Abrahamic religions

Christianity is the oldest one, and therefore legitimate. judaism and islam are newer.

>>2351420
Christianity because of its ability to evolve and generate different philosophies. Also because of the fundamental dissatisfaction with the current world it instills in its believers. This facilitates a drive to change the fabric of society, rather than simply to dominate it. I am not a Christian, btw.

>>2351420
Best = Christianity. Teachings are the closes to the Truth. Actually recommends precepts which will advance your soul. Christ conquered death and life and by accepting it and following his teachings we are also saved. A nice mix of Greek philosophy and Near Eastern theological thought. Europeans turned it into something truly unique and aesthetic.

Second it best is Islam. Its a mix of Christianity and Asiatic tyranny.

Worst is Judaism. autistically following a law code, hating everyone else and circlejerking your supposed "chosen blood" that no one cares about.

>>2351420
Judaism is the best one because it is the one which promotes intellectual pursuit and ambition the most.

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Judaism. Judaism is probably my favourite religion on the planet

>God is explicitly not omnibenevolent, thus avoiding the problem of evil
>God is explicitly one indivisible, infinite entity. So no trinity nonsense
>Very nice aesthetics
>Very interesting history
>Holy book is organized and fun to read. Not like the Qur'an or the new testament
>Less contradictions
>More interesting history
>Jesus is clearly not the messiah.

>>2351430


I love this meme. The doublethink is so beautifully shameless.

>>2351485
it's not a meme. judaism is a shell of it's former self, a completely different entity from what you see in the old testament.

>>2351485

I think people say that Rabbinic Judaism is younger than Christianity, while every other Jewish sect has died off. So of the original Jewish religion grew into Christianity and Judaism, with Christianity being the younger of the two.

>>2351491

And you think Christianity is any different? The religion that Jesus preached is only casually resembling the one that Paul preached, let alone what modern adherents practice.

To call one a brand new religion but consider the other a continuation of some revered icon's work is possible only by drinking a lot of the kool-aid.

>>2351420
Judaism and Christianity are both bad. The >green one looks the based

>>2351420

None of them.

If i have to choose, i choose the ancient tradition of the roman "domestic cult"

Abrahamic religions are "meme" tier

>>2351491
Except by the end of the old testament the Jews were a bunch of displaced, oppressed, people increasingly centred around the rabbis rather than the temple.

Not to mention it's partly Christianity and Islam's fault that in thousands of years little has changed in this respect.

>>2351500

"People" don't say that. 4chan DEUS VULT christposters say it as a way to try to legitimize Christianity, and use some very shaky logic to do so. I can't even think of published Christian theologians who make that claim.

By the way, you haven't seen the complete die off of competing sects of Judaism. You still have a few Karaites and Samaritans around.

>>2351513
at least they had a temple

>>2351500
Samaritans are still just about going and they're pretty old.

You also have Karaites that simply don't bother with the Talmud.

>>2351515
For much of the old testament they didn't either.

>>2351462
>Jewish accomplishments don't hold a candle to Christian accomplishments but THEY promote intellectual pursuits and ambition
more like they promote sleezy play and debate.

>>2351519
they still had a sacrifice

>>2351524
Is that why Jews run the former-Christian world?

>>2351443
Judaism because of its ability to evolve and generate different philosophies. Also because of the fundamental dissatisfaction with the current world it instills in its believers. This facilitates a drive to change the fabric of society, rather than simply to dominate it. I am not a Jew, btw.

>>2351527
Yes actually.

>>2351526
Maybe it's for the best that they stopped thatt.

>>2351420
All three of them are equally garbage compared to something like neo-paganism, and yes I'm aware about all the tiresome larper jokes, and sorry the three abrahamic dipshit faiths still suck in comparison to that.

>>2351526

Some of the time. For large segments of their "history" in the OT, they weren't sacrificing for one reason or another.
For that matter, what makes the sacrifices the essential component of "authentic" Judaism? You have quite a few instances in the OT of prophets speaking for God saying that they're doing it wrong by an over focus on animal offerings.

I think 4chan should identify with the Jews
>Bunch of widely disliked, social outcasts spread all over the world that that self-segregate from the normies AKA gentiles. Very elitist.

>>2351430
Judaism is far older than Christianity.

