Is God real?

Is equator real?

God is real within you, and within the universe. Is there a man in the sky? Probably not. But that doesnt mean there isnt a God within every living thing and within the collective conscious

>>2354595
If god is real why am i still on this website after 4 years

>>2354613
>woooo god is inside you woooooOOoo xD

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nop

Depends. Some gods are entirely falsifiable. Especially ones where lots of claims are made about them.

The only ones that can't really be falsified are vague deistic ideas and things of that nature. But the Abrahamic god Hindu gods, etc., can be proven 100% to be bullshit for any rational person.

we got more evidence for the big bang theory than some book written by dirty arabics, but whatever you wanna believe in man go for it

>>2354613
Yeah, that's probably bogus.

Just feel good mumbo jumbo!
God is a stupid word and spelled backwards is dog. A large majority of people who believe in god, don't believe in science!

Yes, there is some kind of thing. Nothing would exist unless, something happenef. You could call that something god if you want. We just have no clue as to what it is!

>>2354624
I believe in the Big Bang Theory

God said bang and it happened

The unmoved mover hypothesis can be extended to two bodies, as one needs to exert effort to create, it itself being distinct yet similar to the divine essence of reality. So there are at least two aspects of a creator force, which can be called God. That is accepting, of course, there being a definite beginning of creation.

>>2354613
If there can be a God within every living things, why not a Devil as well? Or a succubus?

>>2354595
No one sane would say with certainty.
But given all available data, it's unlikely a god exists as many believe. But they're only believers, not thinkers, so their mindless opinions are worthless.

>>2354595
Yes
No
Maybe
I don't know
Can you repeat the question?

>>2354645
prove it

>>2354682
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth

>>2354645
Heretic!

God said "Bang, Bang!"

>>2354682
>Here come the vague interpretations that adapt to my argument lol

>>2354675
YOU'RE NOT THE BOSS OF ME NOW

If "God" exists, then who created God? Checkmate, Christians (fairy tale believers)

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Is God a big guy?

>>2354685
And Stephen King said a giant turtle created the universe

fucking prove it

>>2354685
what is critical thinking

>>2354595
The world we experience with our senses is the one and only true reality. If we are to believe this then it is impossible for god to exist in this purely materialistic world.

He is real, he just replied.

That's a pretty dumb question, tho
who gives a shit? wether he exists or not, it's clear we can't comunicate with him, nor he with us. So he's as good as inexistent.

>>2355043
It could be possible for the great manitou to communicate with us, but like you said, how can anyone know for certain?

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>>2354988
G-God?

>>2354988
aw hell naw what up god

>>2354988
if you're god and not trolling pls make my oneitis my gf pls i beg come on man i only mastrubate 3 times a day there are guys in my class that do it like 10 times a day not even lying come on man pls

>>2354733
for us

>>2354720
Himself

>>2354988
>eight
>tfw I know the significance of octaves in Christianity

Thanks be to God!

>>2354622
>can be proven 100% to be bullshit
Do it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpaQpyU_QiM

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>>2354622

>But the Abrahamic god Hindu gods, etc., can be proven 100% to be bullshit for any rational person.

Alright then, go ahead and do it.

>>2354595

No.

Source: https://www.google.com/search?q=agent+orange+birth+defects&tbm=isch

>>2355421
>Cricket noises intensify

>>2354622

Issue. "entirely falsifiable" depends on severe grammatical emphasis.

If the gods have a psychology loop inserted for breaking their OODA...

Well you're only falsifying a minor set of a set. The gods could have loop within loop with atrocities painted in the most lurid red for the newborn mewlings rising from their paradise of Pandemonium.

Are leprechauns real?

Existence must logically precede consciousness, so there is no all-creating entity. One might logically accept the possibility of some entity that created things within an already pre-existing universe, but this is just a highly-advanced alien being as opposed to God.

