My reconstruction of Caesar's face

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>>2446312
Why is he brown, and not white, blonde hair with blue eyes?

>>2446312
Caesar had blonde hair and blue eyes

>>2446333
>>2446378
Primary sources quite clearly says he had olive skin and dark brown hair and eyes, guys.

"Caesar is said to have been tall, fair, and well-built, with a rather broad face and keen, dark-brown eyes. His health was sound, apart from sudden comas and a tendency to nightmares which troubled him towards the end of his life; but he twice had epileptic fits while on campaign. He was something of a dandy, always keeping his head carefully trimmed and shaved; and has been accused of having certain other hairy parts of his body depilated with tweezers. His baldness was a disfigurement which his enemies harped upon, much to his exasperation; but he used to comb the thin strands of hair forward from his poll, and of all the honours voted him by the Senate and People, none pleased him so much as the privilege of wearing a laurel wreath on all occasions — he constantly took advantage of it. "

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>>2446429
It´s quite obvious they were saying it ironically.

>>2446464
:(

>>2446497
Thanks for the excerpt anyway, worth the read.

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>>2446312
>>2446333
>>2446378
Everyone is full of shit, shut up:

>"Fuisse traditur excelsa statura, colore candido, teretibus membris, ore paulo pleniore, nigris uegetisque oculis, ualitudine prospera..."

He had black eyes and light skin.

>>2446511
No problem.

>>2446429
>olive skin
>fair
Hmm

>>2446541
Light to the romans. So olive rather than black.

looks like Nicholas Cage to me

>>2446312
t. Brutus

>>2446429
>fair
>olive skin

>>2446560
Dude, maybe fair meant something else to the Romans? I.E olive skin rather than black like the Southern Romans.
You do realise they called the Picts, who had black hair, "dark people"? But the picts weren't black-skinned, black-haired.

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>>2446550
There are some Romans who are described as 'dark skinned' though and it's probably a bronze tan like pic related. It means they just stayed a bit too long in the sun. Maybe Caesar didn't like to tan.

>>2446333
>nordcucks being THIS desperate

>>2446575
It's the English word that the translator (among others) determined to be most representative of its original meaning.

https://translate.google.com/#auto/en/Fuisse%20traditur%20excelsa%20statura%2C%20colore%20candido%2C%20teretibus%20membris%2C%20ore%20paulo%20pleniore%2C%20nigris%20vegetisque%20oculis%2C%20valitudine%20prospera%2C%20nisi%20quod%20tempore%20extremo%20repente%20animo%20linqui%20atque%20etiam%20per%20somnum%20exterreri%20solebat.

>black like the Southern Romans

Oh you're just trolling

>>2446616
I'm not. Look at depictions of the Sardinian Romans.

>>2446602
I'd deffo call that black.

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>>2446610
>He didn´t get the joke

>>2446575
Full damage control.

>>2446633
No I understand your misconception stems from just looking at murals without basic knowledge of Roman art just like kangz that point to depictions of a black Osiris to prove they were indeed kangz.

>>2446638
You niggers realize we, whites, have invented a thing called genetics (one of those science things) so we can ascertain things related to heritage without having recourse to old paintings?

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>>2446638
There's a stark contrast between Roman males and Roman females in their art. The females are light skinned because they stay inside the house doing shores and the males are bronze skinned due to working in the sun all day.

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>>2446690
Sure, but there are real life portraits which show black-skinned men. See here.

>>2446695
Darker-skinned*

>>2446695
That's a tan, faggot. It isn't their natural skin color. Italians aren't shitskins either. Keep them out of the sun and they'll revert back to their natural light skintone.

>>2446690
This.

The only race that can be both tan and pale is the white race. I almost feel embarassed that I need to explain this, but it's negroes we're talking to after all.

>>2446684
>invented genetics
You mean discovered, faggot. This is on par with the "invented electricity" meme.

>>2446695
Sorry that your Subsaharan congoid ancestors didn't accomplish anything, Tyrone.

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>>2446602

Men being darker and women being more fair is Art History 101.

>>2446709
The word genetics can both refer to genetics as a science and genetics as a natural phenomenon. I obviously mean genetics as a science.

>Post a picture of any non-Aryan European on /his/
Nice bait OP

>>2446708
I'm white.
>>2446714
White, british. But ok.
>>2446724
No.
>>2446732
Yeah, clearly. Never thought I'd see someone call Caesar a nigger.

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>>2446739

"The subjects of the Knossos frescoes are often ceremonial scenes, such as this one of bull-leaping. The women have fair skin and the man has dark skin, a common convention in ancient painting." Gardner's Art Through the Ages, 83

Pic related (The Hagia Triada sarcophagus): "In conformance with the common convention in many ancient cultures, the women have light skin and the man dark skin" - Gardner's Art Through the Ages, 89

I can go on.

