Medieval Europe

>>2314003

what a dumb fucking question

what do you mean by 'medieval europe'

fucking when

uhh it probably wasn't strong when half of it was owned by angevins

uhh it probably was when they kicked the english out in the mid 1400s

fucking idiot

>>2314015
You could have worded this far more politely and far less autistically.

>>2314044

you could have asked a question that wasn't fucking dumb

>>2314003
Yes, it shouldn't really be a question.

>>2314044
He's right, medieval Europe is a fuck long period. There's a bigger time gap between Charles Martel and Richard III than between Richard III and Donald Trump.

>>2314059
Sorry, not the OP. I don't even disagree with your answer.

What's more important, when did the downfall of France begin? Surely it was long before the revolution?

>>2314084
What downfall? France is still one of the most influential nations in the world.

>>2314108
Bait

>>2314108
Are you from the 1700s? It is a nigger infested irrelevant shithole in 2017 lad.

>>2314084
France collapsed into a hundred year long civil war starting in 1356.

Then it rose again and became full blown European hegemon again by 1643. Which it remained until 1815.

>>2314110
>>2314123
He said "one of the".

Yes it's less relevant than the US now, but let's not get hysterical.

>>2314141
"One of the" is what exactly, top 20?

USA
Russia
China
Germany
UK
Brazil
Japan

All of those are more relevant than France.

>>2314180
Francophobia is an illness

>>2314003
>tfw france was rich in different regional identities that were mostly wiped out thanks to centralization while regional german identities were preserved thanks to HRE being decentralized
You can pull out meme arrows >H>R>E all you want, but you've got to admit that we have a more diverse Germany now, compared to France that tried to turn every corner of the kingdom into Paris

>>2314195
lol wut, Germany isn't nearly as diverse as France. It's basically just a big Prussia.

>>2314186
And francophilia is an outright retardation, considering France stopped being a global player within the first postwar decade. USA is the flat out top dog with China being close 2nd, Germany and Britain are the biggest powers in Europe financially, Russia has the largest landmass and the largest nuclear arsenal, Japan's ecpnomy and industrial output is double of that of France, literally what is France even relevant in? Croissants, terrorist attacks and bombing some niggers in Mali?

>>2314205
Bavaria is nothing like Holstein, Saxony is nothing like Rheinland
Also german cities are richer and look better because France absorbed all the wealth into Paris, almost every other french city looks like a village compared to the capital

>>2314205
I'm not even German and you are a complete and utter retard. Prussia pretty much stopped being a thing after WW2 when most of it was annexed by Poland and the USSR, and even during the imperial times Bavaria was nothing like Prussia.

>>2314205
I was referring to France erasing cultures such as occitan, burgundian, norman etc. Nowadays these regions are culturally not too different from Paris

>>2314214
>literally what is France even relevant in

Diplomacy and force projection. They have nukes and the ability to deploy troops around the planet with ease.

>>2314236
>diplomacy
Sorry Pierre, this isn't the 19th century. It's been more than 100 years since France ceased to be the language of diplomacy, and it would be on par with Turkish or Vietnamese if some bare assed niggers in Africa didn't speak French.

>>2314236
>they have nukes
So does North Korea, Pakistan, Israel, etc.

>>2314236
You're deluded poor sod, France isn't relevant diplomatically even in the EU, let alone outside the union.

>>2314260
U wot? They have most of West Africa tethered to them.
>inb4 niggers

>>2314236
Even Belgium is more relevant than France at this point

>>2314250

North Korea, Pakistan and Israel have little to no power projection capability.

>>2314214
France has the world's second or third military in force projection, it's one of five countries with nukes and global reach and permanent members of the UN Security Council, it has territories all across the globe and the largest expanse of territorial waters of any nation, it runs half of Africa as a crypto-colonial empire, it's among the world's five largest economies, it's home to more industry leading companies than any country but the US, it's hugely relevant in scientific research... I could go on.

Now explain how Brazil is more relevant than France you butthurt memester.

>>2314283
>>2314276
>>2314236
>muh force projection
>sending the military to bomb some mudhuts in the middle of an African jungle makes us relevant
Stop

>>2314218
All those regions are far more similar than Provence is to Brittany or Gascogne to Artois. I'm guessing you've never been to either country.

>>2314232
>hurrrr

>>2314234
Still more different than German regions are from each other.

>>2314290

Makes France more relevant than militaries that couldn't bomb mudhuts in the middle of an African jungle if they wanted to

>>2314292
>hurrr
I'll let you know that's not an argument.

>>2314290
Yes, the ability to project military force on any point of the globe is a major element of political power. One that Brazil for example doesn't have.

Explain how Brazil is more relevant than France.

