Unification of the Celts

>>2329493
>Irish
>celts

>>2329494
Oh look a UK shit poster already....
p-p-please everyone just keep the UK the UK
*whimpers* dont leave me alone

>>2329493
there aren't really any cornish speakers anymore though

>>2329519
same for bretons who speak breton or welsh speaking welsh

>>2329519
I do recognize that, and thats part of the reason why now is so vital. If one wants preserve any scrap of Celtic culture, it must be done now. Pan-Celticism, seeks to re-ignite the celtic peoples, as well as unearth more of the lost ways of their culture. Considering all the support nationalism, and "tribalism" has right now (by Tribalism I am referring to, loving ones ethnic group and other Nationalistic ideas etc.) I think it is the best time for this to happen lest we lose all traces of the Celtic peoples, beyond the red hair, and laughing stock of historians.

>>2329522
Perhaps what is necessary for Celtic languages to survive is a mixing of the languages themselves.
By this I am referring to the idea of creating a new language based off a basic agreed upon Celtic roots (as in language roots)
This new Celtic nation could not only revitalize these dead languages, but they can modernize them, and the Celtic peoples.
It ought to be the duty of every Celtic person everywhere to be a Pan-Celticist

>>2329553
If the jews did it why not ?
It would be a shame if such an interesting culture and people would assimilate and disappear.

>>2329559
Exactly, say what you want about Israel, but at least the Jewish people wont fade into oblivion. Besides there are a ridiculous amount of Celts in Diaspora probably more than the Jews. I think this movement could really work

>>2329522
Unlike many of the other Pan-Celtic movements of the past, this one is a nationalistic one
Together we will make something truly great and save one of the ancient cultures of the world.
The Celts like the jews deserve a homeland of their own.

because this thread handles the celts, why were the Irish never able to come close to uniting the country?
they had one guy but it fell together when he and some of his sons were killed in battle.

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>>2329719
>why were the Irish never able to come close to uniting the country?
They did come close quite often but it was never really managed. Usually there wasn't any real political will for it and the zeitgeist of a unified Ireland was centered around an unusually powerful King or Lord who was very domineering and charismatic. Brian Boru, Brian O'Neill, Edward Bruce, etc. Even they faced pockets of resistance from other Irish kings who would rather align themselves with foreigners on the promise of more power and wealth,

That's not to say there wasn't a sense of commonality or solidarity among the various Irish kingdoms. They viewed themselves as being the same ethnic group, spoke the same language, followed the same laws, altogether recognised a High King, but the political situation was more like the Holy Roman Empire or the English Heptarchy

>>2329719
>why were the Irish never able to come close to uniting the country?

their currency was cows

>>2329508
How can I tell from this post that you like sex with men?

>>2329565
I'm an Irish-American, does that mean I would get some kind of right of return?

>>2329553
Why not just revive Gaulish?

>>2330392
You already have that if you really are Irish enough to be calling yourself that.

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We must build a wall around the Anglos and their Muslamic overlords.

BUILD WALL

>>2330392
>irish american
>"my grandpa was 1/20 irish, i'm 100% celtic me!"

>>2330535
>capital is Glasgow
>not Dublin

>>2330540
I'm 65% Irish

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Just try it you ginger, pie-faced, scum and I'll be among the first in line to come over and crush you into potato dust beneath my Anglo-Saxon soles where you belong.

>>2330556

Anglo-Saxon pussies have been cucked since 1066. Now cucked by Islam. Sad!

>>2330545
you're a plastic paddy, fuck off

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>>2330565
sure kid

>>2330535
>union with the first muslim minister in europe calls england muslim

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>>2330579

Speak up Englandstan I can't hear you over all those call to prayers

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4193642/Muslim-pupils-outnumber-Christian-children-CoE-school.html

>>2330574

You're a plastic Jihadi

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>>2330588
many cases like this! SAD!

>>2330591

Sinn Fein have never been in power in Ireland. Not even in the south. Whereas Labour and the Conservatives welcome mass immigration half of which is non-EU.

