Read the Gulag Archipelago.

>>2328637
Make me

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>>2328643

*Teleports behind you*

"Sort yourself out, kid"

>>2328637
I mean I might read it and take it as some sort of, uh, MICROexample

>>2328637
Why? I already read Koestler and Kravchenko.

>>2328637
>The Russian Revolution was done by Da Joos
t. Soltzynytzyhyn

>>2329618
Its a collection of cherry picked urban myths.
I believe some of it is true, but thats BELIEF, not knowledge. There are no facts in there, only stories.
If this book was a Wikipedia article it would get deleted for bias and [Citation Needed] epidemic.

>reading propaganda

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>>2329702
But our propaganda is true, only the political enemy's propaganda is false! Don't you know anything?

>>2328637
i started reading it cuz of him. about 30 hours in, 50 hours to go. holy fuck what a shit hole russia was. the worst stories are the ones of the engineers and scientists getting fucked because the soviets are too fucking dumb to make ration economic decisions.

>>2328637
Go pander to /pol/ elswhere

>>2330529
>holy fuck this is unbelievable!
>but it must be true, because it was printed, and a man on youtube likes it

>>2329694

What the fuck are you going on about, he barely mentions jews in the entire thing. I read Gulag about 2 months ago.

Peterson's right, people cannot imagine how quickly and just how bad things can get under communism. I mean you ask the average person how bad things would get if our government turned into a totalitarian regime and they aren't even in the bloody ballpark

>>2329694
the book was written by a jew and i dont even think he ever says the word jew more than twice in the whole book

>everything they said about the nazis was true
>everything they said about the commies was false

I want you tankie fucking retards to fuck off

>>2330635
wait, are you saying that Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn was a jew? He was not a jew. Go back to /pol/

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>>2328637
Stalin did nothing wrong you anglo fag

ps death to the west Tbh

inb4 commies start posting statistics no one believes in so they can debunk them and "prove" Stalin dindu nuffin

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>>2328637
>>2328658

>>2330561
CNN leave

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JP the real MVP

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Rescue your father /his/

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Don't let the commies scare you.

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>>2330679

> posting statistics no one believes

Isn't that more /pol/'s racket tho?

>>2328637
What would it take for a man like him to start tossing commies out of helicopters?

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>>2328637

>tfw you try to redpill your normie students but they just get butthurt at you because you didnt refer to them by their made up egotistical meme persona and gender

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>>2332598
I will be honest, Jordan Peterson will probably be the most influential thinker/philosopher of the 21st century. I am really happy this whole U of T controversy happened, because if it didn't, me and countless other people would not discover him and his channel. He legit made me a thinker, as of a philosophical and theoretical standpoint, making me looking at everything with multiple views from many angles. I rarely could see and understand a situation from multiple sides before that, even if I knew I was wrong and I really tried to understand what is how, and why. I can't really explain it, as English is not my first language, but Jordan Peterson helped me "unlock" something in me, as like everything suddenly went from chaos to order, where I could see clearly my next moves in life. I never had that before that, only a black mist in front of me where I couldn't navigate and make a path for myself. I will always be grateful for that to JP.

>>2332679
Same friend.

I will be talking about him for the rest of my life. The man has made himself a legend.

>>2328637
the genre of "Gulag Archipelago”, as determined by Solzhenitsyn himself, “imaginative study”, in other words "fiction study"

>>2331841
commies and nazis both do it and its stupid in both cases
>Stalin didn't kill literally 1/3 of the population of the USSR, so he didn't kill anybody and all the people he killed deserved it anyway
>see this picture of German soldiers committing war crimes that no one has ever used as proof of the Holocaust? Well it's fake, so the Holocaust never happened

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>40 years later, you're still triggering commies and liberals

How can one man be so based?

>>2332679
this is probably ironic but i agree

>>2330668
you dumbass im calling him a jew because the man who wrote the book is a jew

>pol maymay

im not implying him being jewish is a bad thing

>>2332679
probably not the biggest, but he is as big as Campbell before him. We can say "Jung, then Campbell, then Peterson" quite confidently.

