Debate

>>2322685
>importance
>religion

>>2322685
>being an atheist

>>2322685
>WESTORN CIVILISHUN
Leave, /pol/yp

Level 4: be an atheist but participate in all of the rituals of the religion you were born into to virtue signal.

>>2322700
AKA LARPing

>>2322685
>meaningless greentext

>>2322695
>western civilization isn't a valid term
Leave, dumbass

>>2322714
It means literally nothing. It's a buzzword /pol/yps use when they mean "white"

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>>2322692
Having a binding set of morals which are in coherence with the society you live in is a benefit I'd say. Religion provided this and if we don't replace it with an alternative society will degrade. Not OP but surely you can see that importance, even if you don't necessarily agree with the morality imposed by a particular religion?

>>2322685
Looks about right.

level 5:
found your own religion and gain followers

>>2322718
I think Reddit is more your speed.

>>2322718
Slavs are white and aren't part of The West.

>>2322725
Some are, some are not

>>2322723
Epic rebuttle, /pol/yp
>>2322725
Most /pol/yps don't consider them white
Also,
>white
What makes someone white?

>>2322718
As much as I hate /pol/, western civilization is a completely valid term and is used in many academic contexts.

>>2322732
>What makes someone white?
pink nipples

Religion is useful to control the population. Most people can function properly without religion and give in to anomy. Many conservative Roman thinkers didn't believe in the gods but supported religion to keep the cohesiveness of society. I support their view. There is also the possibility of using a lay religion, like communism for the Soviet Union or the American civil religion, but i think it's not nearly as efficient as a proper religion.

>>2322732
Western civilization exists no matter how much you despise it, Pedro/Abdul.

>>2322718
It refers to the liberal democracies in western europe (and a few of its ex-colonies with similar political systems such as Canada and Australia) who share similar cultures and ways of thinking. Nothing to do with colour of skin, many white-skinned peoples are not included in this group.

>>2322718
It's a common term. Why are you so butthurt by it?

>West = Western Europe and it's colonies
>East = East Asia
>Muslim World = non Sub Saharan Muslim countries
>Latin America = Former Spanish/Portuguese colonies in America
>Sub Sahara Africa = Countries below the Sahara desert
And many more

>>2322741
I understand that, but I hate it when idiots (/pol/yps) use it as a unifying banner to regard all "whites", as if all whites want to unify and kick out all those shitskins for the name of westorn civilsatiun!!!

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>>2322732
>Most /pol/yps don't consider them white
and what? that makes it true? fuck off

>>2322755
this thread had nothing to do with race till you made it about that

>>2322755
But they don't. They always claim that Slavs aren't part of it.

>>2322685
>Realizing the importance of something but rejecting or not practicing it
That's stupid. That's like being against the obesity epidemic but being a 600 pound fatass

>>2322755
We do,though. Becoming a minority in your ancestral homeland is bad. In fact being a minority is inherently bad. Read up on intersectionality.

>>2322755
That's true, but I don't think OP meant it in that way. This board is generally pretty good about not being /pol/-ish.

>>2322766
>MUH PEOPLE
>MUH ANCESTORS
Leave, >>2322766
/pol/yp

>come back to my thread
>some fag sperging out about a term used in my meme image
epic

>>2322763
>That's like being against the obesity epidemic but being a 600 pound fatass

Nope, that's like being against the obesity epidemic but not actively doing anything to stop it.

>>2322770
Are you denying being a minority is bad? Are you denying entire academic disciplines that are devoted to studying this?

>>2322770
>intersectionality
>/pol/yp

Get the fuck back to plebbit you ignorant retard.

>>2322777
For LARPers, yes being a minority might suck because strangers might not have the same color of cock as you.
>>2322778
KYS, /pol/yp

>>2322685
Level 4: Recognize religion is for simple, lazy people who don't want to earn their way by crossing the desert on their own. Everything is forgiven in religion, except when it's punishable by death or eternal rape.

>>2322770
White privilege exists and I will fight tooth and nail to ensure it continues to exist.

>>2322722
This.

People who fall into the "God tier" category usually end up doing this.

>>2322755
>Whites uniting under the banner of western civilization scares me
Leave

>>2322788
I bet you will, LARPer

>>2322791
>I cannot read
Typical /pol/yp. Shouldent you be worshiping white cock like our proud ancestors did?

Reddit autism destroys another thread...

>>2322800
>Eveything I don't like is Reddit
/pol/yps, everybody.

>>2322718
>western culture is nazi culture
why can't liberals into logic?