>>2314294
That's the point, nobody wants to bomb mud huts in Africa because it's absolutely pointless. Not even Americans give a shit and they're the ones usually rushing to fight 3rd worlders.

>>2314296
I'm glad you have the elementary school tier knowledge that the kingdom of Prussia doesn't exist anymore, maybe when you reach high school you'll learn about how that's because Prussia effectively conquered everything that is now known as Germany.

>>2314129

This. Op>>2314003


Technically speaking France only had its hey days in the early to mid middle ages.

Since the time after the "100years" war is considered the beginning of the renaissance which was their height of power in the past 500 years or so. Although France did come out with some great perks at the end of the 100 year war, it lost a lot of power in the italian/renaissance wars.

As >>2314129 mentions. France didn't gain power again until 1643, this of course was during the Religious wars where arguably France comes out as the one most beneficial at the end. This of course launches France into a sort of peak of their power (also arguable) when King Louis was in power and established a absolute Monarchy as well as futhering colonization. We see the Palace of Versailles producted in this time demonstrating Frances extreme wealth. Of course most know that in the early 19th, the Napoleonic wars put France into a bit of a down turn. They picked back up throughout the 1800's though.

As to address your question though. The Frankish Kingdom in the early middle ages was Certainly one of the biggest of its time.

>>2314302

I thought the point being memed was "relevance", in which case a military that can do something is always more relevant than one that can't

>>2314302
>w-we're just irrelevant because we want to be!

That's great, glad we've settled that debate.

>>2314305
Well France was already powerful before 1643. In fact it remained the most powerful single country throughout most of the 15th and the entire 16th centuries. But it was in the shadow of the Habsburg empire which included a whole bunch of countries, almost the entire rest of Europe. Until 1643 that is.

>>2314292
Thing is, they were vastly different from the start - celtic and occitan, and they still adapted french culture, you could say France integrated them into their country
While german identities were from the same family from the beginning, but they preserved their difference, german centralization wasn't nearly as harsh as french
So the difference between a bavarian and a branderburgian is bigger than between a parisian and a burgundian

>>2314290
Could you go back to /pol/ please ?
>>2314302
Are you unaware of natural ressources ? why are you here ? you are unable to understand simple long term strategy...

>>2314304
Half of what used to be Prussia is now a part of Poland, Lithuania and Russia.

>Eastern Germany: poor, ex-communist, nationalist/socialist and introverted mentality, historically protestant or atheist
>Bavaria: rich as fuck, capitalist, traditional conservative, historically catholic, jovial and happy mentality, completely different cuisine, dialects and culture than Eastern Germany

Are you saying fucking France of all countries is more diverse than that? Thanks to your centuries of retarded centralization and forced assimilation you don't even really have dialects anymore.

>>2314322
Sure, France was quite a bit more diverse from the start. I was taking issue with the statement that Germany today is more diverse than France, which it isn't, even if that's mostly because it never was in the first place.

>>2314329
>everyone who doesn't like France belongs on /pol/
You go back to le reddit, faggot.

>>2314180

Lol Brazil is a bigger shit hole than France.

I even Love Brazil, but even thiugh Paris is garbage, Brazil is quite literally a hole in South America where the Europeans that conquered this place took a shit.

Yeah it has its beautiful parts. But as far as the corruption, the cities, and water systems, and lets not forget the Rio de Janeiro's Ghettos. France certainly is way better off. Not to mention the Olympics almost got fucking cancelled here because of how shitty it is.

>>2314349
We are talking about relevance, not development and living standards, dumbass. Russia is also a shithole but still far more relevant than France.

>>2314334
Wow really, your idea of deep historical cultural diversity is that one half got occupied by Russians in the 20th century?

Meanwhile France has Bretons, Occitans, Basques, Catalans, Corsicans, Provencals, Franco-Provencals, Burgundians, Alsatians, Flems...

>retarded centralization
That "retarded centralisation" is the reason France was a powerful nation that profoundly shaped Western history instead of a weak irrelevant piece of shit that eventually chimps out and destroys Europe.

>>2314317

Most powerful "single." I wouldn't say that.

I definitely agree that Habsburg empire was ruling on top and because they weren't a united nation and rather just a Monarchy under the same roof, that France was stronger than most of the Habsburg controlled ones. But with all the Gold and trade from America flowing into Spain, which I know was Habsburg controlled for a while, I disagree, Spain had a stronger Power once it centralized. Yeah it didn't have a standing army for a while like France did, but like I stated before Frances involvement with the Italian wars kinda held them back.

>>2314344
Not him but if you have any appreciation or knowledge of history you can't help but appreciate France.

Obese American neckbeards with edgy Nazi flags hanging in their basements who think they have to hate France to honour their 14/88th German heritage belong on /pol/.