>>2332833
No, it's not. I mean it. It just reads like that of my language restrictions, but I tried as best as I could to type my thoughts as coherently as I could.
But, yeah, I was worried I would sound edgy and cliche here.

The problem with Peterson is that he hasn't ever had an original thought. He's a good professor, as in he teaches the ideas of other people, but not his own thinker.

>>2329694
Most of the Bolsheviks were Jewish though

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>>2332824
>not being a genocide denier and dictator apologist

Were do you think you are, anon?

Soltzynytzyhyn was a dissident during wartime, he would have been shot for that in Britain. He got off pretty lightly

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>tfw you finally reach a place where meaning shines through between order and chaos but then you make a series of bad life choices and fail to speak your truth so you fall back into the underworld

>Natalya Reshetovskaya, the wife of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, said in her memoirs that The Gulag Archipelago was based on "campfire folklore" as opposed to objective fact.

Soviet Union was a totalitarian shithole. Communism practiced by them was a pathetic joke. This isn't anything shocking.

I like Solzhenyitzin for exposing Soviet system to the world but i have little respect for his glorifying of Russian Empire (which was equally a corrupt autocratic state as USSR). He was also extremely hypocritical when he decided to suck off Putin, a former KGB agent who applied the same methods of former Soviet system in his own rule, only under the mask of Russian patriotism. Modern Russians are free as they were in USSR.

>>2335229
>which was equally a corrupt autocratic state as USSR

Yeah no. They didn't operate death camps.

>>2334710

You don't know shit.

>>2335410

Actually they did, and far more than Germany

>>2335410
>>2335491

And to another point, most of the "Holocaust" pictures you see are actually images from the Gulags. Btw I'm not holocaust denying, just pointing something out

>>2335410
They also sent political prisoners to Siberia in Imperial Russia.

>>2332679
>>2332756
Pseudo-intellectuals

>>2335485
What did I say that was wrong

>>2334635
He teaches a class based around a book he wrote himself

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>>2332679
>Jordan Peterson made me an intelleckshual
This shit is too funny to be real.

>>2335694
He seems sincere, sadly.

>>2335694
>>2335708
Did you became enlightened while being in your mothers womb? Way to go philosophical hipster, keep shitting on people who found out something great in their lives.

>>2335730
Fuck off pseud.

>>2335744
I didn't expect any normal response or discussions from idiots like you anyways.

>>2335751
Simply.

F*ckin'.

Ebin.

>>2335495
>And to another point, most of the "Holocaust" pictures you see are actually images from the Gulags.

And most of the Holodomor pictures are from the Civil war and in some cases The Great Depression.

>>2332679
>>2332756
>>2332833
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>>2332898
Nothing he says is as profound as you are all making it out to be, it amounts to "the far-left is irrational".

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>>2332679
>making me looking at everything with multiple views from many angles
please expand on this baseless platitude

>>2335689
The book is a collection of other people's ideas.

Read in the late 80's. Re-read the 2010 Russian edition two years ago.
Have also read the Red Wheel, including the rewritten version of August 1914, in which Solzenitsyn gets to praise his hero that is Stolypin.
Well, I've read all works of Solzenitsyn really, of course the 'Two hundred years together', which doesn't really offer any new info on Jewish participation in the revolutionary groups of Russia (Jewish historians like Jonathan Frankel had already done this before Solzenitsyn wrote his history).

I really like Solzenitsyn's prose, even more so than Dostojevski's. Also like the fact that Solzenitsyn doesn't left his opinion on Tolstoi unclear (comes evident in the Arhipelag GULag already).

It's quite funny really that Solzenitsyn wrote a oral history of the camps, without access to any archival information and yet it has all the same information that Applebaum managed to gather in his 'GULag: History of the Soviet concentration camps'. The real difference being that Applebaum 'fails' to mention prominent Jews in the Bolsheviks or that Kiev Cheka-GP's security men 75% were Jews and that they did the practical part of the hunger-genocide of Ukrainians, in which more Ukrainian peasant were killed than Jews killed by National Socialists.

>>2335879

If that's all you get out of all the things he talks about then I'm really really sorry for you

>>2336042
>>2335918
He could read Maps of Reading or his other works and do some research instead of watching JP vids for several minutes. I will not even start explain, as it will make a big essay of things I want to say.