The nine years war was so close to an Irish victory it's crazy, it's the closest the Irish have been to an independent entity since the establishment of the free state

Hugh O'Neil and the various chieftains of ulaidh used guerrilla tactics very effectively. The war is only really remembered for the battle of kinsale but there were countless battles similar in size where the Irish demolished the English. The English losses were out of proportion to the Irish losses, the Irish acted as an effective unit.

The war was so damaging to the English that if it lasted another year the British exchequer would have went bankrupt and Britain itself would be in turmoil.

Hell, even the battle of kinsale could have been won if communication was effective and the Spanish forces actually engaged the English. The only way the English could win the war was by bribing traitorous and corrupt Irish chieftains and by causing purposeful famines in Ulster by attacking civilian settlements (typical move of the English)

After the war the English so badly wanted to avoid another insurrection in Ireland that they granted the rebellious chieftains their land back, but instead oneill left with his allies in the flight of the earls to try and gain support for Irish independence in Spain.

It must be the most overlooked period of Irish history, one of the most significant certainly. If O'Neil succeeded then many historians theorise an Irish nation with the oneills at the head of the monarchy may have been created.

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>>2330781
I TRIED SO HARD

>>2329553
Welsh and Irish split thousands of years ago. Its enough of a challenge to get people to speak Irish which at least is a real language, I don't see how you will convince people to speak a made up language.

>>2330781
glad you mention this 1500s irish history is pretty sick based off my readings from the tudor perspective.

>>2329493
>Kingdoms

no thanks, had enough of that shit already m8
try "Celtic Confederation"

>>2329719
This is besides the point, I am proposing a new Celtic Nationalistic state. Nobody else has tried this in history, granted they struggled enough uniting their own respectable regions, nobody has tried to unify the people like the italians, germans, etc.

>>2330392
Yes of course I think all celtic peoples ought to be allowed a right of return. One could work it out like the jews do with Israel

It seems many of you are missing the point, that this isnt so much about the past failures of people trying to unite regions, of the celtic world, rather going into the future how we can unite them all into one state. The world has changed a lot and frankly I think Celtic Nationalism would be welcomed with open arms by most Celts. Clearly the UK would have a hissy fit but, its worth it to save the Celtic culture and people.

>>2331845
I understand the caution behind "Kingdoms", however the two longest governments that have stayed in power in world history are the UKs monarchy since William the conqueror, and the Japanese Emperors. I only say kingdoms because a monarch helps unite a group of people, give them something to follow at first. Basically it buys us time to rebuild the crumbling celtic culture. Also once appointing this monarch strip them down to no power, like the Japanese and English Monarchs today. All it is, is another symbol of unity. Other then that I think it ought to function like the US does and make all the Celtic areas into states. In the long run we can do away with a monarch but for now it could serve as another symbol of unity among the Celtic peoples.

>>2330781
>countless irish victories

Google tells me the England thrashed them several times, and most of the irish victories were easy wins for reasons like numbers on either side.

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>>2330781
>>2330781
Mmm yes so close

>>2329493
>MUH distilled Celtic DNA
If you were pure your chin would reach your feet, you would howl at the moon and much more else
Scotland would crumble without English suppourt for the NHS due to mass obesity
What can Ireland actually do better than London itself
Wales would just be like a Balkan country
You achieve nothing from this besides UN A E S T H E T I C borders, an easily conquerable state, and country that requires credit to work

>>2332621
>>2332648
Wrong nine years war...

>>2332663
>le unaesthetic borders may may
How about giving the north back to Ireland? Ireland will and forever shall be a separate independent entity.

>If you were pure your chin would reach your feet, you would howl at the moon and much more else

What did he mean by this?

>>2332669
It's not 'the wrong one' that's the term historians use, and as this is suppoused to be the board historical students use and not /pol dropouts id hope you'd know the name.

