Kuwait vs Palestine

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>>2370543
>USA doesn't attack an explicitly pro-America ally over some meme state
dumb chino poster

>>2370543
not in US political interests.
If you look at political actions through a black and white/good and evil lens, youre doing it wrong

>>2370550
how the heck is Israel a 'pro- American ally' lmao

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>>2370554
how the heck is it not lmao

>Kuwait has oil
>Judenland doesn't

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>>2370560
go on tell me how Israel is in any way shape or form pro american
(protip: americans infatuation for zionism and AIPAC doesn't mean Israel is pro-American)

How does a country "deserve" to exist?

>>2370573
Israel isn't a country and they certainly don't deserve to exist imo

>>2370543
>Kuwait has a fuckton of oil and is willing to give it up
>Palestine doesn't and israel is "our """greatest""" """ally""" in the middle east"

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>>2370567
they buy our shit
they back our efforts to remove ISIS
they're a stable democracy with a decent technological base that is more in line with American views than any Ar*b state

now how about you post some proofs that Israel hates America?

>>2370573
>>2370579
Legitimacy as a state lies in successfully asserting and exerting the monopoly on violence.

>>2370567
Israel is an orginal MNNA (major non nato ally).

>>2370579
t. buttblasted pali diaspora

the jews aren't going anywhere, better get used to it

The (((State Departmemt))) works in mysterious ways...

>>2370579
>>2370586
Spooks everywhere

>>2370573
A country deserves to exist if it can protect itself from not existing.

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>>2370583
they don't 'buy our shit', our aid to them is equal to their entire military budget

>they back our efforts to remove ISIS
lmao what's that supposed to mean exactly

>they're a stable democracy with a decent technological base that is more in line with American views than any Ar*b state

yeah because keeping 40% of your population under duresses without any political power and regularly killing them, arresting them, and demolishing their houses in the name of racial purity is America values kek

America only supports Israel originally because of zionist americans who like to fantasize about being jewish, and only later because everyone else started to hate us for supporting the Israelis

>>2370599
>>2370573
don't reply to your own posts

>>2370583
>they back our efforts to remove ISIS
No they don't

>they're a stable democracy with a decent technological base that is more in line with American views than any Ar*b state

And? Why do you think that whether a certain country shares American values or not should influence the relationship it has with the US?

>>2370543
Because American foreign policy is controlled by Jews. The only reason they intervened in Kuwait was because Saddam was an Arab nationalist who loved the Arab nation and loved Palestinians and opposed Zionism. They didn't want him to get stronger, they were looking for an excuse to try to curb stomp him and reduce his military power in preparation for ousting him.

Americans are okay with a puppet like sheikh jaber or King Fahd controlling the oil because they know it means in effect America controls it. They don't want an antizionist Arab nationalist patriot like Saddam Hussein to control Arab lands, lest Arab people actually have a say in what their natural resource wealth goes to.

>>2370633
Israel doesn't shere American values
even if it did, the very nature of it's existence shouldn't mesh with anyone's ideas of American values wtf

>>2370612
>they don't 'buy our shit'
But they do
I just posted an image of "our shit" that they bought.
>our aid to them is equal to their entire military budget
Gonna need a source for that.
>lmao what's that supposed to mean exactly
They bombed ISIS fucking shits
>yeah because keeping 40% of your population under duresses without any political power and regularly killing them, arresting them, and demolishing their houses in the name of racial purity is America values kek
That's what happens when you regularly shoot missiles at them and target Israeli citizens in attacks, the jew isn't gonna give out free hugs.

>>2370646
Israel is a ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((democracy))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

>>2370646
>Israel doesn't shere American values
>capitalist democracy

hmm totally not american values

>>2370652
Go back to /pol/

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>>2370649
>That's what happens when you regularly shoot missiles at them and target Israeli citizens in attacks, the jew isn't gonna give out free hugs.

I don't think you understand the history of the west bank or PLO even a tiny bit

>>2370649
>Gonna need a source for that.
I don't think you understand the history of American aid to Israel even a tiny bit

>>2370649
>They bombed ISIS fucking shits
I don't think you understand the military situation with ISIS even a tiny bit (israel is almost irrelevant here)

>>2370543
A puppet fascist state helps keep it's natural resources on America's market at a lower price than any Peoples Democratic Republic would

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>>2370657
Please explain then.