>>2351472
This 100%

>>2351554

i have a jewish friend and if i wanted to, i could convert to it probably without much difficulty.

don't know where this elitist meme comes from. i would argue that islam is more elitist

>>2351577
I mean elitist in the sense that Judaism holds you to very high standards as to how to righteously live, whereas Islam and especially Christianity are much more relaxed.

>>2351586
Considering how the pharisees live they obviously don't, or have a rather skewed view of what righteous means.

>>2351591

Not the guy you're responding to, but Pharisees haven't really existed for close to 1,500 years, and guys like Hillel lived "righteously" by any conventional standard. It's really only in the NT that they're portrayed as a bunch of autistic hypocrites, which, given the source, is something you should probably take with a grain of salt.

>>2351600
Since rabbinical Judaism is the spawn of pharisaism and is obviously the same faith after a period of time it's fairly relevant.

>>2351472
Upvote.

Why don't people get this?

>>2351586
>Judaism holds you to very high standards

Bastards.

>>2351591
They do though. Consider what Jews have to do on the Sabbath
>No electricity
>No buying or selling
>No cooking
>No lighting or putting out any fires
>No writing
>No travelling in a vehicle
>No gardening
>No laundry
>And more

Whereas in Christianity it's pretty much just
>Go to mass
>The end.

>>2351586

i don't know what you mean by that especially since islam has you pray several times per day and constantly fast for a month

i would argue that more standards to follow is better because it separates the people who want spiritually and community in their life from drunks who want to call themselves as much of a christian as mr rogers or mother teresa

>>2351621
First off, it isn't fair to compare the lax behavior of modern Christian to devout Jews, while ignoring the fact that most modern Jews are just as lax or more so than Christians in the West.

If you're going to be fair and compare devout Jews to devout Christians, than I'd say that even today most countries in Europe have the shops closed on sundays. This being said, Sabbath was made for man. Not man for the Sabbath.

>>2351630
>i don't know what you mean by that especially since islam has you pray several times per day and constantly fast for a month
You have to pray 3 times a day during Judaism. Halal is much less restrictive than Kosher. Judaism doesn't have a fast month, but there are a number of fast days, and fasts are often used for repentance for sins.

Here's a list of the basic commandments of Judaism, although there are some more specifics and eloborations in the Talmud:
http://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm

>>2351630
It probably is for the best, but that's besides the point. I'm not saying it's good or bad. I'm just saying it's the case.

>>2351637
>If you're going to be fair and compare devout Jews to devout Christians, than I'd say that even today most countries in Europe have the shops closed on sundays.
The thing is there's still quite a jump between closing on Sundays and not cooking, driving or using any electricity all day.

>>2351637


Not the guy you're responding to, but

>This being said, Sabbath was made for man. Not man for the Sabbath.

Would also be agreed upon by a devout Jew, only that the notion of what constitutes "rest" would be different. Mainstream Jewish theology holds man as a junior partner in creation with God, who deliberately made the world imperfectly in order to have things smoothed over by humans. The "resting" to be done on the Sabbath is a deliberate refraining from the civilizing and productive impulses that most people exercise a lot of the time, and not rest in the sense of "oh, this is backbreaking labor, time to take a break".

>>2351659
>>2351663
I'm not arguing Jews aren't prevented from doing more on the Sabbath so much as its a theological difference between the two religions as opposed to "Christians are lazy."

>>2351674
I'm not saying Christians are lazy either. Just that Christianity is somewhat more relaxed compared to Judaism.

>>2351472
>very interesting history
>>>>more interesting history

You've said that twice now. Now im excited about what your going to tell me all this interesting history is about.

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>>2351679
The Arab-Israeli war.

That's enough interesting history for any nation.

>>2351430
>Christianity is the oldest one
wut

>>2351420
Christianity is the best cause i like to keep my foreskin. Followed by islam and lastly judaism.

The followers of said religions are a different matter. Jewish religion practictioners tge best cause they at least keep their shit to themselves. Then Islam cause it's done less harm worldwide throughout history vs Christianity. Also I can never forgive them for what they did to Mesoamerican civs.

Jews don't have a 'convert or you go to hell' thing in their religion.

>>2351679
Dude, it's dope as fuck
>Greco-Jewish philosophical disagreements
>The Herods under Roman rule
>The Jewish-Roman wars
>The Kingdom of Khazaria, although those Jews were most likely Karaite
>Himyarite Kingdom in southern Arabia and their wars with Ethiopian tribes
>Golden age of Judaism in Muslim Spain
>Study of Medieval Antisemitism and Christian-Jewish relations in Europe
>The reformation of Judaism in the 19th century leading to early Zionism
>The modern Arab-Israeli conflict

There aren't a ton of meme wars to jerk off to, so it's probably not for /his/ plebs.

