Was the Gulf War justified?

yeah

>>2396208
Absotootly

Which one

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>>2396208
>>2396468

Gulf War I was justified (invade foreign country, UN says get the fuck out, don't get out, get bombed, etc.), presuming you believe the official story.

Gulf War II aka the Iraq War was almost completely unjustified legally, but albeit it was the inevitable result of the first war. One should keep in mind that the U.S. never formally concluded hostilities with Saddam's regime and had an on and off air and ground war going on in Kurdistan throughout the 90s. Even if the events of 9/11 had never transpired and George W. Bush was unable to amass the public support for an all-out invasion of Iraq, Saddam's already weakened regime would have likely collapsed by early-2010s (Arab Spring), and we would be finding ourselves being pulled into the same mess we are in now.

Must have been hot in all of that gear.

>>2396208
>Gulf War I
Kuwait steals oil from Iraq, Iraq attacks them for it, USA goes full retard and start bombing Iraq, promise to help the Shiites of Basra if they revolt, then does nothing and they get massacred by Saddam.

>Gulf War II
Dude WMD lmao

>>2398631

>Kuwait and Saudi Arabia lend millions of dollars to Saddam

>"okay saddam, please pay us back"

>"no, I dont have the money"

>"okay, we will take your oil instead"

>"REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

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>>2396208
>>2398598
>you will never operate inna Gulf wars
JUST

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>>2398676

>>2396208
I was involved in the Gulf war in 1990. I was in the Royal Air Force. I was based in Dhahran in Saudi Arabia. I was a pilot on Tornado GR4 aircraft. My job was ground attack. Specifically airfield denial. I flew in low and pushed out a JP233 cluster munition. It fucked up the runway.
Also to patrol the southern airspace in Iraq. To provide air superiority for the ground forces to move in. I also got target indication from SF on the ground. It could be a laser designator or direct RT instructions. War is a shit. I have some regrets about what I did, but I had to protect ground units and cause maximum damage to the enemy.

Was it justified? No. Certainly not. It was an unnecessary bloodbath. Arabs have a very different culture to us. They need a strongman to control them. Taking out Saddam and Ghaddafi resulted in chaos. We should leave them to their tribal culture and not interfere. They know that the West can ruin them. So they'll stay in line with subtle diplomacy and threats.
The west must take a really hard line with Saudi Arabia. They fund terrorist scholls all over the world. My country (UK) sells them advanced weapon systems. We can get oil from the North Sea, Canada and Russia. Fuck the Saudis.

>>2398759
*schools called 'madrassas'. Forgive my typing.

>>2398598
The first Gulf War wad between Iram and Irap between 1980 and 1988 you uneducated namefag.

>>2398641
Iraq fought for 8 years to protect kuwait and the gulf countries from iran eating them up. The gulf countries paid in money, iraq paid in blood. Kuwaitis were being stingy jews.

>>2396208
kuwait is legit iraqi territory that got stolen by the british when iraq was under ottoman occupation and the british put the al sabah puppet rulers in charge. in 1938, kuwaiti parliament democratically voted to join iraq and the british dissolved the parliament. Ordinary kuwaitis and poorer foreign workers, and especially the bidoun kuwaitis, all were much better off under iraqi rule because saddam's iraq actually had more civil rights than the feudalistic monarchy of the emir, but the wealthy elite and ruling family ran a brilliant campaign to make the UN feel sorry for them and convince them that kuwait was better off under their absolute monarchial dictatorship.

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>>2396208
No, the US is an Evil Empire.

>>2396208
Yes it was. Saddam had the potential to invade Saudi Arabia if we didn't stop him in Kuwait and he would've used the tool of oil to extort the Free World.

Iraq II was also justified. Even in the absence of WMD (which was a false lie spread by the liberal media to discredit Bush and the war effort), there was still an objective case to be made to topple Saddam. Leaving him in power risked a regional arms race that would've engulfed Israel, Iran, and the Gulf Arabs.