>>2370662
A puppet of who.

>>2370669
America is Israels puppet is what he meant

>>2370669
America lmao.

>>2370672
>>2370673
So they're puppeting each other.

>>2370681
Kinda like scissoring but about killing poor people

>>2370583
>Israel
>removing ISIS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g10QAaZZKJk

>>2370667
Israel brutally oppressed Palestine and equally brutally suppressed even political speech, thousands were beaten, arrested without trial, subject to curfews or had their homes demolished and homes stolen.

Palestinians were removed from any possible peaceful political process.

>>2370721
>Palestinians were removed from any possible peaceful political process.
might want to give a little background context for that muhammad

And here I thought the Muslim animeposter only shitposted about the trinity.

>>2370726
after starting and winning the six day war Zionist policy was to occupy land, solidify a permanent 'factual' basis for occupation. And deny any political movements by the Arabs who they now administered.

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>>2370740
oh yes israel was the instigator and not the multiple hostile arab nations that had previously tried multiple times to destroy the israeli state through force.

>arabs invade israel
>they do it again
>and again
>israel occupies a small part of their territory
>gives some of it back, even
>israel is the bad guy somehow

>>2370612

>hey don't 'buy our shit', our aid to them is equal to their entire military budget

But thats a lie retarded anime poster. the IDF's current budget is 18.4 billion, and the US gives 2.4 or 7% of that, and its not really aid so much as a subsidy to US defense contractors, as Israel is required to use that money to buy our stuff.

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>>2370747
Israel pre-emptively attacked egypts airforce after the surrounding arab states mobilized defensively. After multiple intelligence services including the soviets and usa noted a massive Israeli build up on the Syrian border.

>>2370755
Israel as a state is a creation of Zionist pressure in US and Uk governments, fumbling of UN, lack of Arab political organization and manoeuvring, and jewish violence
Arabs have always been defending themselves and their brothers in every single conflict

>>2370769
*unsheathes Kfirs*
heh...nice air defence network...kiddo

>>2370774
*destroys 100 - 300 combat aircraft using out of date soviet air defences in 1973

>>2370543
I like Israel because they bootyblast sand-chimps. And Kuwait was worth saving. They're the only gulf state that's not worthy of hate.

>>2370780

>The SA-2 was out of date lol

>1973

>In service less then a decade

>>2370780
*upgrades to F-15's*

>>2370794
*rips israel off the map in a hail of nuclear ballistic missiles and waves upon waves of millions of devout muslim warriors finally ushering in an age of arab unity and prosperity*

>>2370801
>implying arabs have access to nukes

>>2370814
oh that post is set in 2020
you'll see

>>2370755
>arabs invade
>this is the fault of Palestinians

>waaaaaaaaaaah der ppl r being obbressed :^(

Good thing you people will NEVER ever rule a country you have literally zero pragmatic nor realistic bones in your body. Christ almighty.

>>2370864
Israel only exists because of crying jews in america and uk sucking politician dick while the arabs actually pragmatically and realistically fought back in their homeland before 1949

>>2370881

Who the fuck cares? It exists and there's nothing that your whinging and crying will do about it.

> pragmatically and realistically

And lost monumentally. Well done.

>>2370890
Arab rule in Palestine also existed until jews whined and cried for 20 years to get big daddy UK to let more of them in in 1920 - 1940

seems that pathetic moaning to authority figures does work afterall

>>2370899
Firstly Palestine has never existed.

Secondly, that's how the world works. Notions of muh honour and muh patheticness means literally zilch and has never meant a thing.

>>2370825
There are no Arab nations currently actively seeking nuclear proliferation. The only ones, (really just one period, Saudi) who are even capable are allies of the U.S. and Israel.

>>2370905
wait a second just a minute ago you were calling arab fight against israel pathetic whiging, and now such things dont exist lol

kys

>>2370911

You have poor reading comprehension and I'm guessing English is not your first language.

