What was the biggest JUST of history? I think the French Revolution.

>>2304497
>Stagnating nation
>After revolution managed to spread ideals of the revolution all around
>Fuck up 6 coalitions of Europan majors

Nah the revolution was pretty based.

>>2304497
Even with Napoleon france still degenerated into the third republic and the rest is a very sad story.

They havn't improved themselves since Nap III.

>>2304507
>start a revolution to get rid of the monarchy
>end up with yet another monarch in charge
The single biggest historical fuckup

>>2304533
#notallmonarchs

>>2304497
More like the French Republic JUST the whole Europe. Now Europe has republics and crowned republics. The First Republic may have fallen, but Republicanism had and still is searing the world

>>2304533
>Napoleon was the same as the Ancien Regime

Napoleon's legacy is the prime example of history being written by the victors. He put an end to the horrors of the Terror, and didn't just bring France back on track, but also made it the dominant power on the continent despite it being ravaged by internal turmoil for years.

Plus, the people wanted him in charge. He won the plebiscite by an overwhelming margin.

>>2304555
He was still a monarch. A very good one but nevertheless a monarch.

>>2304561
What's your point? The revolution wasn't all big republican movement. A lot of the problems were with the monarch and not the monarchy as an establishment.

>>2304571
>wasn't all big republican movement
It more or less was. Anyway Napoleon proves that monarchy is still the superior model.

>>2304533
>start a revolution to get rid of the monarchy

Not at all, the initial goal of the revolution was to get rid of absolutism
Has Louis XVI not gione full retard, he'd have survived and probably kept his throne too

Also, Napoleon's reign was very different from the old monarchy
He kept many revolutionary ideals such as meritocracy and equality under the law, and pushed the destruction of feudalism further

>>2304634
Louis XVI was a weak, compromising cuckold, much like Nicholas II.

>>2304497
I think a very big "JUST" could include some of the world's military fuck ups as well.

Mongol Conquest of the Song Dynasty

>>2304576
If it were why would the military and urban populace support Bonaparte during his coup and subsequent elevation to monarch?

>>2304576
Wrong on both counts.

People didn't really care what the guy in charge was called. King, Emperor, Director, President, it made no difference to them.

What the people cared about was good living conditions where they're not exploited by the aristocracy and sent off to die in wars they deem pointless.

Napoleon's success is proof that everyone values meritocracy and pragmatism, nothing more.

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Fourth Crusade

How is this even a question?

>>2304497
Being a Taino in the 1490s.

>>2304533
>start a revolution to get rid of the monarchy
??
No. They wanted to kept it, but felt betrayed by the king when he tried to run away.

>>2304771

Nice meme.

Unfortunately untenable though when historical reality bitchslap you in the facewith the fact that the general conditions of the population were better pre-1789 than post-1815.

Only that this time the ooppresors were not the ancien regime aristocracy but the modern burgeoisie that had made the Revolution to enable a new order in their benefit. The sans-culotte didn't make the Revolution. It fought and died for it, like a dumb tool. But the masters were the Burgeois.

>>2304497
Treaty of Versailles.

>>2305044
Germany got away with what they did pretty lightly
Meanwhile, A-H and the Ottoman Empire literally ceased to exist

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The fall of Burgundy.