>>2398759
How exactly was Saddam keeping anyone in line by saber rattling and invading his neighbors? I can understand this argument for other leaders, like Assad, Gaddafi, the Shah, Sisi, but for Saddam it really doesn't seem to hold up.

>>2398759
Also, I'm no fan of Saudi Arabia, but the House of Saud is the only thing keeping down the ambitions of the likes of bin Ladens. They aren't perfect by any measure, but if you're willing to accept authoritarian leaders in the Middle East then the Saudis are probably the best example of this. Like >40% of the Saudi population is Wahhabi, it sucks that they fund Madrasas, but Madrasas are less harmful than arms races, chemical weapons, and being the largest state sponsor of terror (in the case of Iran, the other two refer to Iraq).

>>2399369
*Funds ISIS*

>>2399375
Did you miss the "I'm no fan of Saudi Arabia?" ISIS is bad, no doubt, but they have a limited reach. They've been on the run since Russia partnered with the Assad regime and overall pose little to no existential threat to the United States. They're a mild annoyance at most. They'll do attacks like the San Francisco attacks or the Paris bombings, but at no point have they threatened the supremacy of the West.

Iran's nuclear ambitions and Iraq's former ambitions would've posed a threat in that regard. Had Saddam been allowed to take over Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, he would've had control over massive oil reserves and been able to blackmail the West. Should Iran be allowed to obtain a nuclear weapon, they would become North Korea-tier untouchable.

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Really makes you think.

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>>2396208
>Bombs Cradle of Civilisation into the stone age because of Oil
>Supports and funds insane artifact destroyng Jihadist neck cutters troughout the Middle East

>We're totally the goodguys, guys

>>2399394
>North Korea-tier untouchable.
Iran is nothing like North Korea. The fact is if you want to be taken seriously in global politics you need a nuclear weapon. Who created that world order? It certainly wasn't Iran

>>2399456
So you think that a country controlled by a council of fanatic Ayatollahs with no concern for the material world and a literal branch of their army dedicated to aiding radical Islamic terrorists should be allowed to obtain nuclear weapons and receive global legitimacy?

>>2399455
>implying a bunch of sand monkeys should be allowed to hold our economies hostage because of the events of 1000 years ago

>>2399461
>should be allowed
It's not my job to come up with global policy. So let's say Iran "shouldn't be allowed" to develop nuclear weapons. Who enforces that? What's the penalty if they do? What justification does that party have to interfere with another nation's sovereignty? We "allowed" fucking Pakistan have nuclear weapons

>>2396208

>fighting to help Kuwait and Saudi Arabia
>justified

Iraq could have been our best fucking friend in the region, but muh sheiks, fuck America

>>2399363
He needed to exert the strong man image to maintain control of internal politics and build legitimacy by defending Iraq from its geopolitical and ideological enemies.

>>2396208
Certainly not. First the US and the UK prop up a despot in Iran that is so horrible the people rather have a religious extremist in power. Why did they do that? The democratically elected president of Iran dared to nationalize his oil wells. Then the US prop up another despot to fight the Iranian cleric. Thus Iraq is bled dry. Next despot no 2 wants to consolidate his position by acquiring a tiny bit of territory but his former allie, the US, fuck him over and tell him he cannot just invade neighbours. He may only invade neighbours the US approve of. Thus not only the war machinery of the US and their lapdog the UK is rolling in for the Grand Theft Oil but also sanctions are set in place that cost hundreds of thousands people's lives. Now a functioning country with a broad middle class, a high standard of education and living is reverted to Stone Age. Additionally the huge army propped up by the US is set on the streets without a job or pension. All these people have left are their religion and families. Guess where ISIS comes from.
That's Western Values for y'all.

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>>2396208
Absolutely NOT . Kuwait is an Artificial State by Britain to cuck Iraq out of the Persian Gulf.