>>2322804
>white people are evil I hate them even though I live high on the hog in countries white people built

Reddit everyone

>>2322804
>says the person who raged at a term for no reason

>>2322810
Pol has a Nazi culture, and pol used the term to describe everything white. Learn to read
>>2322811
I like white people too /pol/yp, I just don't live in a fantasy world where all whites are united and love eachother

>>2322816
Never raged, just giving my thoughts, /pol/yp

>>2322821
You know how in all your Reddit fantasies humans unite to fight aliens? Well whites will eventually unite to kick out the Muslims when the demographic time bomb reaches a boiling point.

>>2322821
>>2322825
It's not normal to instantly think of an imageboard when someone uses a common geopolitical term.

You might need help.

>>2322835
Yes /pol/yup! Yes! That will totally happen! It's not like whites themselves are pushing for more people that are not white to come into EUROPA!!!

>>2322845
Just wait redditor you shall see
White people will not go the way of the Native American
Peacefully

Level ∞
Realize that Western society is a transient phase in the development of humanity, and we must be prepared to relinquish our sentimental ties to the old paradigm in order to move forward as a species

>>2322848
Can you LARP any harder?

my level
you're still not on it.

>>2322851
Why does it anger you so? Le pen will win and the EU will be dismantled within 5 years. Putin is throwing money at every far right organization in Europe that he can. I'd buy a plane ticket to Algiers if I were you Abdul!

>>2322685
I'm 3, though I wouldn't be so narcissistic to call myself so great.

So, level 3 is "has studied history" okay, but even then you can still be an intellectual and be fundamentally against religion. The question is whether or not humanity would have been able to do the great things it did sans religion. Some people say no, some people say yes. I side with religion, I think there's something about reaching beyond base human nature that is inherently a religious experience though I don't know if Catholicism deserves as much credit as some people give it.

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I know this is a humanities board so you people dont believe in numbers and statistics but if your theory is that religion is fundamental to civilization why do real life statistics show atheist and societies people are more civilized?

>>2322999
Atheistic societies in modern times?

When people are well off enough usually so they don't need the threat of eternal hellfire to keep them in line?

In modern times in most mildly developed countries you don't exactly have the opportunity to discreetly kill a guy and steal his land like you used to be able to. That's where religion helped.

>>2322685
>not being an agnostic atheist

>>2322753
>West = Western Europe and it's colonies
So Africa is western now?

>>2323017
You have no evidence to support your ridiculous claims

>>2323026

South Africa debatably. He's obviously referring more to North America / Australia, though, they are almost always part of the category when someone says "western countries".

>>2323037
No evidence to support what?

The burden of proof that atheistic countries are more civilized lies with you. And modern society is not going to be the major reference of the utility of religion.

>>2322999

Secular countries didn't emerge from a vacuum, you know.

>>2323048
Its common knowledge just look at national statistics

>>2323052
"Just look it up lmao."

>>2323056
You already know what I'm reffering to, its common knowledge I'm not doing your googling in my phone

>>2323065
Name a single country that's mostly Atheist.


The only one I know is Russia.

>>2323069
Are you fucking kidding? France? UK? Denmark? russia is mostly orthodox christian

>>2323069

He's probably conflating "atheist" and "secular"

>>2323081
Orthodox Christianity has been on the rise since the fall of the Soviet Union, yes. But they've had a very large atheist population for much of their recent history.

Even now they have more atheists than any of the 3 countries you mentioned, unless you just assume anyone who doesn't care or is agnostic is an atheist.

>>2323081

>France?

Overwhelmingly catholic. 83–88%,

>UK

59.3% Christian

>Denmark

80% Christian

That's not including minority religions.

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>>2323095
>>2323082
>>2323081
The big issue is he's confusing people who simply don't care or say they're atheists with "convinced" atheists, people who have a full belief that there is no god.

Atheism isn't even a good indicator of the non-religious status of a nation. For that, you'd need to include everyone who doesn't have a religion or who admits to not being dedicated to their faith.

>>2323095
>According to the Eurobarometer Poll conducted in 2010,[3] 27% of French citizens responded that "they believe there is a God"
>A Eurobarometer opinion poll in 2010 reported that 37 per cent of UK citizens "believed there is a God",
>According to a Eurobarometer Poll conducted in 2010,[2] 28% of Danish citizens responded that "they believe there is a God"
Are you American by anychance?
>>2323093
There is no evidence supporting that the majority of soviet union populace was atheist

>>2322766
You can say that about europeans but not the americas or australia. That's amerindians homeland. And they are a minority in their own lands.

>>2322685
Religion used to be a very useful tool to control people with, though today it is not so much. The media is much more useful today

>>2323134
>There is no evidence supporting that the majority of soviet union populace was atheist

They were basically forced by the state to become atheists, or it was off to camp.

