hmm....

>@stopbeingapleb
lol

>>2342708
Really makes me :thinking:

:thinking:

>>2342708
>Charles-Marie-Photius Maurras (French: [ʃaʁl moʁas]; 20 April 1868 – 16 November 1952)

So a guy who never actually lived under a monarchy tries to explain how monarchies are totally run by one guy in a fancy hat?

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Remember to save this for future monarchy threads.

>>2342767
Well the US just elected Donald Trump soooo....

>>2342767
>King George was mad
>the British monarchy did not fail
MYTH BUSTED LOL

>>2342767
With such low voter turn-out, you only need ~30% of the country to be stupid, deceived, or evil. That's really not unimaginable at all.

>>2342810
STOP spreading misinformation, George lltk (Long Live the King) did NOT rule after he was stricken with the madness

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regency_era

>>2342815
So you're saying that the monarchy did not in fact fail when the monarch took leave of his senses?
:3

>>2342723
Actually, he lived under one for three years.

As an infant.

>>2342708
>Monarchy vs Democracy
false dichotomy
>For a monarchy to work...
lots of things need to happen actually
>one man must be wise
says who? Do kings not employ a bureaucracy?
>For deomcracy to work...
lots of things have to happen actually
>...must be wise
says who?

>>2342837
He hated that monarchy, though

>>2342708
I'm not worried about how wise they are, I'm worried about their motives.

>monarchy is tryannical dictatorship

>democracy is mob rule

>>2342830
the monarchy worked best when the monarch didn't rule it

>>2342708
So monarchists believe in putting every last egg in one basket?

>People still fall Monarchical propaganda

Oh how comfortable you are in your lives.

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>>2342953
My kind of monarchy

>>2342875
Well, it is. The only actual democracy is mob rule. The representative system we have now is not democracy, it's a charade with influential oligarchy pulling the strings behind the curtain and having retards believe they actually rule by having them engage in a political equivalent of American Idol every 4 years. My argument for monarchy or even an aristocratic republic is that it at least recognizes this as an integral part of human nature and codifies it into its framework, instead of having unaccountable, hidden elites ruling the system secretly.

>>2342708
>Using Charles Maurras for your lowly anglo saxon alt right shitty memes.
Holy shit kys you cucks, Maurras is a pure girl, leave him alone.

>>2342708

>For monarchy to work one specific man who jumped out of one specific vagina must be wise

You could argue that democracy simply relies on at least 50% of all people born are wise. Whereas monarchy is a crapshoot with 20% chance of madness receiving absolute power.

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Really rouses the mind...

Dictatorships or monarchies for that matter are never efficient because they can only keep the status quo through authority, and that authority cannot be gained and maintained by a single man - a ruler needs his military commanders, his media men, his administrators, etc

So in reality in a overly centralized regime the ruler spends most of his time and effort pandering to his ruling elite which in turn enforces his authority. That's why modern dictators generally style themselves as generalissimos and give generous privileges to his generals.
That's also why dictatorships are shit at getting things done, most of the energy is allocated in keeping local elites happy

>>2342793
DESU that is a sign of everybody going mad

>>2342708
hm

>>2343007
Maurras is /myboy/, manant

How about being ruled by no one?

>>2342708
Popular mandate is a much better way to choose a ruler than blind chance.

>>2342793
54% of voters expressly voted against him

>>2342708
Neither, and instead have a republic like the USA.

>>2345297
That's a good way for society to descend back into the caveman days

Glass eventually, somebody will Garner enough support resources and Power in order to proclaimed himself leader over a few, and then they will want to expand naturally to conquer more and more and more people and it'll just be reset of all of human civilization all over again.

There's no way to win.

>>2342708
If the Monarch if essentially randomly selected via some combination of war, intrigue, and heredity (as they all were in practice in the old days) neither is more likely than the other,

Monarchy=tyranny of the King
Democracy=tyranny of the idiotic masses

A constitutional republic is the only way to protect liberties.

>>2345368
>king = tyrant
Spotted the Ameriblob

>>2345369

muh picturesque monarch will never abuse his powers!