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>>2335730
lol, what I meant was that I find funny that the guy became interested in philosophy only after watching the youtube channel of an anti-sjw meme professor. Not interest in arts, sciences, religion... it took a youtube pwnage video to make him interested in philosophy. That and that he claimed he was the single most influential philosopher of the 21st century.

>>2331815
I've recently been connecting with my grandparents and my brothers after feeling inspiration from his talks. Feels good.

>>2328637
Where the fuck is the Sam Harris discussion part two? The way JP retreated back to his own channel and posted that open letter was kind of a cheap move too since he knew he could just throw out his convoluted view of the world and then say "can't you see any connection?" with Harris not being able to just respond immediately. Instead his fans just worshipped him in the comments. I love the guy but I didn't like that. Would kind of turn me off if I was Sam Harris to having another discussion.

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>>2328637
I find him and his ideas very interesting, but I really really wish he'd stop saying things like "there's a reason why the JK Rowling books are so popular, she got the archetypes right" when there's so much trash out there that makes millions too, in fact he even thinks Frozen is just pure propaganda so already there he's contradicting himself. That's his biggest weakness I think, he rambles and rambles on and on and goes on so many detours instead of sticking to the point. What he would need is, for isntance, for his archetypal idea to stand, is to start really weaving together all these different myths and finding the pattern within them. Not just take the Buddha, genesis and the Horus and Osiris story and just leave it there. Because I don't see anthing in this facet of his work which could not be done in some scientific sense.
He mentioned once that the danger of what he's doing is to fall into confirmation bias, but then proceeds to, in what I feel, to ignore that entirely and just ramble about the slightest connection he perceives.

>>2336177
I never said he is the single most influential philosopher of the 21st century, I said he has the potential to be because he is the first one who addressed a huge problem ongoing in western society, which people were afraid to talk/discuss about before he brought it out. He is the scapegoat everyone needed, and he knows that and use that to his advantage. And from all the ideologies and philosophers I read books about, probably only his views "clicked" with me. It's not just because he became massively popular in the last several months and agreeing with him is so "in" right now.

>>2335505
Yeah, an "imprisonment" so harsh Stalin ran off 7 times.
Russian Empire was a clumsy bear, not a brutal monster that USSR was.
Do you know how many people were hanged in the aftermath of 1905 revolution? Around 2000. That was a quiet day during Stalin's purges.

Isn't it just a big myth that the USSR was brutal

>>2335879
have you seen any of his lectures? anti-totalitarianism is about 1/30th of his actual thought, and anti-marxism is a bug on the windshield

>>2336450
lmfao

>>2335879
the far left is irrational though

>>2336450
Hardly a myth

USSR was like 2nd most brutal regime Europe saw since 30y war.

>>2334667
>over 70 years later and people still fall for the judeo-bolshevik meme
it's not just literal nazi propaganda, it's goddamn fake
people from the baltics were more overrepresented than the jews, I don't see anyone blaming Estonians for anything

>>2336497
whats the first if you don't mind me asking?

>>2336518
Lichtenstein under Franz the first

A Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich wasn't that bad

Is it true that life was better living in Nazi Germany vs. USSR?

>>2336709
Yes, Hitler did not have enough time to ruin Germany that much.

>>2336709
depends for who. I hear jews did not have such a cushy life in nazi germany but volga germans were not living the high life in the soviet union either

>>2336764
Jews didn't had it exactely cushy in Russia either. Especially once Beria was ended and USSR took a stance against Israel.

USSR was just as equally anti-semetic than Nazi Germany

>>2337371
Depends on the time period

>>2332679
He's some fucking idiot with a patreon account, how in the hell is he "influential"? Jesus you anti-SJWers really are as delusional as SJWs.

>inb4 someone posts THAT image

>>2337521
>how in the hell is he "influential"?

because of how hot and bothered he makes you SJWs.

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>>2337521
THAT image?

>>2337521
isn't he a professor

>>2332831
>calmly explain that its fiction, as the author himself admits
>LOL U TRIGRD

Lad...

