How did California become America's most populated and economically

location, location, location

>>2340971
gold, gold, gold

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>>2340971
Because it had such a huge territory, imagine a single state spanning from Boston to North Carolina.

Realistically it should be partitioned into three separate states at least.

>>2340971
>red star
>bear
wtf I hate commiefornia now

>>2340971
This >>2341002

Also. Cali isnt. Somthos thread isnt valid.

>>2340971
Location, Gold, and it is fucking huge.

In more or less chronological order:

1.) Three well-protected shallow ports
2.) Gold deposits in the Sierra foothills
3.) Silver deposits in the Great Basin had to move through California to be transported
4.) a gigantic, fertile valley, untouched by intensive agriculture
5.) lack of old and restrictive institutions, leading to creation of more radical public policies
6.) lots of immigration, leading to a greater knowledge pool and more solutions to problems
6.) major naval war in the Pacific and long term military industry investment that came with it
7.) an expansive public works program for dam and highway creation, leading to power, security, and interconnectedness
8.) Asia becoming the economic powerhouse of the 21st century
9.) a culture that fosters innovation and new ideas
10.) greater democractic opportunity than anywhere, leading to institutions that provided wide distribution of wealth
11.) a culture that dedicated unprecedented amounts of resources to technological invention and public education
12.) being the center for major agricultural and environmental science innovations that have become a huge global market
13.) becoming a global cultural center for media and entertainment, bringing widespread sociopolitical influence and a major tourist destination
14.) being the starting of a new global economy and reaping the benefits long before others
15.) leading investment into solar technology

>>2341177

To add to this, and to add to the great Kevin Starr's (RIP in piece) point:

At each major point of cultural flux in the U.S., when what was desired and what was considered the American Dream shifted and when the U.S. set its eyes on a new horizon, California stood out like a beacon.

It isn't that "where California goes, America follows", but more that the trends we see in America's history can first be spotted in California. The cultural differences, the institutional differences, in California allow these desires and ideals the space and resources they need to become real.

When the desire of being a yeoman farmer began to change to a desire to live comfortably, California almost miraculously appears, overflowing with gold and land. But it wasn't a miracle: the types of people who didn't wish to spend a life in toil had already been scouring California for a comfortable spot to spend their days.

By the time America began to worry about the dissappearing wilderness, California had already began the park system and the concerned efforts to save forrests and rivers.

When industrial pollution reached a breaking point, and people finally demanded clean air and waterways, California had the regulatory institutions already in place that became national standards.

And the list can keep going: desire for fame (and the desire for a celebrity political leader), efforts to give the disabled a normal life, divorce laws, gay marriage laws, abandonment of religion. All these sorts of cultural shifts don't begin in California, but they find a place to take root there.

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>>2340971
1 Not too long ago this state was still relatively unexplored. It was settled by various bands of native peoples. A far greater diversity of languages proliferated than was seen in other parts of the later United States. This is likely due to both its vast size, and varied geography which easily lends itself to regionalism.

>>2340971
The pacific theatre and lend lease

>>2342116

>uses Mission names
>clearly defined, permanent borders

>Chumash, Ohlone, Miwok all divided up
>Valley Yokuts not

Shit map, tbqh

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>>2342116
2 The Spanish arrived relatively late. The string of missions began in Baja and only crossed into Alta California after 1769. The missions were spaced roughly a days ride from one another. San Francisco was founded in 1776, just a dusty mission and fort while the War for Independence raged on the other side of the continent. The next 60 years were characterized by the proliferation of the famed Spanish cattle ranching culture seen also in Texas and Mexico.

>>2342140
People who live within one geographical feature tend to have less language differences than people who live among many geographical features.

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>>2342175
3 The Gold Rush was the game changer. Without the rush, California would likely have developed more slowly over a slingly longer period of time, perhaps like Oregon. The rush brought in a flood of people from the Eastern United States, specifically white, young (age 25 to 35) and male. They favored democratic institutions and their industrious work everywhere turned a wilderness into a bonanza. The Spanish and Mexicans had barely even left the coast, complaining that the Central Valley was "too hot" to live in year round. California was the first state with cities specifically built around rail travel.