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>>2370906
>Palestinians can't even get all of Muslimhood to support their autism

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>>2370967
Ah yes a /pol/ infographic truly the most unbiased method of conveying information that is totally trustworthy

The same people that say the Arabs are whining and crying and need to be more pragmatic also strongly condemn political terrorism on behalf of Palestinian organizations

pathetic

>>2370980
Not an argument

>>2370985
Political terrorism is not pragmatic.
This is not a Vietnam scenario, Israel isn't going to back off if enough suicide bombers and rockets kill their citizens.

>>2370550
>gives 10 billion dollars in millitary aid

And what does America get back exactly?

Oh look like, it's a "Israel is evil and is keeping the Palestinians locked in a prison camp" thread that ignores that Palestinian territory shares land borders with Egypt and Jordan who could open the gates at any moment and set their Muslim brothers and sisters free.

>>2370583
First of all, the US doesn't really care about removing ISIS. Think of it as a secondary goal. As we speak right now, the US is finding ISIS affiliates groups to fight Russia and the Syrian government.

>>2370985
political terrorism is the opposite of pragmatic, it only strengthens the Israeli opinion that Palestinians have no interest in peace

>>2371031
More than 2 million registered Palestine refugees live in Jordan.

entry between Palestine and Jordan is governed by Israel

Jordan gave the west bank citizenship before Israel seized it

>>2371030
10 billion dollars spent on our military industrial complex

>>2370890
>T. Autismo

>>2371030
They get to beta test all of our gear for us.

>>2371044

And? Why don't they take more? Why don't they tell Israel to fuck themselves and take in ALL the Palestinian, like good Muslims should?

>>2371066
not very 'PRAGMATIC ' to move the native population out and give Israel its strategic borders, religious sites ect and submit to the enemy is it ?

>>2371066

>why doesn't a small state of 6 million people already struggling with water shortages take in 5 million people overnight

really joggin my noggin

>>2371066

There are millions more Palestinians than there are Jordanians already. Almost half of Jordan's population is Palestinian already and there are still almost as many people in the PT than there are in Jordan, even including the Palestinians already there.

Plus Jordan doesn't control its border with the West Bank, Israel does.

>>2371042
>the US is finding ISIS affiliates groups

The only ISIS-affiliated groups that are fighting in Syria are Jund al-Aqsa and Caucasus Emirate and even these groups are more loyal to Al-Qaeda than ISIS. Can you provide any evidence that the US is funding them?

>>2371073

No, no you're right, better to keep them locked up in a zionist death extermination camp instead. How silly of me.

>>2371075

So find more resources. Ask the rest of the Muslim world for help. They'll SURELY chip in to help aid their beloved brothers who have been oppressed so long, right?

>>2371085

See above.

Then go and take back the border. By force if necessary. Theyre just standing by and watching while the devil Jews genocide the Palestinians? What crappie Muslims

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>>2371111
you're an idiot
filtered

>>2371133

>it's idiocy to break storm the gates of what you consider to be a concentration camp where your brothers are being exterminated

OK.

>>2371145
Jordan has accepted so many refuges that the PLO nearly destroyed their government and their natural resources are stretched to the limit

the same goes for Lebanon

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>>2371152
wtf I hate Palestinians even more now

>>2371152

But anon, I am repeatedly assured in these threads that the Palestinians are peaceful and are being wiped out because they're so peaceful!

You mean to tell me that there may be reasons to do with the Palestinians that would make other Muslim countries reluctant to take them in?!?!???

>>2371159
they have taken in millions

you mean to tell me there might be reasons why Palestinians would want to keep their homeland and not become refugees that can barely be supported by their host nations and live in squalor supported by the international dole

>>2371089
First of all, there are really only two sides of the Syrian civil war. Those who support Assad, and those who oppose him. ISIS being on the side that opposes him, although the "moderate rebels" funded by the US aren't officially affiliated with ISIS, they are still aligned with a common goal. This is why weapons given to the rebels turn up in the hands of ISIS, and this is also why you never see moderate rebels who actually fight ISIS. An exception is the Kurdish rebels, but they are hardly moderate and have been know to Massacre and behead Sunnis and shias.

>>2371165

They don't need to leave, their neighbours, who love them so much, could break their chains and just deal with them as a normal country from then on.

>>2371202
I agree that the Arab states should unify and drive Israel into the sea, and this was exactly their goal far into 1973

sadly the military confrontation went the other way, there is always the future though

the arab world has a much greater overall potential than Israel in the long term

>>2371208
>>2371202
*68

>>2371178
>there are really only two sides of the Syrian civil war

Don't be a retard, there are at least four sides in this war.