Can someone explain why the West always stops us from anschluss-ing and removing these meme-states.

>>2399546
>WAAAAAHHH WHY DID YOU STOP SADDAM FROM ANNEXING KUWAIT AMERICA IS SOOOO MEEEEEEEEAAAAAN!!!!! :(
Fuck off, idiot.

>>2399535
Why would we want to be closer to Saddam than the Saud's? Why would we ever choose Saddam over the Gulf States? Are you fucking retarded?

>>2399765
Yeah right, it"s about good and evil and especially about Kuwait. That"s why the daughter of Kuwait"s ambassador posed as a nurse and lied to the UN about babies being smashed by Iraqi soldiers.
>nooooo, we're the good guys.

>>2399535
There are 2 countries we need to be friends with in the region the rest are ancillary.

>>2399781
I don't care about that. We had no good reason to let Saddam annex Kuwait. He was an unstable asshole. He should've kept his ass in line and not bit the hand that fed him. Instead he ended up on the end of a rope.

>>2398598

Would the Arab Spring have happened without the Iraq War though?

>>2399801
Yeah I get it, your attention span is reduced to 140 characters.
Who put Saddam in place and made him have one of the biggest militaries in the world again?

>Reminder that Saddam Hussein went 0-3 in war
>Reminder that every single war he started was a resource war
>Reminder that he did worse at ethnically cleansing the Kurds than a bunch of disorganized starving islamists.
>Reminder that he was still the best leader Iraq ever had

>>2399816
Like the Arab Spring was a good thing. As per usual, the Middle East an now also Europ pay the prize for Anglo shenanigans.

>>2398598
>the same mess we are in now
Doubtful, Saddam kept Islamists out. Without Islamists in Iraq the Arab Spring stays secular in the Arab world and we end up with a much cleaner civil war.

>>2399840
>Europ pay the prize for Anglo shenanigans.
Has there ever been a time in history where the US, Britain or Australia actually had to pay a social, economic or major physical toll for all the horrible things we have collectively done in the last 300 years?

>>2399816
Probably.

I doubt it would have been as large

US and friends shenanigans in the Middle East are the worst foreign policy fuckups since Vietnam. At least the Soviets in Afghanistan had a clear end goal. We're just there because the CIA and hawks have autism towards the region

>>2399855
U.S. kind of fucked itself from the start with the whole slave thing.

>>2399855
The worst thing Australians ever did was introduce Abos to petrol no idea why you included them in the fold.

>>2399855
Britain is on its unwashed knees already. All that keeps them together is the hubris and populistic bs as an illusio of self determination. We'll see how that pans out.
The population of the US is too retarded to actually notice there's something wrong. Case in point: >>2399801 >we had no good reason.
Reason is what this whole fucking country lacks. At least they got the president they deserve. The corporations are the actual government. For the past 100 years they've been meddling with European and Middle Eastern affairs.
Why don't people wake up and notice that the conflict is rich vs. poor and not christian vs. muslims or brown vs. white?

>>2399868
>Why don't people wake up and notice that the conflict is rich vs. poor and not christian vs. muslims or brown vs. white?
t. Bernie Sanders

I never understood how America justified invading Iraq because a bunch of Saudi attacked the twin towers?

>>2399885
Well to begin with you have to understand that US-Iraq relations didn't start on 9/11.

>>2399879
Sanders would've sold out even harder than Obama. If a US president cannot even close a concentration camp of his own country, who actually is on power

>>2399892
I know but didn't they invade Iraq soon afterwards and use the attack as an excuse, I was young at the time so my memory is hazy.

>>2399903
/his/ answer: yes

Long answer: indirectly, but yes

>>2399903
Actually they justified it with a lie about Weapons of Mass Destruction. Most of the retarded US population is still convinced though that it had to do with 9/11. That might come from the war criminal Donald Rumsfeld stating a few hours after 9/11 that it would be in his interest to hit Saddam.