As the young men who made up the rush matured many became land owners. They sent for family and friends to join them in California. California became a haven for industrial agriculture in the 1880s, with seas of wheat harvested by early combines. This process was supported by migrant labor, the origin of the Hobo.

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who /cali/ here?

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because we're based

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>>2342274
did you see la la land brah?

>>2342116
Miwok master race.

>>2342290
No.

t. Chumash

NorCal or SoCal.

There is an objectively correct answer here.

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>>2342257
4 The next pivotal event was the growth of Southern California. After craftily buying up Owens Valley, William Mulholland directed the construction of the LA Aquaduct which was completed in 1913. People poured into Los Angeles. It would become the city of stars overnight. In addition, California produced roughly one quarter of all US oil. Defense contracts were lucrative as was being the home of the Pacific fleet.

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>>2342294
who put surfing on the map?

>>2341177
>solar technology
stopped reading there, and I was reading from bottom to up.

>>2342294
Norcal, of course

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>>2342305
The Great Depression and World War II were the next big events. While the Midwest experienced the Dust Bowl, California simply tapped into a huge supply of water below the Central Valley. This aquifer kept farming going. A slew of construction projects kept the state going: the Golden Gate Bridge, the Bay Bridge, Hoover Dam in neighboring Nevada.

Then came the war. Like the rest of the country, California was built up in order to support the war effort. Mare Island Naval Shipyard turned out the submarines which, measured by tonnage, sank half the Japanese fleet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhCiGY75wVw

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>>2342472
"no"

>>2342480
Except that was the correct response.

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>>2342522
>implying

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>>2342531
Yes.

>>2340971
now part 2;

>How did California become America's most non-native and decaying state?

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>>2340971
They're a colony of New York. Hollywood wouldn't exist if New York hadn't created it.

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>>2342541
>

>>2340971
>Gold attracts Jews
>Jews turn it into the Whore of Babylon
Its pretty simple

>>2342480
>>2342531
SoCal might have been nicer in the 60's, but then loads of people moved there to get their share of paradise, and now it's a sprawling ugly shithole interspersed with deserts.

>>2342294
San Diego.

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>>2342569
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSSReSlTl2c

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>>2342476
Postwar California was quite a place. GIs who served in the Pacific settled down and raised families. Walt Disney created Disney Land. The key to the postwar prosperity was the hydralic infrastructure, the Central Valley Project and the later State Water Project.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWzEQxD_zGs

>>2342545
I'll get to that next.

>>2341003
What's wrong with the bear?

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>>2342677
The 60s were a tumultuous time in America. The 1967 Summer of Love marked the clear emergence of a full counter culture among the young Baby Boomers. As they grew into positions within government, academia and other institutions, they slowly but fundamentally changed the way those institutions operated.

It should be noted at this point that for most of its history California had been a majority white state with a decided preference for the Republican Party.

In the age old battle between farmers and their labor, the farmers made a deal with the devil by choosing to import workers. A slow but steady trickle of illegal laborers from south of the border would gradually come to change the population of the entire state. But at the time their presence was small, confined mainly to the Central Valley.

All eyes were on the coast where the great financial centers of SF and LA were bankrolling the development of Silicon Valley. People were coming into the state from across the country. This drove up real estate prices. In 1978 California citizens passed ballot proposition 13 which pegged property taxes to 1% of their 1975 value with only 2% growth maximum per year. Over the years the below market tax rate would cause many unintended effects.

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>>2342800
This brings us to today. The fate of California will be decided as much by demography as by economics. But the two are related. In the wake of the 2007-8 financial crisis, two major California cities have filed for bankruptcy: Vallejo and Stockton.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vallejo,_California#Bankruptcy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockton,_California#City_bankruptcy

Both cities are majority non-white. Both cities experienced this problem because their current population can't bear the financial burdens of paying for both current maintenance, the salaries of current public employees and the pensions of previous ones. Other California cities responded to the financial crisis by laying off critical public employees (firemen and police officers). The next four years will decide the fate of California. The state will either become Mexifornia, or it will become something much grander than anything its past would indicate.

