YHWH

>>2386746
Yes

>>2386746
Of course and Yahweh was adopted by Semitic Speakers by Cushitic Speakers.

Why is this so odd to people? Things change.

>>2386746

Probably.

>>2386746
The catholic trinity is the kabbalistic Kether, Chokmah and Binah. Binah Being the female part of the deity. So catholics believing in sinless virgin Mary comes from esoteric ancient jewish rituals.

>>2386783
That's fucking retarded. Christianity predate Kabbalah.

>>2386805
>That's fucking retarded. Christianity predate Kabbalah.

Not Jewish or the anon you quoted but...
How did you manage to become so ignorant?

Genuinely curious.

>>2386746
Yahweh was probably a war god which later on take on the aspects of another god 'El'

Judaism was a polytheistic later on monolatarist (there are other gods but we worship this god and this god only) and later on monotheistic. A lot of polytheism survives in the holy texts actually. Elohim is a plural word that means gods/pantheon but later on got the singular meaning, You have consort of yahweh Asherah etc

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that's not even the best image of YHWH. allow me to introduce you to Yahweh of Samaria and his Asherah and Yahweh of Teman and his Asherah

>>2387046
Kabbalah didn't come into existence until the 13th century fagtatd.

YHWY is The Aten

>>2387073
It's more probable he was a Midanite and Edomite God that was worshipped at Mt. Siani that the Hebrews slowly adopted as their national god. Other rulers started reintroducing old Canaanite gods back into the mix which upset some "Yahwist" who saw the introduction of these gods as threats to the Hebrew people and thus the reason why their enemy's were attacking them. And so the birth of monotheism began.

>>2387312
Not sure if ignorant and retarded, or just retarded...

That's only what the Jews thought at the time.

>>2387101
You can guess at the two Yahwehs, but which ones are the Asherahs? The one in the back and one of the bulls, or do they share the one Asherah?

>>2386746
Nope

>>2387101
>Yahweh
>of Samaria
Thus no the True YHWH

A degenerate race that God exterminated pretty much like he is exterminating the West

>>2386759
YHWH
>I am who I am
He is everlasting, this does not change.

>>2387312
The sun is the a formeless God.

Sure...

>>2386759
That's a super-duper atheist position.

>>2387390
But people's conception of God change. Christians say YHWH is a Trinity. Jews don't nor do Muslims.

>>2387432
>Christians say YHWH is a Trinity
>Depiction of an Edomite YHWH of Samaria
What's your point

>Jews don't nor do Muslims.

mudslim worship a cube, and don't try to bring these low iq sandnigger with Jews and Christians.

>>2387411

YHWH isn't the sun. YHWH is a demon.

>>2387101
Some scholars think the inscription and the images are unrelated.

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>>2387101
>Be (You)
>Be dumb as fuck
>Use a depiction made in the territory of the Edomites, thus not the Israelites
>The name of the God are YHWH of Samaria and YHWH of Teman, thus not the genuine Formless One God YHWH
>The Script is a mix of Phoenician and Hebrew, thus most likely not made by an Israelite
>Generalize one depiction to all the times and places

It's obvious that after being BTFO by YHWH the Edomites started to worship YHWH in the same sick way that they worshiped their false gods.

Pic related are the rapefugees coming to your rape your women, enjoy your extinction atheicucks.

YHWY is related to the root 'hw' which means to be, to exist. "I am, I be".
http://www.assyrianlanguages.org/sureth/dosearch.php?searchkey=17374&language=id
http://www.assyrianlanguages.org/sureth/dosearch.php?searchkey=3333&language=id
http://www.dukhrana.com/lexicon/root.php?adr=0:495&font=Estrangelo+Edessa&size=125%

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>>2387305
That's just when it rose to higher popularity. Kabbalah has been around as long as Judaism.

>>2386746
Historically, Polytheists would use the name of their father-god to refer to an abstract monotheistic entity (The Greeks were beginning to do this with Zeus before Christianity came around). Moses, traditionally held to be the writer of the Torah, passed through lands where YHWH was the father-god around the same time that he received the ten commandments, and later led his people into Canaanite lands, where Eloi was the father-god. Thus, when searching for a name to give god, it would be logical for him to use YHWH or El.

Of course, There is also the alternative JEDP 4 different authors of the books of moses for a more secular idea of their origin, in which case you would be a bit more correct.

