Weimar Germany

Are we being raided by /pol/?

>>2396275
we are /pol/

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>>2396275
No raid, just thought I'd get your take on the info I've provided

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Anyone have thoughts on Weimar Germany?

>>2396378
it was set up to fail

You're pre-supposing there are objective morals regarding sexuality and that people have all uncovered these truths and accept them.
Critical thinkers have realized actually that this is an impossibility and moved on.

The premise of the article's argument (as poorly disguised as it is) doesn't resonate with people who aren't dummies, probably why your thread isn't taking off.

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>>2396393
Are you seriously saying morality regarding child prostitutes, hyper sexuality, and proliferation of pornography in society is subjective? Good God what is wrong with (((you)))

>>2396392
Can you explain further?

>>2396412
Ithink those things are bad but yea, they are pretty subjective.

>>2396412
I only wholly disagree with child prostitution, the other points I don't know enough about and could imagine people producing arguments that support these things.

Anyway, yes it's subjective.
If you were to claim raping and torturing toddlers is morally bad that still would be subjective, retard.

>>2396415
all nations got an army, their own or someone else's.
the weimar republic lacked an army so they had a bunch of paramilitaries instead undermining the government's authority
didn't help France had to undermine it by occupying the rhineland

>>2396420
if you think really much everything in society is sujective

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>>2396420
Rev. 3:15-3:16
>and so I spit you out of my mouth, for you are lukewarm and neither hot nor cold, Oh how I wish you would be one or the other!
Read the article, many children were forced into these circumstances, there isn't anything subjective about this evil, that's just a cowards way out of an argument.

>>2396436
Clearly some people agree with child prostitution, why are they wrong?
If it isn't subjective you should be able to defeat their position with logic alone.

God can't you just stay in /pol/?
If you were to produce one bit of objective morality you would -literally- destroy philosophical canon spanning over thousands of years.

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>>2396428
I suppose I should have been more specific, I was talking about the social decay and radical changes in society during the Weimar years.
What you say interests me tho, can you talk me about pic related?

>>2396444
Explain to me why it's ok to have sec with a child? Why it's ok to force children into prostitution as was done in Weimar Germany?
Normal kids don't think about sex, at least no where near prostitution.

>>2396455
>Explain to me why it's ok to have sec with a child? Why it's ok to force children into prostitution as was done in Weimar Germany?
I can't, because there's no logic behind morality.
I can only tell you why I personally think it's wrong, because I don't like it, because I have basic human empathy and children are deserving of sympathy and protection IMO.

I'm aware I couldn't really produce a logical argument to prove someone who disagrees with me wrong.
It doesn't mean he's right, also doesn't mean he's wrong.

>>2396446
pol infographics are not a substitute for studying

>>2396463
You can't be afraid to take stances on such issues just so you can give off an intellectual air.
If this was really a subjective issue as you claim then theft murder and pedophlilia cannot be considered crimes and cannot be punishable.
A pedohile could easily say that he thinks his action was morally just because he did it out of love or something sick like that.
That's why the argument is inherently flawed, it pulls the rug out from under every basic law

>>2396475
I meant the communist revolutions in Germany during the time, should have explained along with the pic my bad

>>2396484
You are dense, read some philosophy before you construct moral arguments.

>If this was really a subjective issue as you claim then theft murder and pedophlilia cannot be considered crimes and cannot be punishable.

They weren't crimes for many time periods in many different cultures, again it's subjective you dunce.
I'm not even defending pedophilia, I'm saying your argument falls flat on the first steps it attempts to take.

You're clearly too thick to engage in this debate though.

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>>2396501
Listen autist, if subjectivity is the issue here then wouldn't it stand to reason that SUBJECTIVELY speaking, the aforementioned crimes are seen as morally unjust in MY culture? In European culture in General? If no one really had a problem with all this degeneracy in Germany why did Hitler come into power?

>>2396511
No, they're objectively unlawful in your culture not objectively morally wrong.
Again the problem isn't that I'm disagreeing with the morals, it's your attempt to vilify Jewish people by presupposing everyone here agrees to your morality, a common problem with the low-IQ /pol/ mind, everyone ought to think like me! And if they don't, they just don't know they think like me yet!

It's intellectually dishonest and retarded.

Now even if this wasn't an issue, this shit is easily debunked either way.
You can't .jpg yourself through a scholarly subject like history.

>>2396523
>everyone ought to think like me!
Ok so can we agree that Germans felt that child prostitution, hyper sexuality, and social decay was something they disagreed with? If they didn't Hitler certainly would not have come into power.
That being the case then, would you then agree that it was wrong of the Jews who did participate in the manevolent activities aforementioned to push that on the German people without their consent?

>>2396412
>Good God what is wrong with (((you)))
Nothing a precisely administered dose of between 7 or 14 grams of lead (depending on the size and weight of the patient) to the base of the skull can't cure.

>>2396543
No we can't, you're acting as if there's a monocausal explanation for the rise of Hitler.
If people were engaging in sexual degeneracy then it obviously was popular.
Child prostitution being a different topic.
>people had too much sex
>
>Hitler

>>2396475
Just out of curiosity, what happens if you study and come to the same conclusion as the infographic?

>>2396559
You ever listen to Hitlers speeches? What he talked about, what he viewed as evil?
You know what type of books the Nazis would burn? Pornography, which in most cases was written by jews

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>>2396566
The info graphic is proven as correct and you end up with egg on your pseudo intellectual face

>>2396566
then you're able to defend your views without resorting to simply regurgitating simplistic infographics compiled with an obvious bias in mind

>>2396559
>>2396543
Where does genocide fall on that list?

>>2396559
What is it that motivates people like you to defend the indefensible?
Do you get a thrill out of it?
Is it like trolling and you do it for the lulz?
Genuine question from someone who doesn't understand what it is about destroying morality that you find so enjoyable.

>>2396585
Explain? Are you trying to say that the genocide was also wrong? Just trying to clarify

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>FACE ME YOU COWARD! ISING SUBJECTIVITY TO JUSTIFY PEDOPHILIA!

I bet you did t even look at my link

>>2396594
>Genuine question from someone who doesn't understand what it is about destroying morality that you find so enjoyable.
You retard, reality destroys morality.
I'm not a moral nihilist, I just understand that I cannot use reason to tell someone why his moral code is fucking wrong.

This is one of the most basic truths of philosophy, we cannot find objective morality, it's impossible.

>>2396393
Thats not how sage works you idiot, you gotta put it in options not name.

>>2396653
But aren't you saying that subjective morality is an OBJECTIVE truth in philosophy, when philosophy is (supposedly) a purely subjective thing?.
Sounds like a paradox m80

>>2396594
I'm not him but I also agree that morality is subjective. There is nothing I get out of it, what can you even get from some shitty anime fagsite anyway?

The reason why some believe that morality is subjective stems from the idea that all men are equal. If all men are equal, then aren't all ideas worth the same? Therefore, if one man believes in A, but the person next to him believes in B, then who is right? Person A, or Person B? What philosophers of the past argued is that neither of them are right, since morality stems from a creator, someone/something greater than man itself. That brings up another argument; can morality exist without a God?

>>2396412
Reminder that age of consents are completely arbitrary. Reminder that restricting what two people voluntarily choose to do in the privacy of their own homes is no different than the brutality used against homosexuals and other so-called "sexual deviants" in the past.