>>2355936

>Existence must logically precede consciousness

^This basically is the main reason I don't believe we live in a god created universe. Although I personally wouldn't try to argue this is a logical necessity. Pure logic based arguments aside, all the evidence we have points to intelligence / consciousness emerging as one of the latest features of existence in every example we have available to look at. And intelligence / consciousness depends heavily on more preexisting biological scaffolding than any other feature of existence we know of. This makes intelligence / consciousness the worst candidate possible for a preexisting and timeless ground of reality that allows our universe to come into being. What you need for that ground of reality is a state that's the least built up and least dependent on preexisting scaffolding, the opposite of what intelligence / consciousness is.

>>2354942
No, the "materialistic" world we experiecne is a reuslt of compelx systems involving non human "observations".
Materia is a reuslt of our perception as well as the result of the perception of machines but theirs is different and thus perceives reality differently.

God exists but he is nothing like any human religion, actually in a million years after we are extinct, another intelligent form of life will evolve, form tribes, and one of THEIR desert shamans will receive a vision of the True God, not Jesus, sucks to be a homo sapiens I guess and have it all wrong.

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>>2356110
>implying "truth" is objective

>>2356110
prove these claims

>>2356189
I am merely a herald, a prophet who points to the future lord.

>>2354595
Maybe.

>>2356193
yeah and you need to prove it if you don't want to look like a fucking retard

>>2356202
Our species is too unevolved to be able to comprehend, the True Lord is waiting to reveal himself to his Chosen People in 1 million years from now.

>>2356202
Hold back man, he's got a point

>>2356212
and you can comprehend it? You lack so much self awareness you completely fail to realize how much of a cop out that is

>>2356265
Don't shoot me, I'm just the messenger.

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>>2354595
Who cares. His will would be just another obstacle between myself and my own will.

>>2356314
If you dick around with God he tends to dick back, and his dick is much bigger than yours.

>>2356330
I dunno, I have a pretty decent cock

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>>2356330
Wait what if God is female with a big dick though...

just kidding haha

>>2356298
back up your claims, because it's getting really obvious that you just made that shit up. Nutjobs like you are the reason no god discussion will ever be taken seriously. If you had any idea of what you're talking about you wouldn't be dancing around the idea of proof. I am amazed retards like you are even capable of operating a computer.

>>2354613
i like this idea. and the idea that god is really just the collective will of all lifeforms.

but in reality god is a hypothesis that i can never see being properly proved right or wrong. so to me it is a useless question and not worth bothering myself with, other than for the fun of making up weird theories.

but i believe the essence of god is just the feelings of spirituality that seems integrated into our brains. so although we will likely never figure out whether god is real I believe that we can eventually figure out what drives the spirituality behind it and why it and similar things in various religions are such prevalent theories

https://youtu.be/ZerWs3aY5Sc

>>2356351
God, as I conceive and have interacted with, is an entity separate from all lifeforms. He is not against or inherently with the actions of his designs, and has wholesale slaughtered his own creation before.

He is a being which interacts with his population as a being. As a divine entity with a will and character of his own.

To be honest, if there existed someone who he blessed and everyone was against that person, hypothetically, he would side with just that person.

>>2356346
It doesn't mater if you don't believe me, since our race was never meant to experience the True God in any way, we are merely a precursor for the Enlightened One's to receive the gift later.

>>2354595
Certainly not one that any human has come up with.

>>2356385
Yet you still can't prove anything you're saying nor can you explain how you reached this conclusion, despite you claiming god is too much to comprehend anyway. You made it up, and you keep denying you made it up. Actually kill yourself.

>>2356379
yeah i dunno, ive had a religious experience too where I felt god but it didnt seem like he had much of a character or a human-like will, but rather the all-knowing, omnipresent god who is beyond the human understanding of morality/good and evil.

but i still dont "believe" in god even if I have felt god before for reasons mentioned in my last post, and the god I felt isnt even necessarily my favorite theory for what god is.

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>>2356169
Is that true?

Why can't people conjoin science and religion? Is it impossible?

>>2356611
"conjoining" science and religion is just conjuring god of the gaps arguments over and over again and hoping people don't pay attention

OEC's are retards. The same type of people who tried to attribute lightning to the gods in ages past.