>>2332679
>I will be honest, Jordan Peterson will probably be the most influential thinker/philosopher of the 21st century.

What the fuck. Seriously, what the fuck. He has ZERO new ideas. He isn't even collecting ideas from diverse sources, he's basically reciting Jung.

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>>2337521

>clinical psychologist
>taught psychology at Harvard
>currently teaching psychology at UoT

Yeah, just a fucking idiot with a patreon account. If you would even TRY to understand and learn things you might get ahead every now and then...

>>2338462
influence isn't based on new ideas

Derrida had new ideas and it was fucking disastorous

>>2338462
>he's basically reciting Jung

Don't forget a few lesser known guys like Freud, Piaget, Orwell, Huxley, Eliade, Solzhenitsyn, Nietzsche, Dostoyevsky, John Milton.... just to name a few

>>2338462
his idea of behavioural truth, though inspired by Campbell is kind of his own though, right?

>>2339314
Its also stupid.

>>2328637

There's a huge media campaign against Soljenitsyn in Russia and it's obviously supported by the authorities.

>>2334679
>Implying that he's a fascist because he hates commies

Nice ebin though

>>2336177
How does it feel to be high on your own farts?

>>2328637
Read Zemskov instead. Gulag Archipielago is fiction, Cold War propaganda.

>>2330679
>commies start posting statistics
>implying URSS wasn't a bureocratic hell and everything didn't have to be testified

Dude get your shit together. NKVD/KGB's files are the closer to the "truth" we are.

>>2339499
>everything that is negative about the Soviet Union is propaganda

>everything about the Nazis is true

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yes or now?

>>2339531
I'm not denying that Stalinist URSS wasn't a shithole or that ejecutions were justified, though. Read Zemskov, really. He's no apologist either and he's based on straight data.

>>2336503
>People from the baltics were more overrepresented than the jews, I don't see anyone blaming Estonians for anything
Poles and Lithuanians were overrepresented in the security organs for mere months (Poles for less than six months after the Bolshevik coup in the Cheka), but Jews all the way from the Bolshevik coup to 1948. The most prominent example is the Kiev Cheka-GP, whose security men were 75% Jewish - a percent that stayed steady from October 1917 to 1948.

Nikita Petrov's 'Kto Rukovodil NKVD, 1934-1941' lists NKVD personnel by nationality from 34 to 41, like the name implies and in some cases from 1917 to 1953.

And Estonians for sure as hell were never overrepresented in any commie organization.

What the hell is this constant 'de-Judaizing' bullshit in /his/ anyway? Ignorant college kiddo or Jew trying to whitewash history? Jews took part in pretty much all of the revolutionary groups of Russia - starting from Decembrist's - for a very understandable reason: they were treated as a second class citizens - or rather as non-citizens - by the Russian Empire. Why the hell woudn't they want such regime to go into cutter? Of course not all Jews thought that the revolutionary activities were a good idea, especially those old orthodox geezers cursing the gentile slavic scum.

Read Jonathan Frankels 'Prophecy and Politics: Socialism, Nationalism, and the Russian Jews, 1862-1917' to get the idea how much Jews there were in the Social Democratic party of Russia, including 'bolsheviks' and Benjamin Pinkus 'The Jews of the Soviet Union' to find how large representation the Jews had in all of the Bolshevik imposed organizations.
Erich Haberer's 'Jews and the Revolution in the 19th century Russia' is a good read too.

>>2339936
>a percent that stayed steady from October 1917 to 1948.
Because it was based on a single rumour?

>what the hell is this constant 'de-Judaizing' bullshit in /his/ anyway?
What the hell is with constant /pol/ish raids and muh judeobolshevism bullshit anyway? Don't you have your dedicated board to shitpost about Jews?

>>2339949
I provided you with four works to prove the facts written.
The Kiev Cheka-GP percentange comes from security organ archives. Where the nationality report lies (if i remember correctly, central KGB archive in Moscow) is told in that Petrov's book. You can believe or not, there is no better or more reliable number available.
During 34-41 period, the NKVD personnel in Ukraine had that same percent - 3/4 Jews.