>MUH Irish independence
Only achieved because you were halfway through and realised you couldn't turn back
>hmm Austria-Hungary and Germany promised Poland a free state after the war
>Hmm they've been ignoring women's rights in parliament in favour of home rule
>how could we best secure independence
>HUSSAR we'll start a war and it'll be like the battle of golden spurs
>killing a cripple somehow got the people on our side
>ALL POWER TO THE PROLETARIAT

>>2332680
Spanish hapsburgs line taken to the extreme

>>2332702
Would of happened in the 20th century at some stage lad. Irish history is just constant insurrections. Regardless, that may have been the nine years war that is most well known but anyone with any semblance of historical knowledge knows that the flight of the earls and Hugh oneill happened long before the Jacobite wars. Britains cruel policies and the yearning for Irish nationhood for hundreds of years got the people on their side, not to mention the entire country voted for Sinn Fein (minus Ulster) prior to the war of independence. The war of independence occurred after WW1 however, stop trying to excuse it. It happened, it was successful, Ireland will be a nation for quite some time.

>>2329493
Reminder that the English are 80% Celt.
The United Kingdom is literally the Celtic Kingdoms, minus a bit of Ireland, and Brittany.

>>2330574
Why the fuck do you worthless Europeans hate Americans who identify our fucking heritage so much? I mean, we literally are from Europe. We didn't sprout out of the ground, or descend from the fucking Indians.
I'm literally descended from the English and the Scottish. Why the Hell can't I fucking recognize that, just because I live in fucking America? Fuck off, you jealous, worthless assholes.

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I actually would support the idea of establishing a Celtic state.

>tfw no Celtic bf

Not even Celtic, by the way.

>>2332817
Tom Brady is a purebred Celt - as are many respected Americans

Is there a bigger meme-ethnicity than Celtic?

>>2329553
>every Celtic person everywhere
Are you talking about the diaspora here? That would amount to tens of millions of people who don't speak a word of any Celtic language and who are completely assimilated into their New World societies.

Good luck... How would you even feed/house these people in your pan-Celtic nation?

>>2332843
Take in 100,000 at a time. Force them to assimilate into native Gaelic culture. The entire population will speak Gaelic languages as enforced by the authoritarian state.

>>2332663
>This is what Anglos actually believe

>>2332725
English are Germanic

>>2332860
Not genetically.

>>2332843
It worked for the Jews

>>2332864
Yes they are

>>2332864
>Angles
>Saxons
>Jutes
>Normans
>Danes
>OMG THEY'RE BASICALLY CELTS

>>2332869
>>2332871
Real sources please.

>>2332877
Burden of proof is on you, mon ami

>>2332877
>Real source that the Anglo-Saxons are Anglo-Saxon please

>>2332663
someone butthurt that muh British Empire doesn't exist anymore. Go back home and drink some tea while the first men dominate you and your woman.

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>>2332884
British = native Brythonic peoples

The Germanic migrations only made a dent in York and the very south and southeast. England is a nation with a Germanic ruling class and Celtic everything else genetically. Scotland and Wales are obviously genetically Celtic.

>>2332869
>>2332871
http://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2015-03-19-who-do-you-think-you-really-are-genetic-map-british-isles#
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-35344663

>>2332669
No, I mean the same one you do. Big Hugh.

The irish got their ass kicked, a lot. And only won battles that it would have been shameful to lose.

>>2329493
>>2329553
>let's unite all celtic peoples into one celtic union
>so what if they speak different languages, we will invent an artificial language that suits everyone
Why do I sense a burger behind this?

>>2332725
Someone has no idea who the Anglo-Saxons are. Go back to HIST 101 friend

>>2332867
Irish diaspora alone is ten times the size of the worldwide Jewry.

>>2332817
what a bro. who would be against it other than britfags

I'm just Catholic.

Can I join?

>>2332920
The Anglo-Saxons only gave England their language, you idiot.

>>2332843
I am referring to those in diaspora, i have mentioned that specifically several times. Also the Jews seem to be doing an alright enough job of it. Besides the highlands are very unexploited and can be made it something prosperous with modern tech.

>>2332927
Im open to anyone joining after the states established so long as they are ok assimilating.

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>>2332847
>Gaelic
Now hold up here. If this is going to be a goidelfest I want no part in it. The Britons have always been the more civilized Insulars anyways.