>>2446739
Yeah nobody said whites can't be dumb af too. The words pleb, and prole exist for a reason.

>>2446695
>>2446638
At worst that's as dark as a modern day Latin American.

>>2446814
Spics are perma shit-colored though. It doesn't go away unlike the tan that Meds get.

>>2446773
Yes, you could go on. You cited the same fucking author twice.

>>2446875
How many authors did you cite in support of your contrary position again?

>>2446878
None. It doesn't really matter anyway, since Caesar wasn't white. I really don't care how Greeks made women whiter in art.

>>2446878
You're a History of Art cunt are you.

>>2446892
Nah, it means you're full of it, got taken to school, and you have nothing to support your position so you don't want to play this game anymore.

>>2446875

Right, and which book did you cite that says what I'm talking about isn't a real convention?

>>2446904
Nope.

>>2446892

Since when weren't Italians white? Unless you're using some retarded /pol/ definition.

>>2446908
Never said it wasn't. Not even saying you're lying, you clearly are right based on the photos you posted. I said no since it's TOTALLY FUCKING IRRELEVANT.

>>2446926
They're olive skinned.

>>2446907
No, it means this is irrelevant to the discussion.
I've got a BSc, want me to delve into nuclear physics (totally irrelevant to this discussion), and when you don't want to answer (or can't, you do seem stupid), I'll just say "You got taken to school"?

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>>2446892
>since Caesar wasn't white
He was white enough.

>>2446930
You're the one who posted a paiting of a tanned man as supposed evidence that Romans weren't white. Then you got BTFO, and now you're backpedaling.

Your pathetic.

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>>2446930
>Never said it wasn't.

>>2446724
>Men being darker and women being more fair is Art History 101.

>>2446739
>No.

>>2446938
>>2446947
Let's see what evidence do you have that is relevant to the discussion then.

>>2446932
Some are White. Some are olive skinned. I wouldn't describe them as Brown which I would reserve for Indians (from Indian subcontient), certain people from MENA and some mestizo races, nor would I describe them as "Black" (which I would reserve for sub-Saharan Africans).

>>2446947
No, I'm not. I posted a tanned man to illustrate a SOUTHERN ROMAN who was darker skinned. The Northern Romans just had a light Tan.
>>2446953
As I've now said twice, that no was since it's fucking irrelevant.
>>2446954
There are no coloured representations of Caesar. We don't know how he was depicted in any art since he doesn't appear in any. As I said, every one of your posts is irrelevant.
I don't have any relevant evidence. I don't really give a fuck what colour Caesar's skin was, I'm not racist.

>>2446960
Ja, mein reichsführer

Caesar was born a few KM away from that South Roman, who was from Pompeii.

>>2446971
>I have no evidence
>I-I don't really care anyway
Hahahahahahaha. My cuckboi.

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>>2446971

Your opinion on it being relevant or not does not change the fact that it is a convention, and you simply said no it wasn't.

Anyways, "He is said to have been tall of stature, with a fair complexion, shapely limbs, a somewhat full face, and keen black eyes" - Suetonius on Gaius Julius Caesar

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>>2446971

We can get the pigments his statue was painted to get a fairly good idea

>>2446971
Say it after me.

>I am a special boy.

>I have fetal alcohol syndrome.

>I will never discuss with my intellectuals superiors ever again.

Say it, faggot. Say it!

>>2446997
I said "no" it's not relevant, not "no" it's not a convention, cunt.

>>2447020
>>2447017
Say it!

>>2447017
You're a dumb cunt.
>>2446998
Ignoring the fact that's Augustus, it's also a posthumous depiction of Augustus, when he was made a God. Romans usually depicted their Gods as white and blonde.

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>>2446312
EVERYBODY IS ARGUING OVER SKINTONE WHEN THE REAL ATROCITY IS THAT EVERY SOURCE DESCRIBES HIM BALD AS SHIT AND YET YOU FAGS KEEP PORTRAYING HIM WITH HAIR

Pic related: What Caesar actually looked like

>>2447027
MY SPECIAL LITTLE KEKBOI!

>>2447023
You're literally the opposite of an intellectual superior. No thanks.

>>2447033
He had enough hair to comb the front, every source describes that.
>>2447036
No.

>>2447020
>get btfo
>move goalpost

Oh anon.

>>2447037
He posted again! He makes his daddy so proud! Too bad mommy had a little too much to drink when she was pregnant, but...

