Is psychology a pseudoscience?
>>2390765
No. It's a combination of science and art, like medicine, woodworking, or any other skill. It is based on objective truths that are complex beyond our current ability to fully systematize, so the best we can do for now it make increasingly refined conjectures based on observation, trial, and error.
>>2390765
NO; IT IS A SCIENCE.
If it isn't falsifiable, it isn't scientific.
>>2390765
While 99.99999% of my posts are bullshit I unequivocally believe psychology to be bullshit
>>2390765
Yes, psychology is a pseudoscience.
Most "scientific" experiments circulating in the field cannot be replicated. It doesn't adhere to the scientific method, therefore it is not a real science. It belongs in the same dustbin as alchemy and astrology.
>>2390818
>If it isn't falsifiable, it isn't scientific.
Check this Popper cuck out lmao
>>2390765
No, it's just science.
Only STEM autists will deny it.
>>2390895
Prove it.
>>2390882
>Most "scientific" experiments circulating in the field cannot be replicated.
Whoa it's almost like some things exist that can't be quantifiable
>>2390927
Then it's not science.
>>2390937
then science doesn't have all answers
>>2390939
ALL of them have to have results that can be replicated. If they can't, then they're unscientific, and only a pseudoscience will accept them.
>>2390945
Literally no one said it does. OP didn't ask "is psychology knowledge?" He asked if it was science.
>>2390778
i have so much disdain for this tripfag desu
>mfw at all the retards in this thread
It all depends upon your method of Demarcation and Demarcation has been debated for centuries.
I myself do not agree with Methodological Monism.
>>2390951
Things that can't be replicated aren't taken any more seriously in Psychology than they are anywhere else.
Stop reading pop-psych trash articles and learn something.
>>2390971
[citation needed]
>>2390971
More than half of the results of psychology studies fail to be replicated. This field needs to be purged or abandoned.
>>2391012
>more than half
where are you getting this statistic and what does studies have to do with the field itself? People don't write books and develop theories based on single studies, or rather, the field doesn't take the findings of such studies seriously
>>2391012
Don't you also have to replicate the replicated study?
And doesn't this lead to a regression problem ad infinitum?
Checkmate STEMtard
>>2390765
All Works I know use statistical based evidence.
It's more related to astrology than science.
It was invented by a Jew.
Enough said.
/thread.
>>2391092
That's pyschoanalysis, brainlet.
Modern day psychology is fathered by Western European Germans and Frenchies.
>>2391114
>Just a couple of replications should suffice
That doesn't answer the question.
How do you know the replicative studies are correct? You just run into the same problem with the original study because you have to then make sure that those replicated studied were correct.
It doesn't matter if you keep doing multiple replications and take an average, because there is no reason to believe a majority or average of those studies is sufficient or that a mathematical average can be extended from interpreted practice.
Do you understand, brainlet?
I'm tearing down your world view one second at a time.
>>2391132
>>2391132
Not that anon, but I know the game you're trying to play, and I have played it myself multiple times. You can't trick the master trickster. That anon should stop responding to you at this moment, unless he wants to play rat and mouse with someone who hasn't the slightest interest in reaching the truth of the matter.
>>2391171
>Not that anon, but I know the game you're trying to play, and I have played it myself multiple times. You can't trick the master trickster. That anon should stop responding to you at this moment, unless he wants to play rat and mouse with someone who hasn't the slightest interest in reaching the truth of the matter.
Not a response.
There is no such thing as methodological monism and I will eradicate all brainlets that attempt to claim such a thing exists.
>>2391132
A couple of replications greatly increase the probability that a researcher is generating bogus results. The point is that replicated studies conducted by different people serve as a check in place. No replications mean that frauds are given free reign. Ultimately, it all boils down to odds. Absolute certainty may not be attainable, but a reasonable attempt should at least be conducted.
I wrote out a whole reply to this but fucking lost it when I clicked reload, christ. Sorry, friend. We'll do this next time.
>>2390778
>first post best post
>>2390780
Sparta was shit
>>2391196
Someone needs to make a .gif where the brain tupla smothers Wojack, and takes over, as a warning for those guys over on /x.
It's more of a tool than a science
>>2391012
>>2391114
>More than half of the results of psychology studies fail to be replicated. This field needs to be purged or abandoned.
You show painful ignorance of what these results actually mean and how normal they are in relation to other fields.
I recommend looking up the same reproduction studies for medicine.
Furthermore, you don't seem to understand the significance of this study coming from WITHIN the field, rather than from the outside. This is actually a plus for psychology.
Does it matter? If psychology helps people live better lives isn't that the point? It's a soft science if anything because its hard to repeat experiments.
>>2392787
>If psychology helps people live better lives isn't that the point?
But it does the exact opposite. It ruins lives. It's a cancerous tumor on the ass of science, and needs to piss off.
>>2392889
>But it does the exact opposite. It ruins lives. It's a cancerous tumor on the ass of science, and needs to piss off.
So what would you suggest people with serious psychological problems do, then?
>>2392895
Anything but surrender their lives to the mental health industry (and I must emphasize *industry*) so they can make things worse for their own personal profit. Seriously, fuck this racket.
>>2392902
Ok, so you suggest nothing.