>>2332980
Arthur (Arturius) was a Roman

>>2332932
Lol what?
The Anglo-Saxons are the British people today.
The Romano-British and the Anglo-Saxons over time have basically become one people
Then the Normans came, further making the people who live in England Germanic.
Wow you must really know nothing, friend please open up a book sometime it will do you some good.

God, this LARPer is an absolute retard.

>>2332725
reminder that celts aren't genetically celtic

>>2332899
Kek, i'm sure you think the Romans were the same as modern Italians, too

>>2332988
>>2332902
>>2332899
The English are Celtic, you worthless LARPing retard, which is exactly why you all should be fine as part of the UK.

>>2332927
No papists allowed
This is going to need God's blessing if it is to succeed

>>2332991
>>2333003
You're not celtic anglofilth

>>2332986
The Right term is Romano-British
Im playing semantics because most Romano-British people where Roman, however they where also Gaelic.
Not to mention the legend of King Arthur is sooo similar to the Scandinavian legends about the sword in the tree and such that I think it probably comes from some Vikings who made up the story.
Im even more inclined to believe this is so, because apparently (so my History Proff. told me the other day while discussing this in class) that many historians believe Camelot would have been in York, not Cornwall as people had previously believed.
If that is true then it would make sense since the thats where the Vikings had a stronghold in Britannia for awhile.

>>2332986
As were the vast majority of Celts, both Insular and Continental. The Goidelic lands have always been the backwater of a backwater.

>>2333021
Were there more Roman colonists or Latinized Celts in Roman Britain?

>>2333003
The language you use, points out to all of us that clearly you are some scared Englishmen.
Its totally ok for you to Brexit, but its no ok for us wanting to leave the UK
Please go home drink some tea, let me tell you it really does help to calm the nerves.

>>2333039
You sound mentally retarded and not Irish

t. Louthman

>>2333021
>Gaelic
There you go using that word again. Gaels are Irish, and Irish only. The so-called Scottish Gaels are in fact those who were assimilated into the Gaelic kingdoms of invaders Pictland from Ireland. The Picts were likely either Britons or some other Celtic family, but were not Gaels. The Romano-British however were never Gaels, and to this day those descendants of theirs who still speak Celtic languages speak Brittonic languages, not Gaelic ones.

>>2333048
>You sound mentally retarded and not Irish
There's a difference?

>>2333037
Its hard to say, it would depend on the region to be honest. I have no evidence for what I am about to say but I believe its a good guess. Take that as you will. I would Imagine In whales and in Cornwall, where a Celtic identity still exists it remained bastions of the Celtic peoples on mainland Britain. I am inclined to believe that the closer one gets to the London area one would find more Latnized Celts as well as Roman Settlers. Also up north where Hadrian's wall would have been, I am also inclined to believe there would have been a strong Roman population, but from Hadrian's wall too lets say the area where Nottingham is is probably Latinized Celts. Once more I have no evidence, just what I feel would make sense based on where certain ethnic groups live today in Britain. Perhaps Roman Census records still exist and could be more insightful, but if they do I dont have access to them regrettably.

>>2333055
I used Gaelic in this instance as a response to someone who had used it. Perhaps if you actually looked before you had a conniption that would be clear to you

>>2333039
I'm American, not English, but even I can see how stupid you are.

>>2333113
America is ruled by anglo-saxons. You learn that in US 101 in college. Maybe when you are older you will learn that

>>2333136
And I'm completely happy with that, considering I'm proud English diaspora.
Fuck off, you mick LARPer.
The Welsh, Mannish, Cornish, Scottish, and North Irish are completely happy under English rule, and will remain so for all eternity.
Starve yourself.

>>2333037
The British Isles were a backwater even into the 11th Century, and Britannia was never as heavily integrated into the Roman economy as the more densely-populated and agriculturally bountiful Mediterranean provinces. However, the centuries of Roman presence did lead to the development of a local Latin dialect and after a long while of the garrisoned legionaries intermarrying with the natives in 212 citizenship was extended to all free inhabitants of the Empire, the Peregrini, who until then still made up the vast majority of populations outside Italy. The arrival of Christianity further institutionalized Latin as an official language. Roman colonists never made up a majority in any of the places they inhabited, but in this way they tended to assimilate the natives rather well. However, as spoken Latin was gradually lost after the withdrawal of the legions in favor of the native Brittonic, it can be presumed that the Celtic character of Roman Britain remained rather strong compared to Gaul and the Celtic areas of Spain, where Romance took hold, even in the context of similar Germanic invasions and settlement in the Migration Period.