>>2342836

>wastes all that time trying to sound smart
>says "Mexifornia" unironically

If you are going to do the mandatory California-hating asspained thing, just keep it to one post. Spam how great Texas is or whatever the current meme is and be done with it.

Just imotbqh

>>2342901
So your only point is that I should have wrote what I did in one post instead of two?

It's too bad it's become a cesspit for elite leftist progressive actors, actresses and politicians. And illegal aliens. What could have been a paradise on Earth is instead a crapheap of socialism.

>>2343119
How has Californian labor seized the means of production?

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>>2343152

>>2343152
Fuck off /leftypol/ scum, I'm glad people use socialism as a synonym for social democracy solely because it pisses your autism off.

>b-b-b-b-biut ur not respecting my feelings and using muh terms accuwately! ;_______;

Cry.

>>2342836
Thanks anon

>>2343163
Actually social democracy is socialism, look up "Staatssozialismus". It's just Marxist autists who think only the Marxist definition of socialism (workers owning the production means) is valid and they throw a spergfit when people don't abide their newspeak.

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>>2342274
California is actually really awful for the average Californian. Minus points if you're white and conservative too.

>>2343436
If you're white and conservative you probably live in one of the nice parts, though.

>>2343427
I know Fabianism is socialism, but these... "people" don't so I enjoy it when their world of pedantry makes them rage harder than being told they can't vape weed.

>>2343425
You're welcome

>>2343440
If you're white and conservative you probably don't live in California. Even if you isolate yourself in a lillywhite republican burb somewhere in OC you're still subjected to idiotic liberal Californian legislature like state taxes and gun laws.

>>2342836
lol you're doomed

I'm from Texas.

How is California any different (better) than us? Replace "gold" with "oil" and it's basically the same story. Similar demographics, characteristics. While CA currently has a larger GDP, they also have a larger population, I'm pretty sure Texas will surpass them in both very soon. Especially at the current rate, and if you look at the ratio between population and GDP, Texas is actually a bit higher.

RIP California.

P.S. please stop moving here.

>>2343543
Both of you are sticky shitholes full of Mexicans.

>>2343543
You've even got the burgeoning cities filled with liberal millenials, tech types, beaners and gooks.

>>2343436
how the fuck does texas still sit at 100 IQ?
it's majority minority, just like California, NM, and Hawaii, all of which are much lower.

>>2343543
>How is California any different (better) than us?
Much more influential culture

Much more varied and beautiful natural landscape

Economically they're similar though, you're right

>>2344063
>Much more influential culture
as a foreign i have to said, commiefornia is the opposite a how the world see USA

>>2343566
stay md subhuman

>>2343119
It's strange, California is like the evil twin of Texas. Two sides of the same coin.

>>2343436
One of the Cali expats who lives in my town pretty much says that. It's such a wonderful place, just the people have their head so far up their ass it's absolutely miserable living there.

>>2341177
Great post.

>>2344063
I could give you the culture as there's no doubt Hollywood is the media capital of the world, and Texas pretty much doesn't have a cultural bone in its body past Cowboys due to their boring, practical nature, but more beautiful natural landscapes is debatable.

>>2342695
it's a symbol of russia

>>2341177
well-thought post

>>2343543
California had gold and oil.

>>2344732
It actually isn't and never was, it's just some bullshit westerners invented. Symbol of Russia has always been the eagle.

>>2343163
somebody's salty

>>2340971
ITT: Buttmad flyovers who hate everyone more successful then them

>>2343443

That's a lot of spite anon

>>2343543

California has gold and oil and also produces about 75% of the country's produce by itself.

Ironically the economic rise of Texas is proportionate with its rising liberal population.

