beverages.

Also, I have nothing to live for and I own firearms, so I'd probably participate in any kind of organized violence against people I don't like.

>>2447695
I am not trolling, a pedophile is guilty of supporting child porn when he buys child porn, why are you not guilty of the same?

>>2447699
Domestic or foreign, a criminal is selling it to people and is probably committing violent crime against people to do it.

>>2447709
So not only a criminal but one that wants to kill people that disagree with him, drug addicts everyone.

>>2447681

How do you justify paying money to any number of industries with bad track records, anonymous? It's sure as hell not just kiddy porn or weed that are products of unethical behavior.

Do you do your due diligence for every product you buy to make sure the providers are entirely above board morally? Or is your moral argument garbage and you only really care about the basic legality?

>>2447738
I'm a hard drinking police officer that steals heroin from the evidence locker I can't wait to take out the trash attempting a revolution.

China did pretty well at getting rid of opium

But I do love potheads who think that just cause they haven't been hurt by their drug that all illegal drugs must be okay.

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>>2447574
>hey are both supporting an industry that is responsible for numerous terrible crimes.
You do realize that the vast majority of crimes surrounding drug trade, only exist because they are illegal.

You don't see nearly so many people shooting each other over alcohol and cigarettes. Nor do you see people stripping the copper wiring out of houses - hard labor at what amounts to less than minimum wage - just to support alcohol and cigarette habits, because drug testing at entry level jobs prevents even nominal employment.

Never mind the sort of vast organized crime rings prohibition creates - the mafia literally taking over entire local governments, and growing so powerful as to even threaten the central government during Prohibition.

If it's legal, and people with light habits can still get employment, the only person it negatively affects it the user and those close to them. If it's illegal, it affects entire nations and creates a black market worth trillions.

The only place where drug addiction rates and related problems have been regularly dropping, are those nations that made them legal and/or switched to a harm reduction model.

>>2447741
>I am not trolling, a pedophile is guilty of supporting child porn when he buys child porn, why are you not guilty of the same?

Stop using this shit child porn argument. At its most basic level the production of child pornography (at least real child porn) harms a child. If you want your kiddytape a kid must be taped.

Purchasing weed does not by its own virtues enable the harm of others. That violence is a byproduct (and a byproduct of its illegality, for that matter) doesn't magically make the substance unethical. It's a shitty argument to say "Weed should be illegal because the industry causes people harm" when the industry only causes people harm because it is illegal. Child pornography, legal or not, causes harm.

If the buyer is equally culpable to EVERY BAD THING in the industry of the seller, how many people have been harmed by the likes of walmart? How much blood did it cost for you to fill up your car a little cheaper? Are you sure someone isn't working their fingers to the bone so you can have a banana 20 cents cheaper?

>>2447741
If somebody grows cannabis on their own property and then smokes it, have they committed a violent crime?

>>2447755
That's so badass. Wish the average westerner wasn't so soft. We should bring back public executions.

>>2447762
Whatever helps you fall asleep at night you degenerate.

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>>2447770

nice argument friendo. What's the matter, did your shitty rationale just collapse under the first hint of scrutiny?

>>2447774
No not at all, you're supporting blood thirsty criminals for a shitty luxury item and you just cant rationalize it.

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>unironically believing the government should have the right to tell you what you can and cannot put into your body

>>2447779
But my dealer told me it was all free trade.

>>2447779

Then why don't you address my points you little bitch. You're just digging your heels in because you're a retard who doesn't think about his convictions before spewing them.

>>2447782
>let's have krokodil and heroin dispensaries on every corner whats the worst that can happen heh society doesn't actually exist every man an island 8^)

>>2446881
singapore does not have a thriving black market. Please stop crying

>>2447574
in reality all that needs to be increased in chance of disciplining and the stakes. You're on the right track, don't fall for the lies

>>2447688
>a 6% rise in a tiny figure
>large

statistical fluctuations

>>2447782
>no food regulation, ever! Moooooomm

>>2447784
hurry up and kill yourself

>>2447755
funny, he doesn't think drug use is itself a harm

>>2447791
There's nothing to think about you're funding drug lords that poison and destroy entire cities every time you buy some weed for a cheap 45 minute high making your pizza taste slightly better.

>>2447806
What if I just buy drugs and leave them in like playgrounds or churches.

