wtf i hate lincoln now

Why didn't he send them back?

>>2425810
He wanted to but a certain cuckfederate killed him before he could.

>>2425810
Because God wanted to teach white people a lesson

>>2425820 that man was a mere agent of the divine. Black people will be in America long after whites have been bred out

>>2425810
it was infeasible

>>2425803
wtf i love Lincoln now

>>2425827
if whites die out you'll be back to mudhuts within a decade

>>2425810
Black leaders persuaded him not to.

>>2425852
no surprise. the whiny predecessors to people like W.E.B. Du Bois

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>>2425803
>believing shit politicians say on the campaign trail to get elected

in all of his private correspondences Lincoln detested slavery and compared it to life under his illiterate father, who beat him and worked him tirelessly so that his father could have beer money.

Throughout his early career he was a champion of compensatory emancipation but eventually withdrew his support when he realized that American slavery was not just a rapidly diminishing money making scheme like it was in Europe, but a social institution and a symbol of a specific way of looking at the world that compensatory emancipation was directly challenging.

During the presidential election season he ran as a compromise moderate, pledging that his primary goal was keeping the union together, that he would let southerners keep their slaves, and that he would only prevent new slave states from being created. Yes, most people were racist back then and he was courting the vote of the white working class who didn't actually care about the negro but were worried about their job being replaced by unfree labor.

The true irony is that it was only under emergency wartime powers that Lincoln's life long dream of ending slavery in America became politically feasible. If the battle of Antietam had been a crushing union victory then Lincoln probably would have been made to strike a grand bargain with the south admitting them back into the union while encapsulating the right to own slaves in a constitutional amendment, but it was only because the war lasted as long as it did that the 14th amendment was passed in response to the question of what to do with all the slaves that the US Army had emancipated.

The real reason to hate Lincoln was that he was a compromise wimp, the Barack Obama of his day, who favored a policy of clemency which allowed the confederates to persevere as a culture, rather than completely eradicating and discrediting them as the allies would later do to the Nazis

>>2425926
>The real reason to hate Lincoln was that he was a compromise wimp, the Barack Obama of his day, who favored a policy of clemency which allowed the confederates to persevere as a culture, rather than completely eradicating and discrediting them as the allies would later do to the Nazis
Not even a comparison. A unique Dixie culture existed since the America was a colony of Britain. Only genocide would have eliminated them. Something Blacks and Jews might support but not many others. Meanwhile National Socialism was literally just a political ideology like Marxist-Leninism.

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>>2425926
4chan cancer can only be fixed with effort posing like this, sadly.

Thanks, Sherman

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>>2425844

>>2425926
>If the battle of Antietam had been a crushing union victory then Lincoln probably would have been made to strike a grand bargain with the south admitting them back into the union while encapsulating the right to own slaves in a constitutional amendment, but it was only because the war lasted as long as it did that the 14th amendment was passed in response to the question of what to do with all the slaves that the US Army had emancipated.


The north already offered the south an amendment to protect slavery (see corwin amendment). The south didn't give a fuck, they wanted out as soon as they realized the Executive branch could be won along sectarian lines without a single southern vote.

>The real reason to hate Lincoln was that he was a compromise wimp, the Barack Obama of his day, who favored a policy of clemency which allowed the confederates to persevere as a culture, rather than completely eradicating and discrediting them as the allies would later do to the Nazis

oh it's billy "armchair" yank, the radical republicans already tried your silly opinion and failed miserably. It's also funny you post Sherman when he was the most pro slavery of the union generals and lenient on the confederates after peace.

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>>2425941
>. A unique Dixie culture existed since the America was a colony of Britain.
A worldview which revolved around memes of genetic superiority and social hierarchy which came crashing down after the war anyway, and the only thing Lincoln's limp wristed approach ensured was that latter day terrorist groups like the KKK would completely marginalize negros and keep them politically alienated until the 1960's

Any state which seceded should have been stripped of its statehood, all of its ringleaders should have been tried and hanged for treason, and it should have been a law outlawing the naming or celebrating of anything related to the lost cause just like it's against the law to depict naziism in any German media.

Not completely vanquishing this specter is the cancer which has eaten at the heart of America since

>>2425960
>they wanted out as soon as they realized the Executive branch could be won along sectarian lines without a single southern vote.
In other words, they loved democracy except when it was being used against them. One of the main complaints that the southerners had was that the federal government was not enforcing the fugitive slave act and making free states return runaway slaves.

>oh it's billy "armchair" yank
Thanks Cletus the apologist. South were good boys that dindu nuffin, right?

> the radical republicans already tried your silly opinion and failed miserably.
No, it was botched horribly thanks largely to the efforts of Andrew Johnson, Lincoln's pro-slavery Democrat vice-president replacement which he chose as part of his kumbaya "why can't we all get along" mentality which still exists among yankee progressives.

>Sherman
I post him because I knew he would trigger you, Cletus

>>2425987
>get proved wrong
>proceed to spout memes and attack strawmen

I never made any claims that the south had a good argument. Just your lack of knowledge on the issue. You're "effort posting" is shit and you should feel bad for barely adding anything to this thread other than "muh nazi confederates".

>blaming Andrew Johnson

and Johnson was replaced within 4 years with Grant who let the radical republicans run all over the south during reconstruction. They failed.

Also you complain about the south being allowed to perserve their confederate culture. Culture of what? they already ended slavery and put an end to the secession debate.

>>2425987
>One of the main complaints that the southerners had was that the federal government was not enforcing the fugitive slave act and making free states return runaway slaves.

you mean they were upset that the free states weren't upholding the Constitution that they all signed? huh, really makes you think.


> Article IV, Section 2, Clause 3
>No person held to service or labour in one state, under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labour, but shall be delivered up on claim of the party to whom such service or labour may be due.