You say "pls stop moving here" but your state didn't grow above being a bunch of dumbass cowboys until they started moving there.

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>>2341246
>gay marriage laws
Actually, that was, ironically, Utah's responsibility.

See, California has this odd citizen-of-the-state law, where you can be a citizen of another state, or even nation, and still declare a special California citizenship, that allows you to vote on California propositions, even if you aren't currently a resident. This was once easy to do. If you had family in Cali, you could sign up, regardless how far removed or where you lived.

So first, the Mormons (go figure) introduce a law to ban gay marriage in California - even though it wasn't really a thing yet. The LDS had every member, anywhere, who had a relative in California, sign up for CS citizenship, and vote.

Now, this was ultimately doomed, as the Cali state constitution has a clause against laws based on sexual orientation, and has for ages. Cali supreme court thus killed it right quick.

So, the Mormon's stepped up their plans, and made Proposition 8, amending said constitution to nullify that, and ban gay marriage. They worked their magic again (even though the rules had changed a bit), and walah, California, the bluest state in the nation, home to the largest openly gay population in the nation, miraculously bans gay marriage.

This is where they fugged up, as the only place left to appeal this to, was the now SCOTUS. The pretty much inevitable was, when you mix anti-discrimination clauses with the incorporation clauses: nation wide gay marriage.

...and pretty soon Utah's own anti-gay marriage laws were killed by that same ruling.

Moral to the story: When San Francisco wants to be gay, just let them be, or you'll end up fucking yourself in the ass.

(Before you go on about "Fucking liberal activist judges!", remember, this is the same logic they used to extend the 2nd amendment rights to cover not only the Federal government's ability to take your guns, but also the State's, overruling the core precedent behind all gun control, that had been in place for nearly 150 years.)

>>2347139
Well ya can't just blame the Mormons - I mean for the first one ya can, partly because the state citizenship law you allude to let their California family members vote on their behalf, effectively giving them multiple votes, even before the mail-ins were counted. That changed by the time Proposition 8 came around. (Plus it got harder to sign up for, but that didn't affect those who already had.)

Ironically, in the other direction, what really pushed Proposition 8 over the top, was Obama. Blacks came out in record numbers to vote for him in 2008, when Prop 8 was on the ballot, and the vast majority of them voted for it.

Granted, the same LDS lawyers were responsible for drafting both laws.

And it's also still true, had the LDS not tried to change California against its will by the back door, national gay marriage in the US probably would not be a thing today.

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>>2347059
that video is really gay

>>2347221
>he doesn't like Chili Peppers

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>>2347239
john frusciante is cool but those other guys are forgettable

>>2344034
Maybe because race isn't everything.

>>2341177
I'd include the establishment/invigoration of its UC/CSU system immeaditly after WWII as well. It's pretty forgotten but the massive push to prevent jobless veterans and other military workers from flooding the job market by putting them in school lead to pretty substantial highly educated population in the post war years. Also produced a huge and connected university system

>>2342294
Central coast

>>2347315
I'll accept it.

>>2347315
narrow it down to northern central coast and I'll accept it

>>2347379
If the southern cut off is San Luis Obispo, I agree.

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>>2342294
city of the angles

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>>2347432
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcbC4SsXRN0

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>>2341003
>Thinks the Red Star in flag is communism

Pretty sure the star represents Texas

http://www.50states.com/flag/caflag.htm

Fuck I miss living in san diego.

>>2347501
why

>>2347492
So California is cucked by Texas, good to know.

>>2342305
>Somoa on a map, Arcata/Union not even on it
lol what a different time

>>2347519

It's a military city so it's not as liberal as other cities. I mainly miss Coronado where I was outside all the time, working out on the Strand.

>>2347463
my absolute negro

>>2347520

Not really at this point in time since both states became split in terms of political beliefs (California being Liberal and Texas being Conservative). Plus as someone from California (SoCal) Californians tend to talk shit towards Texans and vise versa from what I hear.