>>2322719
Thats stupid

if the wellbeing of our civilization is dependent on lies it should fall

>>2322749
>liberal democracies

So its a relatively new thing? Was Nazi Germany western? Why some colonies and not others?

Western civilization is a retarded term.

>>2324729
>if the wellbeing of our civilization is dependent on lies it should fall

Why?

>>2323081
>russia is mostly orthodox christian

Most Russians are actually Catholics, they just don't know that they are.

please name all the great civilisations that have existed that were atheist

>>2324729
All civilizations are based on lies. Your only choice is which lies you choose to follow

>>2322685
Truly God Tier is realising that religion is just a bit of fun and you should only partake if you like the aesthetic.

>>2324931
Numerous Indian civilisations.

>>2324965
The problem is the existence of God is indisputable logical fact

As Stirner aptly pointed out, humanism is a religion, so you don't need Christianity if you have secular humanism.

>>2324977
Humanism is even worse than Christfaggotry though

>trying to force me to believe hairless apes are special because it makes your feelsies have purpose

Read this if you want undeniable proof of Gods existence

http://www.newadvent.org/summa/1002.htm

>>2322685
But the importance doesn't have to do with religion, just the fact that religion is some form of moral tradition. It could be any moral tradition

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>being called a /pol/yp

I ain't even mad

>>2322685
desu I was raised as an atheist and I can't get myself to believe anything, but I think a soft religious law to complement the secular law would be good

Some people cannot get kept in check by the fear of jail and would be kept in check by the fear of hell instead

Also yes, no matter what, you cannot deliberately shit openly on a religion that has been your country's history for 1500 years

>>2325036
Not precisely, the power of religion as a moral tradition comes from the fact that it has objective morality that comes from a higher authority than Man. A manmade system of morality can be freely altered and edited by men to suit their whims, not so with the morality from God.

Subjective morality will always fail because no man has higher authority than another when it comes to creating their own personal value systems. What happens when two people with completely different value systems collide? They fight. We're seeing it all over the west at the moment, elections are being won on a knifes edge while left and right become more polarized, each side believing the other to be a direct threat to their nations.

>>2325063
Euthyphro's dilemma.

>>2322800
>>2322804
There's literally nothing wrong with being autistic, a redditor or a /pol/ack.

>Saving Western Civilsation is equating to /pol/
I hate this board sometimes

>>2322755
Triggered darkie detected

>>2322821
You know that /pol/ is 90% larping asian kids, right?

>>2322821
neo/pol/ isn't even white. It's mostly just mongrelized American redditors LARPing now.

>>2325269
There are many kikes and spics LARPing as white supremacists on /pol/. They shill extreme beliefs in order to influence whites to do something violent and look bad to the media, resulting on calling for more diversity and censorship. It's apparently working, the Quebec faggot that shot up a mosque allegedly was a regular there.

>>2324982
But Abrahamic religions are the same

>>2326184
just because they're the best doesn't mean they're the same.

>>2322685
I can agree with this.

Level 4 would be Recognize and respect the importance of non-batshit religion in all societies.

LEVEL 4
>SAVED TIER

Recognizing that Jesus saves and the Bible is literally true and that the world is controlled by secret societies that want you to stop believing in God.

Childhood is blindly accepting everything your parent's religion teaches.

Adolescence is rejecting all things religious, while watching Bill Maher and pretending to think for yourself

College is when you realize that religion is usually a force for good in the world, and you've moved for a cautious acceptance of it

Adulthood is realizing you were right the second time, but vow to be less of an asshole this time. You adopt a cautious version of skepticism, being most skeptical of skepticism itself.

Old age is when fear of impending death and constant soiling yourself drives you to accept religion one last time.

>>2322685
Replace level 3 with Varg Vikernes and I'll accept it.

>>2326226

>the Bible is literally tue

Level 5: realize that literalism is the cancer that is destroying religion

>>2326283
Nah, that's level 1: Brain-dead atheist incapable of thinking for himself.

>>2326311

>pretends to be Christian
>judges others, something only God can do, making himself the very thing he accuses others of

Oh Ælian, you never cease to entertain me

>>2324991
My eyes are open thanks Anon.

>>2322685
no problem with religion as a whole when they use it as morals rather than actual belief.

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>>2322755
>don't care about your culture
>don't care about your ancestors
>don't care about your history
>don't care about your religion
>don't care about your ethnicity
>O..only retards think about that

t. terrified "new European"

>>2323726
Exactly, that's why we need walls and borders, otherwise we might end up like the american natives