Russians BTFO!

>>2371369
>Poltava

>>2371369
>end up losing one third of your empire anyway

>>2371372
We had already won after war after Narva, it was the kings ego which ruined it

>>2371377
Sounds like a
>germany would had totally won if they did x, y, and z
style excuse to me.

>>2371395
It isn't, the Russian army was utterly destroyed after Narva

We could've either played it defensibly or more daringly moved our army to Russia and we would've had good chances on our side either way.

Unlike Germany

>>2371400
ok but you still lost

>>2371369
Tbh I'm a bit of a swede fanboy, but yeah they really fucked it up. Eh, seem like Russia got lucky with a few good emperors, and were surrounded by failing states.

>>2371369
>win the battle
>lose the war

How is that BTFO?

>>2371400
If would Russians beat Swedes at Narva, Petr´s reforms would probably never happen.

>>2371369
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kirchholm
swedcucks absolutely BTFO(can they ever recover?)

this is now 'post a battle in which your country btfod the countrty above you' thread

>>2372102
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Czechoslovak_War

>>2372102
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_XII's_invasion_of_Poland

300 years later...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyPsqsH8I4M

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>Sweden

>>2372459
Ahhahahaha. Holy shit Pole really are the worst country at war

>>2372502
No, Sweden was just so legendarily great at it

>>2372199
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovak_invasion_of_Poland_(1939)

>>2372546
Iam not Polish but Czech desu

>>2372808
since when 4chan autocorrects desu to desu

>>2372813
Around the time moot turned Japanese.

Sweden was the proto-Deutschland destroyer of life and beauty before the real Germany rolled around. Is anybody really surprised at all?

Remove Germanics from the premises.

>>2371377
>we
didn't realize you were there

>>2373228
My ancestors, aka my blood. Were certaintly there

>>2373228
>WE

I wonder how things would've been different if the Swedish Empire killed or capturing the Russian army instead of just letting them go, kind of like how the Russians did to the Carolean army at Poltava.

>>2371377
Agreed.
>>2371400
Russia already sent peace terms to Carolus, Peter was to cede all his Baltic possessions, but then Carolus wanted to try his luck and go for a more decisive end to the war. Then the death march in winter to Poltava ended that pretty quickly..

>>2373298
WUZ

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>>2371377
>"I have resolved never to start an unjust war but never to end a legitimate one except by defeating my enemies"

Atleast he stayed true to his philosophy

>>2373978
theyd take a visit to stockholm and take most of the land north of it to teach the swedes a lesson never to raise arms against the russian empire ever again

the beauty of a gigantic country is you have men eager to advance in society
endless numbers of infantry for your armies

>tfw the Russian bear could've been killed in its womb were it not for Karl XIIs massive autism

>tfw East Sweden is history, not reality.