>>2342294
The answer is California, friendo

>>2343436
Based, Viva La Raza cabrones

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>>2347577
paisa pls

>>2347577
CHI

>>2347291

#11, but good expansion on the point

CAAAAAAALIFORNIA LOooOOOOVE

This thread is retarded.

It's the borders and the fact that it take up most of one seaboard.

Draw a California sized state from Boston to North Carolina and you have a far richer, more educated, more economically and politically powerful state. Not to mention far more people.

You have almost all of the top 20 universities in the nation between DC and Boston. You have West Point and the Naval Academy. Wall St. The seat of the Federal Government.

Why is the East Coast more economically successful?

Because it was settled first due to being closer to Europe. Plus better water resources and a better coastline. CA has good ports, but New York and Boston harbors are pretty perfect. Plus the Hudson, CT, etc. rivers let you travel further inland.

>>2348141

The east coast is a shithole.

Smart people always move west, beyond the predations of settled rentiers.

And once again, the east coast is a shithole with retarded and ugly people.

because it's liberal
being left-wing breeds success and jealousy of right wing retards in Deep Fried South

>>2349759
>t. flyover state bitching about the coas

The coasts subsidizes your lifestyle, fattie

https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/

>>2350067

I live in California you chucklefuck. I'm just saying the east coast blows other than the big booty babes in Miami.

Not to mention that we live in an empire where the heads all live in a shitty corrupted hallowed out world (aka the east coast).

>>2350067
Not him, and I think ya missed his point, but wow 46th... We have a lot of social programs here, so I thought surely we'd be more dependant on federal handouts than that.

Florida is probably getting a bad wrap at 30 though - I'm fairly certain the fact that there's so many retirees there has gotta be weighing on that.

>>2340971
Illegals being used a cheap slave labor desu.

>>2341177

you forgot to add in silicon valley

>>2350119
>California
You say that like California doesn't have a shitload of its own problems.

>other than the big booty babes in Miami.
What are you, 12 and still watching MTV? Oh wait, you're from Cali, the crass materialism and stank attitude is totally befitting.

But of all the nice places on the east coast you chose the shittiest city that is .1% filthy rich Jew and 99% impoverished Latino? No wonder you have such a dim perspective of us.

Come to Boston (or shit, just about anywhere in New England) and have a nice, thoughtful conversation with a bunch of "coastals" who aren't pretentious anti-vax tree huggers like they are in Cali but insanely well educated down to Earth homeowners who work in biotech inventing the drugs that Calitards are injecting into their foreheads. Remember homes? It's those things that Californians used to be able to afford.

Or come visit Charleston and let them teach you what class and sophistication actually looks like.

New York is where the bosses of everyone who lives in LA live.

San Francisco seems like a nice place to live for $6,000 a month. O preferiría vivir en San Diego?

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>>2350203
>Come to Boston
>>have a nice, thoughtful conversation
>>thoughful
I live a few minutes south of Boston. Just no

>>2350203

Fucking wall of butthurt holy shit.

My time spent was enough empirical evidence to condemn the east coast as the living ruin of empire and its cronies.

And yes Socal is a shit hole compared to mid and north California. But I'd rather be in Los Angeles than your shitty ruins-in-progress

>>2350215
I'm a Commiefornian that lived in Boston (well, Brighton) for a few years, and I loved it. All the friends I found were MIT and Harvard post-grad students. Place was clean as whistle, and it was great.

All those Boston crime dramas are actually filmed in New Jersey, LA, and Long Beach.

Back in Cali now though - which is fine, as you stay out of the cities - some of which are alright.

Why are liberal states so successful while conservatives live in shit?

>>2350222
>Fucking wall of butthurt holy shit.
It would be the Calitard who roles out the memes because conversation and argument fail him.