>>2314343
Some provinces in north Brittany and South of France speaking their own language isn't a big deal, these languages aren't prestigious, they will vanish in this century for sure. And then there will be no difference between Paris and Arles
Administrative structure of France already doesn't give a shit about historical regions, it's clear that there is little interest to preserve them

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>>2314366
France is the most important country in EU after Germany, what makes Brazil revelant? Banana plantations and fucking 2016 Summer Olympics?

>>2314373
>profoundly shaped Western history
Yeah through things like the Enlightement and French revolution, branging about which is on par with bragging about being a pedophile.

> Bretons, Occitans, Basques, Catalans, Corsicans, Provencals, Franco-Provencals, Burgundians, Alsatians
All of them pretty much thoroughly assimilated. French Basques can't even speak Basque unlike Spanish ones.

>>2314386
And Germany doesn't have any regional languages in the first place.

>>2314392
>France is the most important country in EU after Germany
That's like saying "Canada is the most important country in North America after USA". I mean technically it's true but it doesn't really mean much.

>>2314393
>Enlightement and French revolution

And just about every other political, social, cultural, intellectual, or artistic movement in Western history. If you hate everything that came from France you just hate everything.

>>2314366

Why is Brazil relevant? More relevant than France.

I don't care but assuming you're >>2314123 by the tone of your voice, I'm guessing you gona spit some uneducated sounding bullshit.

But 4chan gives us that freedom to express our bullshit, so do proceed with being a cancer to this board.

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I hope that frog shithole drowns in their Arab shit for destroying my country.

>>2314402
France and Germany are the two core countries of the EU, nothing can happen without both of their approval, and if both agree on something it happens.

The fact that France has essentially not had a government for the past five years is more of a temporary issue.

>>2314412
Austria-Hungary destroyed itself.

>>2314399
They are still more diverse within one language group, there's no way a german from Ostrfriesland could understand bayrisch without mastering the dialect, don't get me started on all swiss dialects
Meanwhile France is very close to becoming Paris: the country

>>2314412
>AEIOU
>literally boasting about imminent world domination in your motto

Come on you were cartoon villain tier, someone had to put a stop to it.

>>2314422
>people can't understand each other within their own country

Wait how is this a good thing?

>>2314429
>having regional cultures is a bad thing
Not surprising coming from a frog who wants even the most distant village to speak with faggy parisian accent

>>2314421
>destroyed itself
>frog-handpicked Entente-appointed lackeys who would be marginal otherwise get to create their ethnic microstates while pro-monarchy parties aren't even allowed to negotiate
>all to dismantle the empire and create a bunch of shitty buffer states at the eastern border of Germany
The audacity of you niggers to try to reinvent history baffles me every time.

>>2314425
>degenerate hellhole born out of regicide
>calling anyone a cartoon villain

>>2314444
You have issues m8.

>>2314451
>France didn't exist before 1792

>>2314457
>FUCK THE KING, FUCK THE ARISTOCRACY, FUCK TRADITIONS, FUCK THE STATE, FUCK GOD, FUCK MY PARENTS AND FUCK THE CALENDAR, WE'RE STARTING ANEW!
>b-but we're still the same country tho
Whatever glory France once had got flushed down the shitter during the revolution.

>>2314463
>what is the Empire and the synthesis of old and new

Maybe you shouldn't have stopped following the news in the 1790s.

>>2314467
>synthesis of old and new
Literal backpedalling after the French realized how badly they fucked up.

>>2314180
France is 2nd biggest weapon exporter, 3rd biggest nuclear power

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>>2314412

>>2314003
>European Medieval Kingdoms.
>Stronkest.
None of them were.

They can't seem to fucking conquer their fucking neighbors.

If they had an Asian tier propensity for warfare, Europe wouldve been under one Empire shortly after the Roman one.

>>2314481
Russia always wins in the end baby

>>2314003
France was certainly the biggest with the largest population(one of the most populous states on the planet)but it rarely amounted to much except that one time they invaded England(No not William's invasion), war of sicilian vespers, invasion of egypt(yes MEDIEVAL france did that they failed though because of disease) and defending themselves. The kingdoms that pulled their weight around if we start from 1066 are the spanish asturian states, poland, lithuania, england, the holy roman empire(for a while at least), aragon, maybe hungary, definitely sicily.
But you shouldn't look at the medieval world in terms of countries, they didn't exist per se. In terms of dynasties the royal dynasty of France(Capet) definitely had great achievements, going on to rule many realms through cadet branches like sicily and hungary.

>>2314180
France is the world's sixth economy, mate. More relevant than either Brazil or Russia.

>>2314373
You forgot the Normans.