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>>2447033

Ave

>>2447048
Didn't move the goalposts. I clarified what I said earlier. But whatever you want, you clearly know what people wanted to say more than the people who said it.

Who is a cuckboi? Who is a special cuckboi?

>>2447061
Posthumous statue of Caesar as a God.

>>2447044
"Combing a few strands of hair to the front...."
That is not how people portray him and you know that. Ive never seen a portrayal of caesar with a lame combover that everyone else made fun of

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>>2447068

Clarifying and moving the goalpost is the same thing in anonspeak.

>>2447074
You, since you quoted no one.

What the fuck are you arguing over? What degree white caesar was?
Holy fuck get a life

>>2447068
Nobody is taking you seriously anymore after you got anally raped and backpedalled. Cuckboi. All that's left to do is point the finger and laugh.

>>2447079
My picture clearly has him severely balding, so I don't know what you're talking about.

>>2447061
An attempt was made, but op still fucked up in his rendition

>>2447081
See, another example. Jupiter is charcoal black in some vases, for fuck's sake. I'm not denying men were represented as darker and women as lighter. It's just fucking irrelevant, there is no coloured art of Caesar, and the portrait of Teo I posted was a realistic one.

>>2447081
Cuckboi on the right.

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>>2447091
I based it off the only bust made during Caesar's life.

Who is an inbred cuckboi? Cuckboi is an inbred cuckboi.

>>2447093
Kys cuckboi.

>>2447099
Do you have nothing better to do? It's certainly a testament to the pathetic life you must lead.

>>2447107
No thanks. I'm not in the same position as your mother, who should indeed have killed herself while pregnant with you.

>>2447088
Are you OP? OPs pic has the portrayal of a guy who is just starting to lose his hair. Caesar was bald with a comb-over, not slightly thinning at the front
>>2447061
This portrays what he looked like better and we have to assume it was worse in real life

>>2447113
I did all I was supposed to do today, now I'm having a laugh at my favorite fetal alcohol syndrome victim.

>>2447097
But that's not C. Julius Caesar.

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>>2447027
>Romans usually depicted their Gods as white and blonde

He's not blonde there, you shithead.

Also, that's false. You can barely find any blond Greco-Roman God or hero in their frescoes and the males are usually bronze skinned as well: http://www.theoi.com/Galleries.html

>>2447119
There you go cuckboi! Show them! Don't let them speak to you like that just because you were born... that way.

>>2447120
Yes, I am OP. What you've shown isn't a comb-over, and it's a posthumous statue of him as a God.
Anyway, he has a comb-over in my portrait.

>>2447122
It is Julius Caesar. It even has the same three scars depicted in coins of him (absent on the Deified statues of him since they couldn't show flaws).

>>2447124
It's not wrong. See the pigmentation on Greek statues. *All of them*.

>>2447097
The only portraits and pics taken and drawn during stalins life were edited. He was known to have pox scars on his face tho. Do we believe written accounts from people who were there or a period specific commissioned art work of a famous leader? hmmmm

>>2447134
You said, your only piece of evidence a propaganda statue of Caesar.
Nice try.

Cuckboi is a very special little boy! He can argue too you meanies! He just won't show any evidence to back up his claims, but you shouldn't be prejudiced against him!

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>>2447133
See the frescoes instead and shut the fuck up. There are very few polychrome reconstructions of Greco-Roman Gods to draw any conclusions. I'm aware of the Apollo one where he's blonde and blue eyed, but he's the exception, not the rule.

>>2447133
Here are the reconstructed pigments on a statue of Aphrodite. Blonde. http://thumbs.media.smithsonianmag.com//filer/Beauty-In-Living-Color-631.jpg__800x600_q85_crop.jpg

Also, Roman women and Greek women are known from written evidence and also archaeological to have dyed their hair blonde. One Emperor even did it.

>>2446333
He's described as having black hair you utter retard.

>>2447122
What in the fuck are you talking about now
This thread is full of imbeciles
Holy fuck

>>2447161
Forget them, they're claiming he was white, then posting sources saying he's black. They're just trolls.

>>2447129
Thats the thickest comb-over Ive ever seen then. It has none of the signs of a comb-over, even if that was your intention. Next time draw it more pulled back or thinner if accuracy is what you are going for

>>2447163
That's the Arles bust. There is doubt about who it represents.

>>2447155
Apollo isn't an exception. Apollo, Aphrodite, Athena, Zeus, Hermes. Those are only the ones that have been reconstructed, there are plenty more.
Also, congratulations, one of the vases you linked has Zeus pitch black with white hair. You fail at life.