This is /his/ dumb ass, if all you want to do is shitpost here, let me help you
>>>/b/

>My time spent
You obviously didn't spend it wisely, dumb ass. Probably too busy chasing "big booty babes"

> But I'd rather be in PlasticTown than your
You can have it. LA is for fake, artificial people which is clearly the reason you love it. I'll take any city on the East coast (north or south of the Mason-Dixon) over LA

>shitty ruins-in-progress
It only seems that way because most of our factories are automated so fewer people are able to find work outside of the service sector. But that's a problem affecting every state in the country. In truth our manufacturing capacity is stronger than its ever been, but all those nice paying union jobs were gradually replaced with robots so it seems like its worse than it actually is. I know you're not the sharpest bulb in the drawer so I'm trying to put it in terms that are relatable for you.

>>2350203
>, thoughtful conversation with a bunch of "coastals" who aren't pretentious anti-vax tree huggers like they are in Cali but insanely well educated down to Earth homeowners who work in biotech inventing the drugs that Calitards are injecting into their foreheads.

Holy shit the fucking autism. The east coast is filled with libtardism you retard. Some of the most cancerous shit comes out of Massachusetts.

Gotta love east coasters blaming California for everything and pretending their shit don't stink.

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>>2350266
Because you have to pay for nice things.

Conservatards would rather have a tax cut because they're self-centered cunts who have a difficult time conceiving the needs of others in the abstract and how helping them benefits society as a whole

>>2350293
>T. flyover state

I'll be sure to visit if I ever needed a better reason not to live in a place defined by its flat, featureless terrain and shitty, Bible-thumping morons

>>2350315
Coastal elitist statement right after denying coastal elitism.

>>2350359
No, I embrace the concept of acting elite over inbred poorly educated heartlanders. We need to spend more time putting them back in their place before they elect any more morons into higher office.

It's just that Calitards make us look bad with bullshit like the anti-vax movement. And they're basically the place which gave birth to the concept of a "Limousine liberal" as some celebrity who turns their political beliefs into a popularity contest.

>>2350387
Nobody here takes the anti-vax movement seriously

>>2347394
Wait, no, Northern Santa Barbara wants to be Northern Central Coast, too. We second our own motion.

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>>2350491
But it's always rich Calitards pushing that bullshit. I've never met a Bostonian or New Yorker who believed in that kind of psuedo-science, and these are places which were holding crying parties after Hillary Clinton's loss (which even as a liberal I have to admit was hilarious and I laughed hard at them for being that pathetic about it.)

You could list basically any stereotype that the right has about "liberals" and most often they're talking about retarded shit someone in California was doing, most often on television because TV is literally the life of a heartlander (which is why their two favorite presidents were both television personalities.)

>>2350531
So? The other states think that dinosaur bones were put in the ground by the devil and that its impossible for rape to result in pregnancy.

The difference between California and those states is that we aren't electing the anti-vaxxers to the highest government offices.

january 24, 1848

>>2350531
California is so dominated by liberals that i can dismiss in a handwavy fashion all the whiners and strip their votes and retain supermajorities and trilateral domination anyway. Even if they were 10% of the population, a virus custom-tailored to kill stupid liberals would not change California's political landscape at all (though it would affect white demographics).

You can't say that about conservatives. Deny their idiots the right to vote... Such as their anti-vaccine president... And their percentage of the votes dwindles to abysmal levels.

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>>2347537
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvJrHVCw6WU

>>2350203

#14, more or less

But in addition to Silicon, medical and genomics technology in San Diego arose almost simultaneously

>starting point

>>2350649
And there's an old saying about what happens in California eventually happens to the rest of the country.

California was drowning in debt and their legislators were dominated by gerrymandered Republican districts and an unpopular Republican governor. A nonpartisan redistricting program was adopted which took the task of redistricting out of the hands of elected officials.

The result was a democrat blowout down the ballot and within a few years balanced budgets and a dynamic growing economy, on path to surpass Britain as the 5th largest economy in the world.

As more states adopt nonpartisan redistricting Republican's favorite strategy for rigging the deck in their favor becomes obsolete.

>>2350991
>California
>balanced budgets

CTR please go, California is an absolute shithole. High taxes, absolutely cancerous towards small business, corrupt as fuck police.

