Underrated Roman Emperors

>>2434170
He has a neverending neck. Sign of true genius.

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Constantius II

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>Oh Emperor, My Emperor:
Augustus
Majorian
Hadrian

>Underrated:
Vespasian
Antoninus Pius
Claudius
Aurelian

>Cabbage tier:
Diocletian

>Overrated but still good:
Marcus Aurelius
Trajan
Septimius Severus
Constantine

>Holy fuck what an asshole:
Caracalla
Commodus
Caligula
Maximinus Thrax
Galerius

>Misunderstood:
Nero
Domitian
Tiberius

>Died too soon:
Julian
Alexander Severus
Titus

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>>2434572
>shitting on Diocletian

Saturn's cunt.

>>2434574
Not shitting on him. He was just in the impossible situation of fixing the empire, but doing it in a way that only he could hold it together. Despite not really wanting to do that and fucking off to be a cabbage farmer dooming his efforts to chaos again.

He saved Rome from civil war but doomed it to fight another.

>>2434572

">Cabbage tier"

kekimus optimus maximus

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>>2434170
Trajan really doesn't get enough love desu.

>>2434762
Trajan is considered by many to be one of the greatest emperors of all time just because muh borders. If anything he gets too much love.

>>2434762
Overrated if anything

>>2434625
Still, the 20 years of stability he brought to the Empire gave it time to recover from the crisis years. Plus, he formalized the shedding of Rome as capital city and built the foundations of Constantine's Empire.

>>2434572
Commodus deserves his own tier. Not only was he shit, he reigned for a billion years unlike other shits like Elagabalus.

>>2434508
This is a great one. Even when fighting usurpers, he always prioritized the Empire border security. He reigned for a long time, and consolidated Constantine's reforms

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>>2434572
>Hadrian
>Top tier

>Trajan
>Overrated

Wow, just wow.

So the guy who sets THE precedence of a defensive Rome which increased the chances of wars due to the fact that they left enemies at their borders is some how "gr8"? The true greats are those that persevere under extreme difficulty, an eliminate problems. Trajan was a problem exterminator. Shoved Gladius' up the ass of both Dacians and Parthians.

So let's throw those emperor's who inherited a nice clean empire and easily kept it that way down into the:

>No you don't get a thank you, it's your fucking job.
Tier.

Hadrian fucking sucked. Completely gave up the momentum to the enemy which allowed slow recuperation.

>>2435280
Trajan's expansions east did nothing but fuck the Empire in the long term, pulling troops off of the Rhine which allowed the germanic tribes to get restless, plus decentralize powers of the emperor because he didn't want to actually govern anything and delegated more and more powers to the Senate and the provincial governors.

All to expand east into territory that was too far to be governed or defended just because he wanted to play Alexander. The conquest of Persia ended up costing more than it was ever worth.

And it was Hadrian who had to fix this mess, taking powers back from the Senate causing enmity, pull the troops back where they belonged on the Rhine and Danube, and actually go about the business of governing.

Yea, fuck Trajan. He's overrated and you've only proved that point.

>>2434572
Nice list keksimus

/his/ Discord:
https://discord.gg/McM3J4d

>>2435961
They were probably fags anyway

>>2434508
Agreed

I like Diocletian and Julian. I'm interested to see what Julian could have done given a longer reign. He seemed to be one of those people who were able to accomplish anything they wanted and do it well. I mean, as long as he remembered a fucking breastplate.

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>>2435952
>muh long term
WRONG.

security means pacification of rival nations and obedience to the state, which Trajan was clearly fucking attempting to do, unlike Hadrian.

>muh decentralize powers of the emperor
WRONG.

Are you some kind of boot licking cuck? Have you seen what Nero or Caligula, or muthafucking Elagabalus can do? No one man should have all that power.

Second off, delegation of responsibility is what managers actually, literally fucking do and is taught today. Good job not knowing THAT!

>muh expand east into territory that was too far to be governed
WRONG.

You're just parroting what that spineless coward Hadrian said. Did he not literally build a wall across Britain? LOL do these things ever fucking work when not guarding a city? Now he spends money guarding it instead of pacifying people to become new citizens. Oh and thanks to letting the Parthians live, they became the Persians.