>>2447805
>>2447796

>perfectly legal to blow your brains out with a shotgun
>illegal to smoke a plant or eat a cheeseburger with trans fat

ameritard logic

>>2447828
the cure is chemo

>>2447805
>singapore does not have a thriving black market. Please stop crying

Sorry Prime Minister Loong, didn't realise you 4chan'd

>>2447805
>funny, he doesn't think drug use is itself a harm
By itself, it's a harm to the user and those who care for them, and maybe a few incidental bystanders at best, no one else.

Make it illegal, and people who don't use drugs, or even know anyone who use drugs, start getting shot up in the streets, huge swaths of the population become unemployable, whole governments become unstable, sometimes even fall, and now you have a black market so large it actually has an impact on the whole damned world's economy.

Take your pick.

>>2447806
>There's nothing to think about

Your brain in a nutshell. It's all empty up there, isn't it?
Enjoy your vapid self satisfaction as you refuse to question whatever bullshit someone squeezed into your little eggshell, anonymous.

If you can't support your position with arguments, your position is worthless.

>>2447806
I buy my weed from a dispensary. The dispensary buys their weed from a state regulated farm. There's no violent drug lords involved.
What now?

>>2447886
Socially transmitted behavior is definitely not benign when it's effect is by default harmful. I've made my pick. Kill the dealers, cane the users. It isn't a difficult question

>>2447871
>Because it's somewhere; it's everywhere, I swear it!
yellow media go home

>>2447917
You have no argument and your entire worldview is shit.

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Even on it's face, Prohibition was a terrible failure on every level.

>>2447919
This is exactly how it should be.

But like someone else said making it illegal generates more jobs makes people feel like they got a cause.

>>2447929
social behavior can be curtailed as effectively as transmitted if anti-smoking is recognized as a model and pattern that can be reproduced. Social sanctions are the best method. That's why even fat-shaming is resisted.

>>2447943
it really can't compete with physiological inputs such as "Addiction" (it's all learned behavior, the narrow definition of addiction as withdrawal obscures the fact pleasurable behavior reinforces) . Even contemporary antismoking campaigns seem to have hit a wall these days, and smoking is the most obviously disproved habit. You might notice they're inching towards prohibition like the original alcohol crusade went. After a point you can't credibly reduce the problem with social pressure. Besides of which, public opinion is easily shifted

>implying prohibition doesn't actually complement social shaming

Founding codes of laws are so draconian they create a social culture to reinforce it. That's the real takeaway of areas like Singapore. Operant conditioning of morality

>>2447935
alcohol use statistically declined during prohibition. You've been watching too much hollywood

>>2447933

My argument's right here, >>2447762 , it's not my fault you're skirting around it because you're too fucking dumb to address it.

It's okay, go grumble to yourself in your safe space while adults actually discuss things.

>>2447967
or under Islamic rule which is a totalitarian cult.

>>2447967
>alcohol use statistically declined during prohibition.

And violence related to the industry skyrocketed as it was shifted from legal to illegal sellers.

Prohibiting something is likely to prevent the casual users from bothering, that's about it.

>>2447967
>alcohol use statistically declined during prohibition. You've been watching too much hollywood

How the hell would you prove this? Did bootleggers all keep exacting records of sales? Show me your stats.

>>2447974
Your habit funds bloodthirsty drug lords swimming in a sea of blood poisoning entire communities how many times do I have to repeat myself?

>>2447967
>Singapore
Where violence and drug use is actually on the rise, pretty much directly in line with their new draconian policies? Good example.

How about a country where drug use and violence is in decline, like Switzerland, where they no longer imprison for drug use and treat it like a disease instead of a crime, and both usage and related violence dropped like a rock off a cliff the moment they switched to that model?

Telling adults what they can and can't ingest just naturally leads to revulsion. It's failed in every instance it's been tried. The closest to succeeding it's ever come is a switch to newer more powerful drugs - a natural evolution when drug laws require smugglers to come up with stuff that's more potent and takes up less space. (Such as Prohibition where 200 proof became the norm.)

We consider all sorts of less fundamental things than the choice of what you can imbibe "human rights" these days, yet somehow we skip over this one, despite the obvious consequences.

Meanwhile cigarette and alcohol abuse has gone nowhere but down. Go fig.

All the war on drugs has done is destabilized economies and governments more than any drug ever possibly could have, even if every other citizen was a user.

Maybe killing people for harming themselves makes you feel better, but it does nothing but aggravate the situation. More powerful drugs, more powerful dealers, more violent dealers, more desperate users, more powerful, more corrupting, and further reaching black markets, every freaking time.