>>2351002
>muh CTR
Drumpftard pls
>California
>shitholes
still better than Deep South
>>2350991
>what happens in California eventually happens to the rest of the country
I really hope gun laws are exception.

>>2351002
>California is an absolute shithole.
Correction: it was a shithole when it was dominated by Republicans
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-faces-42-billion-shortfall/

After progressives clawed power out of the hands of entrenched Republicans and guaranteed fair and nonpartisan redistricting, California Republicans got BTFO and this is what happened
http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Good-news-California-Surplus-is-2-4-billion-4997158.php

Stay jealous, heartlander

>>2351043
Blah... I wouldn't say it was *dominated* by the GOP, but that was entirely Schwarzenegger's fault. The feds came together with some other financial interests and said they were gonna wave more than half of that, if Cali just submitted a budget on time. Then the Governator just kept sending the budget back to the house, over and over again, until that deadline passed, and two days later, he took the second budget he sent back line-item-vetoed all the bits he didn't like, and signed it, which made it clear he didn't have to send it back in the first place, and that entire effort was just to sabotage California's budget.

The "you gotta burn it to the ground before you can rebuild" strategy among some ameture politicians is always a sickening, particularly when there's no plan for the second part of that strategy - so it instead becomes "you gotta crash the car to collect the insurance".

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>>2350991
>And there's an old saying about what happens in California eventually happens to the rest of the country.
so when is the rest of america gonna get multiple silicon valleys and hollywoods

>>2351138
There's a lot of startups in he Midwest already.

Not even memeing.

>call yourself liberal
>gays and weed are okay but GUNS ARE DEVIL
why
is Jim Webb the only Dem who doesn't hate guns?

>>2343551
Mexico is a huge trading partner, source of produce, and beautiful women. You say it like it's a bad thing.

>>2344034
The microchip was invented by a Texan.

>>2344063
Because of Hollywood I guess, if you call that culture. Landscape is debatable. Everything else is very similar.

>>2344442
>Texas pretty much doesn't have a cultural bone in its body past Cowboys due to their boring, practical nature
Tex-mex, tejano music, fucking NASA, there's more culture here than you think.

>>2345629
CA's reserves of oil compared to TX are laughable.
Texas also has other things CA doesn't have, like natural gas.

>>2347025
You may have produce, but Texas has always lead the nation in meat production. So both are great food sources.

I have no problem with liberals, I am a Texas liberal. People from California, New York, Florida, and even within Texas are flocking to our cities fleeing failing economies of their home states or regions, which raises the cost of living for people from here. That's my main problem with it. Overall I'm sure it's probably good for the economy, it's still my right as a Texan and American to complain about it.

>>2351171
Unironically the only guy right now who has a chance of winning the presidency for the Dems from now on.

They need to drop the corporatist globalism, and identity politics SJW bullshit.

>>2351230
and gun rights
shit ton of people who WOULD vote Dem don't vote for them only because they don't trust gun grabbers

>>2350203
damn you right tho

burned

>>2351258
Yes that too, gun rights to Democrats is what abortion is to Republicans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrH_cPby2Ug

>>2351117
>Entirely the fault of the veto-holding Executive
You are a suicidal kind of stupid. First, the legislature must create a budget. Yes, California has a legislature, and no, the Republican Commando cannot gun them down if he disagrees with them.

This is also true in the Fed's reality, rather unlike the homosexual fantasy held by Republicans that a single all-powerful authoritarian can dictate the law of the land.

This was also true during Republican-dominated federal governments. Carter held fine despite being a Jew-hating German until shadow!Bush, Bush I and Bush II exploded the debt.

The big thing about Brown is to have a balanced budget. Which he did. Six times now this block of terms. Which is a 100% success rate. While simultaneously being blamed by Republicans for the deficit. This is why Californians don't care about taking away red states' gibmedats.... What did Brown do when he was governor decades ago, anyway?

>>2351217
Meanwhile, your meat is raised in factories and your "jobs" are not scientific but in food service, housekeeping, janitorial services and so on with no hope of advancement and encroached by robots.