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>>2356611

Absolutely, God is only not obvious to those that reject Him.
>>2356351
Fuck off sperglord. Fallibility is a non-concept only present in bad philosophy.

>>2356391
Wrong.
>>2356611
Because science is garbage philosophy while religion is a somewhat meaningless term for something all-encompassing.

'Conjoining' the two in the current year, as so many idiots try to do, is only to make religion further subservient to the secular state and its official faith.

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Why does everyone have to be so ducking yes or no. Why can't we all agree that agnosticism is the wisest and most rational thing to be.

>>2356771
Because it isn't.

Because it is dishonest.

Because rationality doesn't exist.

>>2356771
Because agnosticism is positivism and fucking irrational.

>>2357933
>rationality is a spook
>math is a spook
>gender is a spook
getting real sick of this shit

What the fuck is wrong with people? Why do you believe in some magical sky man?!
How do you even operate a computer?

>>2357968
What has one thing to do with the other?

>>2357968
reality is absurd enough as it is
the idea of a magic sky man isn't any more far fetched than life itself.

You have to believe in Him to get eternal happiness you sperg

hey guys, so i kind of believe that there might be some kind of higher power, but i don't really have emotional connection to it, no religion makes me feel moved. but of course i do my best to do good things and avoid bad things.

so will i go to heaven ?

>>2354595
maybe

>>2356771
lol @ phoneposters

>>2356398
You seem kinda mad about something.

>>2354595
I do belive in a creator of the universe, but i don't necessarily call him "god". My life has been filleddd with cases of EXTREME luck, things i simply can't dismiss as luck.

>>2357953
>>2357953
It's not a spook, it merely does not exist.

Fuck off back to leshit with your dishonesty. hurr durr i doubt everything except my le senses and le science and le media and le leshit because these are obviously all self-evidently OBJECTIVELY true
>>2357968
t. hatman
>>2358070
You don't do good things, you only do bad.

>>2354595
specify which one you mean

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>>2354988
Just tell me what to do

>>2354988
Dubs mean it's true.

>>2354595
>Is God real?

Yes. The principle of causality leads me to this conclusion.

>>2358652
Then what caused God?

>>2354595
No

>>2358662
God is neither the chain of causality, nor is he a part of this chain. He is the one who allows for causality to exist, dummy. That's what the principle of causality is.

>>2358662
Who told you God required a cause?

Who told you God is a created being?

Find that person and bitch slap them for lying to you.

>>2358818
So everything is continuous except for God then? Based on what?

>>2358820
see
>>2358652

>>2358846
>Based on what?

Based on the fact that causality can't run without God. Causality itself is an evident innerworldly principle. It is self explanatory from inside the system. Otherwise the single part of the system would stand alone for themselves and would have no relationship to each other. The joke now is that it can not exist in itself and necessarily needs something that holds it together. The conclusion is that this something can not be a part of it and needs to be outside of it. The existence of God is an extrapolation from the principle of causality.

>>2359031
Newton says otherwise.

>>2359055
Was a Christian

>>2359082
Doesn't matter. His physics say otherwise.

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>>2355421
Epicurus did it thousands of years ago.

>>2359055
I think you didn't get my point.

>>2354595
Start proving from a smaller person. Try ask: Is ghost real?

>>2359104
This is the intelligence of atheists

>>2359096
I get your point. It's justwrong because causality is irrelevant.

>>2359031
What caused God?

>>2354662
Well said

>>2359138
No, you didn't.
What constitutes a system? The sum of it's parts? Then does it come after it's parts are completed? Not necessarily. If we take the universe as an example we still see new space being created. However the universe existed since the Big Bang where not all of it's current parts have been born yet. The correct answer is that the universe and a number of it's parts have been in existence since the Big Bang and are linked together. We see this system of parts as a unity. The problem is that this unity can not come out of the system itself, because no matter what there are still multiple parts to it, if analyzed. The unifying force necessarily needs to be of a higher quality than the universe itself and outside of it.

