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You have two men
One is a regular worker. He spends twelve hours a day at the factory, gets his shitty paycheck and goes home with it. He has three daughter and a wife and is barely making enough to support them. He doesn't know it, but he has so little money because he is getting robbed by banks/employer/politicians and everyone who can touch his finances. Not knowing this, he just continues his life, working all day, earning half of what is work is worth, and spending the money on unnecessarily expensive/plain bad products.
The other one is self-aware citizen. He works eight hours a day in the office. He checks everything. His back account, his savings, what products is he buying, how much is the employer paying him etc. He spends his time making sure that he isn't getting robbed. He earns exactly how much he should, he buys only verified and good products, he chooses the momentarily best bank to save his money.
Now which one will have a happier life? The man who is getting robbed without knowing it? Or the man who is constantly in stress about buying the best products and having the best deals?
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In a free market society the workers get exactly what their work is worth.
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People who spend 12 hours meticulously researching the ins and outs any product more expensive than $50 before they buy it are insufferable imho. Not worth it. Nobody retired early and bought a Lamborghini by cutting coupons and hunting for deals.
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>>2339024
Worth is not a well-defined term and the possible existence of such a society hasn't been proven
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>>2339027
How is knowledge "not worth it"?
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>Getting robbed
Monies have no owners
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>>2339015
That is a pretty shit comparison. What if the dumb labourer gets into debt because his wife and daughters spend huge amounts of stuff they can't afford? And then suddenly, the labourer, besides his long work hours, has to pick up extra jobs/work around the house just to make sure they don't get evicted and have enough food?
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>>2339031
You're not entitled to earn whatever you think is "fair", regardless of your skills and supply & demand for labor. Deal with it.
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>>2339042
Life is tough and women are natural whores. Nothing personnel.
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>>2339037
We could spend time here arguing about how could or couldnt the life turn out for each of these, but that is outside the main point.
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>>2339048
Ah the classical debating of imaginative opponents. Your post is completely non-sequitur.
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>>2339056
Of course that is the point, because situations don't exist in a vacuum. It is like saying:
Person A suffers from a bunch of mental disorders, but is always happy. Person B is normal and sometimes sad. Who is happier?
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>>2339067
But if you want to start making up hypothetical scenarios, then we would get hang up on it and miss the point. This isn't about finding out if the worker has happier life than office worker, rather than about finding out if its better to live in sweet ignorance or stressful awareness. Worker and office worker are just examples.
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>>2339048
>>Deal with it
I love the childish petulance that this phrase embodies.
Oh yeah, people do make dealings by the way, either by electing governments that favor redistribution of wealth, or by eventual rebellion against the state.
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>>2339015
>constantly in stress about buying the best products and having the best deals
why would you be in stress about this, you don't have to spend 4 hours a day researching your purchases
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>>2339116
t. Welfare (drag) queen
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>>2339078
Yeah but ignorance comes with a price. Basically it boils down to: the labourer won't have any spare cash so if something happens he is fucked. So to consider fairly you will have to assume shit goes downhill with some chance.
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>>2339027
>Nobody retired early and bought a Lamborghini by cutting coupons and hunting for deals.
Many, many people retire early by managing their money frugally and intelligently. Including both of my parents, and someday me (unless civilization collapses or whatever).
"Buying a lamborghini" is an example of managing your money like a retard, so that's sort of contradictory.
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>>2339024
>n a free market society the workers get exactly what their work is worth.
They CAN get what it is worth, but that doesn't stop their ignorance from being taken advantage of.
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>>2339203
If they're ignorant/idiots then whatever leftovers they get after being scammed is EXACTLY what they're worth.
The entire argument of free market is that whatever anyone gets for pay, is exactly what they're worth.
I could get behind that. If you're unhappy with what you're making, it's up to you to get that number up. Not for the state, because you're worth no more than what you're able to negotiate.
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>>2339239
>define worth as what you get
>people get what they get
>hurrdurr i'm le ebic economist
Did you even pass 1st grade?
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>>2339254
It's just a way to shut retards up who complain and bitch and moan about their wages and how they're "being scammed".
That's what they're worth. Because they keep bitching and moaning yet still remain there.
Like jesus either accept you're worthless or do something about it.
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>>2339015
Probably the first guy because he has a family.
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>>2339413
>t. unemployed
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>>2339435
Almost but not quite :^)
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>>2339442
At least you're honest. A lot of people have extenuating circumstances that coerce them into staying in a particular job, even if they might feel motivated to go after something better. I can understand that being a 19 year old unemployed male you wouldn't ever think about people who have children or people who have some kind of chronic medical condition. It's not just "bitching and moaning," it's called real life.
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>>2339015
Thank you for the wallpaper. Got any similar ones?
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>>2339461
>think of the children
The real question is how it will be paid for. Are you willing to kill or imprison someone for refusing to give you food stamps?
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>>2339048
>Deal with it.
We did deal with it. By making unions and labor laws.
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>>2339960
Who got in bed with the corrupt government because unions set up union bosses, defeating the purpose.
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>>2339960
Unions are very important to some economic systems. With the decline of actual productive labor, you're seeing a siphoning of union activity into more sedentary, complacent behavior.
For instance, Keynes stipulates that wage unions are important because of their ability to regulate money-wages which can help raise the interest rate to prevent an unnecessary draw on financial institutions like we saw with the subprime lending crisis.
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>>2340001
Also, it would help raise the elasticity of wages relative to the elasticity of prices lowering the elasticity of output, meaning profit increases accrue more to the laborer than to the entrepreneurs, among other various little economic effects.
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