>>2314734
Normans don't have much of a regional culture, they're basically identical to Paris or the Loire valley.

>>2314473
>how badly they fucked up
They didn't fuck up at all though

>>2314180
>UK
>Brazil
>More relevant than France

>>2314317
>most of the 15th and the entire 16th centuries.
Castille was more powerful than France after Izzy's reforms

>>2314382
>it didn't have a standing army for a while like France did
Castille was the first European country to create a standing army

>>2314751
>go full retard, kill the king and destroy your entire country
>midway into the destruction you realize it's fucking retarded
>desperately do a 180 and put another monarch on the throne, this time a cuckold manlet cosplaying as Caesar
>go berserk on the rest of Europe
>after initial successes you get BTFO
>spend the rest of the century in unstable state seeing headfucked mob burn down the country every decade or so
>get blown the fuck out by the Germans repeatedly
>go from being one of the original world powers to an irrelevant shithole full of camel fuckers and niggers within a century

Bravo France

>>2314711
France is not more relevant than Russia in world affairs, GDP driven by consumer goods means nothing in geopolitics.

>>2315738

>I know nothing about the French Revolution

You've outed yourself as a retard.

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>>2315738
>mfw 19th century racialists already considered France to be a mongrelized shithole, except for racially pure Britanny. This back in the 1800s, imagine what they would say about modern France

>>2314180
>UK
LMFAO'ing my fucking ass off. Their military is a joke, they have to beg the French to ask Americans to let them join in on their operations

https://soundcloud.com/nwejfnwef-uhiweufiwo/anon-speaks-french

>this thread

>>2316610
Russia is only relevant because it keeps swinging its dick around. The difference is one of political will, France has the capacity to do everything Russia does and more.

>>2316639
19th century racialism was invented by (retarded) French people.

And Brittany is the swarthiest least white part of France, as well as being well known subhumans.

>>2315738
That's what happens when you turn from God.

>>2316681
It really doesn't though just compare the military statistics, France can't afford a military buildup to match russia with an entire soviet history of militarism while much of france's economy stems from economic acces that russia simply doesn't have, that would wither away with military buildup. And again consumer gdp means barely anything when it comes to warfare. Russia also has much more natural resources, france does not. Adding to that Russia's current economy is only weakened because sanctions and would rebound if they are lifted. France has nothing on Russia.

>>2316707
Russia's military budget only recently surpassed France's and not by much. France has better force projection and technologically superior equipment, there's a reason the Russians needed those French ships. And Russian GDP was always smaller than France's, it has nothing to do with sanctions.

In military power, the question of which of the two is the strongest might be debatable. In every other domain it's not.

>>2314084
>Surely it was long before the revolution?


The revolution is what killed France

>>2314290
>>sending the military to bomb some mudhuts in the middle of an African jungle makes us relevant


Forgot to mention that the so called country possess Uranium, Nickel, Zinc, and so on

France as an Empire is still doing well contrary to Britain or Germany.

>>2314234
>cultures
>occitan, burgundian, norman

These are French patois you dumb fuck
>Germany and Britain are the biggest powers

Literally decaying country, that nobody respect who both lose their Colonial Empire


>>2314123
> It is a nigger infested


You're confusing France with Britain, Norway, and Germany


France is infested with North Africans.

>>2316965
>France is infested with North Africans.
No, it's full of niggers. The North Africans aren't too much different from the native French anyway.

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>>2317035
Nope

If you're Gayrman you should shut up cause you've taken more than 3 millions negroes in just two year and with no eye in sight, imo you'll be a minority around 2020


If by you're British you should shut up even more cause you're the only Europeans WITH ANCESTRAL NIGGER DNA(see A haplohroup in Britain) and your whole country is literally filled with niggers who far outnumber the pakis.


If you're a Nord, let' me remind you that Norway is 20% somalian and nearly 80% of the newborns are Somali


If you're Italians let me remind you that you literally colonize you own country with negroes and sandniggers since the early 90'

>>2316965
>occitan is a French patois

It''s its own language desu, brah.

what did this thread delvove into? why do autists come out of the woodwork anytime France is mentionned?

France isn't as weak as some here make it out to be. It has considerable influence in Africa and in the cultural sphere (yes, NOW, not a hundred years ago). People who don't frequent /co/ aren't aware the France has an animation industry and uses the same soft power strategy as Japan via anime to remain in public consciousness. It may seem like a little thing and perhaps it is, but watching Wakfu is a distinctly French experience.

France basically has the same problem like the rest of western Europe. It is sick with the disease of liberalism. It is a chain around her neck.

>>2317935
>It has considerable influence in Africa and in the cultural sphere
This will be lost if France elects Le Pen and takes a nationalist turn

>>2314412
this tdh