Was Roman Empire the USA of their time?

>>2402201
Define "USA".

>>2402210
United States of Aryan ?

In some ways yes.

Assholes that fucked with the people around them and asserted their will and influence into foreign nations for their own betterment, yes.

>>2402294
Just like every Western European country in modern history?

>>2402201
No. There is no historical equivalent to the USA. Rome in particular fails because, unlike modern states, ancient states couldn't really enact much power outside of their borders- or even within at times. Also China was at least as powerful as Rome for most of their histories, so it wasn't even the strongest empire in the world.

Rome was literally Rome.

>>2402201
the USA is the rome of our time

>>2402294
>every nation/tribe on earth exerting power over other nations/tribes for thousands of years
>they were assholes, fuck them for doing something that by todays standards would be horrid!1!!

>>2402479
This is an apt comparison in a very general sense, which is to say it is a Western hegemon.

>>2402312
Rome wasn't Roman. Rome had already ceased to exist and changed continents and religions by the time Rome was founded

Yes. In many ways actually

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>>2402311
>Also China was at least as powerful as Rome for most of their histories

The fact that some people keep memeing this is actually kinda sad.

>>2402939
>truth is meme
anon pls

>not citing the proto finnish korean era

who woulda thunk a history board would be this dense

Just a shame that the US exports such a shitty culture whereas the Romans were at least pretty based.

>>2402959
Why would you soil that era by associating it with the usa?

>>2402201
WE
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>>2402201
dat implication

>>2402201
they built a smaller wall

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>>2402939
>>2402201

No that would be Ming China

First massed use of Gas and artillery warfare
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Pyongyang_(1593)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_invasions_of_Korea_(1592%E2%80%9398)#Occupation_of_Gyeongsang_Province

A single Ming Chinese commando infiltrated Seoul and destroyed the entire food supply of the Japanese army.

Defeated two European powers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Dutch_conflicts

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malayan%E2%80%93Portuguese_war

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ming%E2%80%93Turpan_conflict

Power projection into the Indian Sea:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ming%E2%80%93Kotte_War

4th Vietnam Domination:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ming%E2%80%93H%E1%BB%93_War

Culling the savages:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ming_campaign_against_the_Uriyangkhad_horde

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yongle_Emperor%27s_campaigns_against_the_Mongols

Hell, Ming China even experienced their Version of Pearl Harbour
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Liaoluo_Bay

Like it or not, Ming China deserves Mad Respect.

>>2402201
No since the USA didn't expand their "empire" no because they are not creating their own culture.

A bunch of religious lunatics that were to retarded to be accepted in europe went to a pretty advantageous place and got to be a superpower.

The downfall has begun with trumps election, the USA is a failure in many ways and in some areas like healthcare justice system it is literally a 3rd world country.

Stop comparing your shithole with le Romans.

ty

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You mean, is the USA the Roman Empire of our time? It kinda is.

>>2402294
>implying every other nation in existence hasn't done the same thing

>>2402201

not really, they actually improved the conquered regions and invested in architecture and infrastructure

>>2403389
What is marshall plan?

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>>2402479

I'm just waiting for the people saying Trump is the next Caesar to be proven right, so congress can crowd him and stab him to death, and a civil war can erupt between the Trumpites and congress. After the trumpite victory, it will emerge into a civil war between Bannon and Eric Trump, and Eric will emerge as Princeps.

>>2403401
Funding of a frontier region against an enemy who couldn't be beaten over decades.

>>2402939
you're right it was more powerful

>>2403270
>they hail as the construction of empire
That's exactly what the USA doesn't do. Americans are a bunch of limp-wristed faggots who didn't even have the martial dedication to defeat the viet cong or to forcefully assert their influence in defeated countries like Iraq, which is being influenced by Iran.

>>2402294
You have to be 18 to post on this site

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>>2403403
>Mfw

>>2403564
Give it time, anon.
Give it time.

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>>2403256
*blocks your path*

>>2403414
>reading comprehension

>>2402310
>>2402919
>>2403382
>>2403569
The fuck is with all this butthurt? I'm American and anon is right. It's a rather inane comparison but less so than the subsequent replies.

>>2402926
Not even memeing, but what did he mean by this?

>>2402959
Rome and the USA were nothing compared to them.

>>2402201
Then what was the Parthian and Sassanid Empire?

>>2403931
Soviet and Mexico?

>>2403942
Yeah because their geographically south of Rome right? Mexico = Carthage.

IMO no, USA is more like cathrage.

>>2403403
Pence is Lepidus then?