>>2351761

>Not including the debates between the Karaites and the Gaons in the late 10th-early 11th century.

Pfeh.

>>2351761
cool thanks

>>2351770
I didn't include a lot of stuff, like the origins of Chassidism, the Chabbad movement, or the development of American Jewry which probably deserve to be on a basic list of Jewish historical topics.

I thought Jews and Christians could go to heaven in Islam. Even if they don't convert, it's just harder I think. Am I wrong?

>>2351472
>God is explicitly not omnibenevolent, thus avoiding the problem of evil

So like with ancient polytheism

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>>2351420
>Judaisim
we're better than everyone else
>Islam
pretty obvious its just a warlord telling lies to give him as much power as possible. Changes the torah and New Testament to suit his own needs, like having multiple wives

>Christianity
all about preaching forgiveness, loving thy neighbor, not started by anyone to increase their political gains

Gloria en excelcis Deo

>>2352197

Yes. It has been abrogated. They cannot go to heaven according to the actual book. But that hasn't stopped Muslims from cherrypicking verses to make it seem like they can.

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>>2351420

Judaism:
Pros:
- Beautiful, well-written sections in holy book that tell real stories
- Classic narrative of God's chosen people
cons:
- Holy book is vicious in sections and concentrates a lot on why the Jews should own Israel
- Jews are persecuted just about everywhere through just about all of history

Christianity:
Pros:
- Major figure is almost always peaceful and advocating love thy neighbour
- Compelling memes causing people to believe and proselytize
Cons:
- The vicious stuff is reserved for the afterlife, basically threatening people with what they can't know directly
- Have to do mental gymnastics to accept one God but also Trinity concept

Islam:
Pros:
- Holy book lyrical, written directly as received by the Prophet, not mediated by someone else
- Powerful central messages of generosity and judgement day
Cons:
- Holy book basically impossible to read straight through, dwells on war a lot
- Having to learn classical Arabic is alienating to a lot of potential converts

All of them together:
Pros:
- Give societies common beliefs, stories that they can share across gender, age and ethnic boundaries
- Give societies a moral foundation on which to build
Cons:
- Cause moral codes to ossify and not change as appropriate with the times
- Cause conflict of one major Abrahamic religion against one or both others

>>2352434
>Cause moral codes to ossify and not change as appropriate with the times
Plus they're anti-sex and anti-nudity.

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>>2351555
Except it totally isn't in any way.

Rabbinic Judaism is a direct result of the destruction of the Second Temple by the Romans.

Furthermore, the vast bulk of evidence indicates that the Hebrew religion prior to the Babylonian captivity had much more in common with the religions of other cultures and races in the same region than its successors in rabbinic and Talmudic Judaism.

Whatever it was that Abraham was practicing was NOT "Judaism" as we think of it

>>2352525
>believing that Abraham actually existed
>2017

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>>2352532

So instead of referencing the handy-dandy go-to patriarch character, I'm supposed to autistically spell out that I was referring more generally to the half-bedouin bastard Canaanite substrate that formed into what we now call the "Hebrews"?

Pound it up your ass you pedantic swine

>>2352548
Touchy, touchy. No one knew exactly what you meant by "Abraham".
Given your clarification, I agree with you. The Bible is replete with evidence that Judaism was a merging of more than one separate religion: different names for God, different creation narratives, etc.

>>2352434
>Holy book lyrical, written directly as received by the Prophet, not mediated by someone else
Muhammad was illiterate, it was literally mediated by the scribes that recorded his words. Have you ever once looking into Islam?

>>2351420

Christianity promote a "turn the other cheek" ideology, and a universalist worldview which led to the incapacity of the Europeans to defend themselves against the rapefugees.

Islam also promote an EXTREMELY universalist worldview which led to the colonization and conquest of the Semitic Homeland by Non-Semitic Muslim people like the Kurds and the Turks, and racemixing .

Judaism on the other hand is a tribal religion where serving your race is serving God, which protected the Jews against universalism and racemixing, it also helped them to take control of the Modern World.

tl.:dr Christianity = beta leftie nu male; Islam = Antifa cuck; Judaism = Based racialist right-winger