The stunning incompetence of Mexico during the Texas Revolution

>>2348678
It really was, most of the Texan rebel leaders were just con artists and even with so few numbers they still managed to win

It was worse when americans gave the comanches free reign to invade and plunder the mexican countryside
Thats right, Mexico was btfo by an indian tribe with little resistance
Shit was so bad mexican politicians were afraid of finding indians freely roaming Mexico City

>>2348737
Huh? Sam Houston was by all historical accounts a very compassionate, astute, and benevolent guy. He continually showed mercy to enemy combatants, and cared deeply about the well-being of his own troops. He once asked the Tejanos in his army to stay back from an engagement so they wouldn't accidentally get friendly fired in a clash, but they refused because they wanted to fight for him, so he had them wear some identification to prevent any accidental friendly fire.

>>2348800
Yeah Sam Houston was an exception but I was mostly talking about Bowie and Travis

>>2348775
Mexico was destined to be shit right from the get go because they didn't have a brilliant aristocracy like the founding fathers at the time to draft a proper constitution and governing order.

A self-promoting retard like Santa Anna somehow kept duping people in to letting him run the country and turning it in to an effectual dictatorship despite his numerous continual failures, and even today, Mexicans still idolize that dumbass for some reason.

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>The Mexican generals were FULLY aware that the Texian army was nearby prior to this conflict
>They even were able to successfully call reinforcements to bolster their army in anticipation of the eventual clash
>They were not actually trapped in to it but CONSCIOUSLY and WILLINGLY chose to fortify in one of the dumbest spots imaginable that made retreat basically impossible

Yet, this battle literally still happened somehow.

>>2348678
>brown people fighting white people in man to man warfare

found the problem, you can't beat white people in conventional wars, you can only beat them by outbreeding

>>2348872
>Mexicans still idolize that dumbass for some reason
He's literally considered the worst villain in Mexican history m8, no idea where you got that people idolize him

>>2348958
>rodesian civil war
>italo ethiopian war
>eastern front

>>2348872
They could have with the French-Austrian thing but they preferred to have Juarez who fucked over the few institutions the country had. Diaz was a competent ruler but you don't run a country with one man.

>>2348958
The Texian army had some brown people too (Tejanos), and the generals on both sides were white.

It was more like an Anglo vs Spanish conflict.

>>2348958
didn't the Ottomans do pretty well against the Russians in ww1?

>>2348994
I knew people would be pedantic, I meant the vast majority of the times

>>2349048
Didn't the Ottomans lost way too many soldiers by attacking without proper equipment, like winterclothing straight through the mountains, resulting in them losing most of their army. The rest of the war, under German guidance, cause German was almost the only competent army of the Entente during Wo I, they fought decentish

>>2348971
My bad then. Just from what I've read about him, it kind of sounded like most Mexicans still view him positively simply because of his contributions in gaining independence from Spain.

>>2349088
He did pretty much nothing, was with the loyalists until they switched.
It's also his doing that Iturbide was exiled, when we needed the guy, since he was good for unity.

Or that time the US army entered and conquered Mexico City with 7000 soldiers;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_for_Mexico_City

Top keks kekeh

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How
does
this
happen?

>>2349114
With everyone divided and no one assisting the federal government because fuck those centralist fucks
Yucatán was pretty much independent, the north wanted nothing to do with the federal government, Central America had already left.

>>2348678
well what happened was that first Santa Anna was stupid

When a group of americans asked for permission to live in Texas México conceded, "nobody lived here anyway"

Then, years latter the new texans declared their independence and the dumbass marched straight to Texas with the mexican army to crush the rebellion, wich was army only in name because they weren't soldiers, just a bunch of farmers without training and in some cases weapons.

So our heroic president and army went to texas and with an extraordinary demonstration of incompetence got cucked

With our illustrous president/emperor/dictator/joke of a leader captured the texans told him "if you let us be independent we will release you" and so our brave Santa Anna conceded.

by the way, the plan of the US all along, when Texas anexed itself to our neighbor after some years the US in their expansionism tried to buy California and when it didn't work they declared war with México

Not as embarrassing as Vietnam Tbh.
Fucking farmers.

>>2349114
The result of the Mexican-American war really wasn't all that surprising. Mexico never stood a chance vs the US. America could have easily annexed the entirety of Mexico if they wanted.

The Texas Revolution on the other hand should legitimately make them feel ashamed. I don't think anyone expected the Texians to gain independence so quickly and decisively without major support from the US.

The ultimate plan probably was to let the war drag out a bit, let both sides suffer some attrition, and then the US would jump in on the side of Texian rebels with the agreement of immediate annexation following the war, and unconditionally be split up to balance the slave state/free state dynamic.

Actual Texas independence even for a brief time seemed like a far-fetched reality I'm sure to most people. Texas wasn't supposed to win like they did.

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don't forget that in those years actually almost nobody lived there, Texas, New México, Arizona, Alta y Baja California was just a bigass desert with indians and bisons, you just got there and made them extint

>>2348994

>Rhodesian civil war

you just proved his point

>>2349181
The US had a much better K/D than the Vietcong, and had to fight a war away in incredibly challenging territory. They were also likely very close to obtaining enemy surrender, but public pressure at home forced Nixon to pull out prematurely.

The Vietnam war isn't nearly as embarrassing as the Texas Revolution.

>>2349236
>Nixon

but Nixon was the one who secured the major peace agreement.

It was a Democratic congress that later failed to honor the terms South Vietnam agreed to after the North decided to invade again.

>>2349181
>can't invade North Vietnam because they border China and China has nuclear weapons
>North Vietnam keeps sending down dudes
>US kills said dudes
>US consistently kills 10 of these dudes for every one US soldier killed
>this eventually adds up, as the US begins to develop dude killcounts in the hundreds of thousands
>eventually the US gets tired of playing whackamole with little yellow communists, and tells the South Vietnamese government to shape up or fuck off
>they don't shape up

But yeah, Vietnam couldn't happen without Chinese nukes.

>>2349245
But Thieu refused to sign the peace agreement until he was told that the alternative was a total, unilateral US withdrawal.

Vietnamization wasn't working, and the agreement had a "stay in place" provision for North Vietnamese forces in the south. It wasn't a total surrender, but it was a pretty slim chance for the South to survive.

>>2349270
>it was a pretty slim chance for the South to survive

especially if the one for one material replacement provision is completely abandoned without any warning by political hacks desu

>>2349360
This is true.

But really, ARVN sucked enough that it's very questionable they could ever fill the void left when the US left.

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>>2349662
Smuggity smug

>>2349181
reminded me of the French Intervention in Mexico desu

>>2349088
I dunno if there are people in the south that like him, but while learning about the secession of Texas last year in public preparatory school he was painted as a total idiot and opportunistic fraud. Dude had a fucking military funeral for his blown off leg and renounced his position out of shame after getting fucked up by a bunch of hicks.

>>2348954
This is one of the most baffling encounters I've read about in history

The Mexicans had every advantage and literally just threw themselves into this encounter for no reason

>>2348678
is this the best example of a legitimate fifth column in history?

>>2349256
it doesn't matter how many farmers they killed if the farmers still won

>>2351664
Well, it's more like

>farmers and two superpowers with nuclear deterrents preventing anyone from actually fighting back