>>2448048
Everything in your post is wrong

>>2448012

None of this addresses anything I said, you fucking donkey. Prohibition is WHY THOSE DRUG LORDS THRIVE.
Saying it funds drug lords is not an argument in favor of prohibition.

Furthermore, again, given you made your shit child porn equivalency, you've still failed to address how I debunked that. Nor have you addressed whether any of your other spending habits also support immoral industries, which they almost certainly do. If you believe that people who buy drugs are EQUALLY responsible as the "bloodthirsty drug lords" then how do you come to terms with all the consumer bullshit you buy that's also derived from immoral industry?

>>2447828
what a stupid comparison how the fuck do you legislate against suicide

>>2448078
Drugs are poisonous to the nation you will come to terms to this eventually, as are overly fatty foods and sugar in every food stuff. Societal engineering exists and society CAN be controlled.

>>2448008
>alcohol use statistically declined during prohibition. You've been watching too much hollywood
The crack you are on... Of course people admitting to alcohol abuse or submitting to therapy declined, but alcohol poisoning reports from hospitals increased more than ten fold.

Go ask your grandparents about alcohol during prohibition. It was not only rampant, it was dangerous as fuck. Meanwhile the mafia pretty much rose to such prominence as to be a nearly become a second government in many towns, supply employment and even welfare in some cases. With such a hugely funded criminal network, all sorts of related crime skyrocketed, including child trafficking which reached its all time high under prohibition.

All drug prohibition does is generate crime by presupposing a crime.

>idiots ITT that think a hard line will solve anything

this is a history board correct? For anyone that knows their history they should know that this doesn't work.

reactionary faggots like you are the cancer killing /his/, you don't even know history and you try to insert your stupid /pol/ logic into discussions you have no business in

>>2448012
>weed is grown by bloodthirsty druglords
it shows you know absolutely jackshit about weed and weed market. All the weed dealing chains I've ever seen can be traced to 30-50 yo people growing local weed in some semi-hidden place in the mountains/forest, with literally no harm caused by anyone to anyone

>make weed illegal
>force international illegal drug market where people die and shit is horrible
>make weed legal
>weed is grown by hippies in the mountains and nobody gets hurt

hm...decisions decisions

Weed is kept illegal so the price is driven upwards so the members of the cabinet who take part in drug trafficking can sell at a higher price.

See: Randy Cunningham

>>2448102

What about your cheap coffee, friendo? Are you willing to accept your cheap goods are bought on the backs of the crushing poverty of others?

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>>2447967
>Even contemporary antismoking campaigns seem to have hit a wall these days
?????????

>>2447255
The chinese

>>2448228
Afraid not.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2015-05-25/china-s-growing-meth-addiction

Oh, and you know all those scary "research chemicals" you hear about on the news? Guess where they come from.

>>2446865
It locks away niggers and liberals degenerates. Seems to be working just fine.

>>2448071
>>>2448048Everything in your post is wrong
Care to expand or just making random comments that aren't helpful?

Someone explain to me why growing and then consuming a plant (with very mild side effects compared to other legal drugs) on your own property as a rational adult should be wrong.

>>2447574
>Someone grows their own pot in their farm/backyard
>"B-b-but you facilitated an industry of heinous crimes"
Kill yourself, idiot

>>2448591
>>2448612
>Pretending that most addicts produce their own product

Sure it happens but most just buy it from an existing group.

>>2446865
>Has it ever worked? Is there any benefit at all?
No and no.
It also prohibits regulated care for addicts and the allocation of money to solving root causes of addiction.

>>2448632
Yeah, maybe because it's illegal and most people live in urban areas where you can't easily hide such a thing.

>>2448679
Don't kid yourself, its because people are lazy. As many addicts looove to say "it being illegal doesn't stop us from smoking it"

>>2447255
GOOD LUCK DUTERTE

>>2448679

Yes I'm sure that's the only reason why every mdma user doesn't have his own chemical lab in his fucking shed.

>>2448137
No the black market becomes formal.

Yes.

>>2448102
sure social engineering works but who is infallible enough to lead? Any form of control can be abused. Our current system of controls (laws) are being abused at both ends. How would a social engineered society differ?

>>2446865
The main reason why the US has strict drug laws is that it keeps the prison-industrial complex up and running.

>>2446865
The real question is “what is the goal of the war on drugs”?

Is it to reduce drug use and addiction and the associated crime and other negative effects on communities? Or is it to forcefully hammer down Nancy’s puritanical morality no matter what the actual effects on drug abuse?