>>2387495
>makes shit up about it being a mix of Phoenician and hebrew
>isn't aware that the bible attests to a close relationship between YHWH and Edom in Numbers where YHWH clears out the Horites for Edom just like he did to the Canaanites, and in mentions of YHWH marching from Mt. Seir in the Song of Deborah and Psalms
>ignores that "YHWH of Samaria" would refer to a form of YHWH that was in the capital of Israel, certainly in Israel's territory

>>2389131
>isn't aware that the bible attests to a close relationship between YHWH and Edom

With the Genuine YHWH not his northern parody

>YHWH that was in the capital of Israel
In the capital of the Northern Pagan Kingdom*

>certainly in Israel's territory
Israel is Jacob and his descents, not a Nation-State with a fixed border

>>2389511
>In the capital of the Northern Pagan Kingdom*
both kingdoms were, I take it you haven't read Kings

Israel is Jacob and his descents, not a Nation-State with a fixed border
It refers to both. you were objecting to this drawing not being made in Israelite territory so I refered to the territorial meaning

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>>2389531
Judah always fought against idolatry, while the Northern kingdom fell quickly into pure idolatry.

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If one were interested in the ancient religions of the middle east and has no idea how to research anything historical, where should I begin?

>>Any specific religions to examine?
>>Are there any websites which discusses this?
>>Events which impacted religions in major ways?
>>How stupid am I for not just googling?

>>2389742
Read From Stone Age to Christianity of Albright

https://archive.org/details/fromthestoneaget028007mbp

>>2388866
Judaism is younger than Christianity

No.

Only atheists believe in that retarded theory, which isn't surprising since they will believe in anything that makes Christianity look bad.

No.

>>2389582
Judah is only portrayed as having more idolatry fighting kings, they still had plenty of kings that Kings shits on. in fact the narrative seeks to explain not just the fall of the northern kingdom, but also the fall of the southern kingdom. most of the kings of Judah that fought idolatry don't fit the high standard that the author of kings has and often allow the high places to continue functioning for example.

>>2389775
Christianity was "invented" more than 300 years after the supposed death of Christ.

Christianity is about as new as it gets and heavy editing of the clumped together material detracts heavily from it's validity.

It is a twisted representation of gods word as heard in truly ancient places such as Sumeria.

>>2390328
You're a retard.

>>2387073
>Elohim is a plural word that means gods/pantheon but later on got the singular meaning
this is just a common misunderstanding. The plural form can be used regarding to a single person in a position of authority in Hebrew (and arabs do it as well, in the Quran God also refers to himself in zhe plural form)

>>2389066
>The Greeks were beginning to do this
they actually started doing it very early on in their history
Hesiod had that exact understanding of Zeus

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>>2390805
Such is internet debate

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>>2389066
>Of course, There is also the alternative JEDP 4 different authors of the books of moses for a more secular idea of their origin, in which case you would be a bit more correct.

This BS collapsed long ago

>>2390908
Kys

>>2386783
lol

>>2390328
Oh look someone is chatting shit about Sumer.

You'd better not be implying that shitty 13th century Jewish Voodoo has anything to do with the ancient Sumerian gods, motherfucker.

>>2390898
Zeus and Deus (both ultimately from Proto-IE Dyeus and deiwos) aren't related to 'Theos' though.

Most likely, like Allah was originally the head of an Arabian pantheon.

In fact, they are the same perversion of the three-personed God.
>>2390328
>invented
Back to ribbit.

>>2387432
YHWH isn't the Christian God.
>>2387451
>mudslim worship a cube
At least attempt to comprehend a religion before insulting it.

But yes, they still prostrate towards a idol-warehouse that their culture used when it was polytheistic.

>>2392417
>YHWH isn't the Christian God.
Jesus = Iēsous (Ἰησοῦς) = Yeshua (ישוע) meaning "Yahweh is salvation."

You're a fucking retard faggot.