>>2396663
No ought-statements about morality are subjective, that moral codes are ultimately subjective is objective.
Is-statements can be objective.
Ought-statements cannot be.

You really really need to educate yourself before you venture outside of /pol/ homo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is%E2%80%93ought_problem

>>2396664
This person is also wrong about most things he said.

>>2396664
>all men are equal
No, not to imply inferiority or superiority, but equality just does not exsist between mortal me, not even two brothers are equal to one another
>Morality comes from God
Yes, it is the only unbiased source of such a thing like morality

>>2396653
>You retard, reality destroys morality.
No it doesn't, anymore so than reality destroys any other human construct.

>I'm not a nihilist I'm just a nihilist!
OK.

>This is one of the most basic truths of philosophy, we cannot find objective morality, it's impossible.
I wasn't aware all philosophy was atheistic in nature.

>>2396674
And how does this prove that forced child prostitution, sexual depravity, and much more was ok in Germany, after it was artificially introduced to the society/culture from a foreign entity?

>>2396682
>No it doesn't, anymore so than reality destroys any other human construct.
You're right, what I meant to say was reality destroys the objective nature of anything that we bring into existence.
It's subjective per definition.

Moral relativism isn't the same as moral nihilism.
I believe in my own personal moral values.

>I wasn't aware all philosophy was atheistic in nature.
It isn't.
All philosophy agrees we can't find objective morality.
Those few that try either fail or stray away from morality and deal with ethics like Kant.

Man, if you were to find literally -one- instance of objective morality, then you would have made the greatest discoveries of the past 2000 years.
>>2396679

>>2396664
>The reason why some believe that morality is subjective stems from the idea that all men are equal. If all men are equal, then aren't all ideas worth the same?

Then perhaps it's time we stopped pretending that all men are equal if it leads to us drawing nonsensical conclusions.

>>2396703
Created equal and dying equal are two different things, not that anyone would be a fair judge anyhow.

>>2396702
>one piece of a bjective morality
Murder
Murder is wrong throughout every culture, regardless whether it's tribalist If or not

>>2396268
>these sources
ayy lmao

>>2396714
Can you disprove it?
It's all cited at the bottom of the article

>>2396702
>Moral relativism isn't the same as moral nihilism.
There is no functional difference.

>All philosophy agrees we can't find objective morality.
So you're claiming philosophers who operate from a religious premise don't believe in objective morality?

>>2396268
tl;dr
"jews did shit and control us but I still believe in free will"

>>2396740
>believe in free will
Can you explain what that has to do with your answer? Are you saying that Germans willing oarticipated in this? Just wanting to clarify

>>2396713
Still not fucking objective and again that's not true you idiot.
The Mayans sacrificed people as often as they could, one could argue war is murder and practically every civilization has engaged in it etc.

Murder of Jewish people was OK in Nazi Germany aswell.
Even if every single person on this planet agreed to one thing regarding morality, it still wouldn't be objectively true, it would be inter-subjectively true you complete dunce.

>>2396726
Yes there is.
Moral nihilism says there are no oughts.
Moral relativism says there are many contradictory oughts.

>So you're claiming philosophers who operate from a religious premise don't believe in objective morality?
No. But it would be wrong and not held to any regard by philosophical imperatives.
You don't even need to look at religious philosophy for that, look at Sam Harris' attempts at finding objective morality and the destruction it has brought upon his merits as a philosopher.

>>2396740
The lengths that people go to avoid admitting that Jews occasionally become involved in shady shit never fails to amaze.

>>2396759
>occasionally
Kek
Yea everyone avoids the jq dont know why

>>2396676
>>2396679
>>2396703

bro you're just a fucking retard I'm 100% right legit go read a real philosophy book mr. fedora

>>2396755
>Moral nihilism says X=0
>Moral relativism says X=+1-1
No
Functional
Difference

>>2396772
>Moral nihilism says X doesn't exist
>Moral relativism says X can equal 1 or 2
No
Functioning
Brain

>>2396755
>Mayan sacrifice was murder
Human sacrifice can't be properly considered murder, it was ritual
>war is murder
Are you retarded, gay, or both?
>murder of Jews was ok in Germany, got you now Nazi!
I honestly think the holocaust is very sketchy, looking at the design of the gas chambers/creamatoriums, the fact that the only "death camps" were those inspected by the soviets, and even recently how that Israeli cane out saying he made up the 5 million dead goys number
I'm not saying no one died, they did, but it's blown way out of proportion

That said I'm talking about infdividual murder, like I break into your house and shoot you in your cuck head

>>2396769
Why was I included in that? I'm not the same guy

>>2396776
How autistic do you have to be to not realize that a digital clock that flashes random numbers tells you the same amount of information as a digital clock that doesn't light up?

>>2396805
Almost as autistic as you :^)

>>2396839
That's pretty god damned autistic, he should get help

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>>2396861
Agreed

>>2396268
A shitty sensationalist article from a neo-nazi propagandist.

>>2396543
Apparently people were perfectly okay with this alleged degeneracy then because in 1928 the Nazis got only 2.6% of votes. Please don't believe everything you read on the Internet. Even Wikipedia is a vastly superior source to neo-nazi articles.

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>>2397255
>everything that goes against my perception of the world is X Propoganda!
Faggot

>>2397329
It's pure propaganda for ignorant people.

They brainwashed and manipulated you. Start thinking for yourself.

>>2396296
This is /pol/ without the fucking reddit faggots.

>>2397363
How is it propoganda exactly?

You don't think the holocaust narrative is in the slightest supcious? You don't think anyone benefits from it?

>>2396378
Good constitution actually, perhaps the best. Except for the part where the President should have been Wilhelm II and not Adolf Hitler.

Hitler as chancellor was fine but if he hadn't assumed the power of the presidency too history would have been much better.

>>2397410
I wish, sure we have reddit niggers but there's a lot of low energy cucks
here like this guy>>2397410

>>2397413
No. Also you clearly don't know the academic holocaust narrative.

>>2397414
Article 48 was a mistake.

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>>2397421
I don't know the academyic holocaust narrative? What led you to that conclusion? They teach us WWII and spend a few days on the time period and the war then three weeks on the holocaust because it's that special apparently.
>Here's an example of what they teach in schools this is a us history class btw (18 yo senior)
You still haven't answered my question, how is my article propoganda?

>>2397439
I'm talking about academic works, not your high school books which tend to be simplified.

If you really don't see why your article is propaganda then you're a dumb naive person. Ask yourself why the mentions of child prostitution came from 1923, then check the sources, for example Karl Wiehe was a member of DNVP, then look at the sensationalist and emotional style of writing.

And the most important question. If it was really that bad and the Germans hated it so much then why the NSDAP was largely irrelevant until 1930 and why those 'foreign' communists were more popular than them throughout 1920s.

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>>2397480
>child prostitution 1923
Yea Weimar years, what's the issue there?
>emotional style of writing
I got pretty heated reading this couldn't imagine what it felt like to write it
>foreign communists more popular in 1920s
Your just highlighting how bad the Weimar years were, how foreign communist Jews were able to bring society to such a low point where they would be vulnerable to communists
>why wouldn't your academic view of it be propoganda/misinformation?

>>2397502
You're an idiot. I'm wasting my time.

