Which country is the Third Rome?

Russia
/thread

>>2378131
We're on the Fourth Rome now

Ottomans were the third

>>2378132
WE

>>2378138
You must not understand "3rd Rome" is a spiritual continuity. It has nothing to do with biology.

>>2378131
UK
It was founded by Aeneas' brother after all

>>2378131
Spain

A greek founded Rome, a greek founded Byzantium and a greek founded the ottoman empire.

Everything else is invalidated.

>>2378161
>the Latins were greek
Wew lad

>>2378168
Go read a book before replying to me.

You are American right? you know how there are Afro-Americans, European-Americans, Asian-Americans right?

Who founded USA?

The same thing goes for the Roman empire.

>>2378179
Are you retarded? Greeks didn't found the Roman empire.Romans conquered Greeks. Just like Japan adopted Chinese culture, Romans adopted a lot of Greek culture. That doesn't make them Greeks.

>>2378145
There's no spiritual continuity. It's dead.
And just how pathetic should a country be that it needs to LARP as some completely unrelated ancient empire instead of having its own unique identity.

>we aren't our own entity with our own achievements to be proud of, we are just continuing some forgotten thing from centuries ago, we are actually ashamed to be ourselves

>>2378179
The Latins weren't greek, they had a very similar pantheon but they were separate peoples.

Russia, btw fourth Rome is Finland.

>>2378184
If you read a book you would known that the colony of Latin territory(Rome) was founded by greeks who fled from Troy as refugees after its downfall.

They might have been a minority in the region they colonized, but they still founded one of the greatest states of its time, giving the local populous a greek religion, a greek language infused with their own and the phalanax system.

>>2378189
>There's no spiritual continuity. It's dead.
Not true. The Orthodox tradition is the spiritual continuity. The Orthodox church is only growing in Russia. It isn't larping at all.

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>>2378131
Im gonna throw one out there that I don't hear often, but Paris during the First French Empire

>>2378203
What is that, from the fucking Aeneid?
That's not how it really went. Unless you believe the Franks were a lost tribe of Israel.

>>2378203
>believing the mythical origin stories of city states
You are disgusting

>>2378211
>>2378213

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItwGz43a_ak

>>2378203
>his shitpost has so many levels I only just realised it was the Aenid
Top Lad

>>2378203

So basically you are unable to distinguish between mythology and actual history.

Please leave this board.

>>2378215
Yeah, I listened to a reference this too, but what are the other theories derived from anthropological study and archeology?

>>2378227
The only archeological evidence come from Etruscan inscribings.

>>2378207
What does Orthodoxy have to with this?
Russia doesn't have a special monopoly on Orthodoxy and it was converted much later.

Greece and even the orthodox countries in the Balkans would have a better claim if you with this line of thinking. Greece especially since they're actual Greeks/remnants of the Eastern Roman Empire.

>>2378230
You're right you win, all of the evidence that the Latins we're not greek is fake. The only reliable account of the origin of the Latin people is Virgil's Aeneid written during the reign of Augustus.

>>2378231
>the Patriarch of Constantinople moving to Russia and declaring it the new capital does not count
WEW LAD

>>2378207
A) Orthodox Christianity had nothing to do with Rome or the original Roman Empire. If you replace the boards of a ship one by one until you have replaced everything when does it become a different ship?
B) By your logic the entire Catholic world is the third Rome as well.

>>2378239
Even in the mythology, the people from Troy intermixed heavily with the already present Latins

How long will it take China to claim to be the second Britania?

>>2378243
>creating your own example rather than just doing the broom example

Do we agree on Belgium?

>>2378249
>big economy
>belligerent diplomacy
>terrible at war
All they need is a proper navy and they're good to go.

>>2378249
They will never be a "second" Britannia, they cant even secure a southern sea named after them

comparing that to the British is almost insulting

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>>2378131
Nazi Germany was the Third Rome
Napoleonic France was the second one

>>2378131
Bosnia is the true successor of both Rome and the Caliphate.

>>2378208
this tbqhwyf

>>2378231
Orthodoxy is the continuation of the Roman tradition from an orthodox perspectives
>>2378242
This
>>2378243
The "logic" is an orthodox perspective. I understand that's hard for your mind to comprehend but humor the notion other people have different perspectives than you do.

>>2378205
>Finland
Finland?
FINLAND?

I bet the Hyper Mongolians have something to say about that...

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>Patriarch of Constantimeme recognizes Mehmet the Conqueror as Caesar
>not the heir of rome

>>2378242
Sooo, if faith dictates "Romanness", was Charlemagne really the emperor since the pope said so?
Are you willing to concede the same gravity to the
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>
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claim of being the Roman Empire?

>>2378472
>Orthodoxy is the continuation of the Roman tradition

Assuming this is somehow true, other majority Orthodox nations exist, some were Orthodox before Russian was even founded as a country.
Some of these where even part of the Roman Empire for centuries.

>>2378242
Why would it count? This singular statement somehow turns everything on its head and make Russia somehow connected to Rome?
Constantinople was conquered and thus the last successor of the Empire was annihilated. Period
Imperial Rome completely disappears from history.
What some exiles did were just acts of despair.

>>2378420
>eagles = rome
Nope HRE is second rome hence the 2 eagles

>>2378502
>patriarch said this to save his skin, we will also ignore when the patriarch in good faith says Russia is third rome
>>2378476
Finland's 4th Rome but apart from that correct

>>2378205
>WRE illegitimate
why

>>2378512
>>2378555
If you think the Byzantine empire was the successor state to the Roman Empire, then Russia is third Rome. If you think the HRE is the successor state, then Belgium is Third Rome

>>2378208
There is something really charming about France and French history.