If you want to reduce drug use and addiction (and so on) there are much more efficient ways to accomplish that than continuing the war as is. If it’s the morality thing than keep going.

>>2446865
Has prohibiting murder ever worked?

Worthless drug addicts want to legalize drugs not for any other reason other than to make it easier to get high

>>2447681
No such thing as ethical consumption under capitalism.

>libertarians choose drugs and sugar as their hills to die on
>moreso than any other of the modern structure's innumerable insults to intellectual and social freedom

Sad!

>>2448953
you have to be aware of the fact that this is a fallacious argument, stop trolling

>>2449103
No, all pro-drug reforms (medical marijuana, decriminalization of small quantities of pot, etc) are all step by step changes druggies have used to their ultimate goal of total legalization.

OK this thread has devolved into some idiotic /pol/-reddit user shitposting. What I want to know is an actual good idea on how to deal with the drugs that are more likely to ruin one's life. If you make weed/LSD/MDMA legal, you're not going to see a whole lot of societal damage, but what about meth or heroin? Those drugs are obviously on an entire other level. Would making them legal help or harm?

>>2449117
>what about meth or heroin?
Drug abuse is not affected by legality. Drug healthcare, treatment, education, etc ARE affected. And in a positive way.

People who support drug banning are just uneducated reactionaries that lead to people dying. Take MDMA for instance - a relatively harmless drug given that its pure and you don't overdose.

It's illegal now, so it's made in dodgy cunts sheds and cut with god knows what. When you pop a pill you don't know if there's meth or ketamine or an opioid in there - could be anything.

If it was legal, production could be quality controlled. The pill would read "150mg MDMA" or whatever and people could responsibly know what's in it so they don't take something they don't mean to and don't overdose on too much.

The only reason it's dangerous it's because it's illegal - a result of moral puritans.

>>2447664
A news story and statistical evidence aren't really the same thing

>>2449516
>so it's made in dodgy cunts sheds and cut with god knows what.

And those who take it win Darwin awards! :^P

All is well that ends well.

>>2446865
Tbh war on drugs is working just fine given that its original goal was to ensue that the US prison system would have enough inmates to stay profitable.

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>>2447782
Ah yes, it surely won't have a destabilizing effect on society and fuck us up, especially when foreigners have an interest in it.

>>2450498
Well the Chinese tried to ban opium and that didn't work. The British were still flooding the country with the stuff.

>>2447762
Damn; you really made me think. When I saw it first, I 100% agreed with >>2447574 , but you pretty much debunked all his argument and made some good one yourself. Thank you dude, and I mean it.
I need to start thinking by myself though

>>2447574
I think the sentiment is true.
You can't really have a war on drugs with media glorification/portrayal.

>>2447935
>>2448008
Once you stop glorifying the drunkards, you spot the MASSIVE decrease in alcohol consumption.
You measure Pre Probihition consumption versus post.

>>2448122
Alcohol use did statistically decline, but not by much. The measured using liver disease prevalence, but iirc it was only about a 20% drop. The real statistic was the skyrocketing crime wave and number of people arrested. Prohibition failed dude, get over it.

>>2446865
I've never heard of any society stopping other people from using, raping and killing, other than death. Give a neanderthal some opium and he'd get addicted. I'm sure they had their drugs of choice even then.

>>2451774
Usually they'd do magic mushrooms, run around, and then come back with a new religion.

You need agriculture to grow the narcotics.

sup hedonists. I'm back, because unlike the lot of you I actually have a job

>>2447983
As if that has anything valid to say here. Oh no, ISLAM bans alcohol. Therefore, I'm actually MUSLIM! sage

>>2447987
it did not "skyrocket", it rose. And really the problem was that america didn't have an effective police force. Raise the number of officers in the field and with modern standards of professionalism and this can credibly change

>>2448008
rates of cirrhosis dropped among other indicators

http://www.nytimes.com/1989/10/16/opinion/actually-prohibition-was-a-success.html

the greatest public lie in modern imagination today is probably that "prohibition was a massive failure". It was not a policy failure, it was just plain unpopular

>>2448048
>a 6% rise in a number of 1000-odd is big

lol, their rates are lower than western standards by far. Generally applicable to asian countries of the area with developed society and repressive police tactics. The rest of your story is the same boring old "but muh human rites!" bleeding heart we've talked about a dozen times. The "War" on drugs in America has clearly been of mixed success (IE: overseas production has actually be repeatedly disrupted), due to the failure to fully enforce the policy against domestic populations. Cut demand, not just supply and there would be no drug problem

>>2448195
>japan

I'm talking about western countries friend. All of asian still has to kick the habit and can sustain losses of this sort

"Smoking rates have been falling for the last quarter-century, but since 2009 the rate of decline has levelled off. In 2011, 5.8 million Canadians 12 years and older smoked, a rate of 19.9 per cent."

key word: levelled off

>>2452565
>people who drink alcohol don't have a job
listen buddy jacking off to anime girls isn't a job, why don't you go outside some time and meet some real people.