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>>2397513
So that's your only argument? I'm an idiot?
Tell me where I'm wrong, where the article is wrong, it has sources cited at the bottom.
Why is this such a taboo that can't be discussed?

>>2397527
You ignored my arguments. History is roo complex for you, go back to your meme board.

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>>2397581
How did I ignore your arguments?
>history is too complex for you, believe me I post on /his/ regularly this gives me the authority to say such
Piss off

>posts link from fake news website with an obvious political agenda as proof of Weimar Germany being an immoral hellhole

They were more sexually liberal than a lot of places, but I highly doubt they were much worse than any other place that experienced an economic collapse.

>>2397605
The point is that they fell deeper into moral decay than ever seen before the Great War

>>2397610
Mostly because their economy collapsed. Shit happens when an economy collapses.

As I said, they were more sexually liberal than a lot of places, but they weren't the pit of Caligula this conspiracy rag is making them out to be.

>>2397618
What about disproportionately Jewish involvement in
>cinema
>theatre
>brothers
>prostitution

>>2397625
[citation needed]

Also fucking irrelevant. Jews are just more Germans. If anything, I'd wager there was a disproportionate number of Jews that weathered the economic collapse well (thus owning businesses, and thus more likely to be involved in just about anything) due to the fact there were a shitload of wealthy Jews in Europe in general.

>>2397636
>citation needed
Read the fucking article
Isn't weird that a group that makes up less than 1% of the populace is so concentrated in media/entertainment/academia?

great arguments everyone

>>2397681
I've read it before, his claims are spurious.

>>2397700
well what do expect from a thread made by a teenager still in highschool who spent the last couple years learning from the /pol/-institute of memes & political science?

>>2397709
How so? Explain

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>>2397710

>>2397710
you still didnt say whats wrong and why

>>2397681
High IQ, nepotism and money.
It's not a plot, things just turned out that way.

>>2397711
They're not academically credible. The site is a conspiracy theory website.

>>2397720
What about the sources cited? Sorry this arycle wasn't posted on Huff post

>>2397716
Their religious cdevhas nothing to do with it right?
>Messianic Judaism

>>2397715
I thought it would be wisest to save myself the effort given the state of the thread.

>>2397738
very nice
i thought /his/ would be better
back to memes i guess

>>2397739
Ah, fool that you are to think he should pick every fight.

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>>2397738
>tfw too smart to argue
Are you serious? Hahaha

>>2397755
fool of me thinking people wouldnt just come to a thread on 4chan and shit up with no arguments
Dont even know why i came to /his/ desu im off

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>dumb faggots continue to bump the thread with smug non arguments instead of just letting the thread die
kys

>>2397762
Have you ever heard the saying 'cut your coat according to your cloth'?

>>2397716
What's the connection between high IQs and producing porn?

>>2397738
>>2397755
I thought you faggots had some intellectual integrity when looking into history, not just dismissing claims as >propoganda
>not credible
>non argument
Shame

>>2397728
Well, considering a big chunk of them are from a guy who worked for "the Institute for Studies of the Jewish Question" in late 1930s Germany, take a guess.

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>>2397779
A follow up to what he said

>>2397780
You seriously expect us to analyze every source on a site that's basic message seems to be "Hitler was right and Israel owns the US?" Fuck that noise.

>>2397781
Why does that mean all of their findings are invalid? History goes to victor, I thought you would know this.
We all know Jews are not an innocent people, there's a reason why they've been kicked out of 109 countries and it isn't just baseless anti Semitism

>>2397788
Have you checked literally any of those sources senpai?

>>2397790
I expect you to analyze something that challenges your world view, at least give some thought into it besides "wait a minute, Hitler was bad!"

>>2397798
Yes, Putin himself has even talked about how the Jews played a heavy role in Bolshevik Russia

>>2397793
>Why does that mean all of their findings are invalid? History goes to victor, I thought you would know this.

It means there's an obvious ideological angle to their studies and that their conclusions are worthless due to flawed methodology.

>We all know Jews are not an innocent people, there's a reason why they've been kicked out of 109 countries and it isn't just baseless anti Semitism

Jews have largely only had problems in predominantly Christian countries, which is easy to explain since their very existence weakens Christianity's credibility. European anti-semitism stems back largely to this and the economic friction resulting from the Jewish history of money-lending.

>>2397779
>what's the correlation between high IQ, high wealth, a lack of religion, ties to film making and producing porn
idk man idk.

>>2397801
Buddy, you're not some free thinker blowing our minds with something new here. I was in the thread when that link was posted shortly after /pol/ was first made.

This question has been analyzed thoroughly, it does not hold up to academic scrutiny. If you truly give a shit about it, go educate yourself on the subject in an actual academic environment. We'll meanwhile continue to mock you for the fact you haven't yet grown up.

>>2397809
>which is easy to explain since their very existence weakens Christianity's credibility
wut

>>2397819
>Educate yourself in an actual academic environment
You know damn well this is impossible to do in today's world without being labeled a neo Nazi

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>>2397809
So your saying ALL of their findings are bullshit, not one bit is true? What was so flawed about there methodology?
>antisemitism only exsists because Jews killed Christ
No because Jews are assholes
>started race riots in Alexandria
>constantly lie throughout history whether it be about christ's existence or Romans killing 40 million heebs
>coin clipping
>communist revolts
Many such cases!

>>2397819

Today's "academic environment" is openly and patently hostile to certain modes of thought that may still be valid

In fact, most of your professors and thinkers of 80-50 years ago would probably be ran out of campus

>>2397865
Of course, it's a conspiracy! This is how you can spot someone who never studied history.

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>>2397893
>conspiracy
What is the Berkeley riots dipshit? You think that's isolated too? It's not
What's with your non arguments?

>>2397900
Let's just change subject! Amazing tactic, my dear /pol/kid.

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>>2397906
Changing the subject? You're the one who said to "educate myself in a real academic environment" to which another anon and myself replied with saying
>>2397837
>>2397865
And you merely dismissed it as conspiracy, which I refuted by bringing up the Berkeley riots as ONE case out of many on how right wing dialogue gets shut down on college campus and you decide to brush it off by claiming I am changing the subject? Neck yourself.
>/Pol/kid
On second thought you deserve the oven

Pretty sad that /pol/ has turned thousands of impressionable young kids into little wind-up dolls designed to spout the same talking points all because of a misplaced sense of rebellion.

>>2397805
Not him, Jews played a heavy role in Bolshevist Russia for the same reason they played a heavy role in capitalist America. Because Jews aren't one entity in hivemind, since a few centuries back they've been part of educated, wealthy burgeois traditions that end up conforming economic and intellectual avant garde, and become susceptible to intellectual movements of the time. Ayn Rand was no less a Jew than Karl Marx, nor was Milton Friedman. The idea of a collective "Jew plan" is pretty ridiculous considering how many Jews hate other Jews.

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>>2397923
I came here looking for some good discussion and decent arguments with the occasional meme, instead I found a bunch of pseudo intellectuals like you who dodge arguments and claim sources as invalid because they were written by bad goys, all while giving little evidence to support their claims. absolutely fucking disgusting behaviorist on (you)r part

>>2397923

You're complaining about /pol/ when the entirety of K-12 history education is a yearly recital of the evil Nazis heroic Allies meme everyone ingests dutifully

really

>>2397928
I'm not trying to say ALL Jews are part of a global conspiracy, I subscribe to the theory of messianic or Talmudic Judaism, which essentially states that there are Jews who don't believe in the coming of Christ, but rather that they, the "chosen people of God" are the Christ, the savior of all of mankind, and this group seeks dominance over all of mankind through communism and now (what I believe to be) globalism

>>2397932
>I came here looking for some good discussion and decent arguments
You came to spout your half-baked ideology you picked up from browsing /pol/.

