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Why was Scotland the only celtic country to have its shit together?

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Why was Scotland the only celtic country to have its shit together?
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>>2415261
They were friends with the French
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>>2415264
Pretty much this.
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Centralised government and a military capability that was on par with its closest neighbour.
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>>2415264
>>2415281
but why did it unite while the Welsh and Irish did not?
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>>2415281
Sharing the humanist and rationalist outlook of the European Enlightenment of the same time period, the thinkers of the Scottish Enlightenment asserted the fundamental importance of human reason combined with a rejection of any authority that could not be justified by reason. They held to an optimistic belief in the ability of humanity to effect changes for the better in society and nature, guided only by reason. This latter feature gave the Scottish Enlightenment its special flavour, distinguishing it from its continental European counterpart. In Scotland, the Enlightenment was characterised by a thoroughgoing empiricism and practicality where the chief values were improvement, virtue, and practical benefit for the individual and society as a whole.
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>>2415261
>Andalus
>Muslim Spain

>Kingdom of the Franks
>France

>Kingdom of the Burgundians
>Kingdom of Burgundy

>Kingdom of the Romans
>Byzantine Empire

Pick one for each
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>>2415292
>kingdom of the romans
You mean Greek Kingdom?
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>>2415285
Basically King Malcolm III married an Anglo-Saxon and their son David I tried to bring Scotland more in line with England and France when he became King.
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>>2415318
Βασιλεία Ῥωμαίων literally mean Kingdom of the Romans
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>>2415379
>greeks making up names and claims
Wow it's literally nothing.
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>>2415261
Remember the huge clusterfuck that was colonies of Scotland in the 17th century
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excuse me?

they went bankrupt and had to go crawling to England to bail them out and set things straight
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>>2415261

isn't Burgundy like...not in the right place at all? Thought it started in Dijon and spread north into Low Country and Netherlands, not south...? what year is this map supposed to be from??
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>>2415553
This is the medieval German Kingdom of Burgundy, not the late medieval French duchy.
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Is that map before 1000?
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>>2415553
Bungundy existed as three separate polities across medieval and early modern history. First was the Burgundian tribesmen who settled in what we would now call Savoy. The Franks annexed them.

Next was the Kingdom of Arles. The > > > incorporated them over time.

Finally was the Valois-Burgundians you're familiar with. These were a cadet branch of the French ruling dynasty that established nominal independence over the years.
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>>2415433
>>2415451
That's about 800 years after the period OP is talking about

Plus this
>had to go crawling to England to bail them out and set things straight
Is a massive oversimplification of the issue. England were the ones who sabotaged the colony in the first place. The majority of the population in both countries was against the union
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>>2415719
Plus they had been under the same monarchy for a century.
>captcha: James Good
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>>2415264
I thought the Welsh allied with France too? And the Bretons?
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>>2415327
David has to be one of the most underappreciated kings in history.
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>>2415292
kingdom of burgundy and start taking pieces of muslim spain
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>>2415451
By then all the other celtic countries had been forcibly conquered. Scotland managing to get a union which allowed them to expand across the world whilst keeping their rights and liberties is still far superior to what Ireland and Brittany got.
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>>2415261
They unified, whist Ireland did not, which obviously fucked them over. Wales is just Wales
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>>2415891
*unsheathe baguette*
I dare you to say "Kingdom of Burgundy" again !
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>>2415635
>nominal
you mean de facto
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>>2415570
>>2415635

goof looking out guys, currently in a Euro history class that covers 1450-1600AD, so that's why i got mixed up
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>>2415261
Scotland isn't a pure celtic country in the way ireland and wales are. Lowland scots where germanic and much of the islands where scandinavian in culture. It just so happens that the Gael's conqured everyone else, that didn't really last though.

Even before the act of union it was the lowland scots speaking scots who were becoming the dominant faction as they lived in the towns and had all the money.

The modern image of kilt wearing,bagpipe playing scots which seems so popular outside of the UK and Ireland is actually just highland culture and hasn't represented the majority of the population for hundreds of years.

The success of highland millitary units and highland aristorcrats in the imperial system is probably where this focus comes from.
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