>>2359198
>Big Bang where not all of it's current parts have been born yet
Wrong. All that exists now existed at the big bang.

>The correct answer is that the universe and a number of it's parts have been in existence since the Big Bang and are linked together.
Linked together by space and time.

>The unifying force necessarily needs to be of a higher quality than the universe itself and outside of it.
Why?

>>2355421
It's honestly rather simple and it works for all theistic deities whether you're talking about a singular deity or a whole pantheon of them. It all falls down to this: Magic isn't possible. Resurrection of Christ? Magical bullshit.

Minerva bursting out of the head of Jupiter? Magical bullshit.

Ragnarok? Magical bullshit.

Parting of the Red Sea by Moses? Magical bullshit.

Mohammed getting special instructions about a book to write from supposed angels? Magical bullshit.

Christian God is. Others are false gods

>>2359214
>Why?

Read Plotin. The sum of it's parts is not the system because the system is a term of unity. You can not break unity apart into more parts. The term 'universe' is a concept that is singular. If it is singular and is not dependent on the sum of it's parts to give it the characteristic of singularity then it needs to be made a singular concept from outside of it.

>>2359330
The universe is the sum of its parts. That's how it's defined. And I fail to see how you can't break a system into smaller systems, if said system consists of smaller systems.

>>2354595
If you have to even ask this question, then most likely not.

>>2359350
>The universe is the sum of its parts. That's how it's defined. And I fail to see how you can't break a system into smaller systems, if said system consists of smaller systems.

If part of the universe were to disappear the rest would still be a universe. The concept that the universe is one entity cannot be given to the universe by virtue of it's parts. The force that makes the parts into one entity is something above that entity. This concept unity cannot be broken down into more parts because of it's singular nature. It cannot be seen from inside the system, it can only be extrapolated because we see the unity in it.

>>2359401
There is no force that makes the parts one entity. The universe is not a thing. The universe is everything.

>>2354595
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiMqzN_YSXU

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>>2354595

Stop being an atheist.

>>2358253
People like that are the death of rational discourse.

>>2359031
if everything needs a cause then god also must have a cause, god can't magically be an exception just because you say so.

>>2356611

If religion is objectively proven by the scientific method then its science. Stop thinking of science as something other than advanced natural philosophy.

>>2354595
Kek is demonstrably real.

>>2354622
No they aren't.
>But the Abrahamic god Hindu gods, etc., can be proven 100% to be bullshit for any rational person.
Wrong, go tip your fedora elsewhere.
>>2359089
No he didn't, you idiot
>>2359218
Why can't magic happen? muh fefes?
.

>>2356336
Heathen

>>2356771
>ducking

>>2360624
The idea of Kek is demonstrably real, but whether that idea contains within itself its own reality is yet to be ascertained.

>>2354615
Free will, I suppose You make a choice to still be on this website.

>>2354624
Right, we know about the Big Bang theory, I believe it was a Christian who invented it. Now can you explain why the Big Bang happened? What caused the Big Bang to happen?
That's the next questions you need to look at.

>>2361232
>>Why can't magic happen? muh fefes?
No, more like muh physics and muh reality and muh not being a paranoid schizoprhenic loonybird like most so called "prophets".

>>2354615
>after 4 years

I've been here for 7 now it doesn't get better.

>>2362639
>he's not in the double digits

>>2362192
>physics
Not substantiated
>reality
Ideology attached to existence
>anybody i dont like is le crazy

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>>2362693
>>physics
>Not substantiated
What did he mean by this?

Probably not, but maybe.

>>2362693
How so? All or Most of the stuff I mentioned in >>2359218
is the very definition of not physically possible.

>>2362693
>>Ideology attached to existence
Hah, no. Try a lack of comforting delusions.

>>anybody i dont like is le crazy
Except I don't dislike neopagans and me calling religious people crazy was hyperbole on my part.