>they are still aligned with a common goal.

The only group that shares some (but not all) goals other than overthrowing Assad with ISIS is Tahrir al-Sham, but they still fight against each other.

>An exception is the Kurdish rebels, but they are hardly moderate and have been know to Massacre and behead Sunnis and shias.

Yeah, unlike Assad forces who have never ever beheaded anyone or commited any war crimes, amirite?

>>2370612
>they don't 'buy our shit', our aid to them is equal to their entire military budget
Israel's military budget is $18 billion while US annual aid is $3 billion so I don't know why you would so blatantly speak out of your ass on something easily searchable.

And yes, Israel does buy a lot of American weaponry. They also engage heavily with the United States in technological development, especially in regards to military equipment. Over half of all foreign aid to Israel from the US by law must be used to purchase American military equipment.

>yeah because keeping 40% of your population under duresses without any political power and regularly killing them, arresting them, and demolishing their houses in the name of racial purity is America values kek
What the fuck are you even talking about here? Who is this 40% of the population? If you are referring to the Israeli Arab community then you may have inflated your number by more than double.

>>2370634
>Because American foreign policy is controlled by Jews.
>>>/pol/

>>2370657
>I don't think you understand the military situation with ISIS even a tiny bit (israel is almost irrelevant here)
Israel is nowhere near irrelevant anywhere in the Middle East.

>>2370740
>after starting and winning the six day war
Yeah damn them for starting a war they should have just let the Arabs continue to mass troops on the border until they were strong enough to invade.

>Zionist policy was to occupy land, solidify a permanent 'factual' basis for occupation. And deny any political movements by the Arabs who they now administered.
That is why Israel returned the Sinai to Egypt and has made numerous attempts to return the West Bank to the Palestinians, right? I'm sure it was Israel's fault that Yasser Arafat walked away from the negotiation table to start an intifada when he was given a wonderful offer.

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>>2370543
Maybe because Palestine never existed as a nation ever? The PA and Gaza are autonomous due to Israeli generosity. If it wasn't for them you'd still be ruled by Egypt and Jordan

>>2370769
>Israel pre-emptively attacked egypts airforce after the surrounding arab states mobilized defensively. After multiple intelligence services including the soviets and usa noted a massive Israeli build up on the Syrian border.
The evidence was false and the Soviets lied. The US never reported such a build up, I don't know why you just lie like this. Also, Egypt blockaded the Strait of Tiran, which was a vital shipping route for the Israelis. That was a good enough casus belli

>>2370835
Not their fault, but you can't pretend that the Palestinians and general Arab nationalism are not heavily tied together. To pretend they are two completely separate entities is ludicrous.

>>2370881
>Israel only exists because of crying jews in america and uk sucking politician dick while the arabs actually pragmatically and realistically fought back in their homeland before 1949
Israel exists because Jews not only fought and died for it, but also because they actually know how to organize themselves. Israel only received foreign help during their War of Independence from Czechoslovakia, the US even had an arms embargo.

>>2370899
>Arab rule in Palestine
>Ever

>>2370967
I don't have time to address all of these, but half of them were about spying so I will tackle that. Literally every state spies on other states. The United States is known to spy on its allies too, don't pretend like Israel is the only country that does it.

>>2371044
Israel offered the West Bank back to Jordan but they abandoned their claim to the territory.

>>2371111
>They'll SURELY chip in to help aid their beloved brothers who have been oppressed so long, right?
Not a chance they would help, the only use Palestinians have to the Arab world is a bargaining chip, otherwise they don't give a fuck about helping them. If they did, Palestinians wouldn't be living in refugee camps.

>Then go and take back the border. By force if necessary.
This is a retarded idea

>>2370543
>USA does nothing
Why would the USA go to war with a nuclear armed nation that is of no geopolitical threat to them?

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>>2371208
>the arab world has a much greater overall potential than Israel in the long term
Oh look its the pan-arabist retard again.