>>2386746

>Yehud
>From the persian era

Since no one here actually put forth evidence of this, I will give you a quick overview of the claims. YHWH in all rigorous studies consider his origins likely to be unknown due to the many hypothesis and rebuttals among scholars in the Old Testament field (see Miller Ancient Israelite Religion). Likely, YHWH's earliest extrabiblical material comes from unearth monument that mentions a shasu Yhwh/Yahu. This marker in egyptology is a topography, the data has been interpreted with early biblical references found in the bible referring to YHWH coming out from the mountains of Seir, Sinai and Paran. (see Deuteronomy 33:2, Judges 5:4, Habakkuk 3:3). The material shows YHWH as a theophany coming out from the southern regions of Edom and the Midianite territory near Arabia, several scholars such as Frank Moore Cross believe that the name YHWH means "to be" "I am". This is based off the use of Western semitic languages. Other scholars like Van Toorn goes a different direction using the Arabic root of YHWH, (hyh/hwh), which leads to the meaning "he blows" which lead to conclusion of a storm deity. /1

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>>2389582

That sounds right, from what I know about the Jews.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLVPop0LsaQ

>>2386746
Fuck no, it was the first real monotheistic God. If there wasn't a monotheistic starting point, religion would have never evolved into it.

>>2393161

With the data presented, scholars who support Van Toorn side would agree with the fact that YHWH was originally a storm deity from the south of Edom/Midian and was later adapted by native Israelites later on. Though this theory has been considered speculative and omits multiple pieces of evidence which contradicts this position.

1. The evolution from polytheism to monotheism has been challenged on several key points missed out by prominent scholars. According Mark S Smith's books (Origins of Biblical Monotheism/Early History of God), YHWH was originally polytheistic under the control of Elyon (which Smith asserts is El), and that eventually YHWH became a monotheistic god with the help of Deutero-Isaiah 40-55, Psalm 82 and Deuteronomy 32:8. The problem is that scholars like Olyan has challenged this point, he shows that Deutero-Isaiah contain multiple divine beings that are not angels. Another problem is that Smith's hypothesis of Psalm 82 and Deuteronomy 32:8 were challenged by Michael S Heiser who was a able to show Smith's conclusion faulty by presupposing the text to being polytheistic, Heiser demonstrates that the texts says nothing of it.

2. YHWH as originally a storm deity was challenged before and after Van Toorn's work on YHWH. Frank Moore Cross and Michael Heiser were able to trace back multiple psalm passages that date pre-exilic material showing YHWH was a kingly deity that ruled over the flood of the earth. Cross concludes that it is clear that kingship in the YHWH cult was early not late.

3. Benjamin Sommer challenged this idea as well. In his work (The Bodies of God), he adapts Kaufmann's view of YHWH as being a deity who was never challenged or put down in his position as head deity of Israel, other Ancient Near Eastern cultures had their deities challenged, YHWH in Israelite culture remained confident, contradicting ANE religious practices.

>>2387101
>>2393194

The imaged shown here has no relation to YHWH whatsoever, the two presented are likely the deity Bes (see Hess Israelite Religion). Though YHWH was primary a Israelite deity he did spread to multiple places in the ancient near east. YHWH was once present in Elephantine due to the migration of Israelites there. And as the image you've shown, YHWH also was spread around Edom (specifically Teman).

>>2389755
I'll go have a look, thanks mate

>>2391610
>Kys

Wew, lad

>>2391803
I thought in the Arabian pantheon Allah was just the creator deity who created and then let his creation go wild, and that Hubal and the three daughters of Allah were the head deities of the pantheon

I remember hearing somewhere that Yahweh was actually a Volcano/Fire God like Vulcan, and that is why he appeared in the burning bush to Moses and out of fire on Mt Sinai

Is there any merit to this theory?

No.

>>2386746
The National History Museum in Israel, through found evidence and archaeology, supports the theory that the Israelites were polytheist before monotheist

>>2393145
Doesn't matter, conceptions change.
>>2393611
The three daughters thing is rejected by Islamic scholars for obvious reasons.

I've always been taught that Allah was the only one that could actually do anything, and effective prayer through the lesser gods depended on the god's personality. So, they favor certain types of people.
>>2393614
Absolutely none.

>>2386759
Because it damages the claim that Judaism and Christianity are a product of divine revelation, rather putting them into the same realm as other religions and philosophies: products of the culture and history of men.

>>2394823
No it doesn't you moron, it merely puts Judaism out of relevance.

'judeo-christianity' isn't a thing. The God of Christians is not the God of Jews except according to Jews and Muslims.

>>2387305
>Kabbalah didn't come into existence until the 13th century fagtatd.
this is correct
>>2388866
>That's just when it rose to higher popularity. Kabbalah has been around as long as Judaism.
That's false. Only ultra-orthodox religious jews actually take that seriously. Kabbalah is a product of medieval times. That doesnt make it any less interesting.