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>>2399820
Reminder that he was supplied and supported by the US in his wars

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>>2399903
It wasn't so much the attack, which the US had intelligence was most likely not directly committed by Iraq but rather the terrorists had some Iraqi backers, but the Iraqis reportedly buying up arms (aluminum tubing and yellowcake uranium) with which to make WMDs, which we took as a threat of increased attacks against us.

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>In the Nu Era you need moral justification to invade a weaker (and despotic) state to secure resources or control

this is the worst time period

for what it's worth Hussein was tyrannical as fuck and genocided to boot, how does that not qualify enough for the Moral Brigade

that's right it's only valid when done by a leftist

>>2399980
What are you arguing exactly?

>>2399980
burger detected. Getting problems with your country's bigotry?
Moral justification is another box of Pandora the US opened with their ex-post facto Nuremburg Trials excluding their own and other allies' war crimes.

>>2399984

Hussein was a willing thorn in America's side, a despot, and we had something to gain from removing him to boot, so that's all the "justification" a superpower needs to exact their will

>>2400000
What a waste

>>2400004
Ok but couldn't Hussein use the same exact justification to invade Kuwait or ethnically cleanse some Kurds?

>>2399984
He's a neocon and supports Preemptive War because of masculinity crisis.

>>2400012

He can try, and he'll get turbofucked by us because Kuwait is our buddy

welcome to geopolitics

>>2399868
>Why don't people wake up and notice that the conflict is rich vs. poor and not christian vs. muslims or brown vs. white?

Rich people go around in expensive cars and play golf. Muslims kill random people for no reason and brown people rape, steal, and murder at a disproportionate rate.

Are you truly so materialistic that you consider someone having a bigger house than you a greater injustice than someone threatening your life and safety?

>>2400019
You still haven't got it. There are no buddies. Saddam was your buddy before, too.

>>2400030

I didn't mean it in a sense other than ally

don't be autistic

>>2400028
And in which world outside of /pol/ does that happen?
Please go and google the casualties inflicted by the US military and US sanctions for say the past 25 years.
>hur durr, we are the good guys

>>2400039
Saddam was you fucking ally before.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r42oejmpkgw

>>2400057

I'm aware. Alliances constantly shift. They aren't real friendships, they are agreements predicated on strategic accord.

>>2399868
>Why don't people wake up and notice that the conflict is rich vs. poor and not christian vs. muslims or brown vs. white?
t. Fucking Commie

>>2400043

What? Seriously can you put some effort into making a coherent post? Are you saying Islamic terrorism doesn't exist and is invented by /pol/? Are you saying my government's crime rates are put online by /pol/ hackers?

I have no idea what your last 2 sentences even have to do with what we are discussing.

>>2399896
>Implying Obama wanted to close Guantanamo

>>2400070
Actually I'm more of a social democrat. But that's a concept that cannot be explained in 140 characters, so yes, I'm a fucking Commie. As was Hitler btw.
>>2400028
http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-has-killed-more-than-20-million-people-in-37-victim-nations-since-world-war-ii/5492051
First thing I found. But yeah. terrorism is really a big problem. Until recently it wasn't even a problem in Europe until the latest interventions unleashed a brown exodus towards Europe.
20 million people have died for US interests since WW2. Whaaa muh Kuwait!

>>2400028
>For the past 100 years they've been meddling with European and Middle Eastern affairs
Can /pol/ please leave.

>>2400102
What I am saying is: Islamic Terrorism is a scapegoat that replaced the fear of communism which replaced the fear of Nazism.
The victims of Islamic terrorism are very few when compared to the victims of the US and their lapdogs.

>>2400105
>Actually I'm more of a...
You're a fucking commie. "Social Democrats" are just the foot in the door for the eventual revolution.