>>2378572
>lost Roma
>Orthodoxy is the true faith
>had non-Roman citiziens unlike ERE
The arguments I could think of off the top of my head

>>2378565
>patriarch would rather get executed than convert
>but he's a coward in this case anyway

>>2378577
Russia was never part of the Roman Empire and no legal connection to it whatsoever.
The Byzantine empire was literally a chunk of the Roman empire.

>>2378586
>is a Christian
>doesn't want to die a Christian death
>therefore heretic or sinner so his point is moot until he receives the sacrament of reconciliation
Got Milk!

>>2378203
You do realize the Latins are a sub-group of Italics who all speak a different language and culture separate from Greek colonists who were largely located around mostly Southern Italy right?

Obviously America is the modern Rome, and the true church is the LDS church. It's a purely spiritual state of affairs. There is no proper historical successor for Rome, but there is a spiritual successor of republic-turned-empire that continues the persecution of true Christians and fulfills revelation prophecy.

>>2378250
I've heard the ship example on multiple occasions from different sources. Get edumucated.

>>2378605
So this allows christians to lie any time they want?

>>2378472
>gets called out for the holes in his logic
>whoa, duuuuuude. stop being such a jerk and accept that other people such as myself have a right to be wrong in their own ways

France, only France of all the European nations continues the grandeur of Rome

>>2378131
Mexico

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>>2378420
>2nd one isn't even Charlemagne's Empire
Cmon

Barbados.

>>2378776

Kek.

A little too much red wine tonight, Henri?

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Wales, unironically

>>2378686
>Get educated
Darling if you weren't private schooled educated in the Heartland of the Empire then you can go back to your Rebel hovel
>>2378688
You could rape, as long as you sincerely confessed the sin, honestly read Catholic Theology and don't stop when it says fags go to hell

>>2378776
>France
>Grandeur
No that's either GB or Russia
>>2378981
Which Troian refugees do you have?

>>2378258
>they cant even secure a southern sea named after them

BTFO
T
F
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>>2379037
BRITANIA RULES TEH WAVES
BRITANIA WILL NEVER BE SLAVES....except that one time....

>>2378595
>what is Crimea

>>2379064

Not guy you were talking to but

>Former Roman land which got taken by Genoa which then got taken by the Mongols which then got taken by the We wuz khans which was then annexed by Russia and then it wasn't part of Russia and now it is part of Russia.

>>2378250
>On /his/
>Never heard of The Ship of Theseus

Ooohh public school woes

>>2378131
the united states of america

>>2378131
I unironically belive it was the Ottomans, they came the closest to reuniting the Mediterranean under one banner.

>>2378161
Osman was not a Greek you Turkish autist

>>2378665
Underrated

>>2378203
WE WUZ TROJANS N SHEEEIITTT

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Carolingians -> HRE -> Habsburgs -> Austrian Empire -> Austria-Hungary -> Austria

IN DESCENDING CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER:

FIRST ROME: BYZANTINE EMPIRE = TROY.

SECOND ROME: RURIK/RUS EMPIRE = ROMA = LATINOKRATIA = HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE = HABSBURG EMPIRE.

THIRD ROME: THIRD REICH.


>>1540607

FIRST ROME:

TROY, CAPITAL OF BYZANTION, FOUNDED BY BYZAS/ILOS.


SECOND ROME:

1. THE RUS EMPIRE, FOUNDED BY RURIK/AENEAS.

1.1 LATINOKRATIA/MAGNA GRAECIA, FOUNDED BY THE CRUSADING ARMIES THAT INVADED BYZANTEON.

1.2 ROMA, ITALIA, FOUNDED BY ONE, OR TWO, DESCENDANTS OF RURIK/AENEAS, NAMED SINEUS, AND TROVUS/BORIS, AND GLEB/ROMAN, AND DAVID/ROMULUS, AND REMUS.

1.3 SACRUM IMPERIUM ROMANUM.

1.4 HABSBURG EMPIRE.

THESE FIVE ARE PERIODS OF A SINGLE ROMAN CONTINUUM".


THIRD ROME:

GERMANIA, CAPITAL OF THE THIRD REICH, FOUNDED BY ADOLF HITLER.

>>2378205
>WEЁ

>>2379312
>WÜÜZ

>>2379333
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>>2378179
They didn't found the USA famalam. They founded shitty mongolian deathballs and got blown the fuck out.

>>2379064
>Crimea
>Russian

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>>2378131
the ones succeed them by rights of conquest obviously also the the one that was the most open to a multicultural/ethnic empire

>>2379362
A village in Kenya is missing its idiot.

>>2378577
>If you think the HRE is the successor state, then Belgium is Third Rome
You mean Liechtenstein?

>>2378161
> a Greek founded Rome

Nobody knows who founded Rome. Unless you're talking about Romulus which is just Pure Fantasy. Anyways the Etruscans founded room and they weren't Greek.

>>2378203
Lord. The Trojans were not Greeks they bought the Greek's. were Asians. The Aeneid isn't history it's mythology. Greek settle southern Italy before Rome was founded in the italic peoples of the peninsula adopted much of their culture including their religion. You should really leave this board.

>>2379969
but Lichenstein doesn't control tens of client states with no standing army of it's own?

>>2378131
Zimbabwe

>>2378203
Lmao please just leave

Libya

>>2378131
None. Just let it go

>>2378145
the spirit of Rome died way before the fall of the empire, to pretend anyone inherited it is delusional.

>>2378584
>The arguments I could think of off the top of my head
So literally none?

>>2378161
>trojans
>greek

>>2378578
We're a bit silly at times, but we really do try our best