>>2397942
no I came here thinking "Gee I bet /His/ has some good insight on history, they might have some good points to bring up about this piece I found on Weimar Germany"
Of course I now know """people""" like you inhabit this board and off we non arguments exclusively

>>2397928
And mixing a radically egalitarian regulated and a radically free market is a consistent set of ideas, right?
And why are the people speaking out for these theories are always as dubious as "Dr Lasha Darkmoon"?

>>2397947
Sorry, meant to cite >>2397940

>>2397947
What point are you trying to make? Not trying to be a twat just need some clarification

>>2397946
>folder on the iphone your mom pays for full of /pol/ memes & infographics
>unabashed antisemitism
>made a thread with your mind already made up to the conclusion (jewish degeneracy lead to hitler)
>refuses to even entertain the possibility that your conviction on the topic you've literally never read anything about besides what you've seen from /pol/ could be wrong
You didn't come for 'insight'. You didn't come to learn something. You wanted to vindicate your prejudices using the historical record as pliable tool.

>>2397946
>www.veteranstoday.com%2F2013%2F09%2F24%2Fsexual-decadence-weimar-germany%2F

You posted this dogshit on /pol/ complete with your le epic secret club echo brackets and posted that shitty infographic that combines the German Revolution with the Sparticist Revolt which implicates a bunch of literally who Jews.

Of course you're going to be treated like shit. You have no arguments from valid sources and you act like a fool. Like most of /pol/ you're not here for "discussion" you're here for people to say "WOW GOOD WORK, OP! TRULY DA JUICE WERE EVIL!"

>>2397946
Is this guy just a shitposter or are people really this stupid?

Please tell me how an account of a nationalist conservative guy from 1920s is a reliable source? Where are his statistics, his studies about the amount of Jews in entertainment industry during the Weimar Republic?
How common was prostitution in Berlin after the hyperinflation?
Was Berlin an exception or did the whole country look like this?
Why were the conservative parties less popular than the socialist ones if people hated the Republic so much?

>>2397964
Then tell me about the sparticist revolt, were the 39/40 Jewish leaders a meme? Serious question

How have I been acting like a fool in this thread?

>>2397969
I'm not claiming that this article has all the answer ms that's why I came here, I wanted more insight on Weimar Germany and what was going on.

Why does the fact that nationalists wrote prices in this article completely invalidate the whole thing?

>>2397970

Oh you mean the Sparticist Revolt which lasted for eleven days and only had two leaders of which only one was Jewish (Luxembourg) and at that an apostate?

>>2397960
That it's two pretty radically different approaches to have. If the Jews think they're "leading the non-Chosen" then it's sort of implied they're leading us in one direction and it doesn't seem like the Leninist tradition - if not, go to your leftypol ultraradical counerparts and ask them what they think of the "neoliberals"

Also, insults aside >>2397969 has a fair point. The anecdotal experience of an author cited by a dubious source isn't evidence that the Jews were the causal element in the "sexual decadence" of Weimar Germany. Hyperinflation and misery are probably more motivating to women who sell themselves than are abstract ideas about sex (not because of the Jews is prostitution, including child prostitution, the "oldest profession")

>>2397980
Wasn't there another revolt shortly after that one which lasted for nine months?

>>2397982
I think Communism was the original vehicle for this Jewish hegemony if the theory is true, but then Stalin purged the lot of them and they stammered branching out into other areas and schemes to create a one world govt. (globalism)
>Jews Weimar etc.
What I had taken away from the article was that Jews were disproportionately involved in pornography, lewd entertainment, and prostitution rings, did hyperinflation lead people to this? Yes, but the Jews most certainly helped push it along, at least that's what the article seems to be hinting at

>>2397999
>stammered
Started

>>2397999
But you know that hyperinflation ended in 1923?

>>2397999
>I think Communism was the original vehicle for this Jewish hegemony
Right, and then the council of the elders of Zion changed their minds completely?

>What I had taken away from the article was that Jews were disproportionately involved in...
Jews also participated in those things that are supposed to be degrading and embarrassing. If this is ill intent toward the goy, you'd think they would have kept their kind out of it. But Jews did participate, as they do today, more in media and intellectual production because, again, they had a centuries long history of education and modest wealth that landed them pretty well for high skilled jobs, finances, and academia. This means most of the people working with cameras, most of the people managing businesses, most of the people writing books (even the now defunct stupid facets of psychology nobody knew better about at the time) and novels, etc. This doesn't mean they were pursuing some sort of agenda any more than the Hollywood Jew pursues an agenda by making 17 Marvel / Star Wars / Batman movies every decade, a profitable enterprise.
It's also important to be careful with wording here, because large groups of Jews were and still are too conservative to even touch that shit. So when we say "the Jews" we can't obfuscate that this wasn't an ethnic group demonstrably acting in coordination, but individuals in environments which favored these professions-as they did to non-Jew burgeois, don't doubt for a moment that the 40 percent of non-Jewish produced films were virtuous pieces of work made by the working class ethnic German. Hence it becomes meaningless to expose "the Jews" any more than you might expose "the burgeois" who were the categorization that best describes people blamed for these things. It solves nothing and creates very obvious political conclusions, which shouldn't automatically invalidate the argument but pose a good question about who and why it's formulated in the first place.

>>2398029
Right but the moral and social decay doesn't just disappear overnight

>>2398029
1924*

Why were the Nazis irrelevant until 1930 if people hated this Jewish degeneracy so much?

>>2398033
The Jews didn't go with communism because, as Stalin would eventually prove, it hurt them in the long run, Communism takes away their one safety net, Wealth

>>2398034
And for some bizarre reason it only disappeared during a time of great financial crisis.

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>>2396446

>>2397923
It's pretty sad that you cannot even refute their arguments.
There seems to be like three people on the entire website who can do more than just strawman and hide behind vague "lol you're an idiot but i won't tell you why" posts.
If you weren't such a fucking worthless retard /pol/ would not be the way it is today.

>>2398033
>not all Jews
See>>2397940
The theory would suggests that Jews like this sort of thing, sexual depravity that is. You can read these books written by Jews, I read one about Vietnam and the guy had a scene in the book where they catch a curt congress masturbating into a river, for no reason

>>2398040
> Communism takes away their one safety net, Wealth
This doesn't need to be proven when communism openly advocates for the abolition of class. You don't turn the country into a Burgeois hating society and then wonder if they'll take your wealth

>>2398048
They don't have any arguments.

>>2398046
What? When?

>>2397820
>your religion was originally a cult offshoot of ethnoreligion of people x
>it claims that people x are special and choosen by god (as customary in ancient religions)
>all your holy books heroes, holy men and even the mother of god are people x
>people x are therefore a source of legitimacy but don't accept your cult even after it successfully gone viral in other populations
>this undermines the whole basis for your claims so you need to discredit the source of legitimacy because either you are wrong about god or people x are now satan

>>2398055
Of course we don't, because if we did you would actually have to put some effort into thinking

>>2398052
>You can read these books written by Jews
I can also read books also written by Jews dispelling most of this nonsense. No Jew speaks for Jews

>>2398063
You do realize Christ comes to John in revelations and tells him something along the lines of how the Jews of the future won't be the Jews of today (2000 years ago) they will be imposters, the synagogue of Satan, right?