>>2343172

not rly

>>2345389
>muh constitooshon
>muh being ruled by a Jewish oligarchy

>>2345397

oh boy here we go

>>2345397
>>2345389
jesus christ, this is like int before the flags

>>2342793
>>2345342
Thanks for correcting the record

>>2342708
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wisdom_of_Crowds

Actually, the crowd is smarter. Look at the way markets work. A vast number of people with individually limited information are able to pool that information to come up with efficient prices.

Also, the meme is fucking retarded. Monarchy doesn't work best when it relies on a genius at the top. Monarchy works best when the monarch's personal influence is limited, and functions of state performed by people who actually know what they are doing.

>>2342708
>everyone is going to blindly follow the king once a monarchy is established

Yeah, that's how it works.

>>2345438
The incentives at work in the marketplace are totally different from the ones at work in politics

>>2345470
the even bigger mistake is thinking that a king rules alone, instead of merely being the chief oligarch

>>2342708
Very sound argument IF you can explain the process that selects a monarch, and how it works to find the wise ones.

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>>2345505

How so?

>markets: profit based incentives
>politics: profit based incentives

>>2345562
If an individual consumer spending their own money makes decisions based on irrational biases or false information they will bear the costs of that decision by ending up with shoddy products they don't like, thus encouraging wise decision making. But as a voter that same person can indulge any manner of false belief by voting for politicians who support them
and pay no price whatsoever as their individual vote has almost no effect on the outcome.

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>HNNNG PFAFAOWL
What did he mean by this?

>>2345576
>and pay no price whatsoever as their individual vote has almost no effect on the outcome.

Wrong, only those with vested interests vote in the first place, that's why less than half the country votes. Voting is intentionally annoying, the fact that it takes place on a workday means that working people are discouraged from voting, and a day or a partial day's labor does indeed have a quantifiable monetary cost.

>>2342708
How about this:

For a monarchy to catastrophically fail, one man must fail.
For a democracy to catastrophically fail, the majority of the people must fail.

Which is more likely?

>>2345594
okay you're in chomsky land have a nice day

>>2345600

Unlike Chomsky I'm actually defending the US system, which was the best governed western country for at least several centuries. He also disrespects our alma mater which I also don't like.

Do monarchists really exist? I thought people were just larping.

>>2343045
Nice quote, now notice its devoid of any evidence

>>2345642
>Do monarchists really exist? I thought people were just larping.
Some people are predisposed to be servile.

It's easy, it frees you of responsibility to give up your autonomy.

>>2345342

Doesn't that show that monarchy is better? A true revolutionary hops onto the scene and only 46% vote to eliminate the rotting system.

>>2345596
>the majority of the people must fail

but anon listen

this is already true

>>2345642
>I'm American: the post

>>2345663
Saudi-Arabia.

>>2343005

>he thinks representative democracy is oligarchy because of youtube conspiracy theory videos

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>>2345722
>implying it isn't
So are you saying Bush or Obama were fundamentally more devoted to their constituents and voters rather than their corporate donors? How come the Obama administration was pushing for things like TPP then? How come Merkel is pushing for the migrant invasion of Germany when the only people that are gonna profit from it are industrial megacorps who want to devalue the cost of labor?

>>2345732
Exactly. The two political parties are fundamentally not interested in the people. The system is flawed, it's true. Perhaps a representative monarchy or some sort of administrative aristocracy is preferred.

Or socialism. There are various forms of socialism which are very beneficial for the participants. The only forms of socialism I see mentioned on here are market socialism and communism, which both suck.

>>2345732

US government is more than the office of POTUS, but to be fair you have a point.

>>2345732

>implying TTP and increased immigration are bad things for the general population.

>>2345642
they're under the foolish notion that if they lived under an autocrat he would do exactly what they wanted

>>2345779
Go to bed Hillary

>>2345779
Low energy bait

>>2345779
Unlike meme states in Europe or East Asia, the US isn't facing an imminent demographic crunch that requires an immediate influx of foreigners.

>>2345804
but it also isn't harmed by them either

>>2345792
>>2345797

Like most arguments against the TPP, these posts are devoid of facts, arguments or any decent analysis.