>>2399929
Pretty sure that the governement did told that it was retaliation for 9/11

>>2400105

My life has never been in danger from rich people. On the other hand terrorism poses a direct threat to my life, and crime from brown people poses a direct threat to my safety.

I have no idea why you insist on talking about the US military and their death toll.

>>2400110

You're the same poster I'm assuming considering this post is again completely incoherent and I have no idea what you are trying to argue.

>>2400110
I am quoting George Friedman of Stratfor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFmfwqzWmHk

>>2400130
How has your life been in danger from muslims or blacks? Are you a poart of the military? Do you live in a ghetto?
And no, >>2400110 is not me.

>>2400115

Oh so it was a scapegoat that shot my friend and left him to bleed out on the floor of a cafe next to his already dead sister.

Here I was under the impression it was a Muslim terrorist...

Yes.

>>2400105
>Until recently it wasn't even a problem in Europe until the latest interventions unleashed a brown exodus towards Europe.
Yes let us completely forget the nearly weekly bombings of night clubs from eastern europeans after the USSR fell.

>>2400125
That's what I meant. You are not able to grasp the concept, why bother.

>>2400138

Yes it has.

>>2400145
Er what? Sauce please? The only club bombing I remember was the La Belle in Berlin which was a club frequented by yankees.

>>2400147
How so, elaborate. "How" is an open question. An answer with just yes or no does not work.

>>2400156

I live in a city that has endured several terrorist attacks and frequent night clubs that have been and are targets for terrorist attacks. I also am at risk of crime, which is disproportionately committed by brown people.

Why do you insist on anecdotal evidence though? Why don't you instead try to refute the facts already before you?

>>2400152
The ETA in Spain would be a big example of constant terrorism but that was mostly in Spain and in the 70s and 80s and other terrorist attacks in Europe were mostly by anarchists and other groups. I may have made too big of a claim there. Either way check the terrorism in Europe wiki.

>>2400179
Which facts? I hear your claims and want to show how much of an emotional thing this is. You personally feel threatened. I get that. How is that worse than the 20 million dead the US have caused since 1945?
The only reason I could half heartedly accept would be that you live in Israel.

>>2400186
I refer you to Daniele Ganser's study about NATO sponsored terrorism. https://www.danieleganser.ch/natos_secret_armies_1211363645.html
Even a noticable part of that was "the West's" doing as this study says.

>>2400191

You're again going off on an unrelated tangent, as you try to do in every single post you make.
You claimed that I was at risk from rich people, not from muslim or brown people. I clearly explained why that is nonsense.

Just to reiterate: I DONT GIVE A FUCK about your obsession with the US military and what they do.

>>2400191
>You personally feel threatened.

No, I personally AM threatened. I AM currently at risk. Its not emotional, its factual. I suggest you open the dictionary and look up the definitions of 'risk' and 'threat'.

>>2400243
>going off on an unrelated tangent
Aw man. I'm sorry you don't follow. If you don't give a fuck about what caused the current mess, why bother talking to me.

>>2400264

What a great attempt at diverting away attention from the fact that your original claim was retarded and you got btfo by multiple people.

>>2400272
"Was the Gulf War justified" that's the thread's topic. My answer is still no, none of them. My original claim was showing how the US are responsible for the mess that is the Middle East and islamic terrorism.

>>2400283

Nah mate, your original claim we were discussing was:

>Why don't people wake up and notice that the conflict is rich vs. poor and not christian vs. muslims or brown vs. white?

and you bloody well know it. Since you've given up all pretense at this point, I'm going to stop replying.

>My original claim was showing how the US are responsible for the mess that is the Middle East and islamic terrorism.

How very condescending to claim that these people can not act or think for themselves.

>>2400300
If that's what triggered you in this thread so be it. My original post in this thread is here: >>2399546

the only justification anglos are giving is that it was fun. Further arguments with them are pointless. It would be much more fruitful to post information guys.