>>2398066
I was just using that as an example that they put these lewd sex scenes in literature and film for no good reason

>>2398052
Apparently non-Jews like it a lot too. And it's pretty funny that it was so common in Germany (1% of population were Jews) and not for example in Poland (8% Jews).

>>2398061
1930. The great depression.

1928 elections - 2.6%
1930 elections - 18.25%

>>2398074
I can't dispute the reason or lack thereof cause I haven't read it, but I'm failing to see the connection between the "curt congress" (?) masturbating in a river and the sexual decadence. Like, do you claim this primes people into selling themselves?

>>2398077
The point I'm Make by is that this less than 1% of the populace concentrated itself in areas of entertainment and information and financial influence, grossly disproportionate representation of this demographic as compared to the rest of the nation, isn't that strange?

>>2398088
It's not when you realize that Jews valued education more than other groups.

>>2398071
Proving my point. Yes.

>>2398084
You had originally said that some Jews participated in this decadence themselves, I'm trying to say it's because the Jews generally like this kind of behavior as evident in these prices of literature and film where this behaviorist is casually thrown in for no reason

>>2398094
What point is that then?

>>2398093
Evidence?

>>2398083
Could it be that the social decay was continuing on into the 1930s?

>>2398088
Not in context. They had a unique history in transition from medieval to modern society that put them in positions of educational opportunities and financial influence that put them on the social avant garde. Are you surprised that not a lot of Somalians become prestigious PhDs or great novelists or masters of political sciences or philosophy?

>>2398097
I mean, maybe some Jewish authors did like this kind of behavior at the time. This also coincided with the heyday of Jews like Niels Bohr and Albert Einstein who were far from this- simply put, Jews were at the top strata of society which implies more exposure to "taboo" provocative content, to artistic and social customs of the affluent, and to all of the side effects that a good environment to not grow up a working class proletarian result in.

Bankers are the source of global economic deppression and willfull ignorance is the social divide

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>>2398121
Papa

>>2398115
>I mean, maybe some Jewish authors did like this kind of behavior at the time.
Just "at the time"?

>>2398115
>some Jewish authors
Enough Jewish authors for the Nazis to burn their lewd books

The Lord God reigns supreme and no other. And Jesus is the only true Messiah

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>>2398132
Aye this is true

>>2398130
As if Nazis burning books was a rare sight

>>2398129
I mean, there are still Jews in porn if you're asking. Medieval Jews were probably not writing erotic novels

Madness achieves virtue

>>2398101
No. No one cared about this social decay outside of few right-wing retards. People voted for Nazis because they promised them radical solutions to their problems. And the biggest problem was unemployment, not social decay.

Nobody gives a fuck

>>2398138
>Medieval Jews were probably not writing erotic novels
Most likely only because the majority of goyim at the time were illiterate.

>>2398156
>Most likely only because the majority of goyim at the time were illiterate.
Except the moral developments that made such things acceptable didn't come until after the enlightenment, which was decidedly a European phenomenon.

>>2398145
But social decay was still an issue

>>2398138
Ask yourself what genre of books did the Nazis burn?

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>>2398088
I wonder what insidious plot the pakis have for us, so disportionately representative in our taxi driver industry.

...and all those hungarian slum hotel owners.

...all those black entertainers, comedians, and singers!

...and all those irish policemen, politicians, and bar owners! BY THE GODS!

Though if you wanna go blaming the Jews for being so prevalent in banking - remember that it was white people who enforced that for over a dozen generations, and later hired them to squeeze cash out of Germany, not for Jews, but for other other white people.

Not that any group that identifies itself exclusively by lineage isn't going to spray nepotism all over any sector it enters.

>>2398167
Was it really a European phenomenon? Or was it a (((European))) phenomenon?

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>>2398175
>Hibernian conspiracy
You know too much

Jews are different from all the groups that you mentioned in it that they control the mainstream narrative by owning more than half of US publishing houses and many major media networks

>>2398173
Everything from Karl Marx to Ernest Hemingway.

>>2398179
David Hume, Adam Smith, Hobbes, Locke, Voltaire, Rousseau, Montesquieu, Kant, etc etc etc.
Yes, it was European. As European as the founding fathers

>>2398179
It's the Jews. Europe was truly European only during the Middle Ages. Entertainment, democracy, freedom of speech, capitalism, socialism, mass media are all Jewish tricks. You would be much happier as illiterate peasants working all day on fields. Look how miserable are our lives now.

>>2398195
Karl Marx was a degenerate Jewish neet friendo, helming way was a shitbwriter, can't blame them.

My bad, I thought you meant the liberalization of sex in society not the secularization of govt and individual liberty by your "European phenomenon" my mistake

>>2398167
>Except the moral developments that made such things acceptable didn't come until after the enlightenment
>implying Jews wait for things to be considered "acceptable" before they start selling them to goyim

>>2398203
I agree with this, I want to be Kangz again

>>2398203
I know you're being sarcastic but feudal life was actually pretty cozy, even for the peasants.

>>2398211
>helming way was a shitbwriter
So you're a literary critic too now? How many books did you read last year? I know a lot of avid readers like to keep a list.

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>>2398249
>G.K. Chesterton
Heretics
Orthodoxy
The man who was Thursday
What's wrong with world?
>Tim pat Coogan
Michael Collins the man who made Ireland
>Michael Collins
A path to freedom
>Patrick a Pearse (GOAT in terms of writing)
The coming revolution
Short stories by Patrick Pearse
>Fr.Charles Coughlin
Who is dead, God or Democracy?
>Enoch Powell
No easy answers
>Wilmont Robertson
The dispossessed majority
The Ethno state
>St Patrick
Confessions of st Patrick

In the middle of reading
>encyclical letters of Pope Leo XIII
>The City of God by St. Augustine

>>2398263
Forgot
>The life and times of Andrew Jackson
:^)

>>2398263
do you ever plan on reading anything not recommended by /pol/?

>>2398271
The only one recommended by /pol/ was wilmont robertson, what do you suggest?

>>2398263
You should read some books about Weimar Republic if you want to discuss it.

>>2398278
What books would you reccomend?

I'd love cevto read 200 years together by that Russian fellow (can't spell the name) but it's banned in English translations

>>2396268
>limit Jews to only workbin lewd industries
Those filthy Jews!

>alow only Jews to lend money
Those greedy Jews!

Etc. Etc.

It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic

>>2398280
This is not a book about Weimar Republic.

Germany: The long road west. Vol 1., Winkler
The Weimar Republic: Crisis of Classical Modernity, Peukert
Weimar Culture: the outsider as insider
From Weimar to Auschwitz, Hans Mommsen

>>2396268
wtf I hate the Weimar Republic now

It's just one of those Weimar Republic was bad so the Nazis we're the good guys type of arguments, two wrongs don't make a right etc.etc.