>>2447172
It's literally the same as the only statue made during his lifetime.
>>2447174
Not really. Only one man had three scars on his right neck, and coins of Caesar show it too.

>>2447174
Theres a doubt about who every single bust ever has represented.
Its almost definitely Caesar. More qualified minds than you have already decided this.

>>2447148
That wasnt my post, I only referenced it to give you an idea of what I was talking about. And my evidence is in the writing from the period about him. In the 12 Caesars by Suetonius it makes a huge point about him being bald as does this guys quote altho he does not give a source >>2446429

>>2447179
>>2447183
Just look it up. It's not "decided" yet

>>2447193
That guy is me, and it's from Suetonius Life of Caesar.

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>>2447175
>Aphrodite

Pic related, faggot. Ares together with her.

>Zeus
>Athena
>Hermes

There are no poly reconstructions of those. Stop lying, nigger.

Also, Apollo is blonde probably due to his association with the sun and because he was an idealized prettyboy.

>vase
>fresco

Why are you so retarded?

>>2447201
Ok, so there you go. There are clear primary sources that describe his hair as different to the "only survivng bust of him from the period." As we talked about before depictions of leaders while they are alive are often edited to make them look better and more favorable to the masses. If you are looking for accuracy he was most likely more bald than what you are portraying. This is based on nothing other than primary accounts

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>cuckmom, what are you doing??

>>2447207
Why are you? Never even mentioned frescoes. Blonde Aphrodite : http://thumbs.media.smithsonianmag.com//filer/Beauty-In-Living-Color-631.jpg__800x600_q85_crop.jpghttp://thumbs.media.smithsonianmag.com//filer/Beauty-In-Living-Color-631.jpg__800x600_q85_crop.jpghttp://thumbs.media.smithsonianmag.com//filer/Beauty-In-Living-Color-631.jpg__800x600_q85_crop.jpghttp://thumbs.media.smithsonianmag.com//filer/Beauty-In-Living-Color-631.jpg__800x600_q85_crop.jpghttp://thumbs.media.smithsonianmag.com//filer/Beauty-In-Living-Color-631.jpg__800x600_q85_crop.jpg http://thumbs.media.smithsonianmag.com//filer/Beauty-In-Living-Color-631.jpg__800x600_q85_crop.jpg

>nigger

Classy. I'm white.

>>2447224
Except those written sources can lie. And there's no universal definition to a comb-over. My portrait shows a comb-over and baldness.

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It was either the booze or your brain, cuckboi.

She chose the booze...

>>2447061

Legendary comb-over

he's trying to win back his head

>>2447175

NTG, which vase shows zeus with white hair?

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>>2447232
Clearly just an exception to the other numerous depictions of her where she's a brunette. She's also red haired in that Botticelli painting. It's not like you can't choose different colors to represent a God sometimes.

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>>2447263

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>>2447263
>That Botticelli painting

You mean one of the most famous and recognizable paintings to this day?

>>2447235
More reliable than period portraits/depictions throughout history tho. Anyway we agree that he had a combover, just disagree on the depiction. I think your comb-over could be thinner as I have never seen anyone in real life that had a comb-over that thick.

>>2446333
>argument from authority

>>2447292
I'm balding and I'm rocking something similar.

>>2447292
I'm happy to agree on that, though.

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>>2447289
Yes. You posted a terrible version of it though. Here's a better one. But point is: hair colors on Gods aren't fixated. You can paint it whatever color you want. In Roman frescoes, the Gods and heroes tend to be overwhelmingly brown haired and males with tanned bronze skin . The only creatures that are consistently blonde seem to be nymphs are cherubins.

>>2447397
>JUST

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>>2447033
>>2447061
>>2447122
This is the one constructed during his lifetime and was only found in the recent years, chances are it is how he looked like

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>>2446312
>>2446939
>>2446982
>>2447033
>>2447061
>>2447097
>>2448020

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>>2448020
Alternatively it would be pic related, which was also constructed during his lifetime, for better or for worse...
>>2448036
I always thought the similarities were eerily similar.

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>>2448020
We're not sure if it's really him, but indeed, some Roman sculptures of the same person can differ a lot from each other since some were idealized and others strived for realism. Scipio is a good example of this.

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>>2448047

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>>2448047

>>2448054
This is the actual realistic representation: >>2448049

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>>2448036
>those mongol eyes on Putin

Sorry, but you need to have eyes at least this big to look like a Roman bust.

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>>2448096
not to mention his pseudo-mongolid nose and skull lol

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>>2446312
Why does he look like pic related

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>>2448036
>>2448096
>>2448103
Putin is a finngoloid.

Pic related, an udmurt terrorist from around 1912.