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>>2426103
>never made any claims that the south had a good argument.
Of course not because putting words in my mouth is so much easier, Cletus

>You're "effort posting" is shit and you should feel bad for barely adding anything to this thread other than "muh nazi confederates".
No, it feels great shitting all over your confederate circle-jerk by calling out the hypocrisy and revisionism

>the radical republicans already tried your silly opinion and failed miserably.
No they fucking didn't. My opinion is this
>Any state which seceded should have been stripped of its statehood, all of its ringleaders should have been tried and hanged for treason, and it should have been a law outlawing the naming or celebrating of anything related to the lost cause just like it's against the law to depict naziism in any German media.
They didn't come close to doing any of those things. All confederates were issued amnesty and all of the states were readmitted with only haphazard military occupation to look the other way while confederate veterans organized into terrorist cells and worked to deliberately undermine reconstruction until the military pulled out of the south entirely thanks to a shady political deal that allowed the south to return to a facsimile of its previous self, this time with Negroes as debt-slaves rather than legal ones.

>Culture of what? they already ended slavery and put an end to the secession debate.
Always with the weasel arguments with you apologists. A culture which categorizes and organizes itself around the concept of "race" arranged in a rigid social hierarchy kept in place through state-sponsored repression which persisted well into the 20th century.

>>2426129
>you mean they were upset that the free states weren't upholding the Constitution that they all signed? huh, really makes you think.
yeah, that all that noise about confederates being small government conservatives fighting the good fight against the big government yankees is a load of hogwash.

>>2425987
It wasn't a worldview but a culture. One which had inherent inequalities like every society as well as slavery (like every society). I understand to a Black, Dixie is pretty much Satan, although Arabs treated Blacks much worse, but step outside your bias for a second.

>>2426200
oh sorry I didn't see your asinine opinions above. So let me get this straight. You would have hung all the leaders, therefore giving them no reason to surrender and continue the war for another year causing more northern casualties. You want to strip the seceded states of their statehood even though the official stance of the union was that the states never seceded. Also the union did destroy the klan and the "shady political deal" wasn't shady at all, it was the only way a Republican would have been been elected president.

>A culture which categorizes and organizes itself around the concept of "race"

are you implying the north didn't? The union military was itself segregated dumbass. Your posts get dumber by the minute and shilling "cletus" isn't going to fix your bad arguments.

>>2426200
Your inferiority complex shouldn't apply to history or politics friend.

>>2426240
>b-but the Arab slave trade was worse

Doesn't make the Confederacy any better. I swear why are their so many Confederboos on every history related board on the internet?

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>>2426224
>move the goalposts and attack another strawmen

>autistic shermanposter MIA

the last casualty of the civil war

>>2426240
>although Arabs treated Blacks much worse, but step outside your bias for a second.
source? arabs had slavery for a millennium so you can't just make a statement like that without having read a book.

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>>2426247
>oh sorry I didn't see your asinine opinions above.
that's ok, sweetheart, I'm here to help you through your cognitive difficulties

>You would have hung all the leaders, therefore giving them no reason to surrender and continue the war for another year causing more northern casualties.
no, you prosecute them as criminals who single-handedly provoked a war which created hundreds of thousands of casualties in a zealous bid to avoid social change. They were the ones who caused the war, they were the ones who deserved to answer for all that death, no matter how much effort it took to bring them to justice.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_trials
you establish in the eyes of the law and wider society that what they did was inexcusable and not deserving of pity or celebration.
>You want to strip the seceded states of their statehood even though the official stance of the union was that the states never seceded.
You reorganize the territories into new states divorced from the cultural baggage of treason. Carthago delenda est
>Also the union did destroy the klan
More dinduing
>"shady political deal" wasn't shady at all, it was the only way a Republican would have been been elected president.
A short term political gain which completely screwed over the people they were claiming to help.

>are you implying the north didn't?
The difference is that the north treated it as a problem to be overcome, not a tradition to blindly uphold.

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>>2426253
>inferiority complex
sure thing, Cletus

>>2426310
>Gets called autistic
>Vehemently cries out "I AM NOT AUTISTIC" in true autist fashion
Alright jamal.

>>2426240
Arabs didn't treat blacks badly BECAUSE they were black, they enslaved all races

>>2426322
ironic shitposting is still shitposting, Cletus

>>2426322
>you're autistic
>no I'm not
>yes you are

Yeah I'm sure this is going to go well.

>>2425829
But several thousand of them did go over to Liberia

>>2426349
and the white star line bankrupted itself in doing so, with millions more to go

>>2426305
>I'm here to help you through your cognitive difficulties
well you wrote that opinion as a response to someone else, why would I purposely read more of your blog than I need to.


>no, you prosecute them as criminals who single-handedly provoked a war
You couldn't prosecute generals that surrendered under terms they wouldn't be prosecuted you fucking idiot. Most of the other high ranking members fled the country and the only guy imprisoned was Jeff Davis and he was released 5 years later when rich northerners paid his bail and he also left the country. So no, your ideas are shit.

>You reorganize the territories into new states divorced from the cultural baggage of treason.

They fucking couldn't, I already informed you of this above. They legally never "seceded" and as soon as they were invaded by the union they had "legitimate" governments set up that were loyal to the north. How the fuck were you supposed to destroy an abstract concept that never seceded and was being led by unionists? another shit idea.

>A short term political gain which completely screwed over the people they were claiming to help.

Reconstruction would have ended if the Democrats won, it was ending either way at least the Republicans got the Presidency out of it. Radical Reconstruction was poorly managed and wasn't feasible long term.

>The difference is that the north treated it as a problem to be overcome

seems like you're the one dinduing

>>2425803
>Speech made in 1858
Would he still say those things in 1865?