>>2371230
>40% of the population
I was referring to the peroid between 1968 to 1994

>continue to let arabs mass
the israelis were massing on syrian border first
both sides were engaged in brinkmanship

The sinai was only returned after a lengthy war of attrition, the 1973 war and then years of painful negotiations that ended up with a hated Egypt and US. A failed foreign policy

>>2371296
>>2371230
The PCBS said 2.7 million Palestinians live in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, and 1.7 million live in the Gaza Strip. According to Israel's Central Bureau of Statistics, Israel's population at the end of 2012 stands at nearly 8 million, of whom 5.9 million are Jews and 1.4 million are Arabs

>>2371296
>I was referring to the peroid between 1968 to 1994
Muslims were not 40% of Israel's population at the time

>the israelis were massing on syrian border first
This was false intelligence that the Soviets passed on for some reason.

>>2371334
can I have a source on it being false intelligence please

>>2371337
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War#Background
Second paragraph

>>2371342
there is no source for that on wikipedia

while I wait for you to get a source, I think we can both agree that both sides were invested in the conflict, and were okay with war breaking out.

>>2371345
Just because the source is not a link to a webpage doesn't mean it isn't a source.

Anyway, here is a source from the CIA: https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/caesar-50.pdf

Just Ctrl + f "false" it will be the first one to pop up.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option

>>2371353
>It is wrong to threaten massive retaliation against countries which try to destroy you

>>2371359
hmm hmm *nods* yes isarel should be destroyed

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>>2371359
>defending global nuclear winter because your culture is parasitic

>>2371363
>>2371367
The Samson option is targeted at countries which threaten Israel, not the whole world.

Also, the US and pretty much every nuclear nation has essentially the same policy, jut most of them aren't threatened in the same way Israel is.

>>2371386
read

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option#Authors.27_opinions

>>2371398
>Authors opinions
The key part of this is that these are the opinions of authors, not military doctrine

why couldnt they just put israel in south america or siberia or something reeeee

>>2371251

>the only use Palestinians have to the Arab world is a bargaining chip, otherwise they don't give a fuck about helping them

And there we have it. THIS is why OP. Nope gives a shit about them because they're just awful in every way. Not even their fellow Muslims, who are religiously bound to help them, care outside of a handful of extremists with little actual power.

>>2371398

>Journalists
>Historians
>Poets

Seriously?

>>2371402
>>2371434
>why yes i, a random retard on a sudanese albatross skinning forum have a more valid view about the samson option than jews that actually live in israel
now why would you defend these crazy jews that for some reason have the idea that the nukes would be pointed at everybody on a global scale?

>>2371448

>journalists, historians and poets have a deep insight into current top secret military doctrine

>>2371461
>these crazy jews that for some reason have the idea that the nukes would be pointed at everybody on a global scale?

>>2371480

There's crazy people all over anon. The queen of England is an alien dinosaur. Some journalist said so. Is it true?>>2371480

>>2371487
In the 1973 Yom Kippur War, Arab forces were overwhelming Israeli forces and Prime Minister Golda Meir authorized a nuclear alert and ordered 13 atomic bombs be readied for use by missiles and aircraft. The Israeli Ambassador warned President Nixon of "very serious conclusions" if the United States did not airlift supplies. Nixon complied. This is seen by some commentators on the subject as the first threat of the use of the Samson Option.[17][18][19][20][21]

crazy people just like the israeli ambassador huh

>>2371502
>crazy people just like the israeli ambassador huh
There was no threat to bomb the United States and nothing the ambassador said even implies it.

>>2371448
>why yes i, a random retard on a sudanese albatross skinning forum have a more valid view about the samson option than jews that actually live in israel
Not an argument. Being Jewish and living in Israel (of which I fit half the criteria) does not make you an expert on Israeli military doctrine.

>>2370543
Israel legally obtained their land though.

>>2370992
Yeah but neither is a meme from anarcho capitalist

>>2370543
fuck off ben

>>2370543
>1947
>Most of the mandate of palestine is left outside of Israel
>Israel offers to negotiate further concessions
>Arabs say "fuck that" and just attack Israel because they're retarded
>Israel wins
>"WAAAAAH THE EVIL JEWS ATTACKED US!"

They brought it on themselves. Not to mention that Jordan forcibly annexed a decent portion of what was supposed to be Palestine. Why aren't we complaining about that, again?

>>2372947
who?