Not sure if that's a satisfactory answer, but ancient demography is kind of fucky.

>>2333096
No, you explicitly called the Romano-British Gaels, which is factually incorrect, and in response to someone who didn't say a word about the Irish or Scottish. The Romano-British were, as the name suggests, British, of Brittonic stock.

>>2333179
Reminder you're a minority everywhere in America

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>>2333179
>The Welsh, Mannish, Cornish, Scottish, and North Irish are completely happy under English rule

>>2333203
So? This nation will continue speaking English and having English culture, so it doesn't matter whether we have full control.
>>2333206
Certainly not unhappy enough to join with you fucking micks for some retarded kingdom.

>>2333203
>>2333220
Also, New England and Utah are majority English.

>>2333220
>Certainly not unhappy enough to join with you fucking micks for some retarded kingdom.
You underestimate the disdain Celts hold for the English

>>2333234
You overestimate it.

>>2330596
>Sinn Fein have never been in power
>What is the Easter Rising

>>2333179
lol
P-p-please dont leave me alone without Ireland, Whales and Scotland, Cornwall, England gets lonely.

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>>2333253

The Easter Rising was an unsuccessful rebellion against British rule in Ireland that eventually led to widespread support for Independence, It had nothing to do with Sinn Fein lol.

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>>2332904

>this is what Anglos tell themselves

>>2332932

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/mar/18/genetic-study-30-percent-white-british-dna-german-ancestry

>>2332718
I don't even get why the Jacobite rebellions are even brought up in discussions regarding Celtic independence.
It was a movement to replace one king with another more preferably, I highly doubt any of the Stuarts gave a rats ass about Celtic identity.

>>2334452

Jacobites maintained Gaelic culture and were Catholic like those in Ireland, so yes, I'd say they did care about Celtic identity in that sense.

>>2334387
>30% German DNA makes someone non-Celtic
Celts are Germanic, anyway, so a bit of slightly different Germanic DNA doesn't really change the fact that the English are Celtic.

>>2334479
>Celts are Germanic
Read a book, fucktard

>>2334479
Nice British Meme

Brythonic Celts are different from the Irish and Scottish, fuck off.

>>2333234
Welsh here. Fuck off, England is cool.

The real celts are all assimilated, these island fuckers are all a big fucking joke

>>2329493
>Brittany leaving France
>after the huge, extremely successful Frenchification efforts
Haha, how delusional can you be?

>>2335624
cuck

>>2329493
bump

>>2336085
celts are cucks

>>2336085
Said the Cucktic.

>>2338072
Kill yourself, selfbumping shitposting retarded mick diaspora potato non-eater.

>>2334373
>"the irish only won battles they had the numbers in"
>posts a battle where the irish had the numbers

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>wanting scotland
Scots happily fought against us side by side with the british
Furthermore, protestants in the north are mostly defended from north english and scots, hence Ulster-Scots
They can stay the bitch of the english
Now the Welsh can come, the hairybacks are our friends

How did Celts go from extending from Turkey to Spain to being a dying culture?

>>2338237
bump

>>2339446
Jews

>>2333222
New England is split with the English having no majority. It is arguably also the most Catholic region in the modern US

Irish Massachusetts, New Hampshire, and Rhode Island

Italian Conneticut

French Maine and Vermont

>>2339446
the eternal roman

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>>2329493

This is the map, English was a meme invented by the Protestants in their Glorious Revolution, prior to the revolution, everyone was a Brit, after the Brits were ethnically cleansed by the Saxons.

>>2329522
Lots of Welsh people do speak Welsh in northern Wales

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>>2342128
>MUH HAPLOAUTISMS

Brits were ethnically clensed by nobody and you are the descent of saxonoceltoromanoiberian rape babies.