Either you have no idea of what you're writing or you're trying to bend the truth. Which is it and if the second, why is that?

'Judeo-bolshevism', if meaning high representation of Jews in the Bolsheviks, is a fact. If the National Socialists used - with or without real knowledge of the matter - it in their propaganda, doesn't change the fact.

>>2340000
>The Kiev Cheka-GP percentange comes from security organ archives
Then you seem to have different info, so provide it. Yesterday I've read the number comes from some allegedly captured Chekist interogated by whites.

>'Judeo-bolshevism', if meaning high representation of Jews in the Bolsheviks, is a fact
It means that Jewish conspiracy had the leading position in Soviet gov. which is blatant lie, as you could always see more Jews in the cliques getting crushed like Mensheviks or Trotskist.

>>2340032
>Yesterday I've read the number comes from some allegedly captured Chekist interogated by whites.
Good going. 'Whites', so who in fact? That Bolshevik umbrella term doesn't tell who.

I provided you with work that gives annual - in some cases bi-annual - personel reports by nationality in the Cheka-GP (this means Cheka, GPU, OGPU, NKVD). If you can't be arsed to get this book - the isbn is 5787000323 -, then suit yourself. Quess I need to go local library to lend it again to provide exact page and source to some 'got info yesterday' kiddo on /his/.

>Writing about a 'fantasy' Jewish conspiracy
>In the next sentence writes about non-existing 'cliques'
'Menshevik's', 'Trotskit's', 'Rightist's', all are non-existing propaganda labels. Such 'cliques' didn't exist anywhere except in Lenin's or Stalin's imagination.

If Jews make a majority of leading organization - the politbyro - is it not a 'Jewish conspiracy'?
Two major Jews got killed in the Great purges, two responsible for the 'October betrayal', that is announcing Bolshevik coup before it went into action.
Nowhere did I write about any 'judeo-bolshevism' any way, that is your own damn fixation.

The anti-Jewish stance started when Soviet Jews started their exodus to Israel, that is in the last years of Stalin and during the reign of all following leaders.

Try reading those works I listed (three are available in English, the first in Russian) and make up your own damn mind.
Frankel's, Pinkuses and Haberer's work give a proof that none of the revolutionary groups in Russia could have gone anywhere without Jewish participation; they 'provided the oil for revolutionary machinery' Haberer writes in the very beginning of his book and the details follow.

>>2340084
>Mensheviks don't exist

? ? ?

>>2340095
That label was made by the self-imposed 'Bolsheviks': both 'mensheviks' and 'bolsheviks' were of the Social Democratic party of Russia.

That labeling was a propaganda move by Lenin and his merry followers, who wanted to take over the party without democratic process and labeled themselves as being in the 'majority opinion'.

>>2340105
So they were real?

btw here's some reading before I google up the Kto rukovodil nkvd
>http://summit.sfu.ca/system/files/iritems1/4599/b1444284x.pdf
look up page 28 and 43

>>2340084
>Quess I need to go local library to lend it again to provide exact page and source to some 'got info yesterday' kiddo on /his/.
Materials produced by the Special Investigative Commission in the South of Russia provide insights into the Kiev Cheka and its command personnel (based on the testimony of a captured Cheka interrogator) 25: “The headcount of the `Cheka´ staff varied between 150 and 300 … percentage-wise, there was 75% Jews and 25% others, and those in charge were almost exclusively Jews.”

A. Solzhenitzin: 200 years together, its easily accesible on "alternative" sites

Now could you point me to pdf of Kto rukovodil NKVD by N. Petrov? I have trouble finding a link thats not behind a paywall.

>>2339314
It's not really new, it's just modern pragmatism. With that being said

Jordan Peterson is the fucking GOAT

Much like Zizek he is rehashing old ideas in a new, modern, jacket. Hats of to Jordan and Zizek for doing it though.

>ywn have comfy conversations with Dr Peterson

>>2336709
There's a reason scientists like Bernstein analyze the Nazi system in order to create a perfect welfare state

People were pretty happy in Nazi Germany, that is if you were an Aryan, not so much an Untermensch

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>>2331805
>expanding image
>not expanding

>>2328658
My sides