Weimar republic was vastly superior to Nazi Germany

Weimar Republic: Hyper inflation makes people poorer
Nazi Germany: Starvation, whole cities are destroyed

Weimar republic: Some young man are forced to work menial jobs
Nazi Germany: A whole generation of young man freeze to death and die in a war

Weimar republic - Women a bit more liberal, have voluntary sex with German men
Nazi Germany - All women are raped by Russian soldiers

Weimar Republic - it's values last in modern Germany, making it one of the biggest economies in the world
Nazi Germany - a thousand year old reich lasts for 2 decades, becoming the greatest embarrassment in German history

>>2398098
that Christianity had an interest in marginalizing the Jews, and that parts of the bible are written with that intent.

>>2398280
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

>banned
You invent shit as you go right? How is it banned?

>>2397605
>anything that doesn't push my sjw shit is fake news
This is what leftypol legitimately believes

>>2398630
>I will only post shit from stormfag websites because every other legitimate source is biased aginast my snowflake hitler. Who would have thought that this would be your "opinion"

>>2398630
>I'm triggered by someone calling out my sources as unrigorous and false
/pol/lacks and SJWs are literally as thin-skinned as a newborn child.

>>2398425
It's not available in English

>>2398944
Banned an still not translated to English are two different things don't you think? One is usual for many books and the other implies some kind of conspiracy.
It's available in Russian, French and German. Parts are available in English.
Protip, Solzhenitsin is not a stromfag just a bit of a czarist apologist and you won't like his book because he thinks that people should get along.

>>2398962
I'd be curious to read it none the less

My bad on choice of words

>>2396446
>>2398047
You know what I find amazing, that Germany somehow had this ground shaking revolution that changed everything yet nobody died in it.

>>2398997
Source?

>>2398717
>>2398727

>being a "strormfag" is bad
>but being leftypol is fine
Leftists are the physical manifestation of hypocrisy

>>2398994
Solzhenitsin's greatest work for which he is super famous is "Archipelago Gulag" and its is available in any language you like.
In 200 years he goes over the history of jews and russians. His tries to be empathetic to both populations. His point is that problems between the populations were crimes by specific individuals and should not be viewed as a conflict between nations. Both sides should acknowledge both the bad and mostly the good and move on.
Solzhenitsin is a ideologist of compassionate slavic patriotism that tires to be both pan slavic and inclusive. Main criticism of his book that his aim was to write a kind of narrative that both jews and russian nationalists can accept and use as a point of historic reconciliation, and so he cherrypicks the facts a bit. But his meaning was good, he is not a historiographer he is a ethos creator.

>>2399016
>being a "strormfag" is bad
correct, it's a sign of stupidity and inability to comprehend complexity.
>but being leftypol is fine
never said that. You see how you invent arguments supposedly claimed by others so it will be less challenging for you to argue against them? That's because you are stupid. See clause 1.

>>2399027
Sounds good
>>2399033
I'm not a stormfag, but you can't just completely invalidate someone's opinions based on their beliefs

>>2399048
you cannot invalidate someone's opinion because they are a product of their beliefs, but you sure as hell can poke fun at them for being wrong.

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>>2399050
You can't just poke fun at them for being wrong when you don't even explain why they're wrong

>>2399050
>not being a White guilt faggot means you are wrong
Superior leftist logic

>>2399050
Of course you can. Some believes are complex and it's not clear what the actual answer is. Some, however are clinical and can only be held by an idiot.

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>>2399061
And who determines which beliefs are held exclusively by idiots? You? Lol

>>2399056
When you whole "belief" is based on being contrarian to other idiots, using buzzwords, conspiracy theories (because actual mainstream facts would invalidate your beliefs), memming, hive mind approach and deconstructing complex process like nations are one person, all of this is sign of retardation. Not everyone should have an opinion about everything but in modern times they do.

>>2399075
Then why don't you counter these "buzzwords, conspiracy theories,hive mind, and memeing" with actual arguments not just "you're an idiot"?

>>2399082
In regards to the article that started this whole mess of a thread, then I suppose a reasonable counterargument would be that it is biased, sensationalist, conspiratorial, written with an obvious agenda in mind and, as is often the case with antisemitism, assumes a form of unspoken hivemind on part of the Jews for which there is absolutely no proof.

This article is also guilty of completely ignoring context; the 20's, widely known as the roaring Twenties, were a time of "decadent" and provocative art, not only in Weimar Germany but all over the Western world. Painting this as something exclusively Jewish seems either ignorant or disingenious.

Furthermore, I wonder why people on the extreme right are so ready to believe that people can be so easily manipulated by supposed Jewish subversive propaganda. Is this because they themselves are ready to believe practically anything so long as it corresponds with their world view?

>>2399075
>>2399119
Why do leftypol faggots fail to provide any counter arguments?

It's the Jews' fault that I am a 30 year old virgin with gigabytes of blacked.com porn on my flash stick attached to my pocket chain. Weimar Republic was degenerate and Hitler did nothing wrong I don't masturbate to blonde teens impaled by nigger dicks I just use them as an argument against cucks.

>>2397410
this isn't any kind of /pol/. they just get lost and end up here.

>>2399300
>It's the Jews' fault that I am a 30 year old virgin with gigabytes of blacked.com porn on my flash stick attached to my pocket chain. Weimar Republic was degenerate and Hitler did nothing wrong I don't masturbate to blonde teens impaled by nigger dicks I just use them as an argument against cucks.
Why do you white guilt leftypol cucks constantly bring up your interracial fetish in every thread?
>>2399339
/his/ isn't your safe space, leftypol

>mobile poster
>namefag
Wew lads this like redbit

dah joos

>>2397793
>History goes to victor
You don't actually believe this do you? God damn, this is what broke the camels back, these /pol/ boys really are fucking retards.

>>2398263
>G.K. Chesterton
He's got to be trolling? Surely?

>>2399300
Thank god.

>>2399538
>>2399300
Why is the leftypol shill replying to "himself"?

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>>2399556
I am not in fact Bill, but it is a bit amusing that you think so.

And if I'm a "leftypol" shill, what does that make you? Just a regular ol' /pol/ shill?

>>2399571
>the anti white leftypol faggot actually thinks people can't see past "his" awful samefagging

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>>2399593
I mean, I can't exactly convince you that I'm not this Billy man, so ehh, what do?

>Anti-white
Hahaha because I think Chesterton is fucking shit, and don't believe in the most simplified and bullshit way of looking at bias ever conceived by man? Fucking hell.
The only reason to be anti-white is because you are white.

>>2399538
>Hating on Chesterton
Literally why?

Why are people like you such pompous twats?

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>>2399300
Thanks for stealing the name file nigger.
>30 year old virgin
I'm 18 friendo, how's your pathetic life going?

>>2399300
/leftypol/ get out

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>>2399631
>Literally admits he's a teenager
I want to get off Bill's wild ride.

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>>2399624
>Chesterton if fucking shit hahaha
Really good argument there
>most simplified bullshit way of looking at bias
Right "The King of Paradox" is way to over simplied

>>2399638
And that completely invalidates any argument I make against you, doesn't it?

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>>2399629
>Directly contributes to C.S. Lewis' cancer Christianity quotes
What more do you need to know?

>>2399643
>Was more talking the about "victor writes history" nonsense there, actually.

>>2399645
You haven't made any to me, but I see the other guys have done a good job of beating your points about.