>>2362809
>presupposing physics to confirm physics
Enjoy you're 11th grade physics class.
>>2362863
>is the very definition of not physically possible.
According to? Your ideology?
>Hah, no. Try a lack of comforting delusions.
That's all you have, you are the very image of der Letzte Mensch.
>Except I don't dislike neopagans and me calling religious people crazy was hyperbole on my part.
wow so fucking rational maaaan you sure are free of bias and delusion and ideology

>>2362893
>>According to? Your ideology?
According to the way reality actually works as best we have been able to determine. Lightning is not the work of Zeus, It is impossible to walk across water, a person cannot come back from the dead after a relatively short period of time of clinical death, oceans do not part because some random heeb tells them to, gigantic wolves both do not exist and cannot devour stars if they somehow did and the delusions of arab merchants are not actually messengers.

This is not a matter of ideology, it is about recognizing that the real world functions very differently from the way that people who made up these stories think the world worked.

>>That's all you have, you are the very image of der Letzte Mensch.
All I have is at least some knowledge of how the real world actually functions, all you have is insults.

>>wow so fucking rational maaaan you sure are free of bias and delusion and ideology
On this one specific thing I am in fact as free as it is possible to be from bias, delusion and ideology.

>>2354595
Which one?

>>2362930
>According to the way reality actually works as best we have been able to determine.
Reality doesn't exist, reality is ideology attached to existence. Your ideology.
>the rest
You only believe this cannot happen because you are an ideologue that constructs under that ideology.
>This is not a matter of ideology, it is about recognizing that the real world functions very differently from the way that people who made up these stories think the world worked.
According to your ideology. m-m-mm-uh epistemologically weak philosophy is correct because i accept another epistemologically weak philosophy so obviously im right
>All I have is at least some knowledge of how the real world actually functions, all you have is insults.
Knowledge doesn't exist, there is no real world. All you have is delusions, Letzter Mensch.
>On this one specific thing I am in fact as free as it is possible to be from bias, delusion and ideology.
Far from it.

>>2354988
And with those digits too! At long last.

>>2362949
>>reality doesn't exist
Go outside and try to flap your wings like a bird and see if you can fly. Report back with results.

>>You only believe this cannot happen because you are an ideologue that constructs under that ideology.
No, these things cannot happen because they are not actually possible.

>>According to your ideology. m-m-mm-uh epistemologically weak philosophy is correct because i accept another epistemologically weak philosophy so obviously im right
Again wrong, this isn't about ideology nor is it about philosophy. Supernatural stuff, magic, miracles, whatever you wish to call it, it just doesn't actually exist.

>>Far from it.
wrong again.

>>2363094
>Go outside and try to flap your wings like a bird and see if you can fly. Report back with results
Learn to read you fucking idiot.
>No, these things cannot happen because they are not actually possible.
According to your ideology.
>Again wrong, this isn't about ideology nor is it about philosophy. Supernatural stuff, magic, miracles, whatever you wish to call it, it just doesn't actually exist.
According to your ideology.
>wrong again.
No kiddo you actually are a major ideologue.

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What does /his/ think of 'The Last Superstition'?

>>2354988
>God replies
>gets dubs
Of course

>>2363428
Why would one read a book that makes a self-evident point?

>>2363380
>According to your ideology
Are you saying that you and the other anon use alternative facts? Ebin

>>2363428
super stitches make great britches

>>2363468
Facts don't exist. Go back to /r/TheGuardian.

>>2354942

What in the fuck are you talking about? Your senses are wrong all the damn time. This isn't even a scientific view-point you have

>>2363494
Wew, sensing a lot of freshman's year of philosophy here

>>2354988

>implying every post in this thread including the OP isn't God just having a laugh

>>2363507
Yes, you sense it in yourself.

>>2363516
good alternative fact :^)

>>2363380
>>t.idiot
Nice blatant exclamation of idiocy.

>>Learn to read you fucking idiot.
lol That's rich coming from a deluded moron like you.

>>2363563
I'm the only non-deluded one here. Enjoy being bound to a meme ideology made up by some Greek cunt.