>>2452569
I was talking to this guy all of yesterday when I had a day off. He clearly does not have gainful employment or works as a code monkey (equally bad)

>>2447668

Alcohol takes abuse to cause brain damage, and by then your liver will have been trashed so you're gonna die anyways.

Weed? Won't kill you, but it does make you both psychologically dependent on it, and drastically alters the users mind. Essentially rolling the die for a psych problem if you recreationally use weed.

Nicotine/Caffeine are a really weak point, nicotine can cause issues since it fucks up the reward system of the brain, but you can kick it. You probably have an addictive personality though so it doesn't matter anyways.

Caffeine is literally not a point.

>>2448102
Kill yourself statist.
I bet you are a pinko fuck too.

>>2447806
>have day off
>smoke a joint with the wife in the afternoon
>we fuck like crazy
>eat pizza afterwards and watch a movie
Makes us feel good man
Will probably have to do less of this when we have our first kid

>>2447574
>i am autistic
Whoda thunk it.

>>2447967
>alcohol use statistically declined during prohibition. You've been watching too much hollywood

>>2450647
>Once you stop glorifying the drunkards, you spot the MASSIVE decrease in alcohol consumption.
>You measure Pre Probihition consumption versus post.

...and then it went right back up.

https://campus.fsu.edu/bbcswebdav/users/jcalhoun/Courses/Growth_of_American_Economy/Chapter_Supplemental_Readings/Chapter_22/Miron-Alcohol_Consumption_during_Prohibition.pdf

http://users.nber.org/~jacobson/Dillsetal2005.pdf

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>>2453314

No, it really is completely arbitrary.

>>2453648
>stories made by drug addicts: the post
I hear cutting is really fun too

>>2453637
statism is the ideology of history students across the board. Back to pol

>>2454007
>levels still below pre-prohibition use
Maybe you should read what you just posted

>>2454017
political decisions always are

>you guys do this harmful thing, so we should do MORE harmful things as well!

race to the bottom is not an attractive outcome

>>2453658
>I don't understand what autism is

>>2446865
Social pressure/isolation/stigma for drug users is fine but the whole war on drugs in the US hasn't been working out.

We should legalize everything and reinvest the saved money in rehabilitation centers for the ones that want to help themselves and death squads for the ones that don't.

>>2455105
>t. has never been to a club or a party

>>2450446
You have a source on that? I totally believe you personally because Prison-Industrial Complex but I was wondering if this is a recorded motive

>>2447681
Do you even understand the context behind how marijuana was made illegal in the United States?

>child porn and drugs are on the same level
t. 4chan

>>2447782
that was a dumb post to make anon, even though I get what you're trying to say

>>2447806
>cheap 45 minute high
yeah , if your dope is shit!! !!1

>>2456250
reminder this is a website for racists and pedos

99 percent of anti drug posters sound like they have limited understanding of the world.. always saying something.. always being wrong..

>>2456235
Of course he doesn't, these people are always fine with the drug industry, alcohol, tobacco, etc when they're already legal
When the current system is showed to be fucked they just double down on "j-just dont break the law degenerate!"

>>2456250
>>2455181
>>2456266
>>/pol/

>>2456303
I'm for prohibition of all drugs. So that isn't even a contradiction. Go be a faggot somewhere else

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>>2456692
>I'm for prohibition of all drugs.
oh yea that will work

>>2456712
you asked. Want a logically consistent answer? Yeah, drugs should be prohibited

>>2456273
>pedos
Is this 2006 again?

>>2447681
I don't use weed yet support it's legalization.

>>2456902
Another anon here but I support strict prohibition. There's one beaner in my apartment complex who keeps smoking it and the entire block ends up smelling like shit thanks to it, can't even go to the bathroom without feeling like choking from the stench.

>>2456915
I deal with something similar in my apartment but it doesn't bother me nearly enough to think it should be illegal.