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>>2342137
I'm a Breton Cambro-Norman thank you.

> Brits were ethnically clensed by nobody
That's not the WASP line. The Irish are the remnants of the Celtic types, half Negroes from Spain. The Britons were the same as the Irish, but they were genocided by the Anglo Teutons.

>>2342137

> muh Autisomal

If I bang a black chick, then my sons bang a black chick, you would claim I was never European to begin with.

>>2329493
The Irish deserve 1000 potato famines and I'm saying this as a non-Brit.

>>2342189
I hate the Irish, they cut me off.

>Language
Fuck that, let's unite all western Europe which is pretty much ethnically celtic

>>2332702
Are you retarded? It's not the war he's talking about, of course it's the wrong fucking one.

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>>2330781
>but instead oneill left with his allies in the flight of the earls to try and gain support for Irish independence in Spain.
O'neill never fought for Irish independence. At first he tried to offer the Irish crown to the Spanish king, with the suggestion that the king of Spain's cousin should be made Prince of Ireland. After nothing seemed to come of that, the demands he made to England in return for peace still included English overlordship of Ireland, just with more autonomy for him and his buddies.

>traitorous and corrupt Irish chieftains
O'Neill and the other rebels were the traitors. They all took oaths of fealty to the English monarchy. And O'Neill only started the whole bloody, nine year long conflict because he was jealous that a rival of his got a prestigious position. And by prestigious position I mean O'Neill had wanted to be the crown's governor in Ulster.

>causing purposeful famines in Ulster by attacking civilian settlements (typical move of the English)
O'Neill did the exact same thing to the lords who wouldn't support him.

>The war was so damaging to the English that if it lasted another year the British exchequer would have went bankrupt
England could still afford to continue the fight a lot more than the Irish rebels.

tl;dr O'Neill was a feudal lord sworn to the English crown who betrayed his oaths over a matter of petty jealousy, starting a war that would cost hundreds of thousands of lives. The concept of him as an independence/freedom fighter is modern projection.

>>2330574
I never understand why Irish have such a hatred for their diaspora. In fact all European ethnicities do.

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>>2333203
>Reminder you're a minority everywhere in America
English is the most under-reported ethnicity in the country. Odds are if you're White, you have Anglo blood somewhere down the line

>>2341362
Immigration was never sufficient enough to replace the existing population. You think all those "Irish" are pure-bred Hibernians?

The Italians are a minority in NY, CT, & NJ; only when you break Whites up into self-designated groups do they become the minority-majority.

Question: If someone is of mixed Anglo/Irish/German ancestry, was born and raised in an Anglo country, speaks only English, and calls himself a German does that make him a German? Well, it does according to the US census.

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Stop being so butthurt about getting rekt you fucking loser. Be thankful you got BLEACHED you potatonigger.

Also
>>2329538
>beyond the red hair
Red hair amongst the Irish and Scottish (Celts elsewhere do not have that stereotype) are because of the English and the Norse, and are a reminder that your mom cucked your race by submitting to god-tier Germanic cock.

>pic name related

>>2329493
Breton are funny they are cosplaying as celt so hard everyone think they are more celt than other french

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>>2329493
t. Great grandma's second cousin's dog was an Irish greyhound

>>2332762
Because if you've lived in America all your life, you represent American culture (ie the culture of a nation that does not remotely resemble your ''''''homeland'''''). You don't get a choice about this. You're a foreigner in Ireland, because guess what pal, it doesn't matter where you're great grandad was born, you're not Irish, you're American.

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>>2342557
This.

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>>2342880
>Red hair amongst the Irish and Scottish (Celts elsewhere do not have that stereotype) are because of the English and the Norse
That's actually not true, it's a common misconception. The areas of Ireland and Scotland with the greatest prevalence of redheadedness had the least amount of interaction with the Vikings.

That's leaving aside the fact that the Vikings got pretty much annihilated in Ireland and were kept in their own ethnic enclaves, most of which were purged in the lead up to Clontarf. Waterford and Dublin were the only ones that survived. Limerick, for example, actually had its entire population wiped out after the Battle of Sulcoit.