>>2403266
You're retarded. Rome was also a shithole if you compared how the Roman slaves lived to how Germanic tribals did, who were actually healthier and had a better diet than many Romans did. Romes founding myth was that a literal bunch of horny bandits got together to kidnap and raped the women of a nearby village to create the first generation of "Romans".

>>2404087
>degenerate as fuck
>ruled by corrupt oligarchs for decades
>needs their army to keep conquering for resources
they even use the fucking eagle... Rome = U.S.A.

>>2403778
He's making light of the fact that every Roman successor state was anything but Roman.

>>2402201
Absolutely not. You see, Rome happened a long time ago so I only see it through nostalgia goggles, whereas the U.S. exists right now so it can't live up to an the image of Rome completely based on my own perception. Things that are different or less familiar to me are always better because I'm 14 and lack perspective and wisdom.

>>2403403
What does that make Mattis? Pompey?

>>2404087
Well, one could called Planned Parenthood a sacrifice to Moloch...

>>2403382
>implying everyone isn't the Roman Empire

>>2402201
WUZ

>>2407916
ROMUN

>>2402310
More like any country in history when given the chance to act like this.

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>>2403564
>>2403652
No, I'm sick of waiting.
I want my American military parades that makes Russia's Victory Day parades look like tiny marching bands.
I want my President to be addressed as "His Imperial Majesty" and wearing a crown and regalia befitting a world hegemon.
I want our eagle to soar over the world as a symbol of our never-ending power and glory, subjugating the world under our superior might.
I want the American Empire. I want America to be proud of the fact that it's an empire, and I want it right now.

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>>2408618
>knowing that there's influential neocons who actually think like this

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>>2408639
Wrong. I'm a traditionalist, monarchist, and above all imperialist.

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>>2408646
Oh yes, when I think of American tradition, my immediate thought is always: monarchy...

You may want to look into those Founding Fathers of yours.

>>2408654
Alexander Hamilton and many other Founding Fathers, particularly those in the Federalist camp, supported the idea of an American monarchy. The only big reason why it wasn't made a reality was because Washington was too humble to accept that title.
Of course, hereditary rule is a folly, so an elective monarchy would be the ideal solution, as Hamilton initially proposed, thus preserving American tradition by supporting democratic representation and election of leadership.

>>2408646
cringeworthy desu

>>2408681
imagine what he could come up with after his 14th bday though. Give the kid some credit

>>2408618
>>2408646

I wish I was 12 again.

>>2408677
So you're against American tradition? Your whole program is based an "if only" that the Founding Fathers rejected.

Are you so dim that you can't even see the glaring contradictions in your position?

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>>2408681
>>2408694
>>2408698
Tell that to the British in the 19th century. Or the Romans in the 2nd century AD. Seemed to work pretty well for them. But oh no, it's cringeworthy, so obviously it's a failed concept.

Stop being pathetic betas.

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>>2408703
>Stop being pathetic betas.

Gosh, I cringed so much my chin met my pelvis.

>>2408702
Not all American traditions need to have strictly American origins. This is proven by the fact that the Founding Fathers inspired much of their ideas about government from the Roman Republic, as well as British common law. Turning the position of President into an elective monarchy does not destroy any sense of American tradition.

>>2408712
At least now it's easier for you to suck yourself off now, right, faggot?

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>>2408719
>Turning the position of President into an elective monarchy does not destroy any sense of American tradition.

Getting rid of the Legislative and Judicial branches is a bit anti-American.

>>2402210
Fuck anyone who replies with "Define .... "

>>2408735
He has a point though. The US is by definition pluralistic, making any talk of "America" as some sort of monolith, sound... well, a bit stupid.

>>2408728
That's some shitty bait right there, but fuck it, I'll bite.
Having an elected monarch, Congress, and the Supreme Court are not mutually exclusive. Congress would still act as the primary legislative body, the Supreme Court would rule in constitutional issues, and the monarch would continue to act as the chief executive, as well as head of state & government. Separation of powers would still be a defining factor in American politics, and the monarch would change very little in that regard. Read Hamilton's notes on the subject.

>>2408743

So you want a monarchy that is nothing like a monarchy? You want the name but none of the substance?

Fuck me, does someone else want to take over from here? This guy's stupid may start to rub off.

>>2408742
Define a "monolith"

>>2408763
A large, impersonal political, corporate, or social structure regarded as indivisible and slow to change.