They didn't have robots in the 60s. Your state is good by 1960s standards, I guess.

>>2351723
How does this invalidate my point?

They had budget. He vetoed it. They in fact, repeated this processes - they had three budgets, before the deadline, and he vetoed all three in succession. And then, when the deadline had passed, he took the second budget he vetoed, line-item vetoed all of four items, and passed it.

How is that anyone's fault, but the veto-holding executive? (Without going back to the insanity that put him in office to begin with.)

>>2351823
The veto-holding Executive cannot define how the money is allocate. The legislature does that. He can strike things out, and hold things up, and then do what you said and have a few poorly-run state assets. On the other hand, a real budget that attempts to reduce debt will have many poorly-run underfunded state assets for as long as required to repay the debt. The issue is that the legislature created a false impression among the populace, within CA and abroad, that Brown-style budget balancing is unnecessarily convoluted, when in reality, it's just about exactly at the definition of creating a long-term budgeting habit.

In other words, Schwarzenegger or not, so long as the legislature is Republican, a few high-profile state assets will receive maximum funding and everything else might as well not exist or will suffer, as their objective is brainwashing the population into believing their way is sane budgeting. Of course, when actual budgeting occurs by a Democrat legislature, all those fancy prisons and such go to shit because they were oversold to begin with. When the economy then recovers, as it has now, the long-term effects are typically not seen until Republicans dominate - - because they screamed the budget was unsustainable exactly when it was, for the umpteenth time, just starting to one again become sustainable.

Rinse and repeat over and over again, or: See Obama's issues where Republicans bloated the financial burden of ACA and blocked meaningful pharmaceutical reform, then screamed it was was the Democrats' fault because their Executive signed-off on the end of the Republican's mini-financial Vietnam.

This happens over and over and over again and it leads to an autocratic Republican Executive distracting the public while a plutocratic Republican legislature fucks everything up all over again.

>>2352320
But, the budget passed the house - all three budgets passed the house (yes, over a handful of GOP objectors). Then the governor vetoed them, knowing full well it'd take at least a week to get another one through each time he did so.

There were only four items the Governor removed from the bill, which had hundreds, and he removed them himself via line item. He could have done the same with any of the three, including the first one. He didn't even use the third one that was stripped down according to his requests - he used the second he had previously rejected. ...And cost California ~$30 billion in write-offs by unnecessarily delaying the budget.

I'm just failing to see how this isn't all one asshole's fault.

>>2340971
>economically powerful state
Have you seen their budget?

>>2352404
Looking better than usual really, still in surplus, even if that wall isn't getting any smaller.

Biggest state economy in the nation, ergo, also the biggest debt, much like the union it belongs to.

In the end, Cali pays more money than anyone, because they make more money than anyone.

>>2343119
Back to pol

>>2352359
Hmm. I may be yet unfamiliar with my own state's history. I might...- I might have to diff some bills. Thank you for your insight.

I should also note I had no idea what you were taking about and was responding randomly refusing to lose an argument I rather arbitrarily decided to involve myself in. Or maybe at some point I replaced whoever you were arguing with. Who knows. Not even i know anymore.

>>2341177
>solar technology
>not the biggest meme of our time.
Enjoy those fluctuations in the power grid.

Batteries are too inefficient to actually store all the solar you generate.

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>>2342454
>>2353046

This thread is literally, objectively fucking shit, and nearly every post is its own little bubble universe of stupid shitposting.

But here's a futile effort to post intelligent things that will be ignored by all the fucking dimwits that are posting in here.

California began investment in solar energy years before the rest of the country. Power plants and efficency standards, along with incentives for roof panels, has lead to more solar manufacturing than anywhere outside China. Not only is the global market ballooning, but California currently produces so much energy because of new solar, old power plants, and efficiency standards that the problem the state faces is that power plants are closing because they can't make enough money.

Anyway, I hope mods permanban every one of you, go sit on your own dicks.