>>2345819
>offer zero facts, arguments or analysis yourself
>get butthurt when people do the same in response

>>2342708
"I can't call soneone a benevolent dictator if the benevolence of his government relies on him living forever"
-some dude on the internet

>>2345829
Reddit: the post

>>2345819
Cutting tariffs is inherently bad for workers, especially if the capitalists can find cheap labor elsewhere, it's not good for the Chinese children to get their hands crushed by textile machines and it's not good for the American middle class to become poor. The latter is why Donald Trump won.

>>2345835
Gaia: the post

>>2345838

damn

>>2345700

So tell me, what happens if the king is a tyrant, and teaches his son to be a tyrant, who then teaches his son to be a tyrant, etc

>>2345852
They put cucks like you on a spike I guess.

>>2345838

Cutting tariffs is good for the 'workers' because it allows them to increase their productivity with cheaper foreign goods. It's also good for foreign workers as it gives them increased employment and more opportunities.

>>2345576
>their individual vote has almost no effect on the outcome.

I'll admit gerrymandering is real.

You're forgetting one important fact. Voters do have an extremely weighty decision point when they plan to reside in a location, especially when buying property.

A voter who chooses comfort and security by residing in a secure voting bloc has already calculated and is OK with his representational value going to the candidate of his favored party. He has already voted with his feet, since he already know the outcome his actual physical vote has no meaning. And because he has potentially put six or seven figures into this decision, he better be damn sure it's a good one.


tl;dr people aren't stupid, if they move to an area that heavily favors one party, they would already have known that when they decided to move.

>>2345942
Literally why should politicians in a country give a fuck about FOREIGN workers? Those are not their constituents!

>>2345946
>A voter who chooses comfort and security by residing in a secure voting bloc

Who chooses to buy or rent based on their voting district, which could end up changing in a few years anyway? Normally, people check out the property tax rates and local services and infrastructure like roads, schools, crime and prisons, that sort of thing.

>>2345988

They don't and they shouldn't be expected to. But it is completely irrelevant, free trade is good for domestic workers.

>>2346004
If you mention NAFTA being a good thing to someone in the Rust Belt you have a good chance of getting decked.

t. Pittsburgh

>>2346010

If a company is only viable because the government fucks over everyone else and makes them buy you shitty product, your company isn't viable.

And there is more to the US than the Rust Belt. Looking at how free trade affects the well-paid machinist without looking at the poor Southerner who can now afford a car to drive to work is ridiculous.

For monarchy to fail, just one man must go insane. For democracy to fail, over half the citizens must go insane. Which is more likely?

See, I can make dumb oversimplifications too.

>>2345996

>Who chooses to buy or rent based on their voting district,

Voting patterns also mimic other population patterns, the most obvious example of which being a republican is unlikely to want to live in the democratic ghetto. There's also the obvious comfort of being around others of your own kind. In America political identity is a social identity. Not only are you buying into policies, but you are buying into a culture.

>Normally, people check out the property tax rates

Let me guess in which districts property taxes will be high and in which they will be low... All of a sudden the property tax debate becomes very relevant.

>and local services and infrastructure like roads, schools, crime and prisons, that sort of thing.

all amenities that must be paid for by taxpayers

>>2346027
>free trade is good for the worker
>except it isn't
Nice job blowing up your own argument you fucking faggot.

>>2345650
One quick google search of the quote proved it true.

>>2345819
Do not bother with them, they do not understand the true purpose of TPP which was to become the dominant power in Asia by cutting China out of the trade. They look at the economics and see no obvious benefit, but they cannot see that with the fall of TPP China is already engaging in trade talks with the neighbours. Other nations such as the Pacific Alliance nations in SA will shift to China as well. Just another way in which China is taking advantage of amerifats.

>>2346070

>Son, when you grow up, you're gonna work in the factory. Its literally the only type of job in the world except for all the other ones. Leave the other ones for the queers

>>2345838
You do know China is excluded from TPP, right? Or is this unknown to most americans?

Monarchy sucks.

Democracy sucks.

Republic is the way to go.

>>2346107
I just gave an example of third world labor, the same would apply to Vietnam

>>2346114
The whole excluding China thing is sort of the whole point of TPP. Better that a vietnamese orphan gets killed on the job than a chinese one

>>2346099
>Son, when you grow up, you're gonna be an unemployed shitter on bennies because Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton shipped the factories overseas and now Paco and Zhang work those jobs instead of you.