Guess who comes after Persia to wreck the Roman world by way of holy war? Talk about "LONG TERM" right. Are those your words?

>muh taking powers back from the Senate causing enmity
WRONG.

HAHAHAHA! Hadrian just fucking caused a problem (enmity) and you think it's Trajan's fault? Man, I tried to avoid directly purposely insulting you, but you are fucking stupid.

>muh pull the troops back where they belonged on the Rhine and Danube
WRONG.

Why not say pull them back to Illyria, Africa, Asia minor, and some where in central Hispania? Why not pull them back to fucking Italy???

There is no logic to say "pull them back." The only question you should be asking is "are there still threats to the roman state?"

Yeah fuck you. You really don't know shit about managing.

>>2435952
>decentralizing power is bad
Nigger, Rome was rife with civil war because people wanted all that power. Trajan saw how absolute power would destroy a state and sought to keep people satisfied by delegating power back.

You're so retarded if you think absolute monarchies are any good. For every golden age where a capable and energetic emperor reigned, you had several ages of civil strife and internal struggle due to incompetent and lazy rulers that failed to control the bloated empire.

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>>2436180
Majorian did more than Augustus did personally, and his army was about 5% of the size.

Agrippa was the only impressive thing about Augustus.

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>>2434696
>muh cabbages

>>2434852
Commodus should be in "Led to the Empire's Destruction" Tier

>>2436450
>Nothing he did wrong

He should have had a son and set up a proper succession system.

>>2434572
Poor Tiberius. Was forced to divorce his wife to marry that whore. He saw his ex wife and followed her home, crying and asking for her forgiveness. 2000 years later and it still makes me cringe.

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>>2434170
Claudius gets the no respect gold medal by far.

He married Messalina who was a well known nymphomaniac, and cucked the emperor to oblivion.

Man it was so bad the senate decreed damnatio memoriae.

>>2435985

Elly goes into the "it's not a mental illness it's who i am cis scum" tier

>>2434572
Hardian makes a better husband and lover than an emperor though

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>>2437417
>Elly
Elagabalus?
>"it's not a mental illness it's who i am cis scum"
Oh boy
>throws snakes into crowds of people during gladiator battles
>uses naked women to chariot him around while he whips them
>put his guests on a water-wheel and had them consequently drown
>threw gold into the streets as to watch people kill each other over it
>disguised rocks as food among other things so that his guests would bite into them
>let leopards and lions attack his guests after their meal or while they were asleep
>referred to the senators as ‘slaves in togas’
>had 51 tigers killed after his wedding, only to throw his wife out almost immediately after
>married a vestal virgin (Aquilia) two years later in order to have 'godlike children' with her
>soldiers were revolted at the sight of him
>selected candidates for high office based on the size of their junk
>had massive sacrifices made every day in his honor and forced senators to watch
>read the future using childrens entrails
>wanted a cook to refer to him as lady
>threw the cook out shortly after because he couldn't get aroused on demand
>referred to a slave (Hierocles) as his 'husband' and ordered Hierocles to beat him
>opened up a brothel, was a prostitute there, holla'd at passerby's at the entrance, whilst being completely naked
>alienated the roman people by enacting Elagabal as chief deity of the roman pantheon
>wasted the roman treasury on building temples, baths and summer-houses for himself
>locked a lion, a monkey and a snake together in the temple and threw the genitals of his executed enemies at them

>>2434572
>Constantine
>Good
Shit list

>>2437586

>i want to be Caligula but worse

seriously how did it take more than 10 days to get this fag stabbed

>>2434572
Constantine was no saint:

> Have a brilliant son named Crispus
> Allow yourself to be manipulated into executing him after a few highly spurious accusations from your second wife, so as to allow her own son to become the successor in his stead
> Post execution, your mom intercedes on behalf of Crispus
> "Oh well, I guess I'd better kill my wife too"

He was never one to stop and consider matters

>>2434572
You can add Pertinax to the died too soon list. Good job on remembering Severus though- seemed like a cool guy

>>2437731
If Severus hadn't been mommy's little beta bitch the legions wouldn't have murdered him.

Julian though was a tragedy.

I find Nero gets too much shit because of (((Tacitus))) and his exaggerations