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Borders/Countries in medieval times

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Did people in medieval times see nation states in the same way we do today?
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>>2370324
No
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>>2370349
How did they see kingdoms like France? A collection of aristocrats?
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>>2370351
I mean, if you were French you probably didn't consider yourself "French" but instead as being from whatever village you were born in.

How foreign everything was correlated directly from how far away it was from you.

Look at it this way:
There are ~20 distinct regional dialects (depending on how much you split hairs when you count) in the US, a country spanning a continent.

In a tiny country like Ireland, people can tell what town you're from by the way you talk.
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>>2370324
Kind of.

From Ephraim Emerton:

>The principal of the medieval, feudal state is to be found in the division of what we call "sovereign powers" among a great number of persons...The same person was a military leader, judge, and tax gatherer...IN theory, the king had the supreme military, judicial, and financial control of the kingdom...[Society] felt very strongly the bonds which held individualds together in the smaller territorial groupds or in grades of social rank. It was a matter of comparative indifference to the man whether he were called a Frenchman, a German, or Englishman...But it was a matter of great importance to him whether he were a Gascon, a Norman, or a Saxon.

He goes on

>It is evident that under such a system of government, great national undertakings were impossible...The system could only survive so long as the sentiment of nationality remained weak.
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>>2370324
No.
Read Anderson's Imagined Communities. The preliminary chapters state the development of our recent understanding of nation states. Maybe also try Smith's book Nationalism.
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>>2370503
Most "dialects" in the US are dead or dying. Pretty much everyone outside of the deep south, Boston, and stretches of California are speaking American standard now.

Except for blacks, niggers very much have their own shitty dialects.
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>>2370660
And that has nothing to do with what we're talking about at all, does it?
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>>2370689
Except it does, you stupid, ignorant faggot. People don't always, or even usually, bring every last soldier to a battle. It is not uncommon or even noteworthy for a stronger state to lose a fight to a weaker one.


And i'm using examples from a different time period because it's blindingly fucking obvious that you know NOTHING about the one being discussed.
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>>2370729
Wrong thread, too many tabs.
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>>2370732
>>2370729
Come on fella
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>>2370729
>>2370732
awwwww :3 so cute
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>>2370729
>stupid, ignorant faggot

its like 7th grade all over again
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>>2370572
>Imagined Communities
its good?
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>>2370729
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>>2370351
The French king didn't have power outside Ile-de-France
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No.
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