>>2346055
Except that only applies when dealing with voting districts that somewhat resemble actual human geography. With gerrymandering that's not the case any more, and it especially disadvantages voters who can't afford to move or wish to live a certain lifestyle despite their politics.

>>2346109

Technocracy is the way to go. Every single official in China has a degree in engineering or some shit. Xi Jinping is a chemical engineer.

Let's face it, does anyone here really think we can beat China to the moon in space race 2?

>>2346138
>With gerrymandering that's not the case any more,
Don't do gerrymandering then, rather than destroying the republic.
Other republics manage fine with changing voting districts so infrequently that it can't reasonably be systematically abused.

>>2346138

Maybe people don't know much about individual districts, but they sure as hell know what state they live in. Most people don't consider themselves a resident of a district, they consider themselves residents of a state. And most states reliably turn either red or blue.

>>2346144
And China is a shithole, your point? The only two engineer presidents in American history were Hoover and Carter and both were unmitigated catastrophes.

>>2346179

B-but muh Hoover Dam!

>>2346253
Ironically built by FDR.

>>2345838
>yfw you realize cutting tariffs is inherently good for consumers

>>2346281

Curses. At least I still have prohibition!

>>2346307
>consumer loses job
>no longer has the capital to consume product
Damn

>>2343172
What's this from?

>>2346354

>Not differentiating between long and short run
>Not acknoledging the role of creative destruction within the market.
>Not understanding how cheaper goods can lead to increased employment opportunities.

Wow, sure is Micro 1 in here.

>all these idiots ITT who think a monarchy just means there's some guy in a funny hat

The pussy ass faggot system Britain has is not a monarchy, modern France is more of a monarchy than Britain is.

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Yeah, the world needs strong kings. Idi Amin was the last man who stood up for what is right. If I could vote, I would vote for Idi Amin.

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>that feel when no cozy midway between democracy and monarchy like the brazilian empire or late 19th century austria

Democracy is a failed experiment

>>2346512
Liechtenstein
What Jordan is evolving into

>>2346354
Singapore has essentially no tariffs. Explain it's quite low unemployment rate.

>>2346144
>does anyone here really think we can beat China to the moon in space race 2?

people always overestimate the ability of chinks. they are mathematically adept but they lack creativity and innovation. there's a reason the majority of inventions were done by white people. i don't see china pumping out any innovations

the japanese and koreans are an exception however

>>2346475
Wasted vote, he ded.

>>2346385
From Mundus Millennialis

>>2342708
One has to be wisest; or at least not as stupid as the masses, who are seriously brain-damaged.

>>2345695
>"Revolutionary"
>spreads his asshole wider for the establishment, his cronies and the elite than even Shrillary would have

LOVING

EVERY

LAUGH

We are getting into a discussion more appropriate for /pol/.

Tbqh I like monarchy but because I think it'd be a good idea to have the country be under the absolute rule of a perfectly normal guy that's not special in any way besides being lucky enough to be the king.

Why aren't people happy to just be and be ruled by boring average people?

>>2345342
>>2342793
This is sad even for /his/

>>2346555

Joke's on you, niggers can't vote.

>>2345810
Economically no, culturally yes. If economics is the only dimension, odds are the influx will probably eke out a slight net benefit in the short run, and a definite benefit in the long run as native citizens in the U.S are at replacement birthrate or below.

>>2346027
You also forget to mention that most free trade deals, aren't actual "free trade." They are large nebulous monstrosities that manipulate tax code and regulations for certain large companies and corporations, and many nations make sure to reserve certain rights that allow their home countries to have an advantage. For example even if an agreement eliminates tariffs on X good, a savvy nation would just shift the tariff over to being a subsidy.

>>2346751
Dafuq is that site? Main page is just quotes.

>>2347619
They're aphorisms, not quotes, dumbass.

>>2347641
Rude.

>>2345650

>now notice its devoid of any evidence

Very few pithy quotes also include the supporting arguments, otherwise someone might as well link you a book.

>>2345695
He is all talk. I wanted to believe myself but I think he has shown so far that he just wants to accelerate corporatism as much as any other cunt.