>>2456915
Tell him to blow the smoke out la ventana.

It's like he's never been in high school.

>>2456692
>/pol/ is pro-drug use
t. has never been to /pol/ either

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>>2456915
I agree with you in the sense no ones "hobby", addiction should ever interfere with someone else's existence. Consequence for such secondary effects would have to be part of any legislation that legalised the drug itself.

>>2447806
>you're funding drug lords
The whole point of the debate is about legalizing. Which would knock the drug lords out.
No use fighting over cocaine if it's $ 10.- a pound

>>2447967
>alcohol use statistically declined during prohibition
I think you are trying to say that the decline was statistically significant.
You need to back that up with a source. And if it turns out to be true (which I doubt) you still have to show that the decline was caused by the prohibition.
And for the measure to make any sense you have to show that this benefit (the decline) outweighs all the costs (crime and such)

Good luck.

>>2458310
it was statistically significant. But this faggotry has dragged on far too long for me to care

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>>2448953
This, only rich people should be able to enjoy drugs, the poor should be kept as miserable as possible.

>>2447574
I agree with your reasoning.

However there's bit missing that I think should be said. War on drugs(illegal) can be won through prosecution of illegal drug manufacturers/distributors/consumers. Combine that with legal alternative of regulated/taxed drugs and you get affective workaround.

Once illegal sites die down, scale down the regulated market by educating the mass about it. Mass may not like being told they're killing themselves but it should be in the minds of people so they will know it's not actually good or healthy to do drugs.

Harsh punishment could also be used to deter illegal ownership/distributin/growers. Minimum 1 year sentence for ownership. Min 5 years for distribution. Min 10 years for growers.

>>2461039
Its hilarious that you try to make doing drugs as something noble. Drugs do more harm to the poor than the rich. Not only physically but mentally and financially. It's a triple whammy against the poor.

>>2462351
>manufacturers

maybe

>distributors

literally never

>consumers

yes

Niggas don't understand supply and demand.

>>2447681
Oh yeah, my uncle having 10 plants in Oregon is really built off a trail of blood. Every time I smoke his shit that thought, the thought of all the countless murders that brought the THC from the ground into my lungs, makes the high even sweeter.

>>2446871
This seems to be the one case where it can work.

I'm guessing a highly locked down single city with the ability to control access throughout would probably be able to prohibit any substance and generally get away with it. Now, we just need to wall off the cities of the west and turn them into police states.

>>2456712
Lofty goals and what someone wants doesn't mean it's always possible or consistent with reality. Anyone who's hoping for a drug free society is in for a major disappointment.

That said, it's theoretically possible to drastically reduce drug use across the board, but we don't quite have the right answers on how to do that. The campaign to reduce the amount of people smoking tobacco seemed to have better success than an outright ban of other drugs, so maybe it's on to something.

Personally, I think more useful than any law is simply a society looking down on drug use. When you smoke weed or whatever, you instantly get a multitude of people who want nothing to do with you and employers refusing to hire you. As long as the majority of society holds those views, drug use will decrease because drug use will alienate users.

>>2446865
Why is the Islamic ban of alcohol never mentioned? It almost completely eliminated alcohol consumption in the ME.

>>2447574
>punishments for getting caught with drugs isn't harsh enough
>>2462351
>Minimum 1 year sentence for ownership
>>2462830
>All it takes is threat of immediate violence to stop alcoholics!

What is it about abstinence fags that makes you think it's fair to torture and imprison people for doing something you don't like? We get it, you don't like teenagers talking about weed and normies yelling while drinking their beer and watching sports, is that really such a huge deal that you think the solution is to lock up people for years at a time?

>>2462830
I don't know a lot about it. Care to elaborate?

>>2453314

marijuana has never been shown to be more addictive then alcohol.

Or cigarrettes, for that matter.

Or fast food.

>>2453314
>rolling the die for a psych problem if you recreationally use weed
Don't start this shit again

Also, you say weed makes you psychologically dependent but nicotine is no big deal, you can kick it? You are a dipshit.

The biggest problem with drug prohibition is that you can't effectively enforce it without massive privacy violations

It would be better to do away with possession laws and treat it as a mental health problem instead

>>2463182
well it's true. You can't tell in advance who is going to experience psychosis as a result and have life-changing mental illness. Ditto for schizophrenia, panic attacks

>>2448711
kek

>>2462830
Clearly,>>2462890
you've never been to the ME