>>2408756
>All monarchy is absolute monarchy.
Are you a fucking retard or what? Hell even absolute monarchy is not a thing until that France king curtailed the feudal lords power. If you want more example see Poland-Lithuania Commonwealth and their Sejm

>>2408756
I bet you think the United Kingdom isn't a monarchy either just because Queen Elizabeth doesn't directly intervene in the processes of Parliament, do you?
Believe it or not, the powers of the President today are quite extraordinary in scope, and if not for the term limits, could be mistaken for monarchical powers. Executive Orders are more and more resembling decrees in their scope, the President's veto power in Congress can easily be paralleled to royal assent, and he also has absolute command of the military as its supreme authority.
Also this >>2408772, constitutional monarchies are still monarchies, and absolutism is both stupid and a pipe dream.

>>2408772
>>2408776

Wouldn't it be much more in the American tradition to extend presidential terms? That's basically what you want, then?

Why the fuck would you introduce the concept of monarchy into American discourse (especially when you claim to be an American traditionalist)?

>>2408785
>Wouldn't it be much more in the American tradition to extend presidential terms? That's basically what you want, then?

It always amazes me how some people would prefer *less* democracy.

"Hur dur, give us less control over our politics"... bizarre.

>>2408785
I'm actually more of a Western traditionalist as a whole, but I acknowledge that many American traditions are quite ideal as well, namely commitment to democratic representation and the sanctity of constitutional law.
If by 'extend presidential terms', you mean that the President should serve for a term of good behavior (meaning for life so long as they do nothing worthy of impeachment), then you're getting close to the idea, but monarchism is more than that. Monarchies often rely on heavy symbolism, such as the crown or regalia of a monarch, to to emphasize their esteemed position.

>>2408796
The decrease of citizen influence on the political process in the US would be literally insignificant despite changing the Presidency into an elected monarchy.

>>2408801
So you basically want longer presidential terms and more ceremonial pomp? Granted, that's not nearly as interesting and attention-grabbing as "I am an American monarchist and traditionalist", so I can see why you chose the latter.

I still think though - subject of the House of Windsor that I am - that you're bloody weird.

>>2408770
Define "impersonal".

>>2402201
>puppet state of Israel
>is filled with SJW's, idiots and fat fucks
Maybe if the Roman Empire was really cucked.

>>2404087
No, just no.

>>2408703
>anachronistic map
>he thinks Britain didn't have a strong parliamentary tradition

>>2403403
I thought we had all agreed he is Sulla.

>>2408618
imagine a parade and at the end of it we blow up something with an atom bomb way off in the distance or out at sea or something

shit would be dope

>>2407395
I am Roman Empire and so can you.
>>2410209
You mean Crassus.

>>2402210
A world dominant power that self destructed after getting a stupid inbred self obsessed idiot as leader?

>>2409614
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_empire

>>2410678
It's ok, Obama isn't president anymore

>>2408834
Define "define"

>>2408703
>landgrabbing literal shitholes
>impressive

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>>2408703
Ah yes the famous British empire full of >fucking nothing

>>2402294
>just described every state in history

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>>2403403
Replace fagboy eric with barron and thats spot on

>>2408703
>too shit to win anything in continental Europe
>better conquer niggers and abos
This is like a top 10 heavyweight boxer dropping out of a prize fight to spend the rest of his life engaging in bar brawls.

>>2412484
Barron is the key to all this.

>>2403403
Why do all the Trump boys have such dry lips? Buy a tube of carmex, god damn. Those things are crackin apart.

>>2403001
Jews

>>2403403
kek

>>2408703
>Seemed to work pretty well for them.
Have you seen Italy or Britain today? I'd rather the U.S. end up like the Chinese who still manage to become a super power in their own region every half millennia, not burn out overextending yourself across the globe and wasting resources on ungrateful third-worlders who will throw it all down a drain the second you turn your back on them

>>2408646
>there are full grown men that think this way

>Sense of civic nationalism that did not preclude ethnic identity
>Proto-capitalist
>Expansionist
>Always attempting to frame every conflict as a defensive war (Sinking of the maine, gulf of tonkin etc)
>Wealth inequality
>Welfare
>Blood sports in concrete arenas
>Republic that degrades to authoritarianism over the centuries

Rome is the US's past, present, and future.

>>2403574
Eu tu, Pence?

>>2403574
Hail Caesar

>>2408646
t. 19th century farmer.

>>2406443
Well, they needed women, so they took them.

What do you expect them to do, spit mad pick-up lines and seduce them? It's pathetic.

>>2413229
The point was that you can make the Romans sound equally as deplorable and shitty. Hell, you can do that for any country.

>>2408618
>I want my American military parades that makes Russia's Victory Day parades look like tiny marching bands.

Nigga, don't mess with us, we have enough nukes to erase your country. If we're going down, we'll take the world with us.

>>2412292
>No wreath
>No fasces
You're right, there is nothing to see here.