>>2389775
>Judaism is younger than Christianity
this meme again.

>>2390328
>Christianity was "invented" more than 300 years after the supposed death of Christ.
Don't overstate your case. Most of the gospel were written throughout the few decades following his death. The canon was fully formed by the end of the 1st century.

>It is a twisted representation of gods word as heard in truly ancient places such as Sumeria.
tinfoil-tier kek. You should read some actual non-conspiracy books about early Christianity. Bart Ehrman is a decent starting point

>>2394816
>Doesn't matter, conceptions change.
Shut the fuck up bitch. Christians use the Old Testament and even refer to God as Yahweh.

>>2389582
what book is this? looks neat

googled both of the titles at the top of the page with no luck

>>2389742
I mean there isnt much there. theyre literally not much more complex than african tribal shit so there isnt much to read.

>>2386746
>from about the 9th to 6th century B.C

No, that's far too late.

>>2394882
Why did the New Testament writers spend so much time linking Jesus to Old Testament prophecies and the concept of the Messiah, and Jesus proclaimed his divinity specifically using Abraham and the name "I Am"?

>>2394999
>lol shut up ur damaging my ideological conception of Christianity
They're wrong. If they are referring to Yahweh, then they are referring to a false god.

The OT is based upon the Jewish Tanakh, and is not interpreted the same way as the Jews.
>>2395402
Are you illiterate or just braindead by atheism?

>>2394946
>You should read some actual non-conspiracy books
>Implying

You should try tracing the bible back to it's very roots. Who knows you might actually find God. Or you could keep reading satellite material and continue treating JC like he is God almighty.

>>2394882
>'judeo-christianity' isn't a thing.
It's called that because they both branched off the Ancient Hebrew religion

>The God of Christians is not the God of Jews except according to Jews and Muslims.
You're right, they worship Ba'al

>>2393614

None, since it neglects many of the earlier passages of YHWH coming from the south as a warrior like theophany and the early kingly psalms of his ruling over the flood.

>>2394882
>The God of Christians is not the God of Jews except according to Jews and Muslims.

He has to be the same one, if there is in fact only one.

>>2396164
>lol everybody is right xddd

>>2395836
not a christian

>>2393194
So what you're saying is that YHWH is Enlil?

>>2397470

As an early manifestation found in the pre-exilic texts?

>>2393717
There is an interesting book (forgot the name) by Israeli scholar explaining that early monotheism developed by Israeli tribal confederation was something in the line of:
>we are newcomers to this region and don't want to be in conflict with locals
>Yeh sure, whatever your many god's names are we worship them as well, in fact all gods are a representation of this one manyfaced god that we worship bro. No need to fight over that.
>after the balance of power shifts (over few centuries): ohh no fuck you and your gods, our god is the only true one let's fight over it

Also he theorizes (not sure if it's his theory I think he just quotes it) that the origin of the name itself "IsraEl" means ruled by the god named El. El being the chief deity of the Canaanites. The name purpose was to signify that the confederations is not ruled by a king like their neighbors but by "god" - using the name for god the locals understood. This is a reference to their idea that subjugation to a human ruler is illegitimate. A reference to the early anti-monarchistic tribal government type of Judges that were appointed by the 12 tribes for specific tasks only.
P.S
Found the book but it wasn't translated yet
>Ha-Shem: The Secret Numbers of the Hebrew Bible and the Mystery of the Exodus from Egypt, (Tel Aviv: Dvir Press, 2012)

>>2387390
He's not doing a very good job.

>>2393184
That was Ahura Mazda, idiot

>>2398959
>Ahura Mazda
>Monotheistic
Pick one

AM was the son of the god of primordial creation, Zurvan, and brother of the evil god, Angra Mainyu, without getting into the myriad minor deities of that religion.

(Interesting trivial tidbit -- Ahura Mazda created the fixed stars, Angra Mainyu spoiled the perfection of this creation by creating the planets, to wander around the sky rather than remain where order would place them.)

>>2393184

What a foolish thing to claim. The Greeks were monotheists before the Jews jumped on the bandwagon, until the Christian era Jews didn't even CLAIM to be monotheists, they merely abhorred the worship of any god other than their own. This makes them MONOLATRISTS, much like the Egyptian priestly caste Moses belonged to, or the Assur worshipping Assyrians were.

>>2386746
he was the resident deity of mount Sinai, which was an active volcano on those times, so it´s no wonder ppl made him an angry god