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>>2399647
So you're just ass mad because you don't like Christian philosophers, Catholic ones at that?
Why are there so many Brainlets on this board

>>2399653
How have they BTFO my arguments? Show me some examples, all ive been getting are straw mans and ad hominem

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>>2399647
C.S. Lewis was a brilliant and kind man you degenerate. Society is falling apart in the wake of God's death and you somehow think there was no truth to Christianity? No necessity in religion? You're a fool

>>2399654
Yeah, definitely, it's because I don't like your store-brand philosophers.

>>2396268
>Thought you intellectuals would enjoy this peice about Weimar Germany, interesting stuff
It was very interesting.

Putting the obvious right-wing and anti-Semitic bias aside, the parallels between (PIZZAGATE) modern human sexual trafficking and child prostitution in the Weimar are quite obvious.

tl;dr -> Ruling class pedophiles have always existed and need to die in a fire.

>>2399650
Explain to me how the victors DON'T control the narrative of a given event.

>>2399659
>Stored brand philosophers
Look out guys we have an edgy neet who knows how the world works. He doesn't NEED any of the teaching Christianity provides
Fuck outa here

>>2399661
Do you believe in Pizza gate?
Me personally IDK, still on the fence with a lot of it

>ruling class pedophiles have always exsisted
Can I have some examples? I'm curious, I would assume the Romans would be into that shit, but who else?

>>2399662
Narrative is entirely the product of collective choice. The conquered are free to maintain their own counter narrative and often do. Surprisingly enough this counter narrative can easily catch on among the effete children of the conquering elites entirely undoing the narrative structure set by their fathers.

Example: Modern society.

>>2399675
I see your point, but I'm talking about what's taught in school, how it's presented, the "official" story

>>2399662
Because everyone get's to write books. The fingers of every Nazi sympathizer weren't cut off, and historians are taught to look at past events through every source we have, and to deal with whatever bias may be present.
How exactly are the "losers" obstructed from writing history? The Germans in WWI lost, but they aren't vilified for it, and scholarly investigation into the period is balanced and neutral.
I don't know where the saying came from, but it doesn't work.

>>2399682
But the Germans ARE vilified for WWII, and from my own experience in high school it's presented in a very biased way, we spent three days on the actual war and the time period and two full weeks on the holocaust where they talked about how Germans just hated Jews for no reason other than Jews had money during depression.

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>>2399666
I am Christian, and I have a job, is that enough for you?

>>2399697
WWI mate, the Germans are deservedly vilified for the second.

>>2399697
Maybe it's because the Germans launched a genocidal war of conquest.

>>2399698
I don't see why you go out vilifying these Christian philosophers with your arbitrary claims of "they're shit! XD"

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>>2399703
>genocidal war of conquest
Hitler's expansion was retarded, I'll give you that, but I honestly have doubts about the holocaust, not denying that anyone died, they did, but it's blown WAY out of proportion

>>2399706
Mate it was just an off hand remark, I'm sure Chesterton is an entirely respectable man. It was not (in fact!) a personal attack on you and your beliefs.

>>2399701
The Germans were vilified for WWI in the relevant interwar period. WW2 just gave the Germanophobes a more contemporary reason to justify their hatred of the German folk.

>>2399712
>off hand remark
Why make it then? What purpose was it meant to serve? I'm just confused now.

>>2399703
So did the Mongols yet no one treats Genghis Khan's name like a taboo.

>>2399722
Yea, the holdomor and Bolshevik gulags are not talked of in the same manner either

>>2399711
>but I honestly have doubts about the holocaust, not denying that anyone died, they did, but it's blown WAY out of proportion

Spoiler, it's not. Look into it a bit. Just from the amount of people who simply weren't to be found after WWII, we can be sure at least about 3.5 million Jews died. Afterwords, historians have used German records to prove that the total amount of JEWS (not counting other undesirables killed) who were killed is about 5-6 million.

There are people much smarter, and better educated than you and me, who've figured this stuff out.

>>2399711
12 million civilians methodically shot, gassed, worked, and starved to death. That doesn't even count the other civilian deaths caused by Germany's war machine. How the heck is that out of proportion?

>>2399733
What about that Israeli who recently came forward and said that he was the one who came up with the 5 million dead non Jews number in order to garner support from gentiles?

Why were the only death camps the ones that were inspected by the soviets?

Anne frank's farther allegedly avoided the gas chamber because he fell ill and was HOSPITALIZED if the Germans really wanted to just kill him why wouldn't they just leave him to die?

>>2399715
>The Germans were vilified for WWI in the relevant interwar period

And this should be enough to prove that nationalism is evidently a fruitless effort. The people of France and Britain felt Germany should be "punished" for what they did, and that was a major mistake.
Today, there are books written from both points of view, and the "victors" did not get to "write the history", and they rarely do.

>>2399739
There was an Israeli who recently came forward saying he made up the 5 million dead gentiles number, it was something more like 500 thousand.
He said he did this so he could get more sympathy from non Jews towards the holocaust. If they are willing to lie about 5 million dead non Jews what would stop them from exaggerating 6 million dead Jews?

>>2399758
I'd like a source on that.

>>2399763
http://www.jta.org/2017/01/31/news-opinion/united-states/remember-the-11-million-why-an-inflated-victims-tally-irks-holocaust-historians

>>2399751
>What about that Israeli who recently came forward and said that he was the one who came up with the 5 million dead non Jews number in order to garner support from gentiles?

You'll be surprised to find that historians don't just believe in that amount because some guy came out and said it one day. Research is constantly being done, and there aren't any scholars out there relying on a single witness for evidence, especially not for such an important claim.
As I said, the number has been deduced from German records, and the sheer amount of missing people.

>Why were the only death camps the ones that were inspected by the soviets?
Guess where the Jews were located, guess were the Slavs were located, guess were the unimaginably large amount of Soviet POWs were located.
They're still there you know, you can go "inspect them" for yourself. (But please don't pull a Leuchter)

>Anne frank's farther allegedly avoided the gas chamber because he fell ill and was HOSPITALIZED if the Germans really wanted to just kill him why wouldn't they just leave him to die?
You don't actually believe this, do you? Please tell me where you've heard this.
He wasn't spared the chambers because of being sick, but likely because of being able to work. (not everyone was killed at Auschwitz, Birkenau was the death camp)
He was however in the sick area when he was liberated, but that was months after the first selections were done.

>>2399768
Learn something new everyday.

I find that unfortunate. However, I am heartened that serious Holocaust scholars are/were already aware of it and have been trying to change public perception.

As opposed to deniers who try to use it to discredit the idea entirely.

>>2399772
The design of the gas chambers makes no sense, completely inefficient, very uncharacteristic of the Germans

>>2399780
I'm not trying to say it didn't happen, just that it's taken out of proportion, as this case shows

>>2399783
>Efficient Germans meme
They were not efficient.
Show me what you mean by "makes no sense".

>>2399751
So if Milo says something that must stand for all Jews?

The complaint was that the criteria for inclusion in the holocaust was considered arbitrary by that guy. Those people did die. He felt only Jews should be included in the Holocaust because it's a Jewish word. Supposedly, the Jewish scholar in question created his own criteria to include another 5 million non-Jewish civilian deaths. Supposedly the criteria was to get to the 5 million number and arbitrary.

If you've actually read about the final solution, you'd realize it started when the Germans were expanding eastward and conquering areas with Jews. Germany had driven out most of their Jewry from the German heartland. It's perfectly reasonable that concentration/death camps would be in Poland, near Russia.