>>2392889
Those are some sound citations and credentials you brought up there.
>>2392910
I suggest they help themselves. If they can't, then no snake oil salesman could help them even if they wanted to (which, FYI, they don't).
>>2390845
you are not a smart kid
infact you are 99% retarded
>>2392921
As someone who basically got a brand new life thanks to psychiatric mediation: go fuck yourself.
>>2392902
That's psychiatry you're thinking of. Psychology is just therapy.
>>2392989
t. Dr. Oz fan
two can play at this game.
>>2390818
>popperian falsifiability
lmao science is never carried out like that
>>2393016
To psychology apologists, it is!
>>2390818
>science
>a series of disciplines stretching back thousands of years
>falsifiability
>a methodological concept from the 20th century
You're a moron.
>>2392889
Sounds like you need help.
>>2390765
No, not really. Even Freud himself admitted that it was a sort of temporal bridge, a way to try and understand behavior through analogies and abstract, sometimes philosophical, concepts until eventually the study of the brain would take its place. That was in his early days of psychoanalysis, before he went full mystical in his methods and models and started regarding psychology as its own thing, which I believe was a mistake. Luckily today's psychologists are much more rational in their approach but they too have dropped the idea that psychology is just a temporal method we use because we're so desperate to understand our behavior and thoughts without having the means to study them in an empirical way yet.
>>2390845
*tips 99% of his fedoras*
>>2392889
Shhh... Anon, you ain't the only one who had catastrophic experiences with Psychologists and psychiatrists. No tears, anon, only dreams.
>>2392781
With charlatans like Stapel and Smeesters it was absolutely necessary for the field of psychology itself to conduct reproductions to salvage whatever credibility was left. There was already pressure from outside psychology to set the mess right. Claims that reproductions derived from wihtin the field are bogus. To say that this is a plus for psychology demonstrates how pathetic the state it is in truly is.
Failure to replicate should never be tolerated; you would open the doors for fraud and fake studies.
The replication crisis in medicine seems less severe and mostly restricted to cancer research. It appears to be on a lesser scale than psychology, particularly social psychology.
>>2392787
It matters when that help does not surpass placebo effect.
>>2392965
I am happy your life has imporved. Even though any pharmacologst can tell you that psyhciatric medicine is shooting in the dark.
>>2393322
>Luckily today's psychologists are much more rational in their approach
Phrases like this trigger me to no end. Why do you think modern psychologists "act more rationally"?
>>2390765
Watch that man's lectures and tell me yourself.
His discourse was informative for me and I could see it being very useful to someone suffering from a mental disorder.
He's not a 'change their brain chemistry with pills until they think they are better' type.
>>2393016
Falsifiability is filled with problems.
Read kuhn.
>>2394032
Im talking about the cognitive school mostly, which is all about using simple models and creating simple tools, collecting data of what worked on a patient or not and then using those tools on new cases. It has limited uses, the greatest example being phobias, but its way more reasonable than Freud and later Lacan's pseudo philosophy that sometimes bordered on mysticism and that led to psychoanalysts taking Freud's and Lacan's words as holy perfect scripture.
>>2392781
>I recommend looking up the same reproduction studies for medicine.
Not even remotely the same. Social psychology is literally in disarray, plenty of holy cows under threat (ego depletion, stereotype threat and so on). Medicine, it's not like we found out something like cisplatin or NSAIDs don't work.
>>2395679
>Social psychology is literally in disarray
Because it tried to replace religion with therapy and drugs.
>>2395687
...what?
What do drugs and therapy have to do with social psychology?
>>2395689
The modern answer to psychological problems is psychiatry.
>>2395694
That has nothing to do with social psychology.
>>2393044
A field of science implies a field where you use the scientific method to explain why x happens. Scientific method starts with a falsifiable hypothesis of explaining why x happens.
If you want to talk about something unfalsifiable, fine, but don't call it science.
>>2390765
Sorta a lot of it is just wishful thinking
I don't consider it a pseudo science but it's definitely not a pure science and retards think that because a couple of psychologists saying that there are more than 2 genders it suddenly comfirms their retardedness
>>2390778
NOTHING ABOUT PSYCHOLOGY IS ABOUT OBJECTIVE TRUTH
>>2392921
take your pills faggot, you get paranoid without them.
replication fetish, the thread.
some of the subdisciplines within under psychology umbrella are rigorously scientific, some are not, and most that are not do not profess to be rigorously scientific. The level of autism that flares up whenever psychology is brought up is disgusting, but then again no one on 4chan ever seems to really know what they are talking about.
>>2395847
Truth is a psychological concept.
>>2397139
Psyhcology is presented as real, unadulterated science. From this it follows that it rigorously adheres to the empirical method of science. When a replication crisis emerges, such criticism is valid.
>>2390765
Peterson seems to be trying to tie psychology to philosophy, neither of which are exact sciences.
The problems arise when people forget they are not exact sciences and more the prevailing ideas of the day vs say the laws of physics.
It's closer to a real science than other social sciences
>>2390778
fpbp
>>2393044
Most of what passed for science thousands of years ago would not be considered science by any modern standard.
>>2390778
>Science and art
>medicine
>woodworking
Medicine is literally just science and woodworking is literally art