>>2396208
the weak fear the strong

>>2399455
>bombs the stone age into the stone age

>>2399980

They are LITERALLY arguing the same thing against Assad now. Democrats really are pure dog shit

>>2400305
I'm amazed anyone would admit to writing that.

>>2398796

No, that's the Iran-Iraq War you stupid nigger

>>2399841

Except Assad's tried do the same thing and his country is still embroiled in a religious civil war dominated by Islamists.

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>>2400130
Post being a fucking retard, it isnt about rich/poor individuals, its about rich/poor nation states, meaning strong/weak military.
USA can invade any country in the world with its resources while Sweden cant defend itself one week from russia attack.
USA can do shit like invade iraq and murder everyone because of resources iraq doesnt have, why the fuck do you think nations dont attack USA?
Because they cant...

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>>2401316
Because the US keeps supplying Jihadists with arms.

Just on it's own, within a time span of ONE year my small country(Croatia) according to the instructions of the US sold 100 million $ worth of arms and munitions to the jihadists via Wahabbist Saudi Arabia proxy.

>>2400140
>The victims of Islamic terrorism are very few when compared to the victims of the US and their lapdogs.

>oh so it was .... that bombed my village and killed my cousin ahmed and his wifes whole bloodline

>>2396208

>Iraq was being a dick .
>Less than 200 Americans KIA compared to 30,000 Iraqis.
>Most of the cost of the invasion paid by Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.
>Pretty much destroyed Iraqi's capability to be on the offensive for about 10 years in terms of equipment and effective manpower losses.
>No costly, lengthy occupation of Iraq.
>Kuwaitis loved Americans.

Hell to the fucking yeah.
>

>>2399502
The United States Armed Forces enforces that policy and our justification is preventing nuclear armageddon.

Are you fucking daft?

>>2399542
I get that he's a strong man, but in no way was he a stable strongman. He was in no way comparable to people like Assad. He was unstable and in no way did he deserve American interests nor those of the Free World.

>>2403738
USA! USA!
>that's why North Korea is occupied by the US right?

>>2403748
We attack Iran's nuclear facilities if they try to develop a nuclear weapon to prevent having states like Pakistan or north korea being repeated.

>>2403753
and Israel's

>>2403758
Israel serves the interests of United States foreign policy and is morally justified in owning its land.

They don't chant death to America in Tel Aviv

>>2403753
do you actually believe that? I mean that the biggest warmonger in history is "fighting for justice"?

>>2403773
>"the biggest warmonger in history"

War solved Hitler

>>2403738
>our justification is preventing nuclear armageddon.
Is that why the USA is best buddies with Pakistan and Israel?

>>2403780
>>2403780
>Pakistan
Pakistan is a complicated situation. We should've prevented them getting nukes but the context of the Cold War was different. Today, disarming the Pakistani government risks nukes getting into the hands of the Taliban because of the Pakistani deep state. The whole point of preventing Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons is to prevent another Pakistan situation, except on steroids. Iran is controlled by a circle of Islamist radical Ayatollahs, whereas Pakistan at least makes an attempt at being a democracy.

Israel is a US ally and a civilized country. In no way is it comparable to Pakistan or Iran in this context, you might as well compare it to England.

>>2403777
Hitler started exactly one war. The US have been at war for most of their existance. Hitler is such a good scapegoat he'd have to be invented if it hadn't happened.

>>2403786
Jus bellum iustum you fucking cuck

>>2403784
>We should've prevented them getting nukes but the context of the Cold War was different.
Then you need to concede that the goal is nothing as noble as preventing nuclear war. The goal is enforcing US hegemony worldwide.

> except on steroids
How exactly?
What does Iran do that Pakistan doesn't besides not like America?
Not to mention Pakistan is constantly getting into shit with India that could easily escalate into nuclear war and almost has historically. Whereas Iran thus far has only fought wars to defend themselves or their allies. Including right now where they're fighting ISIS, a mess that the US made. So don't act as if Iran is a hotbed of terrorism without realizing the irony of that idea.