This seems like the /pol/ tactic where you start with points that are easily googleable, but still misrepresented, then start escalating your claims further down the list.

It's not that those 5 million death's were made up. It's that some Jew questioned whether they should be included in the Holocaust, and that the selection criteria might have been designed to reach a specific number.

>>2399788
They still murdered 5-6 million Jews, 3 million Soviet POWs, 2-3 million Poles, plus millions of civilians in occupied territories.

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>>2399790
>makes no sense
The floor plan of the gas chambers shows the door opening inwards, were if the room was filled with dead bodies it would not be able to open.
It's Also designed ina strange way, very long and narrow, and under ground, meaning that these bodies would then have to be taken upstairs to the ovens, poor design
It would make more sense if the gas chambers were really body Cellers for dead inmates, as it is labeled on the floor plan.

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>>2399791
What does that gay kike Milo have to do with it?

I think Russia would have a lot to gain by shifting attention to "German death camps" and away from their own gulags which had killed millions more by that time

>>2399852
>what about that jew who said

>>2399872
You didn't see the link? Here>>2399768

>>2399877
Stop being retarded. You already got your response to what that one Jew said, and just because one Jew says something doesn't make it an amazing revelation. There are Jews that say there were human lampshades too. Even these things need a proper context, and the Nazis liked to circulate these rumors, true or not, to keep the inmates in a state of terror.

>>2399672
Greeks and their boys
Muslims - Muhammad and his many child brides
Catholic Church

etc. etc. etc.

>>2399899
Oh, and Muslims in the Pashtun with their boy toys, etc.

>>2399899
>>2399904
Those aren't elitist rings tho, Catholic Church, I'll give you that one, but green and Muslim are just "cultural"

>>2399897
How am I saying this one guy represents all Jews?

>>2399768
Oh for Christ's sake, you stupid yids just removed the chief obstacle impeding my consideration of Holocaust denial.

>Greatly exaggerated? Why would the Germans kill more gentiles than jews? That's silly, the Nazis hated Jews!

>h-he he, t-turns out we made up the whole 5 million non-Jews number goy. >No hard feelings right? Remember the Holocaust is still the most important event of the 20th century!
Stupid fucking yids.

>>2399935
By saying he speaks for the claim of the 5 million. He does not. The researchers who figured that out do.

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>>2399938
Welcome kommraden

>>2399768
>There seems to absolutely no source as to what Yehuda Bauer supposedly said, in that article, or did I miss it? Looking over his wikipedia, and on the JVL, it doesn't say anything about such controversial statements. So how do they know he claims theses things?

>>2399836
Which floor plan? Because there were at least few. In fact the newer ones show them opening outward.

>>2400009
>newer ones
Like the ones that were being planned for construction? Just clarification
I believe I'm referencing crematorium number two at birkenau, not sure tho

>>2399938
Welcome to historically illiterate club. Enjoy your stay.

>>2400033
>he came to a different conclusion than me! I must be smarter than him, so I'll just call him an idiot!
Get the dick out of your ass schlomo

>>2400022
Yes, you are referring to a drawing from 1941. I'm talking about a drawing from 1942 (Pressac drawing 2003).

>>2400052
Ok, that's interesting then, but I think the door is a small factor, the weird design of the gas chamber itself is what really perplexes me

>>2400066
But killing Poles who helped the Jews was perfectly normal? Apparently helping a Jew was a bigger crime than being a Jew. Makes sense.

>>2400086
Yes it makes perfect sense that people who disobey a conquering force whilst being under martial law would be treated harshly for commiting an infraction of the newly imposed law

>>2400099
But why they wanted those Jews so much if they were willing to murder entire families for hiding them? Were those Jewish children that dangerous?

>>2400134
What? Can I get a source on that

>>2400139
Jozef and Wiktor Ulma

>>2400160
Go on

>>2400173
They are the most known, but there were others, Dworak family, Wolyniec family. Sometimes they destroyed entire villages

/pol/
with
dates

>>2400139
I get sick of people like you. You people worship Hitler as some saviour of "white" race, and yet Germans murdered polish people since day one of occupation. In General Governement there were random hangings, people where taken from the streets and shot by fireing squads for sole crime of being slav. Women were being raped about 10-12 times a then shot. Germans killed 39% of polish doctors, 33% of teachers, 30% of university workers, 28% of catholic clergy, and 26% of lawyers. About 200 000 to 300 000 polish children that displayed "nordic-teutonic racial traits" were kinaped and germanised. According to Himmler 90% of polish nation were to be physically exterminated and rest reduced to sterile slave-race that were to build all the Reich great projects. 5 milion ethnic Poles were killed in war world II directly as a result of german occupation and clearing land for germanic Lebensraum. Nazi worship is to worship literal human monsters and morally abhorent "people". Nazi mind parasite isn't that all suprising when you reveal that is just monument of gemanic byantine civilaztion strain, since the days of Teutonic Order.
t. Obviously butthurt Pole who had enough with /pol/ retardation

>>2400284
This entire thread is a joke. It's just some retarded /pol/tard who knows nothing about the Nazis or Germany's history.

>>2400284
ps. source: my family history.
Some members of my grandmother family were murdered for hiding jewish children, the other half were murdered with axes and burned by ukrainian Bandera lead fascist. My grandfather by the father side was forced to slave work in Ammo factory in Koeningsberg, two brothers of my fathers mother were killed by firing squads.

>>2400284
>poles
>people

http://imgur.com/gallery/725A7

refute this, nazi scum

protip: you can't

>>2400284
I don't wirship Hitler, his theories on anthropology and race were retarded, he's not completely innocent. I never said such a thing

>>2400422
What about it? They're being sent off to concentration camps in not denying that

>>2400230
Ok, I don't think it's right, its war. I'm not here to say that the Nazis were innocent in everything they did, they probably did do bad shit like this

>>2400443

>nazi scum responds to things without even reading them

What a surprise.

>>2400458
Thought it was just the picture hang on nigger

>>2400458
I'm not reading that shit just give me a quick summary

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>teenager gets brainwashed by /pol/

This is actually kind of sad.

Bill, I have some legitimate advice for you. Just get off of 4chan and go outside. You can become a well-adjusted human being, just stop visiting internet echo chambers. I know you're just going through a rebellious phase like most teenagers do, it's completely normal, but you're going to fuck yourself up in the long run if you keep this shit up.

You can still stop all of this. Do it now before it's too late.

>>2400435
And yet what you have shown so far is hitlerism apologism. Listen, everbody fucking knows about usury, sabatean kabalists, Jakob Frank and his wife-swooping occult sect, everyone knows about jewish involvment in early bolsheviks and their number in NKVD, everyone knows about Rothschilds. You don't have to align yourself to this sad germanic-hitlerist mind virus to name jewish wrongs.

Things /pol/ will never tell you is that authentic intellectual academic left in Europe, especially in France were first to criticise Israel crimes against Palestinian people

>>2400516
>being this mad that people aren't believing your leftypol propaganda

>>2400527
I don't see ALL Jews as being part of a conspiracy just the elite ones, see:
>>2397940

>>2400317
Aww, I weep for your lack of sources

>>2400711
not the anon but how is being brainwashed by some cherrypicked infographs any better? I like /pol/ but too many people there simply latch onto any pics/stats that are thrown at them without checking for themselves