>Israel is a US ally and a civilized country.
Civilized countries don't bomb civilian targets into rubble then call international investigators anti-Semitic when they point out there were no bombs inside.

>>2403794
alright. which war after 1945 the Yankees fought was just?

>>2403808
>nothing as noble as preventing nuclear war

But it is. Addressing your first and second points, there is a difference between Pakistan and Iran. Pakistan isn't perfect, but they're nowhere near as bad as Iran. Do you think that chanting "Death to America, death to Israel" shit is a joke? Just because we made a mistake in the 50s doesn't mean we should have to repeat that mistake.

Call it "enforcing US hegemony," but I'd honestly feel a lot better if we didn't have to pay $200/bbl and $20/gallon and live under constant nuclear threat all because some cucks wanted Mahmoud to feel special.

Iran is the largest state sponsor of terrorism today. Hezbollah has a great rocket arsenal than the entirety of NATO, excluding the US, combined.

Just because I don't want us launching Operation Paki Freedom doesn't mean I'm pro-Pakistan. We should be pressuring their government to go after the Taliban and reduce our foreign aid to them, but we can't just steamroll them and expect WMD to not fall into the hands of insurgents.

>don't bomb civilian targets into rubble
Arabs have invaded Israel three times and gotten their asses handed to them. Jordan is a Palestinian state (>70% Palestinian). Arabs have representation in the Knesset through Joint List and work with other parties like Labor and Yesh Atid. Don't act like they're the fucking Empire from Star Wars all because they don't suck Muhammad's cock like you do

>>2403824
>Korea
Stopping the spread of communism
>Vietnam
Stopping the spread of communism
>Grenada
Stopping the spread of communism
>Lebanon
Peacekeeping force
>Panama
Defending American lives and stopping drug trafficking
>Gulf War
Stopping an Iraqi madman from steamrolling the Middle East and using weapons of mass destruction to threaten the rest of the world
>Iraq War
Prevented a four ways arms race between Gulf Arabs, Iranians, Iraqis, and Israelis that would've led to a regional war if we didn't topple Saddam.
>Afghanistan
Hunting down terrorists that perpetrated 9/11 attacks

Any others?

>>2403840
None of these were just though:
Korea: Korea was split up like Germany at the Yalta Conference. The plan was to make it a united country later on. Guess who suppressed the Korean attempts at setting up a provisionary government for their own People and waged war.
End of June 1950 the press wrote that south Korean troops had made it onto North korean territory while at the same time at the UN there was a complaint about North Korean troops entering southern territory. Riiight.
Vietnam: Tongking incident anyone?
Grenada: simple power Play, not justified at all. and anti-commie stances arent a justification at all.
Lebanon: Just an early attempt at getting a good starting point against Iran
Panama: The USSR are down, who is gonna stop the US from just invading yet another country?
Gulf/Iraq Wars: Grand Theft Oil, has been discussed in this thread
Afghanistan: yet another example of an unjustified Invasion.

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>>2403905
>Korea
you gotta source that isn't democratic underground or democracy now for that claim buddy?

Compare the state of North Korea and South Korea today if you think we were the bad guys in that war.

>Vietnam
So the government lied about Tonkin, so what? Even if American ships weren't attacked that doesn't mean that communism didn't pose a threat. Have you ever heard of Domino Theory?
>Grenada
We prevented a country from falling to communism, again, Domino Theory is a justification.
>Lebanon
Getting a point against a country controlled by radical Islamist fanatics, wow, terrible.
>Panama
Not an argument
>Gulf/Iraq Wars
"Grand Theft Oil"
pic related, don't see a lot of American firms on that list. China got a shitload of American oil (http://www.weeklystandard.com/no-oil-for-blood/article/16662)
>Afghanistan
How was it unjustified for us to topple a state sheltering those who perpetrated the 9/11 attacks